why is white beard so bad for you ?

Options
2456

Replies

  • Chief_Rocka
    Chief_Rocka Posts: 4,710 Member
    Options
    My main problem with it is that it's just not GOOD for you. There is little to no nutritional value in a slice of white bread, whereas, with whole wheat, you do at least get some nutrients and fiber. It's basically just empty calories.

    You were saying?

    chart.jpg

    Epic fail. You're not supposed to do any research before forming an opinion.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,867 Member
    Options
    There is not that many calories in it thanks for your help :)

    1) caloric density has nothing to with the nutritional value of a particular food. There are numerous foods out there that are extremely calorie dense, but also very nutrient dense and very good for you. Conversely, there are numerous foods that are caloricly void...but also nutritionally void.

    2) It's not that white bread is "bad" per sei...as compared to whole grain breads, it simply lacks nutrition in comparison. Also, not the best option if you are diabetic or otherwise insulin sensitive.
  • Macstraw
    Macstraw Posts: 896 Member
    Options
    i guess you meant "bread" and not "beard."

    Ahhhh, that makes more sense, I was wondering what the problem would be with a white beard........
  • Hudds925
    Hudds925 Posts: 12 Member
    Options
    Those that follow a low glycemic diet (I did for about a year and lost 5 stone) say that white bread is bad because it has a high glycemic value which, when eaten, creates a spike in your blood sugar. It then follows you will get a big trough in your blood sugar cos those that are bigger find it difficult to regulate their insulin levels and they produce too much. As such you then feel hungry really quickly and sometime eat more. There is a also a theory that once your blood sugar gets into that trough then you body will take the fat out of the food and store it as it's 'hungry'

    Please note: I am no expert in these things but I do know that low gi worked for me and perhaps the reasons are stated above... I now calorie count cos it allows me to eat more of a variety of things including white bread and the occasional beard ;)
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    Options
    it's around 100 cals a slice, it's very easy to eat quickly and not very filling, i.e. I could put away 4-6 slices in one meal very easily, yet it doesn't add much in the way of micronutrients. Also, the starch in it gets broken down into sugar more quickly than in wholegrain bread, because it's more refined, and then it gets in the blood more quickly, which is an issue for people with diabetes, pre-diabetes or a family history of diabetes, although eating it as part of a meal helps to lessen that effect.

    That said, in some circumstances it can be good, e.g. if you're trying to gain weight and struggling to eat enough, and you find eating white bread easy, it's a good way to bump up your calorie intake without getting full up. I eat white bread sandwiches when bulking for this reason.

    Also, I don't agree with demonising food. Some people act like certain foods are the devil. No food is the devil, and foods are not healthy or unhealthy in isolation..... someone's entire diet is either healthy or unhealthy. You can include quite a bit of so-called unhealthy foods in a healthy diet, so long as you're getting all the nutrition your body needs and are not eating too much overall and gaining fat.
  • cmcollins001
    cmcollins001 Posts: 3,472 Member
    Options
    Its highly processed and basically all then nutrients are taken out of it. Something can be low calories or non fat and not be good for you. If you are going to eat bread you should get whole grain because you will actually benefit from eating it, instead of just consuming empty calories. Sarah lee makes some whole wheat 65 calorie bread if you are wanting something low in calories. I have some whole wheat bread right now thats made by Franz bread and its 100 calories per slice.

    First) If a calorie is a unit of measure, how can it be empty?

    2) Refer to the chart posted above....there's not that much different between wheat and white

    III) White bread is yummy.
  • escloflowneCHANGED
    escloflowneCHANGED Posts: 3,038 Member
    Options
    I'm so confused....
  • MexicanOsmosis
    MexicanOsmosis Posts: 382 Member
    Options
    My main problem with it is that it's just not GOOD for you. There is little to no nutritional value in a slice of white bread, whereas, with whole wheat, you do at least get some nutrients and fiber. It's basically just empty calories.

    You were saying?

    chart.jpg

    Epic fail. You're not supposed to do any research before forming an opinion.

    lolz
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Options
    There is not that many calories in it thanks for your help :)

    2) It's not that white bread is "bad" per sei...as compared to whole grain breads, it simply lacks nutrition in comparison. Also, not the best option if you are diabetic or otherwise insulin sensitive.

