Frank Lanz Reveals Struggle to Maintain Weight-loss
Psychgrrl
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“I can’t be this miserable.”
I don’t think any of us would say losing weight (he lost 60 pounds) was super easy-peasy, and keeping it off can be a challenge, but there are so many people here who have done just that.
Personally, I don’t know much about him (just what I read in the article). But he had a stroke. He lost the weight for his health. If he were to post here, what advice would you give him?
https://apple.news/A-BdXJBSHTCiTvkVr6CpRgg
I don’t think any of us would say losing weight (he lost 60 pounds) was super easy-peasy, and keeping it off can be a challenge, but there are so many people here who have done just that.
Personally, I don’t know much about him (just what I read in the article). But he had a stroke. He lost the weight for his health. If he were to post here, what advice would you give him?
https://apple.news/A-BdXJBSHTCiTvkVr6CpRgg
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It sounds like he made a lot of changes all at once. That can make it hard to determine what's really working and what is just noise that you can eliminate if it doesn't work for you.
For example: "Luntz cut out diet sodas, drinking only water, and eliminated cookies, cakes, ice cream and any other sweets."
Well, you can have diet soda if it makes your life happier. Same with cookies, cakes, ice cream, and sweets -- you just have to pay attention to the quantities.
"Luntz also tried intermittent fasting, eating during a narrower time window during the day . . . "
This does help some people control their appetite, but many of us do feel hungrier if we aren't eating regularly throughout the day. Again, no reason to be hungry all the time doing IF. If it isn't helping, ditch it!
"But as he began traveling more last fall, Luntz departed the West Coast and left behind his chef and dietitian. Travel made dieting absolutely impossible . . . "
This is one of the issues with having your weight be dependent on a particular system, product, or employee . . . when they're not available, you can be at a loss of how to proceed. To me, the most reliable plan is one that you can implement in multiple circumstances. I personally prefer to prepare most of my own food at home. But when I travel, I have strategies to stay within my calorie goals. The best weight management system is one that you can personally adapt for various circumstances, whatever that looks like for you.
It sounds like he used his resources to create a good system for LOSING weight, but there wasn't much thought put into what that would look like when things changed or whether he'd be able to do it long term. Even though his particular resource set is beyond most of us, it's not that much different from what many of us have done in the past. When I was doing Slimfast in my 20s or raw "cleanses" in my 30s, I was doing the same short-term thinking and -- like him -- I always reached a breaking point of "I can't do this anymore, I'm too hungry."
You can't rely on iron will to maintain. 99% of people are just going to break.7 -
I went through it pretty fast, but I didn't see any mention of activity or exercise. I personally have a hard time maintaining my weight when I'm not exercising regularly and/or being relatively active...I always have a hard time in the winter for this reason and usually put on about 10 Lbs...not to mean punishing workouts that ultimately grind you down either...just moving your body everyday. When I'm moving regularly (and I don't really do anything outlandish) maintenance is pretty easy.
As an aside, I found this maintenance meal plan...I guess kind of bizarre:Young, who is not treating Luntz, was concerned about his one-meal-a-day routine: “You don't have to eat the second you wake up if you're not a breakfast person, but you don't want to let hours and hours go by… You’re starving and then when you eat that one meal, you don't even know when to stop,” she said.
Her menu suggestions for weight maintenance included:
Breakfast: A hard-boiled egg and a slice of whole wheat toast with some avocado.
Lunch: Salad with grilled chicken, with 1-2 tablespoons of olive oil-based dressing, plus some quinoa or beans.
Afternoon snack: Apple with peanut butter.
Dinner: Grilled salmon with sautéed vegetables and a healthy starch such as brown rice, wild rice or a baked sweet potato.
For me, this kind of menu would be an aggressive weight loss menu plan, not a maintenance plan...I'm not sure on what planet an adult male would maintain on that unless the lunch and dinner portion sizes were just huge. I'd absolutely be starving on that...it seems like you'd really have to load up the portions to even hit 1500 calories.
