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ShopieCaca
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what tips have helped you loose weight the fastest?🥰
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I think losing weight the fastest is a bad plan.
Too often, people who try to lose weight fast crash and burn before they reach goal weight, or they don't learn then practice sustainable new habits to stay at a healthy weight long term. Something like 80%+ of people who lose weight regain it, often with extra pounds or kilos on top of their starting weight.
A sensibly moderate weight loss rate can sometimes get a person to goal weight in less calendar time than a supposedly aggressive, fast approach that causes deprivation-triggered over-eating, breaks in the action, or even giving up altogether. As a bonus, it gives an opportunity to find and practice new habits that can keep a person at that healthy weight long term, ideally permanently.
For myself, I decided I wasn't going to do anything to lose weight that I wasn't willing to continue long term to stay at a healthy weight, other than a sensibly moderate calorie deficit until I reached goal weight: No extreme eating rules, no punitively intense and unpleasant exercise: Just calorie-appropriate eating (on average) of foods I enjoy, and fun (or at least tolerable/practical exercise). I was overweight/obese for around 30 years. It took just under a year to lose to a healthy weight, and I've been at a healthy weight for 8 years since.
My best advice - not the advice you asked for at all - is this: Don't look for ways to lose weight fast. Look for ways to lose weight (relatively) easily, and stay there. It's a different mindset. Give it some thought.
Best wishes!
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ShopieCaca wrote: »what tips have helped you loose weight the fastest?🥰
I heard that the fastest way to drop weight was to chop a leg off.
I can see it would work really well but I guess I'll just stick with my long term plan.
It would be great tho to loose a few pounds so that my clothes fitted better.2 -
Liposuction is fast.
Healthy weight loss through diet and exercise takes patience.
1lb per week is a pretty healthy expectation.4 -
Here's another perspective: Losing weight slowly and sustainably might be the fastest way. If you restrict too much you might crash and burn out, then binge, then give up thinking nothing works. Make weightloss easy, not hard.7
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There is no fast way. Overstressing the body with too low of calories then you'r homeostatic system overloads your body with water retention trying to balance the fat and muscle loss so you look bloated and havn't lost any weight plus you lose lean mass (muscle) so you end up looking worse.
Stick to a more reasonable plan and have patience. Crash diets don't work1 -
Lots of studies saying that any weightloss based on calorie counting isn't even sustainable when they consider the picture over a number of year in those studies. You have to change how and what you eat if you want it to stay off for the rest of your life. Which sucks because for most people that takes some time.
https://zoe.com/learn/why-calorie-counting-doesnt-work A link to the meta-analysis paper is in the article if you prefer to read the original study.3 -
Lots of studies saying that any weightloss based on calorie counting isn't even sustainable when they consider the picture over a number of year in those studies. You have to change how and what you eat if you want it to stay off for the rest of your life. Which sucks because for most people that takes some time.
https://zoe.com/learn/why-calorie-counting-doesnt-work A link to the meta-analysis paper is in the article if you prefer to read the original study.
I think that article is possibly misleading, or at least incomplete. Yes, most people who use calorie-counting will regain long term . . . which is pretty much true for other ways of losing weight, too.
Things they say that I think are misleading or incorrect:
1. " . . . a diet focused on drastically reducing caloric intake initially produces dramatic weight loss. But people's weight steadily rises back." Calorie counting doesn't necessarily require drastic calorie reductions. If a person learns and practices new habits, it's not assured that weight steadily rises back.
2. ". . . when you see the calories listed on a food label, that’s really only an estimate — amounts can vary. Legally speaking, food manufacturers can be up to 20% out in their estimates, which could be significant." This is true. But most of us have somewhat repetitive overall eating patterns. If we calorie count, and adjust based on results, that tends to compensate for the overs and unders of reasonably-accurate logging. Same is true for other points in that section. (Things we eat rarely don't matter much in the big picture. The day-in, day-out routine is the big deal.)
3. "Even if you knew exactly how many calories were in your meal, you wouldn't know how many you’ve actually absorbed." Same thing as #2, if you track and adjust based on results, this sort of thing isn't a big practical problem. Ditto for many of the immediately following points about calories differing depending on how processed the food is, what the nutritional quality is, etc. Those aren't trivial concerns when it comes to health, but not huge practical factors in a "count and adjust" situation.
4. "When counting calories, you tend to fixate on the calorie figures alone. This can mean choosing foods simply because their calorie counts are low. . . . . you may miss out on essential vitamins and minerals." I don't understand why some critics of calorie counting believe that calorie counting means people will necessarily ignore nutrition. Sure, some people do, but some people ignore nutrition in any context. Ignoring nutrition is dumb in any context, IMO. Also important: Personal satiety, energy level implications, affordability, practicality, and enjoyment of eating.