    Does it matter what is actually absorbed, or no?
  • Ready2Rock206
    Ready2Rock206 Posts: 9,488 Member
    Options
    White beards make you look old.

    As far as food goes - there's more to food than just the calories. Jelly beans don't have very many calories - doesn't make them a health food.
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    Options
    I'm so confused....

    It's ok. Beard or bread, the whole thread is going to end up nonsensical :drinker:
  • MexicanOsmosis
    MexicanOsmosis Posts: 382 Member
    Options
    Its highly processed and basically all then nutrients are taken out of it. Something can be low calories or non fat and not be good for you. If you are going to eat bread you should get whole grain because you will actually benefit from eating it, instead of just consuming empty calories. Sarah lee makes some whole wheat 65 calorie bread if you are wanting something low in calories. I have some whole wheat bread right now thats made by Franz bread and its 100 calories per slice.

    First) If a calorie is a unit of measure, how can it be empty?

    2) Refer to the chart posted above....there's not that much different between wheat and white

    III) White bread is yummy.

    Epic image post fail...
  • dieselbyte
    dieselbyte Posts: 733 Member
    Options
    My main problem with it is that it's just not GOOD for you. There is little to no nutritional value in a slice of white bread, whereas, with whole wheat, you do at least get some nutrients and fiber. It's basically just empty calories.

    You were saying?

    chart.jpg

    Once again science and research prevail. Just waiting for someone to throw in the "glycemic index" so we can have another laugh...
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    Options
    Christmas_santa1.jpg
  • noKTdidnt
    noKTdidnt Posts: 61 Member
    Options
    White bread versus whole wheat bread:

    Anything using "enriched flour" means that they've broken down the grain of the wheat to refine that grain which ends up removing any of the nutritional value of that grain. So, the grain is then "enriched" with more nutrients.

    The problem comes with the body goes to break down this enriched flour. Because it's already broken down, the blood sugar spikes and it's burned much quicker than something that is made with whole flour.

    For some people, this means nothing. Their body will process it the same. But anyone sensitive to their blood sugar, having diabetes or insulin resistance, this can be problematic to keeping their insuline levels flat or cause moodiness and hunger. It's all about understanding how different foods affect your body.
  • doorki
    doorki Posts: 2,611 Member
    Options
    There is not that many calories in it thanks for your help :)