My overall takeaway from the article is that his approach in general to losing weight and then also trying to maintain that loss was aggressive (on numerous fronts) and highly restrictive. That is going to break down pretty much anyone mentally.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »I went through it pretty fast, but I didn't see any mention of activity or exercise. I personally have a hard time maintaining my weight when I'm not exercising regularly and/or being relatively active...I always have a hard time in the winter for this reason and usually put on about 10 Lbs...not to mean punishing workouts that ultimately grind you down either...just moving your body everyday. When I'm moving regularly (and I don't really do anything outlandish) maintenance is pretty easy.
As an aside, I found this maintenance meal plan...I guess kind of bizarre:Young, who is not treating Luntz, was concerned about his one-meal-a-day routine: “You don't have to eat the second you wake up if you're not a breakfast person, but you don't want to let hours and hours go by… You’re starving and then when you eat that one meal, you don't even know when to stop,” she said.
Her menu suggestions for weight maintenance included:
Breakfast: A hard-boiled egg and a slice of whole wheat toast with some avocado.
Lunch: Salad with grilled chicken, with 1-2 tablespoons of olive oil-based dressing, plus some quinoa or beans.
Afternoon snack: Apple with peanut butter.
Dinner: Grilled salmon with sautéed vegetables and a healthy starch such as brown rice, wild rice or a baked sweet potato.
For me, this kind of menu would be an aggressive weight loss menu plan, not a maintenance plan...I'm not sure on what planet an adult male would maintain on that unless the lunch and dinner portion sizes were just huge. I'd absolutely be starving on that...it seems like you'd really have to load up the portions to even hit 1500 calories.
My overall takeaway from the article is that his approach in general to losing weight and then also trying to maintain that loss was aggressive (on numerous fronts) and highly restrictive. That is going to break down pretty much anyone mentally.
I see plans like the one above and sometimes I think they're made with the assumption that compliance will be poor, so you have to have low calorie days to balance that out. I'd personally rather create a plan that gives me more room for routine daily pleasures, not one where I'm swinging between under-eating and (relative) over-eating.
I'm not saying that people can't genuinely enjoy eating this way, but this plan does seem really aggressive for maintenance.6 -
I think he just needs to eat more protein and complex carbs and good fats. I was on Keto after I had my heart attack in 2009...my HDL went up, I was never hungry. I lost weight and didn't think I needed to, but felt GRRREAT!! I succumbed to carbs two years after being on Keto...and now I am on a Low Carb High Fat way of eating. I am a sugarholic. I am off processed sugar now for 37 days..and have no cravings. By the way, I am what one may call "skinny fat"...never had to lose much...but it did get out of hand when I was overloading on pastries, candies, and such. I am battling the visceral fat around my organs...and doing a really good job of late. If he is limiting calories...and is still hungry, I would recommend (IMHO)...more protein and good fats!! MFP has grrreat education on Macro Tracking (short for ratio of carbs, protein, and fats we eat). My brother-in-law eats once a day, and he is maintaining his weight...and he is not hungry. There is something we are not reading in the article, that he is doing that keeps him hungry. I would not want to go back to his former way of eating and not care to gain the 60 lbs back...Wow...that is inviting health problems...and he already had the stroke. I would NEVER want another Heart Attack!!! Thanks for posing the question @psychgrrl...Deb3
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janejellyroll wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I went through it pretty fast, but I didn't see any mention of activity or exercise. I personally have a hard time maintaining my weight when I'm not exercising regularly and/or being relatively active...I always have a hard time in the winter for this reason and usually put on about 10 Lbs...not to mean punishing workouts that ultimately grind you down either...just moving your body everyday. When I'm moving regularly (and I don't really do anything outlandish) maintenance is pretty easy.
As an aside, I found this maintenance meal plan...I guess kind of bizarre:Young, who is not treating Luntz, was concerned about his one-meal-a-day routine: “You don't have to eat the second you wake up if you're not a breakfast person, but you don't want to let hours and hours go by… You’re starving and then when you eat that one meal, you don't even know when to stop,” she said.
Her menu suggestions for weight maintenance included:
Breakfast: A hard-boiled egg and a slice of whole wheat toast with some avocado.
