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Almost a Year In--Ozempic Journey so far split
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Oprah just announced the she's using GLP-1, and that her company Weight Watchers International is rolling into prescribing Ozempic, and their platform will now support people who are on the medication.1
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chris_in_cal wrote: »Oprah just announced the she's using GLP-1, and that her company Weight Watchers International is rolling into prescribing Ozempic, and their platform will now support people who are on the medication.
Following the Benjamins.0 -
Hahaha, what a grifter.
Before, she said, "If I take the drug, that's the easy way out.'"
Now that she can make millions off it, she's taking it even while she's already slim, ostensibly "as a tool to manage not yo-yoing", but in reality to normalize to her followers they should buy the drugs from her for the rest of their lives.6 -
Wait. Oprah owns Weight Watchers? I'm so out of the loop.3
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She bought 10% of WW, then marketed it to her followers to make about $400M profit from it.cmriverside wrote: »Wait. Oprah owns Weight Watchers? I'm so out of the loop.
https://www.investopedia.com/news/oprah-makes-bank-weight-watchers-windfall/1 -
Retroguy2000 wrote: »
She bought 10% of WW, then marketed it to her followers to make about $400M profit from it.cmriverside wrote: »Wait. Oprah owns Weight Watchers? I'm so out of the loop.
https://www.investopedia.com/news/oprah-makes-bank-weight-watchers-windfall/
well...!1 -
Retroguy2000 wrote: »Hahaha, what a grifter.
Before, she said, "If I take the drug, that's the easy way out.'"
Now that she can make millions off it, she's taking it even while she's already slim, ostensibly "as a tool to manage not yo-yoing", but in reality to normalize to her followers they should buy the drugs from her for the rest of their lives.
“Easy way out”… that statement always makes me sad. We are working hard to lose the weight, regardless of medicines or surgeries. 😕
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ayameinlove wrote: »“Easy way out”… that statement always makes me sad. We are working hard to lose the weight, regardless of medicines or surgeries. 😕
The OP bravely put out her experience, her truth, and they wholesale dismiss it. Safely unwilling to engage. It is the most important conversation right now, with those many braying from the sidelines.
It is the conversation now. Irregardless of their dismissiveness.0 -
I don't care if Oprah buys the freakin' government and then makes herself president.
I don't care that she's making money off one of her investments. I think she's proven over many decades of public work and life that her heart is generally in the right place. She deserves any kind of help for her own personal struggles and she certainly deserves to make money off it.
She is doing what she's always done. She is trying to help people. A lot of people who are obese need help. What's the problem? If someone is struggling with a life-threatening illness like obesity, give them any kind of help that's out there, I say.
I do think this drug could cause problems, but that's a different discussion. Hopefully people learn to eat differently and then get off it...but I'm not sure it will work out that way.
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cmriverside wrote: »Given what is publicly known about her weight history why would anyone assume that Ophrah does NOT have to struggle to avoid regain?
Reminds me of the non trivial number of people who didn't know me back when I was obese and who have commented "well YOU don't have to worry about your diet".
Yeah, I think this is a very big Truth.
I don't care if Oprah buys the freakin' government and then makes herself president.
I don't care that she's making money off one of her investments. I think she's proven over many decades of public work and life that her heart is generally in the right place. She deserves any kind of help for her own personal struggles and she certainly deserves to make money off it.
She is doing what she's always done. She is trying to help people. A lot of people who are obese need help. What's the problem? If someone is struggling with a life-threatening illness like obesity, give them any kind of help that's out there, I say.
I do think this drug could cause problems, but that's a different discussion. Hopefully people learn to eat differently and then get off it...but I'm not sure it will work out that way.
It will be interesting to see the long term issues around this drug, if people can effectively make behavioral change go off it without gaining the weight back.2 -
chris_in_cal wrote: »ayameinlove wrote: »“Easy way out”… that statement always makes me sad. We are working hard to lose the weight, regardless of medicines or surgeries. 😕
The OP bravely put out her experience, her truth, and they wholesale dismiss it. Safely unwilling to engage. It is the most important conversation right now, with those many braying from the sidelines.
It is the conversation now. Irregardless of their dismissiveness.
Sure. Because we get raked over the coals, called names, and screamed at over the internet when we do respond to these kind of posts. So we started to ignore them. Congratulations.1 -
Again, a pertinent, brave, vulnerable, humble original post. No one will touch it.0
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Where you see altruism, I see a pusher and a grifter.cmriverside wrote: »I don't care that she's making money off one of her investments. I think she's proven over many decades of public work and life that her heart is generally in the right place. She deserves any kind of help for her own personal struggles and she certainly deserves to make money off it.
She is doing what she's always done. She is trying to help people.
I think it's cynical the way her interview with her new position on the drug comes out in sync with her company's new GLP-1 platform, which was obviously a coordinated plan. I think it's cynical that she is effectively promoting the drug for life regardless of being overweight or not, and oh look, her company offers a couple of subscription plans for $23 for support, or $99 for access to the drug (but excluding the cost of the drug), per month, for life. Plus all the shares she has in the company.
Maybe she is genuinely trying to help people, but when there is such a large financial reward at the same time (and the convenient change of heart recently about this), it reminds me of the saying:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."2 -
...and the salaries of thousands of other people...she definitely has created a monster that needs to be fed.