    [img]data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxQTEhUUEhQWFBUXFRUXGBcXFRQUFBcXFBcWFxcVFxQYHCggGBolHBUUITEhJSkrLi4uFx8zODMsNygtLisBCgoKDg0OGhAQGiwkHxwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLP/AABEIAK8BHwMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAbAAABBQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAECAwUGB//EADgQAAEDAgQDBgUEAQMFAAAAAAEAAhEDIQQSMUEFUWEicYGRofAGEzKx0RRCweFSYnLxFSM0stL/xAAZAQADAQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIDBAX/xAAjEQACAgIDAAEFAQAAAAAAAAAAAQIRAyESMUEiEzJRYYEE/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwDheFYo03tcNotz6LvuMfGra7GBrC2LmY1jQRsvOqJV3zV5042z041WzsKHHq1TLS+Y4smzZMeS9B4bgzh8r8W2Gu0M5otMEbLx7gtU/NbFzK9mZhsVimsp1x8sAZhLYJi0mNTfRQo0xZJfxGR8V8YptrN/TmWZe2B9JM7A9FfxX4hpVabRT7PPQeC5f4t4e7DVjTcQeyCCNwftouXqYgjdRvkzVQjxVHpfG+C0f0Pz/mdqBuIJJAyxzXmWOABgJ348xBJPigalWVSVuwXxVXZS8qDKZcQBclO9y6HgPBS9pJe2mSLl0ktaY+lguXGQtW6QoR5PfQHhcI5zhQpAu3qOGn+3NsNFuYP4GaXB1QAMNsk37xrC67B4alhmMp0wPqHJzj/rqOG9yYCzn48tcXB1zMHoeQ2RCIZMt9dD4bgVGkJGolpdvB0BjW0KqtRZ9RIcZ6gCNgAgf1BNpN9bqyQAOe61jCjB5LDMNSB7Ui91PJdQwbwAph61RnZNrVbTPNU/MUQ+6ADQ66mYQoqCQrW1bwiwLKlKRa6yOJ8PD2FrhIPMTHULTzwVZWZmbIQ1Y06PJ+KcLfRdDhLTo4aH8HogJXp2Pwoc1zSAQRofeq8zxNMtc5psQSFm1RVkJTEqKUpCsdMnlMmA6cBME6QxJ0ydADpkyUoASaU6RQA7XWUsyqBTgpUOzV4Dj/k16dT/ABcD5Fes8e+PmuYw0nBrh2uyZMxHlc2Xi9Mq8V1DvwpKL2zd4vxl9d7qlRxc47npYLGqVpQ7qqrLklAtz8LjUTFyqlSY0uIA1KqqJtsN4fSF6jvpZfvOwWz8JcUY6qTVMy4RTy2cdi95FgJ06lYPGquRraLTpd3VD8CxIbUiNVMVyds6cnwhxX9PUeK48Fwa2Tec3+RvMchf0WLVq8lrYfh5dTD3GJDSbwINgJ22sqcRhmtuztQB2ttSTf08Oi0i0jhkmwFgIExe9j7spC8Hr4qNaqAc2p1iIAnkno1gO8rQzDKT4VmbqhK2MAbJg6abSpU8WyNfui0UkwgPUhUWd+pmSLcuSFfinF+WdjMegUc0XwfZ0TXAq9rARK55ld2oOisw2NcXFjjDokRoR0KamhcWaz55ypsqOYJBkHUFBNe4GZzDuv6bq1mKzW13iNFSYgusQ4SNCvNfiillxD/A+YXo1KII2XA/GrSMQDsWNjwkH7IYGAnUZTqQHSTJBAySdRTJATlKVEJIoLEkpQmhADhOUkkDKQptUGqYQxImEiU0pkih5TyopEpiJStLhLAJe7uH8lZSLxtfLTDBvby+r1+yzydV+Tp/zVy5PwzsXWL3Ocdz6K/hdP8A7jepGmpm0IZrZstThNb5dWm4ftcCn+kVOSW2et08MW0SHXIDW8gCBLgB0sJXO8Sx+YhsjK3lpt9v4VHEviElthtpP8Lk8TxN8nSDbz3VRRxykvDQxmOvY73VdLGuMX0WZKtom6p9Ers3KFSdVdmWdQgXRlpkbrBm6Zc18amEuHNkue7TbuCpmTl8yi8PSMRaOSFobtk8N9En9xJHcShOJNOXONWkFaL+qGrtlpHMR5pN7HWg2jiZY0nkD5+yoPqAOa7w5G+hnv8Auh8XV+UwRtlHlzVdeoHaaEStUzFo3BMCCDO515/lcb8aV2uqMAMlrTPSTIXVcOfmpNJ5fZcl8WcPLKhfs7/2ET+VZJz6SRTIAdOCopwgCSUJpSlIZJKU0pwgB06UJIGKUkykEAVNUkzU8oEhymlJIoGJJJMgCTNR3hD16hc6/d6q9H8YphrmNDQ0imzMQNSQNUmtmkJ8U0Z1NsK2m6CDyKjCuoUsxA93QQ229mg+oHNBE9yGr07FHVaIEAIPGG56q0tGEnsqhOx0G5AWdiaz57OioM/vMHzPlqnQWdbgMU2QAQRF0VSaA8gGwuO4rjMHjYNpW1wnG5qnespQo2hOy2pjnNBgXvMoQfEFYf4nwutzHYTWAJ9lYNTCS4Zpb3aoi0/ByUvGEjjlQ7R76rVw2OJHaB8oWJh+G1DU7FQhk73OvXyW3hKD2yHOD+sQfT8JTS8CHL0LrtzNIO4KBBLWiZsJnpC0WqiowZD0afSVEGVNaNPgk/Ibe8KHxFQ+ZSPOJHeEuG1IpCREMBPkVbiHy0jlotjI84qC6gStDi2Fy1HRpr5rNVICUpwVAlPKAJSnBVZKkCgLLAU8qEpwUh2WApKIUkhiSSTFAEQnTBJMQ6dMFIoGMkkkgCVNskDmQPMrT+Jf/Id0DR6IHh9PNVpg6F7R6hE8WZNepJJ7R0v4JMAICdFs8Hwpu46D7lB4Gi6o8NAAE7wYA1nl3ro6VMNZlbETslYeAOIbBlZGMaZK2q4l99JQWNp9pycZGcomNVpyBG/mpUMOyIPef+VNug97og1BkiFTBGdiqbJHy2xGp5ovg7IqDxUMsIjh9nAhD6BdnSudPihK/DQTmBgohrrBNXxIETod1zK0dbSoGw9B0wFpCnGqjhyCbK2skwSK3IOu/skbkwiKjrKgU+20cwT6R/CcSZKzTwrezHNkKugDA8ldTdpGyupN1WyMmjmfiTBknM3Ua9QuXK9Ex9MGDqsmvwFlSTTOR+sG7XdOiadE0cekFZXpFpIIggkeShlVE2NKScNT5ECsQKmCoZCkgpMslSCrBUpSoZOUlEFOgYwSVldsFVIQiQUgoAqQQxocpk5ShAMM4MB8+nOmcf16pY1wdUdc/W7Te5j+Fd8OA/qGdMxPcGmVHDDNUc4W+onYCSbDzUsYXhsOA0DSbkDUiREnldb9On2dFnUsNMbkxYSdok/wOq3n0YACiyqMrG0N1m1G3J710NdoNPqCsSuzZOJMjBeLkdVFxWnjKBym1xed7ahZbirjKyWqKqlTZE4Ou0OFwgXG5URSHWe9XWiOVM69uLaGmVClXa8doQLiD7sucFN+YENJ6XstujTfB7Bi0TE371i4JG6m34PJouF8zDod28gfytRr5ErIc+SWuBEjfpr+UZgiQ2Dcj15KJIqMvAmQhsRIJcP2gRfqr2G91RWvnjmPREUKTCcHV8jdGfqIHj6Qf6WVgDb3sEVmWpmXNqEmE7mzpYquk26te2bjVIaMXinDszi8a7iPM9TZc7VaQSuxxpIAIsdf+ViY2gCA6O/odU1KiZRvoxk4KN/Tj+0zsJyKu0ZU0DAqwBM6kQmBhOgsc4edFVUpEIykVNIdmaHKQciK+Fm41QTpBg2TK5Hb8I+H6deqM7sgAkjn0WP8V4RlKsW09FoYLi+V4zARIvyUvi/Al8VmEFsBckG1LbNnTjo5MKYVakCuozLElAFdd8K/BVXFN+a8/KpbOiXO/wBo5dSpeilsyvhqm75xI2pvPpp6puHMmAGkkuB6RELvcJ8G0qMltSo8lpY4yBANzAA1VreDUmHNSaQ7lMjy5qHIpRMvheDDCJuRrynqisQZVlbDZDrJ/dyHSUPVdIt7CzKBXmxQLKcutqSiHumeSpZUy9ryTb0SlsuxWGAbcXAue7ULjsSyCY3XS4nEuIgme7TuWBi4m6vEmicjRkXBvPgrKOJg/SbbxPqp1tZt4KbHRdbGcezToVzaXtvuJJtzspVWlxhht/kRM9I2Q1PFN626LRwmLadLLJ68OhNfki7BvDJLy4jawt+UZhHyJhSLpEef5Tsox3e/NZ3YPuxVqsAka6DvVGGZBvv6/wBooU5be/3sq6TZMK4oyk7YqVOHW0KupNVhZaN5B/Klg/qvoqEX4c2h26Fq1CxxBFjp3d6vxT4yEcj91GvDwOeqTKRGsA9vesDEDJZ15mR73R7sRlLmzp1QWKxbT9Tb39OiRVGe45SptdysfQqGJeLRa39/yoMKZLROrXjUXQz6soqxEO89whatItN/A7FawowmmiWHF0QFRhtVdK0cUzHk0xwVGtRDhdOnlZPRonYY2lO11tsYx2HhxOfkuXwVd7QDIhabcQZkFcs4s64tAOK4fYnQhZbhC6egypVMNErUw/ww0HNVueW3kms3HTD6bl0YHwjwj9RiWMeDkHaf/tbt42C9ix/FAxuVsANEACwt/AXG8CqNZVeRAsB5FX4jEFzjJ3WkXz2DXE1cNiS/sjxPTmrK2KDRDPF34QPz8jIGpFz02CDr1yB7sEmhpluKxEi2iHyEwPfeUK6tJHmiWvysLudgoKMyq6x70BWr+SKxJgeKzy3O6B58hzVJGdifUO3VZNRva/la2NpgC2nu6y209z4BaxMpFdTDyqzh9giXFRFQAq2SmTo4FgFxNuZWrQptAAAA6xdZ1Ks2IkA39Z5dwRlDEiOY7jrf+llK2axaQbTpAGyhXxNw1uvu6Gq4o/tFjYkahE8NwoMk6k/Yi3olX5G5X0X0nQIKejbMffu6jiWxYX+6rwtSD6JkmhTJAFp96KnE14aXCxtMciY809WobC894jyTVaENDdS6T4C6VlD4ioCwSecd/JAVsTlGqrxtctpjYyNfGVTXxIexttZt1brqk3o3x47ewGo+SY1PuyEqVEnuvaVLXVSnRvPCn0Ugq5jVD5fJXNPRXZzuDXZLJZO2CMrtPseaQnRM8JpmUkVCkWuIPLwPVIOV31CDqPpP8ITTVbwlZx5IU7Lw5KVUHKYKtqzNOgOjUIsbrpuHcKNjUO0xKl/0ym1uUtJtMrK+cc05jIMa7Bcl/Uuj0oQ49nXYTj9Cl2Q2COi08NxFtW7bhedcSxWZ06WWv8K5u04XHJRP/MuNrs2Ut0dDWpFlSW7qVKr2r6yn/UNO9xshcWQDmmFnim4umTOF7NHE1u14oLGVbx5+G3ohsXiDmDhdp1PJU4x8VJ1DgCPxK3lszSCaFQEnKCY1Oytxdewbyv5qmjUI18ByQ+LfF+alIGyqu7bmqmkNb369f6RjaENmZMT3SgahadZHTZOJEhspqAnkP5WcymT4LZbAZ2dNrXPcs75RGoub93VaIzZQylmcR4ItvDaY5n0U+FsBJm1oRD2ATfl9oVE0D0MLRBMNiNTJkk7QSpU8MCRHM76AToqcLSJaJ98loUsMRHvwSY0VOwDg7s8vC6sw1Yss8fyi3Oy2JEjYX81RVdmsdFJYV81rtCJ9UIRBMd6lQIBsO5MDJPWfRIYqFG8zdRdma+TvoiqRtOw9yrsSwOaRHLwRRSMnjuD+ZTJb9YuRzHTkVzdCuTA0AFv5K6SpLTJ2Bk9Pf3XKtPaPeVL6OnC3YRWTsbZSa1ScVlZ3JekdUp8VXmVrBKOgpS0LJy/tQLlZlVNbmtISs5M+DirRYCmrtkZtxr+VU16upvi61To4pRtUChym1ylUodoBt8xEeJ0XWcV+G6LHU6bcwcGAvMz2j02WjzRjSfpyrDJ3Xho4kO+XAbJjZc3ieBuAzPIp9NSV1+PxzaDBzgRz0XG8Rx5qHM4rmxx4nquK7Zn4qmzSVPhWNdQda7TqP5VD8DVN8pg6FDV2uYYcIK61TVGMnTuqOhxeIDn5mGxEqLg9/M9Fm8Owj3dsWaNbwjm4kNdZyzcEnoqLvbNLAZ2A5gQzqimukRM8jv3LMxBc5oJJI5KNasWDKDosMjpmsMPL+Gq+qKY7R7R0CAq1c2vnosynjHFwEz4AkeaIa8kEoiZ5IpGphcX2uYhZnETLyW6TonkhMA2dJ+y0RzM1MEMwlxytAGupI5dFViTP0/u36Dkgq+KcbbRbyTsqGA3kPzdUkQ2WUqEGRoPLuHNDvfmd00T4mv8AtGgUadUNcwHdwJ/tUSaWEYBJO38IzDMLpJ6eEqkMuQOfv7I7Cui2ihlojWwwF+iDLZsi8RV296IWi+6QwltLl3KvEYYtjuJ8NwrmvLHTsVXXqbk6T4ygaFh3Qw90HwUm1LFD41/y2tzakTHekypaeX2KCgPjRdlykW17+8rliAHGOa7fiDQ+jO492XEuHa8VnWzsxyTigwKmq9WzZDNGYqEdcnqidBk3RKapYQkxS9lRVaHUXBIOlx6QpQjoemgetQi4+k+iZiKba2yErsymRofcLWEr0cGfAo/JdBVCpBEHtBwc08nAyPBdJg8e7EOdUd9RsRyIXJZrLV4RxIUnioRmEQ8dYMOTnG1+zkun+iut859M13uGUwA0m8LHfWvcphRfkdezdptfogpuumEU+glkdUb/AP1qWBkuJ2hC0sG57szs2tyeSqwjw3QLew4e9sCLqJPi9Fxlz7Mh+Z3zGsJAgzHIILBgnIGCXFdW7BNpYep/k4RPei/gxrKOHfXewPABj/JpFoTeRJFLG5SSM/h76kRUEZfuEDVrSY3WlUxZqS87tnzKD4bSl2Z1m335ann4Lj+6TZ3SrHFJFfDcE7tOd3DmivlkXd2RNgdT/SJr1m6MmBMoJ9GTJMzp0WyOCbt7C8S3sA/6h6yqKTZ9+JRdRpLA0DcegP5KEpGJKtdmMuh63vn3BWfKyNk6n0V+Aoi7zci/nP4QWPxGZ0BUZkaFOZcdBdNSoFwnfMlJa0A6khHYV2QQNefVFhQTBFz4q8vPndTwtQauukSCSTYKGWiqpa/vonpMlwHMhTqCXRt/Sve0NGfloOu3r9kDIN0g3CrfTlw6G6k10W5W+ydxhx59n73QwRi8ZqudU7gI81ocGZLQHQC2xHTT8J+IUJki341WXw/FOk8gIjql0a/cjZgNe9k227jouT4hh8r556jSHCx8zfxW9iqxEkawB6/2sfirpeT1/wDofhSzXF2CVDZTwzFW1qKa2yybPQirdlFd105qZQSq5kobFVZOUaJpWRKfG2EYIyCTqSiWqrCtgK9oUyezSC+KEVRiWy0932RCg4IT2PJG4tGXTqdUTh6sGdeiz2lEsK66PBs//9k=[/img]
  • _NautiBuoy_
    _NautiBuoy_ Posts: 55 Member
    Options
    White beard usually indicates a wizard or sorcerer of some type. If you'll think hard you enough you'll realize that history has never shown an overweight wizard which would suggest they are under some kind of spell that keeps them slim. Unless you are in possession of that spell white beard would cause you to grow old and gain weight.

    Tune in tomorrow when we talk about Black Beards ........... ARRRRGH!
  • brraanndi
    brraanndi Posts: 325 Member
    Options
    White bread isn't bad. It's the delicious, not remotely healthy sandwiches I make with it that cause me the problems.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,867 Member
    Options
    whole wheat =/= whole grain. whole wheat bread is basically the same thing as white bread. my whole grain bread has about double the protein and fiber of a whole wheat or white bread.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    Options
    My main problem with it is that it's just not GOOD for you. There is little to no nutritional value in a slice of white bread, whereas, with whole wheat, you do at least get some nutrients and fiber. It's basically just empty calories.


    Have you ever actually compared the nutritional values of white bread vs. whole wheat? They are almost identical... although wheat bread does often have more fiber, it typically has more sugar as well.


    Either way, I think everyone should eat the type of bread they like as long as it fits their macros.
    I like the more fiber and protein in the wheat, but more importantly, white bread has no taste and I enjoy the taste of the wheat.