Lunch: Salad with grilled chicken, with 1-2 tablespoons of olive oil-based dressing, plus some quinoa or beans.
Afternoon snack: Apple with peanut butter.
Dinner: Grilled salmon with sautéed vegetables and a healthy starch such as brown rice, wild rice or a baked sweet potato.
For me, this kind of menu would be an aggressive weight loss menu plan, not a maintenance plan...I'm not sure on what planet an adult male would maintain on that unless the lunch and dinner portion sizes were just huge. I'd absolutely be starving on that...it seems like you'd really have to load up the portions to even hit 1500 calories.
My overall takeaway from the article is that his approach in general to losing weight and then also trying to maintain that loss was aggressive (on numerous fronts) and highly restrictive. That is going to break down pretty much anyone mentally.
I see plans like the one above and sometimes I think they're made with the assumption that compliance will be poor, so you have to have low calorie days to balance that out. I'd personally rather create a plan that gives me more room for routine daily pleasures, not one where I'm swinging between under-eating and (relative) over-eating.
I'm not saying that people can't genuinely enjoy eating this way, but this plan does seem really aggressive for maintenance.
Could be. If someone handed that to me though, and I didn't already have the knowledge I do, I'd probably cry...and then say *kitten* it.1 -
Do I have to say what I'd type if he were here? Because really, I'm semi-secretly not a very nice person, and a story like this taxes my patience.
He dropped 60 pounds in 6-7 months, which is pretty fast as an average rate, and started at 238 pounds at 5'9", BMI 35.1. He did have health reasons to go fast at first, but I don't think he probably really needed to go that fast for that long, to achieve what was needed for health reasons. Around here, we'd probably tell him not to do that, rather to slow down as loss proceeded. One of many bad things that can happen from fast loss is hormonally-based snap-back hunger sometime in the early stages of maintenance. At 170, BMI 25.1 (still overweight, but his "ideal weight"), or maybe at his regain to 190 (BMI 28.1), he's hungry. Surprise!
If the article is to be believed, he tried pretty much every faddy tricksy thing, to achieve the weight loss. Around here, we'd probably tell him that all that faddy stuff is non-essential for most people, and that it would be a good idea to find a sustainable routine that can keep him reasonably full and reasonably happy long term, that the fad-stuff is good if it's helpful and sustainable for you, otherwise pointless. One of many bad things that can happen when people don't experiment, find, then groove in sustainable habits during weight loss is that they crash and burn in maintenance. Now he's crashing and burning in maintenance. Surprise!
He's a well-off guy, evidently, so he hired a chef and dietitian to hold his hand. Sweet. Cynically, I'm wondering if they built some job security into the situation: Clearly, he needs them in his life, or he can't maintain (who knows, maybe can't *with* them in his life). He essentially learned nothing, perhaps in part because he hired people to do it for him. His new routine doesn't make him happy, so it's hard to stick to. Surprise!
This may be unfair, but looking at his "after" photo, he still looks a bit on the doughy side, thinner but not especially fit. The article mentions 10K steps (another thing I'd argue is also faddy, in the sense of hyped beyond its universal necessity, but it does help many people to get more NEAT in their day). He doesn't mention trainers or workouts. The National Weight Control Registry analyses suggest that increased exercise helps people maintain a healthy weight after weight loss. He mentions finding scale drops "motivating". Any of us who've gotten through loss to reach maintenance know that we'd better have found an alternative motivation source(s) by then, or found a way to rely on something other than motivation (like practical, enjoyable - or at least tolerable - habits).
Because of the pandemic, he lost weight under unusual, constrained conditions, and it sounds like when he was back in usual conditions without the constraints he struggled. Again, that seems like a failure of foresight.
He may be a wealthy guy, but if he's running a public company somewhere, this story would give me pause about buying stock in it: Lack of foresight, poor planning for future conditions, no risk-management strategy, following fads, no indication of *personally* learning from others' experience (he hired surrogates), etc. As an aside, it's kind of ironic that a pollster dude doesn't seem to have paid any attention to the National Weight Control Registry, as far as anything the article implies.
