Our culture is set up for obesity.
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I think that's a great thing to remember!They teach their children to eat until they are "80% full" and then stop eating.
Guys, the whole thing about being sad that we drive places, it's because America is huge and not so densely populated as Europe. That's not all necessarily a bad thing.
And my neighborhood doesn't have sidewalks because it's old and there is no room but it doesn't stop anybody from walking. I've never seen a newer subdivision without sidewalks. I think that point is irrelevant.
Believe it or not, but walking in a dry, empty, isolated suburb without sidewalks, heading nowhere, and walking just to be "good" and "dutiful" is a whole lot less attractive and enticing than strolling in a vibrant city with a sense of place where you end up exercising when you don't even mean to!
Result?
Most people would rather not walk under such austere conditions.
A few with sheer will - WILL. Most won't.
Next argument.
Speak for yourself...
Nope. I speak for all the people who are NOT in the burbs out walking everywhere at any time of the day.
Usually you see one or two isolated joggers at 10 minutes intervals one after the other.
If most people found such walking to be a joy, suburbs would be pulsing with human energy everywhere.
What I see in the burbs is CARS.
Next.
You don't live in my suburb thank you... besides that fact, people in my area are in their yards working and playing all the freaking time... well, when it's not 100+ degrees... so keep it up... I would rather live in my car filled burb's than in close quarters with seemingly angry and self-righteous people always in a hurry... Besides, most "burbs" I have lived in have bikepaths, sidewalks, and "le gasp" busses... thus not always needing cars. I would rather have my trees and squirrels and composting and vegetable gardens and butterflies and closer to nature... but then, I'm fortunate to live in an area where the trees are older than the house and the lots are big.0 -
So, what are we supposed to do about it? Find another way or move. Sorry, not seeing the tragedy. I live in a suburb. I walk and take the bus and train. My husband bikes. We have one car and it's about to break down. I've had to move 3 times in the past 6 years and each time, I try to choose a location that will work for me, knowing that I am going to be walking.
What are you trying to accomplish?
And how do you got off on passive aggressively insulting everyone by telling them how amazing and "God-like" and virtuous they are?
What exactly is your problem? And what solutions do you propose? And what is even your point? Are you even for real or is this just trolling?
Unbelievable.
I am calling troll because the alternative is too scary.
I'm starting to believe the same...0 -
....and don't sit on your bum all day. It's not rocket surgery!
OK, I won't sit on my bum all day - how in the world didn't I think of this before?
I will make sure to change my desk job for a gladiator one - I know those guys move a lot - and will travel back home from work by foot.
It must be addictive to think that you have all the power in the world to make all the changes you please when in reality you are nothing but an easy-to-squash ant.
Whatever gets us through the day, right?
Oh geez... your exuses are as deep as they are wide....0 -
And how do you got off on passive aggressively insulting everyone by telling them how amazing and "God-like" and virtuous they are?
Oh. You mean she was not serious? I thought someone else finally saw how amazing and God-like I am.0 -
BTW, thanks bcattoes for reminding me to get out of my chair while at work... I want to be more "God-like" and burn a few extra calories at my sedentary desk job...0
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I expected a bit of drama in here but I didn't expect it to be popcorn worthy.
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I expected a bit of drama in here but I didn't expect it to be popcorn worthy.
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I really did not expect this at all.0 -
I love how people still associate "pizza" and "chinese" and "eating out" with being fat. I got fat eating most of my meals at home. I've lost 60 pounds eating out quite often since then (and stay within my macros for the most part). Let's continue to blame pizza and chinese.
Pizza....
MMMMMmmmmmmm
Also to note; I've not read the whole thread yet so maybe regurgitating other comments.0 -
Haha, that was me and cheese. I didn't eat out a lot, but I sure enjoyed the most calorie-dense things from the grocery store, lol.I love how people still associate "pizza" and "chinese" and "eating out" with being fat. I got fat eating most of my meals at home. I've lost 60 pounds eating out quite often since then (and stay within my macros for the most part). Let's continue to blame pizza and chinese.
Pizza....
MMMMMmmmmmmm
Also to note; I've not read the whole thread yet so maybe regurgitating other comments.0 -
It is uncanny just how often BinaryPulsar happens to say what I am thinking.
I think that's a great thing to remember!They teach their children to eat until they are "80% full" and then stop eating.
Guys, the whole thing about being sad that we drive places, it's because America is huge and not so densely populated as Europe. That's not all necessarily a bad thing.
And my neighborhood doesn't have sidewalks because it's old and there is no room but it doesn't stop anybody from walking. I've never seen a newer subdivision without sidewalks. I think that point is irrelevant.
