Anyone else struggling to lose ANY weight on Keto?

Dogmom1978

lemurcat2 wrote: »

Chef_Barbell wrote: »

kshama2001 wrote: »

Jthanmyfitnesspal wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

You seem to be trying to answer the question "What matters to overall physical and mental health," while everyone else is answering the question of "what matters for weight management?"

I agree. Perhaps I'm answering the better question.

I agree that you are answering the better question.

I'm reminded of patients on "My 600 Pound Life" who have no problems with adherence in hospital settings (excluding the ones whose family members sneak in food) yet struggle when they are back at home where highly palatable and caloric food is freely available.

The less holistic question of "What matters for weight management?" is more relevant in a setting where food is controlled, and since that is presumably not the case for any of us with internet access, a better question is indeed "What matters to overall physical and mental health?"

There's a Buddhist story along the lines of how it's easier to stay on your chosen path when you are living in a cave with minimal distractions versus living in the outside world.

But OP didn't ask for that. 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Agreed. Again, it's analogous to the following:

Me: I'm eating 1300 + exercise cals and not losing, even though that should be at least 1 lb a week. What am I doing wrong?

Poster: Well, you really need to get proper nutrition.

Me: Actually, I do get proper nutrition, not sure why you assumed otherwise, just because I am trying to lose weight? And isn't nutrition not actually going to make a difference as to whether I lose or not if my calorie goal and estimate are correct?

Poster: Oh, okay. Well, the thing is you need to exercise.

Me: As I said, I am exercising and eating back exercise cals, but again, aren't cals what are going to determine if I lose or not? I find exercise important to how I feel overall, but I definitely have friends who lost without exercising at all, how do you explain that?

Poster: Okay, then. Clearly the problem is that your mental health is not on point. Perhaps you should work on your relationships.

Me: Muttering incoherently at my irritation at the presumptuousness and, IMO, rudeness, of that response, especially when I did not bring up anything about my relationships.

Poster: I see you don't like that answer, so it's clearly the problem, but also you really need to have a purpose.

Me: I actually agree purpose is important to extended motivation and being able to keep up with what I need to do going forward and it's something I've worked on (again, thanks for making assumptions!), but the problem is I'm sticking to my diet and exercise plan and it does not seem to be working.

I would hope that that demonstrates that substituting some different question -- that makes a bunch of unfounded assumptions in a vacuum -- is clearly NOT a better question (or answer) than one directed at what a poster actually asks. At least not until more is revealed and there is a reason to assume some of these other things are the problem (and frankly they don't explain why someone who thinks they are consistently eating at a deficitwould not be losing). OP did not suggest that he had relationship problems or a lack of purpose or a nutritionally deficit diet, he instead initially indicated that he thought one would automatically lose eating keto (and subsequently added that he had been told to do keto without counting cals).

^^^

Just to add to the above, then the OP got bent out of shape when people mentioned counting calories and STILL never actually said whether or not they have EVER consistently tried that method....

kshama2001

Chef_Barbell wrote: »

kshama2001 wrote: »

Jthanmyfitnesspal wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

You seem to be trying to answer the question "What matters to overall physical and mental health," while everyone else is answering the question of "what matters for weight management?"

I agree. Perhaps I'm answering the better question.

I agree that you are answering the better question.

I'm reminded of patients on "My 600 Pound Life" who have no problems with adherence in hospital settings (excluding the ones whose family members sneak in food) yet struggle when they are back at home where highly palatable and caloric food is freely available.

The less holistic question of "What matters for weight management?" is more relevant in a setting where food is controlled, and since that is presumably not the case for any of us with internet access, a better question is indeed "What matters to overall physical and mental health?"

There's a Buddhist story along the lines of how it's easier to stay on your chosen path when you are living in a cave with minimal distractions versus living in the outside world.

But OP didn't ask for that. 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

bubus05 was the only person on page 1 that did answer the OP's question. We regulars OFTEN answer a different question than the one that was asked.

In this case, the questions were "Anyone else struggling to lose ANY weight on Keto?" and "Seems a bit strange to have NO loss at all - am I alone in this?"

But the vast majority of responses were questions were about calorie counting and so answering the unasked question "Why am I not losing weight?"

Dogmom1978

kshama2001 wrote: »

Chef_Barbell wrote: »

kshama2001 wrote: »

Jthanmyfitnesspal wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

You seem to be trying to answer the question "What matters to overall physical and mental health," while everyone else is answering the question of "what matters for weight management?"

I agree. Perhaps I'm answering the better question.

I agree that you are answering the better question.

I'm reminded of patients on "My 600 Pound Life" who have no problems with adherence in hospital settings (excluding the ones whose family members sneak in food) yet struggle when they are back at home where highly palatable and caloric food is freely available.

The less holistic question of "What matters for weight management?" is more relevant in a setting where food is controlled, and since that is presumably not the case for any of us with internet access, a better question is indeed "What matters to overall physical and mental health?"

There's a Buddhist story along the lines of how it's easier to stay on your chosen path when you are living in a cave with minimal distractions versus living in the outside world.

But OP didn't ask for that. 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

bubus05 was the only person on page 1 that did answer the OP's question. We regulars OFTEN answer a different question than the one that was asked.

In this case, the questions were "Anyone else struggling to lose ANY weight on Keto?" and "Seems a bit strange to have NO loss at all - am I alone in this?"

But the vast majority of responses were questions were about calorie counting and so answering the unasked question "Why am I not losing weight?"

Well, the regulars (probably rightly) assume that OP isn’t losing weight because they aren’t eating in a deficit. As I said earlier, keto isn’t magic; it works the same as any other diet and if you are doing keto but NOT eating in a deficit, of course you won’t lose weight.

lemurcat2

kshama2001 wrote: »

Chef_Barbell wrote: »

kshama2001 wrote: »

Jthanmyfitnesspal wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

You seem to be trying to answer the question "What matters to overall physical and mental health," while everyone else is answering the question of "what matters for weight management?"

I agree. Perhaps I'm answering the better question.

I agree that you are answering the better question.

I'm reminded of patients on "My 600 Pound Life" who have no problems with adherence in hospital settings (excluding the ones whose family members sneak in food) yet struggle when they are back at home where highly palatable and caloric food is freely available.

The less holistic question of "What matters for weight management?" is more relevant in a setting where food is controlled, and since that is presumably not the case for any of us with internet access, a better question is indeed "What matters to overall physical and mental health?"

There's a Buddhist story along the lines of how it's easier to stay on your chosen path when you are living in a cave with minimal distractions versus living in the outside world.

But OP didn't ask for that. 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

bubus05 was the only person on page 1 that did answer the OP's question. We regulars OFTEN answer a different question than the one that was asked.

In this case, the questions were "Anyone else struggling to lose ANY weight on Keto?" and "Seems a bit strange to have NO loss at all - am I alone in this?"

But the vast majority of responses were questions were about calorie counting and so answering the unasked question "Why am I not losing weight?"

The key question was -- as you note -- whether OP was alone in not losing on keto. (I think that in fact does make it, quite clearly, a "why am I not losing weight" question.)

Wrt his question, he was not alone, because keto isn't sufficient unless it creates a calorie deficit. Many of us mentioned that many on keto here do count calories (and linked him to the low carb thread). Also, some of those responses were after OP said he had been told not to count cals on keto.

But again, my problem with the revised question (especially the claim that it is inherently a better question than the one OP asked or others tried to answer) is it makes a lot of bizarre assumptions when someone just asks a simple question about why they are not losing despite doing something they think will lead to loss. Just because someone asks about weight loss doesn't mean they are ignorant about nutrition or need help fixing relationships.