If he were here, I'd tell him to get some exercise/fitness goals as a substitute for scale-weight motivation, expect a long period of difficult adaptation because of suboptimal approaches during weight loss, find a personally-satiating routine with good nutrition that's practical for him and his lifestyle (i.e., lose the fad attachment, think n=1). (In a real thread, I'd probably tag PsychoD for some science and tough love, but I won't tag him here to take his time with theoretical discussion.)
He seems to have gained weight in the first place by sheer sybaritic rich-boy self-indulgence in his 20s ("I ate whatever I wanted to eat, whenever I wanted to eat it. So if I wanted an ice cream cone, I had; if I wanted cake, I had it. If I wanted a second plate of spaghetti, why not? By the way, let me emphasize, I was happy."), and he let that baby-feline run until major health consequences arrived in his 50s. Now, he's decided he'd rather be fat and happy, vs. thinner and healthy. That's his choice. Choices: We pretty much all have some.
In the last analysis, I'd also want to tell him to stop whining, because it's pointless and self-indulgent, but I probably wouldn't because I do try to pretend to be a nice person 🙄, having found that to be more effective as a way to influence people. Why even bother typing, if not trying to do so in a way that people will consider the advice? 🤷♀️
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And that's why I keep typing and typing and typing and talking about reasonable deficits and changes over time and no timelines and figuring out what satiates you and what doesn't and what stuff you can keep doing forever and figuring out how you will eat and move 5 years down the road and only do things you are willing to do long term and don't try to lose too fast and be ready to make changes that makes things EASIER as opposed to giving up because you've made them TOO HARD.... and blah blah blah blah .....
oh yeah... I may occasionally mention dem damn hormone thingies too that Ann covers above... ya know... the usual **kitten** 8 -
Oof. He sounds like the classic all-or-none thinker and doer when it comes to weight loss. Apparently you can either eat whatever you want and be fat, yet happy, or frequently deny yourself and never eat the things you want and be thin, yet miserable. So, my first piece of advice would be to get rid of that mentality.
It sounds to me like he lost the weight basically by having other people do the work: cooking healthy meals and such, but not really learning what successful weight loss maintenance takes. He was clearly thinking short-term, and not the long-term plan.
It really all comes down to priorities,once you've got good tools for successful weight loss and maintenance down. Part of that means accepting that no, you can't just eat whatever you want endlessly, if that means overeating. However, it doesn't need to be painful, either. You can prioritize your health in choosing mostly nutritious foods and eating a little less. But if you really want a treat, you see where you can fit them in, and prioritize those things you love, vs. those treats you eat that are just kinda meh.4 -
Such great points! I just found this interesting ... someone with all these resources and access that most of us don't come close to having, and he wasn't able to find lasting success, and it seemed with all the qualified voices he could have listened to, that he still fell prey to so very many fads. I also see the same with Oprah and her struggle to lose weight and keep it off.
I found his struggling very humanizing and relatable (how many times have we seen someone post similar things here), but also concerning. I didn't check out the Twitter responses, but I can see his "giving up" being perceived as giving others permission to throw in the towel as well, thinking "if he can't do it with trainers and chefs and all this help and support, how can I?"
I'm also really proud of us (this community) and the strides we've made in achieving our health goals--the people who've lost using MFP and show up every day on these message boards and say the same things over and over again to help others trying to do the same thing.8 -
Do I have to say what I'd type if he were here? Because really, I'm semi-secretly not a very nice person, and a story like this taxes my patience.
He dropped 60 pounds in 6-7 months, which is pretty fast as an average rate, and started at 238 pounds at 5'9", BMI 35.1. He did have health reasons to go fast at first, but I don't think he probably really needed to go that fast for that long, to achieve what was needed for health reasons. Around here, we'd probably tell him not to do that, rather to slow down as loss proceeded. One of many bad things that can happen from fast loss is hormonally-based snap-back hunger sometime in the early stages of maintenance. At 170, BMI 25.1 (still overweight, but his "ideal weight"), or maybe at his regain to 190 (BMI 28.1), he's hungry. Surprise!