Believe it or not, but walking in a dry, empty, isolated suburb without sidewalks, heading nowhere, and walking just to be "good" and "dutiful" is a whole lot less attractive and enticing than strolling in a vibrant city with a sense of place where you end up exercising when you don't even mean to!
Result?
Most people would rather not walk under such austere conditions.
A few with sheer will - WILL. Most won't.
Next argument.
Speak for yourself...
Nope. I speak for all the people who are NOT in the burbs out walking everywhere at any time of the day.
Usually you see one or two isolated joggers at 10 minutes intervals one after the other.
If most people found such walking to be a joy, suburbs would be pulsing with human energy everywhere.
What I see in the burbs is CARS.
Next.
So, what are we supposed to do about it? Find another way or move. Sorry, not seeing the tragedy. I live in a suburb. I walk and take the bus and train. My husband bikes. We have one car and it's about to break down. I've had to move 3 times in the past 6 years and each time, I try to choose a location that will work for me, knowing that I am going to be walking.
What are you trying to accomplish?
And how do you got off on passive aggressively insulting everyone by telling them how amazing and "God-like" and virtuous they are?
What exactly is your problem? And what solutions do you propose? And what is even your point? Are you even for real or is this just trolling?
Unbelievable.0 -
I have all the kitchen gadgets I will ever need.
No nutritious and tasty meal for a family of four (that my kids would eat too!) is quick enough for me to leave me with ample time for all of my other commitments and obligations.
Let's leave it here, OK?
If you cannot do it in a reasonable amount of time, then maybe you should consider cooking courses.
And you keep talking about how constrained on time you are, yet you have been here for...two hours now? Could have done quite a bit of meal prep in that time. Just sayin'.
To be fair, this is the poster who, a few days ago, insisted she has no time to set up recipes and count calories in MFP and is frustrated because she isn't losing weight. Also, she buys shoes without laces, as tying a lace can take up too much time and seconds count in a day.
Personally, I've found (and added to my recipes) a variety of recipes that take <20 minutes prep time, and I can do a variety of things while the cooking part occurs. Last time we ate out I became frustrated because I could have actually made the same food for less money. My DH (yes a man who cooks!) made a big pot of chili from hard-bean scratch on Friday. Most of the time the beans were soaking; his total prep time over 12 hours was about 30 minutes of labor, broken up throughout. We've frozen some and are eating the rest this week. Cheap? Yes indeed. Healthy? Yup! Good with every reheat? You betcha--almost better with every day of age, actually.
PS--I too love the idea of bringing my own Rubbermaid "to-go" container. Next time I eat out, I will have to plan ahead to do that!
Oh wow, I had no idea she had posted that before. She may want to seek therapy if she feels that tying her shoes is a time sink and that seconds are precious.
Yah that thread was about the same as this one...taking partial quotes to suit her thoughts and bashing MFP's way of loosing weight and wouldn't listen to anyone who even attempted to broach the topic of logging because she doesn't have the "time"...but spends hours here on the forums bashing the US culture and blaming that for the world wide epedemic of obesity....0 -
Not going to read:
Assumed cliffs:
>People who don't know how to cook complaining they're getting fat
-because culture is forcing you eat everything? lul
>People who do know how to cook, calling them out0 -
Not going to read:
Assumed cliffs:
>People who don't know how to cook complaining they're getting fat
-because culture is forcing you eat everything? lul
>People who do know how to cook, calling them out
almost ..resturants by offering large size stuff is making us Fat.. The US Culture makes us fat..glad I am Canadian...another one we skirted by...hehe0 -
Just tell her to go butcher a dead organic chicken apparently that takes a long time...must be the organic part that makes it harder to cut up.....and don't sit on your bum all day. It's not rocket surgery!
OK, I won't sit on my bum all day - how in the world didn't I think of this before?
I will make sure to change my desk job for a gladiator one - I know those guys move a lot - and will travel back home from work by foot.
It must be addictive to think that you have all the power in the world to make all the changes you please when in reality you are nothing but an easy-to-squash ant.
Whatever gets us through the day, right?
Oh please! I've had a desk job for 30+ years and I've never been obese. You are going to have to think of something better than that.0 -
So, what are we supposed to do about it? Find another way or move. Sorry, not seeing the tragedy. I live in a suburb. I walk and take the bus and train. My husband bikes. We have one car and it's about to break down. I've had to move 3 times in the past 6 years and each time, I try to choose a location that will work for me, knowing that I am going to be walking.
What are you trying to accomplish?
And how do you got off on passive aggressively insulting everyone by telling them how amazing and "God-like" and virtuous they are?
What exactly is your problem? And what solutions do you propose? And what is even your point? Are you even for real or is this just trolling?
Unbelievable.
I am calling troll because the alternative is too scary.
I'm starting to believe the same...
Ditto.