I get it, I can see your point, (and she is friendly with Dr. Oz.
) He probably developed the drug. . .it has his name.
It still has the potential (maybe) to help a lot of people lose weight. I don't see how she could possibly separate her own struggle with weight from the empathy she has for other overweight people. It's a complicated topic, but I prefer to think she's doing it for good rather than for nefarious profit. Pretty sure she'd be okay financially if this hadn't happened.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »...and the salaries of thousands of other people...she definitely has created a monster that needs to be fed.
I get it, I can see your point, (and she is friendly with Dr. Oz. ) He probably developed the drug. . .it has his name.
It still has the potential (maybe) to help a lot of people lose weight. I don't see how she could possibly separate her own struggle with weight from the empathy she has for other overweight people. It's a complicated topic, but I prefer to think she's doing it for good rather than for nefarious profit. Pretty sure she'd be okay financially if this hadn't happened.
Dr Oz doesn't have the background to develop such a drug.2 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »...and the salaries of thousands of other people...she definitely has created a monster that needs to be fed.
I get it, I can see your point, (and she is friendly with Dr. Oz. ) He probably developed the drug. . .it has his name.
It still has the potential (maybe) to help a lot of people lose weight. I don't see how she could possibly separate her own struggle with weight from the empathy she has for other overweight people. It's a complicated topic, but I prefer to think she's doing it for good rather than for nefarious profit. Pretty sure she'd be okay financially if this hadn't happened.
Dr Oz doesn't have the background to develop such a drug.
Oh, for Pete sake. I was being sarcastic. :flowerforyou:3 -
I only know three people who have taken Ozempic, and all three of them had gastrointestinal reactions and wished they hadn’t taken it. I work in safety pharmacology, along with the three I know who have taken it. All 3 also work with me in various positions. All 3 were normal bodyweights, I don’t think any worked out or dieted prior, and none were diabetic. I however am morbidly obese, and will never even consider using it after seeing what all three of them went through on it.2
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So why were they taking the drug if they were non diabetic normal weight people who had neither dieted not exercised before?
Am I missing something obvious or should I continue to bang my head in despair for the world?0 -
I know quite a few people (several dozen, still a small number overall) who have taken Ozempic, mostly diabetics who are taking it for blood sugar control.
Some have had minor side effects,which usually settle over time.
I guess 3 is a very small sample size so it is possible to have statistical anomaly whereby those 3 all have difficult side effects to an atypical level.
(like Pav I am lost as to why the 3 people mentioned were taking it though
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paperpudding wrote: »I know quite a few people (several dozen, still a small number overall) who have taken Ozempic, mostly diabetics who are taking it for blood sugar control.
Some have had minor side effects,which usually settle over time.
I guess 3 is a very small sample size so it is possible to have statistical anomaly whereby those 3 all have difficult side effects to an atypical level.
(like Pav I am lost as to why the 3 people mentioned were taking it though )
A big part of the difference is dosage. People taking it for weight loss use much higher dosages than people using it for blood sugar control. It still boggles my mind that ozempic works for weight loss through it's gastrointestinal affects (i.e. delayed gastric emptying and decreased appetite) but people are surprised that it has gastrointestinal effects.1 -
First post. Telling a partial story about three people having horrible side effects. Seems a little suspicious. Maybe they will elaborate on why the people took it, especially if they work in pharma. Surely someone in the industry would know better than to take something not necessary....?2
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sollyn23l2 wrote: »It still boggles my mind that ozempic works for weight loss through it's gastrointestinal affects
Kind of. GPL-1 directly effects the pancreas, then what the pancreas does after that impacts the gastointestinal system. But it's all connected.0 -
I take it for T2D. I take a much smaller dose than I used to. i.e. .5 mg. I want to stop completely but am scared to stop because of the diabetes. Seeing an endocrinologist tomorrow and will ask him. I’ve been on it for 11 months. At one point my doctor put me on 1.5 mg, so I don’t think higher doses are just for weight loss people.0
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Still taking it after doctor’s advice..1
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Given what is publicly known about her weight history why would anyone assume that Ophrah does NOT have to struggle to avoid regain?
Reminds me of the non trivial number of people who didn't know me back when I was obese and who have commented "well YOU don't have to worry about your diet".
Yeah, I think this is a very big Truth.
I don't care if Oprah buys the freakin' government and then makes herself president.
I don't care that she's making money off one of her investments. I think she's proven over many decades of public work and life that her heart is generally in the right place. She deserves any kind of help for her own personal struggles and she certainly deserves to make money off it.
She is doing what she's always done. She is trying to help people. A lot of people who are obese need help. What's the problem? If someone is struggling with a life-threatening illness like obesity, give them any kind of help that's out there, I say.
I do think this drug could cause problems, but that's a different discussion. Hopefully people learn to eat differently and then get off it...but I'm not sure it will work out that way.
It will be interesting to see the long term issues around this drug, if people can effectively make behavioral change go off it without gaining the weight back.
My endocrinologist advises her female patients that they are seeing ozempic use alter hormones levels (LH & FSH) , delay ovulation and to avoid use a few months prior if planning a pregnancy.
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SafariGal, that's kinda scary.2
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