If the article is to be believed, he tried pretty much every faddy tricksy thing, to achieve the weight loss. Around here, we'd probably tell him that all that faddy stuff is non-essential for most people, and that it would be a good idea to find a sustainable routine that can keep him reasonably full and reasonably happy long term, that the fad-stuff is good if it's helpful and sustainable for you, otherwise pointless. One of many bad things that can happen when people don't experiment, find, then groove in sustainable habits during weight loss is that they crash and burn in maintenance. Now he's crashing and burning in maintenance. Surprise!
He's a well-off guy, evidently, so he hired a chef and dietitian to hold his hand. Sweet. Cynically, I'm wondering if they built some job security into the situation: Clearly, he needs them in his life, or he can't maintain (who knows, maybe can't *with* them in his life). He essentially learned nothing, perhaps in part because he hired people to do it for him. His new routine doesn't make him happy, so it's hard to stick to. Surprise!
This may be unfair, but looking at his "after" photo, he still looks a bit on the doughy side, thinner but not especially fit. The article mentions 10K steps (another thing I'd argue is also faddy, in the sense of hyped beyond its universal necessity, but it does help many people to get more NEAT in their day). He doesn't mention trainers or workouts. The National Weight Control Registry analyses suggest that increased exercise helps people maintain a healthy weight after weight loss. He mentions finding scale drops "motivating". Any of us who've gotten through loss to reach maintenance know that we'd better have found an alternative motivation source(s) by then, or found a way to rely on something other than motivation (like practical, enjoyable - or at least tolerable - habits).
Because of the pandemic, he lost weight under unusual, constrained conditions, and it sounds like when he was back in usual conditions without the constraints he struggled. Again, that seems like a failure of foresight.
He may be a wealthy guy, but if he's running a public company somewhere, this story would give me pause about buying stock in it: Lack of foresight, poor planning for future conditions, no risk-management strategy, following fads, no indication of *personally* learning from others' experience (he hired surrogates), etc. As an aside, it's kind of ironic that a pollster dude doesn't seem to have paid any attention to the National Weight Control Registry, as far as anything the article implies.
If he were here, I'd tell him to get some exercise/fitness goals as a substitute for scale-weight motivation, expect a long period of difficult adaptation because of suboptimal approaches during weight loss, find a personally-satiating routine with good nutrition that's practical for him and his lifestyle (i.e., lose the fad attachment, think n=1). (In a real thread, I'd probably tag PsychoD for some science and tough love, but I won't tag him here to take his time with theoretical discussion.)
He seems to have gained weight in the first place by sheer sybaritic rich-boy self-indulgence in his 20s ("I ate whatever I wanted to eat, whenever I wanted to eat it. So if I wanted an ice cream cone, I had; if I wanted cake, I had it. If I wanted a second plate of spaghetti, why not? By the way, let me emphasize, I was happy."), and he let that baby-feline run until major health consequences arrived in his 50s. Now, he's decided he'd rather be fat and happy, vs. thinner and healthy. That's his choice. Choices: We pretty much all have some.
In the last analysis, I'd also want to tell him to stop whining, because it's pointless and self-indulgent, but I probably wouldn't because I do try to pretend to be a nice person 🙄, having found that to be more effective as a way to influence people. Why even bother typing, if not trying to do so in a way that people will consider the advice? 🤷♀️
PsychoD for some science and tough love, but I won't tag him here to take his time with theoretical discussion.)
No need to Tag me Aunt Granny, I'm always stalking that Devilishly handsome young man @PAV8888
but I probably wouldn't because I do try to pretend to be a nice person
RIGHT....... Fact checker said, "thats a lie" You are one of the nicest people on here.