Troll city.0 -
Just tell her to go butcher a dead organic chicken apparently that takes a long time...must be the organic part that makes it harder to cut up.....and don't sit on your bum all day. It's not rocket surgery!
OK, I won't sit on my bum all day - how in the world didn't I think of this before?
I will make sure to change my desk job for a gladiator one - I know those guys move a lot - and will travel back home from work by foot.
It must be addictive to think that you have all the power in the world to make all the changes you please when in reality you are nothing but an easy-to-squash ant.
Whatever gets us through the day, right?
Oh please! I've had a desk job for 30+ years and I've never been obese. You are going to have to think of something better than that.
It's the live chickens that are hard to butcher. They may be small, but they put up one h*** of a fight.0 -
Make that say: restaurants by forcing us to eat the entire meal of large size stuff is making us FAT.Not going to read:
Assumed cliffs:
>People who don't know how to cook complaining they're getting fat
-because culture is forcing you eat everything? lul
>People who do know how to cook, calling them out
almost ..resturants by offering large size stuff is making us Fat.. The US Culture makes us fat..glad I am Canadian...another one we skirted by...hehe
Surely, if they just offered, we could say no or take home half of it, therefore it must be forced that makes us eat it all.0 -
Not going to read:
Assumed cliffs:
>People who don't know how to cook complaining they're getting fat
-because culture is forcing you eat everything? lul
>People who do know how to cook, calling them out
More like:
1. Post that states America has a cultural problem that contributes to our propensity towards obesity.
2. A bunch of people post straw man comments about "restaurants didn't make you fat, your lack of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY did"
3. Repeat number 2 enough, the straw man is accepted as the original argument.
4. Continue talking past one another, such that what could have been an interesting discussion ends up devolving into an entire basketload of stupid.0 -
Make that say: restaurants by forcing us to eat the entire meal of large size stuff is making us FAT.Not going to read:
Assumed cliffs:
>People who don't know how to cook complaining they're getting fat
-because culture is forcing you eat everything? lul
>People who do know how to cook, calling them out
almost ..resturants by offering large size stuff is making us Fat.. The US Culture makes us fat..glad I am Canadian...another one we skirted by...hehe
Surely, if they just offered, we could say no or take home half of it, therefore it must be forced that makes us eat it all.
See now that is what is wrong with our culture.. it's not that the resturant industry is practically shoving food down our face... supposedly... it's that we have forgotten how to say this short little one syllable word.... NO.... as a result we have a bunch of fat, bratty people because of it.0 -
Haha, that was me and cheese. I didn't eat out a lot, but I sure enjoyed the most calorie-dense things from the grocery store, lol.I love how people still associate "pizza" and "chinese" and "eating out" with being fat. I got fat eating most of my meals at home. I've lost 60 pounds eating out quite often since then (and stay within my macros for the most part). Let's continue to blame pizza and chinese.
Pizza....
MMMMMmmmmmmm
Also to note; I've not read the whole thread yet so maybe regurgitating other comments.
those damn Italian and Chinese restaurants have been making us fat for years!0 -
It is amazing how many people think that preferring an option to purchase a normal single meal when going out for dinner or lunch = wanting to police restaurants.
That an option of being required to purchase 2-3 dinners at that one seating (one fresh and 2 stale ones to take home) is a far more reasonable alternative to so many posters there than a normal portion size And that if this is not my preferred choice, than there is something wrong with me.
This! I completely agree with you 100% I can't believe how many people are taking this so personally. Also I can't believe how people can't acknowledge that culture does play a factor in the way we go about our lives! Yes in the end you are ultimately responsible for you but the way you were raised and the society you were raised in plays a big role in what decisions you end up making down the line.0 -
Not going to read:
Assumed cliffs:
>People who don't know how to cook complaining they're getting fat
-because culture is forcing you eat everything? lul
>People who do know how to cook, calling them out
More like:
1. Post that states America has a cultural problem that contributes to our propensity towards obesity.
2. A bunch of people post straw man comments about "restaurants didn't make you fat, your lack of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY did"
3. Repeat number 2 enough, the straw man is accepted as the original argument.
4. Continue talking past one another, such that what could have been an interesting discussion ends up devolving into an entire basketload of stupid.
How about this has been an interesting discussion and has consisted of a bit of both? There are certainly a couple of people in here who simply don't get it though.0 -
It is amazing how many people think that preferring an option to purchase a normal single meal when going out for dinner or lunch = wanting to police restaurants.
That an option of being required to purchase 2-3 dinners at that one seating (one fresh and 2 stale ones to take home) is a far more reasonable alternative to so many posters there than a normal portion size And that if this is not my preferred choice, than there is something wrong with me.