Truth is, I feel for Mr. Lanz. The hunger can be real. I think that Mr. Lanz is just below his settling range for his lifestyle, weight history, food history, and genetics. Honestly all the science is above me most days.(Starts singing, "All the science, I don't understand. It's just my job 5 days a week. Rocket Man!") Anyways, I like observational studies. When many people change their diet to a less refined, lower energy dense, higher protein, less rewarding diet, they lose weight without the natural compensatory responses we see in most weight loss. Why? Hmm... Not the place. Rapidity of weight loss? Well people who undergo weight loss surgery, lose weight rapidly, usually without the corresponding increase in hunger. They also have one of the highest rates of weight loss maintenance. Even they regain some weight, but still settle below their original weight, this with the ability to eat enough calories now to maintain that old weight. I think Mr. Lanz needs to take a dose of getting real. he might be able to maintain 200lbs, but this is far better than his old weight. IS it hunger or cravings? Most of us Western folks have no idea what TRUE hunger is. Anyways, JMHO.
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I would tell him that hiring a cook and dietician who gave him the measured out correct food was equivalent to hiring one person to write his term paper and another to take all his tests, then going out into the world and wondering why he didn’t get all the raises and promotions,
Just like he would need to go back and take the class again, read the book, participate in discussions, ask questions, do his own homework and take his own tests, he now needs to go back and learn what works for him. He needs to figure out which foods are satiating. He needs to figure out which of his favorite foods are worth the calories, and how often they are worth the calories(made me think of one wonderful slice of pecan pie every Christmas).
I would also advise he talk to his Dr. about it, in case he might change some meds that might help. I would suggest he google volume eating for ideas. I would suggest he carry healthy snacks. I would suggest that when he is traveling, he google restaurant menus with calories before going when possible. I would advise him to ignore advice from people like the dietician mentioned by cwolfman above, and do his own homework.
I would advise him that this is life, not a diet. Just like we all want the best house, the best car, the best toys we can get to make our life pleasant and fun, we should work for the best health we can get, so we can enjoy the house, the car, and the toys the most.
ETA I would also tell him never to go to bed so hungry that you can’t sleep.
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psychod787 wrote: »Do I have to say what I'd type if he were here? Because really, I'm semi-secretly not a very nice person, and a story like this taxes my patience.
He dropped 60 pounds in 6-7 months, which is pretty fast as an average rate, and started at 238 pounds at 5'9", BMI 35.1. He did have health reasons to go fast at first, but I don't think he probably really needed to go that fast for that long, to achieve what was needed for health reasons. Around here, we'd probably tell him not to do that, rather to slow down as loss proceeded. One of many bad things that can happen from fast loss is hormonally-based snap-back hunger sometime in the early stages of maintenance. At 170, BMI 25.1 (still overweight, but his "ideal weight"), or maybe at his regain to 190 (BMI 28.1), he's hungry. Surprise!
If the article is to be believed, he tried pretty much every faddy tricksy thing, to achieve the weight loss. Around here, we'd probably tell him that all that faddy stuff is non-essential for most people, and that it would be a good idea to find a sustainable routine that can keep him reasonably full and reasonably happy long term, that the fad-stuff is good if it's helpful and sustainable for you, otherwise pointless. One of many bad things that can happen when people don't experiment, find, then groove in sustainable habits during weight loss is that they crash and burn in maintenance. Now he's crashing and burning in maintenance. Surprise!
He's a well-off guy, evidently, so he hired a chef and dietitian to hold his hand. Sweet. Cynically, I'm wondering if they built some job security into the situation: Clearly, he needs them in his life, or he can't maintain (who knows, maybe can't *with* them in his life). He essentially learned nothing, perhaps in part because he hired people to do it for him. His new routine doesn't make him happy, so it's hard to stick to. Surprise!
This may be unfair, but looking at his "after" photo, he still looks a bit on the doughy side, thinner but not especially fit. The article mentions 10K steps (another thing I'd argue is also faddy, in the sense of hyped beyond its universal necessity, but it does help many people to get more NEAT in their day). He doesn't mention trainers or workouts. The National Weight Control Registry analyses suggest that increased exercise helps people maintain a healthy weight after weight loss. He mentions finding scale drops "motivating". Any of us who've gotten through loss to reach maintenance know that we'd better have found an alternative motivation source(s) by then, or found a way to rely on something other than motivation (like practical, enjoyable - or at least tolerable - habits).
Because of the pandemic, he lost weight under unusual, constrained conditions, and it sounds like when he was back in usual conditions without the constraints he struggled. Again, that seems like a failure of foresight.
He may be a wealthy guy, but if he's running a public company somewhere, this story would give me pause about buying stock in it: Lack of foresight, poor planning for future conditions, no risk-management strategy, following fads, no indication of *personally* learning from others' experience (he hired surrogates), etc. As an aside, it's kind of ironic that a pollster dude doesn't seem to have paid any attention to the National Weight Control Registry, as far as anything the article implies.
If he were here, I'd tell him to get some exercise/fitness goals as a substitute for scale-weight motivation, expect a long period of difficult adaptation because of suboptimal approaches during weight loss, find a personally-satiating routine with good nutrition that's practical for him and his lifestyle (i.e., lose the fad attachment, think n=1). (In a real thread, I'd probably tag PsychoD for some science and tough love, but I won't tag him here to take his time with theoretical discussion.)
He seems to have gained weight in the first place by sheer sybaritic rich-boy self-indulgence in his 20s ("I ate whatever I wanted to eat, whenever I wanted to eat it. So if I wanted an ice cream cone, I had; if I wanted cake, I had it. If I wanted a second plate of spaghetti, why not? By the way, let me emphasize, I was happy."), and he let that baby-feline run until major health consequences arrived in his 50s. Now, he's decided he'd rather be fat and happy, vs. thinner and healthy. That's his choice. Choices: We pretty much all have some.
In the last analysis, I'd also want to tell him to stop whining, because it's pointless and self-indulgent, but I probably wouldn't because I do try to pretend to be a nice person 🙄, having found that to be more effective as a way to influence people. Why even bother typing, if not trying to do so in a way that people will consider the advice? 🤷♀️
PsychoD for some science and tough love, but I won't tag him here to take his time with theoretical discussion.)
No need to Tag me Aunt Granny, I'm always stalking that Devilishly handsome young man @PAV8888
but I probably wouldn't because I do try to pretend to be a nice person
RIGHT....... Fact checker said, "thats a lie" You are one of the nicest people on here.
Truth is, I feel for Mr. Lanz. The hunger can be real. I think that Mr. Lanz is just below his settling range for his lifestyle, weight history, food history, and genetics. Honestly all the science is above me most days.(Starts singing, "All the science, I don't understand. It's just my job 5 days a week. Rocket Man!") Anyways, I like observational studies. When many people change their diet to a less refined, lower energy dense, higher protein, less rewarding diet, they lose weight without the natural compensatory responses we see in most weight loss. Why? Hmm... Not the place. Rapidity of weight loss? Well people who undergo weight loss surgery, lose weight rapidly, usually without the corresponding increase in hunger. They also have one of the highest rates of weight loss maintenance. Even they regain some weight, but still settle below their original weight, this with the ability to eat enough calories now to maintain that old weight. I think Mr. Lanz needs to take a dose of getting real. he might be able to maintain 200lbs, but this is far better than his old weight. IS it hunger or cravings? Most of us Western folks have no idea what TRUE hunger is. Anyways, JMHO.
I may get some disagrees but if this guy was my friend, I'd tell him to quit being a whiny little *kitten*. He had a huge wake up call suffering a stroke, lost the weight that was killing him and now says he's hungry. As @psychod787 says he doesn't know what hunger is. If he regains the weight, most likely he won't be as lucky when the next stroke comes around.
I'd tell him to get the counseling help he most likely needs.5 -
I'd tell him don't give up! Just try something different.3
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@psychod787 you and I could have really had a "thing" going and made us some awesome looking babies... if only one of us was an age appropriate young lady looking into making some!
You're looking good on #insta my friend! 
We could also tell the guy in question to drop by the Larger Loser sub-group.
It has a lot of good content that is quite relevant and I would invite a friend of mine from Florida to maybe drop by there and occasionally post some of the pearls of wisdom he has discovered these past few years!2
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