This! I completely agree with you 100% I can't believe how many people are taking this so personally. Also I can't believe how people can't acknowledge that culture does play a factor in the way we go about our lives! Yes in the end you are ultimately responsible for you but the way you were raised and the society you were raised in plays a big role in what decisions you end up making down the line.
I don't see many people taking this personally... but what I do see is a bunch of people making excuses as if what they do isn't at the very least partially their fault and they have no control over what happens to them.0 -
Not going to read:
Assumed cliffs:
>People who don't know how to cook complaining they're getting fat
-because culture is forcing you eat everything? lul
>People who do know how to cook, calling them out
More like:
1. Post that states America has a cultural problem that contributes to our propensity towards obesity.
2. A bunch of people post straw man comments about "restaurants didn't make you fat, your lack of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY did"
3. Repeat number 2 enough, the straw man is accepted as the original argument.
4. Continue talking past one another, such that what could have been an interesting discussion ends up devolving into an entire basketload of stupid.
Just so I am clear....because American culture likes to large size everything, cars, boats, buildings, and for this topic food....it absovles people of bad personal choices to eat everything in those large sizes and prevents them from doing exercise???????
K still sounds like a cop out to me...but whatever0 -
Haha, that was me and cheese. I didn't eat out a lot, but I sure enjoyed the most calorie-dense things from the grocery store, lol.I love how people still associate "pizza" and "chinese" and "eating out" with being fat. I got fat eating most of my meals at home. I've lost 60 pounds eating out quite often since then (and stay within my macros for the most part). Let's continue to blame pizza and chinese.
Pizza....
MMMMMmmmmmmm
Also to note; I've not read the whole thread yet so maybe regurgitating other comments.
those damn Italian and Chinese restaurants have been making us fat for years!
I am Canadian I have to blame seafood and alberta beef...oh and our beer..yum0 -
The feels, when I eat like a fatass and am to skinny.
#firstworldproblems0 -
Just so I am clear....because American culture likes to large size everything, cars, boats, buildings, and for this topic food....it absovles people of bad personal choices to eat everything in those large sizes and prevents them from doing exercise???????
K still sounds like a cop out to me...but whatever
Just so you're clear -- you're the one only saying "it absovles people of bad personal choices to eat everything in those large sizes".
It sounds like a cop out, because that attitude is a cop out -- unfortunately, it's also a straw man, because you're the only one saying it.0 -
Not going to read:
Assumed cliffs:
>People who don't know how to cook complaining they're getting fat
-because culture is forcing you eat everything? lul
>People who do know how to cook, calling them out
More like:
1. Post that states America has a cultural problem that contributes to our propensity towards obesity.
2. A bunch of people post straw man comments about "restaurants didn't make you fat, your lack of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY did"
3. Repeat number 2 enough, the straw man is accepted as the original argument.
4. Continue talking past one another, such that what could have been an interesting discussion ends up devolving into an entire basketload of stupid.
Just so I am clear....because American culture likes to large size everything, cars, boats, buildings, and for this topic food....it absovles people of bad personal choices to eat everything in those large sizes and prevents them from doing exercise???????
K still sounds like a cop out to me...but whatever
Just to be clear, that is not what the OP said. It was mostly one poster who was, well, very opinionated.0 -
You are missing the bigger picture but you are not alone since it seems many other people are as well. Funny about all of you preaching personal responsibility but there is something called cultural or social responsibility and so many people want to cop out on that, either out of laziness, selfishness or sheer ignorance.Not going to read:
Assumed cliffs:
>People who don't know how to cook complaining they're getting fat
-because culture is forcing you eat everything? lul
>People who do know how to cook, calling them out
More like:
1. Post that states America has a cultural problem that contributes to our propensity towards obesity.
2. A bunch of people post straw man comments about "restaurants didn't make you fat, your lack of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY did"
3. Repeat number 2 enough, the straw man is accepted as the original argument.
4. Continue talking past one another, such that what could have been an interesting discussion ends up devolving into an entire basketload of stupid.
Just so I am clear....because American culture likes to large size everything, cars, boats, buildings, and for this topic food....it absovles people of bad personal choices to eat everything in those large sizes and prevents them from doing exercise???????
K still sounds like a cop out to me...but whatever0 -
I completely agree! I don't think it helps either when your parents tell you 'eat all that's on your plate- don't be rude!'
We do tell our daughter this - at home, and only if she is asking for some dessert and is claiming she's still hungry yet hasn't finished her meal, knowing that she likes the food on her plate. We don't supersize our plates at home, and I put a lot of healthy foods into our meal plan.I was eating out with my 10 year old daughter. Her and shared a meal at Chili's because we know the portions are huge. I looked around at all the busy tables and was stunned to see every person at every table had two plates each in front of them. Portion size is way out of control.
I've shared meals with my daughter as well. And I've also taught her that it's okay to bring food home.0
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