5. "There’s also growing evidence that for some people, it may increase the risk of disordered eating. . . . For instance, a study from 2017 recruited participants with existing eating disorders. . . . Around three-quarters of the participants reported that the calorie counting app contributed to their eating disorder." Honestly, this is a little eye-roll-y to me. Yes, people with eating disorders, or susceptible to eating disorders, may be triggered by calorie counting. I don't think that - potentially being triggered into disordered eating - is unique to calorie-counting either. I understand - and truly sympathize with, feel horrible for - people who try calorie counting and slide into disordered eating. That doesn't mean that this concern applies to everyone.
The final bit is IMO really good advice: "Rather than focusing on removing things from your diet, focus on adding vegetables, nuts, seeds, whole grains, legumes, and fermented foods. But if you fancy a slice of cheesecake every once in a while, go for it. Food should be enjoyed, not counted." IME, that's completely compatible with calorie counting (except the "not counted"
) - the rest is more compatible with counting than with many other methods people adopt to lose weight.
The one thing I didn't notice in their article is another frequent criticism of calorie counting: That calorie calculator estimates aren't accurate for every one. That's also 100% true, but also countered by using a "track then adjust based on 4-6 weeks' experience" approach. (MFP is off by 25-30% for me, which is rare. Nonetheless, I lost predictably once I figured that out, and adjusted.)
Also, near the start, the article links a "review and meta-analysis examining 80 weight loss clinical trials provides some evidence" for their thesis. Here's the conclusion from that meta-analysis:Conclusions: Weight-loss interventions utilizing a reduced-energy diet and exercise are associated with moderate weight loss at 6 months. Although there is some regain of weight, weight loss can be maintained. The addition of weight-loss medications somewhat enhances weight-loss maintenance.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17904936/
Yup, evidence against calorie counting. Did they think we wouldn't look at the link?
Final observations: This site, ZOE, is selling something that doesn't benefit from people succeeding with other methods, so they have some self-interest in the game here. Their test kit currently costs $295 (which can be installment purchased over 6 months), and membership tiers exist at monthly costs of $29, $39, or $59, depending on how long in advance one pays. Calorie counting with MFP is free. (No, I don't work for MFP.)
Calorie counting isn't perfect. Especially, it's not the perfect route for everyone.
Yes, most people - calorie counting or otherwise - regain. I think the bigger issue is unrealistic methods, things that can't continue forever while allowing a person happy overall life balance.
Various methods can be used alongside calorie counting, including their recommendation that "Rather than focusing on removing things from your diet, focus on adding vegetables, nuts, seeds, whole grains, legumes, and fermented foods. But if you fancy a slice of cheesecake every once in a while, go for it." Some of those supplementary methods are more sensible and realistic than others, IMO.
I'm far from the only person here who is in the 20% (ZOE article: "And at the 3-year mark, most people — around 80% — are rapidly approaching their starting weight." I'm about 50 pounds below my starting weight, same region where I've been since my initial weight loss via calorie counting over 8 years ago (after around 30 previous years of overweight/obesity). Calorie counting was perfect for me.
Calorie counting isn't the right route for everyone. Some people will stumble over the concerns in the ZOE article, which are indeed potential stumbling points. But a reasonably intelligent, calm pursuit of calorie counting can work well for some people. I'm going to keep hanging around this calorie counting site, trying to help new folks understand how to use calorie counting realistically and productively. It's been hugely powerful for me.
Best wishes, sincerely!9 -
5. "There’s also growing evidence that for some people, it may increase the risk of disordered eating. . . . For instance, a study from 2017 recruited participants with existing eating disorders. . . . Around three-quarters of the participants reported that the calorie counting app contributed to their eating disorder."
This is like asking a group of recovering alcoholics to have lunch every day at a restaurant inside a bar, then getting shocked at how many of them have a relapse to drinking. That does NOT mean a diner inside a bar will cause EVERYBODY to start drinking; if you start with a biased group of people, you get biased results. Sheesh.5 -
Lots of studies saying that any weightloss based on calorie counting isn't even sustainable when they consider the picture over a number of year in those studies. You have to change how and what you eat if you want it to stay off for the rest of your life. Which sucks because for most people that takes some time.
https://zoe.com/learn/why-calorie-counting-doesnt-work A link to the meta-analysis paper is in the article if you prefer to read the original study.
lol, ok
Without counting you have no idea how many calories you're taking in. Once you count for awhile and get a good sense about what X amount of calories then you can slack off a bit.
20 years of counting and being able to back reference what my weight was doing in relation to how I was eating didn't cause any weird eating disorders. People read these articles and then use them to rationalize why they shouldn't count calories and wonder why they're overweight.
People go on the internet and spend an hour looking at cat pictures but say they don't have time to log their food.4 -
Lots of studies saying that any weightloss based on calorie counting isn't even sustainable when they consider the picture over a number of year in those studies. You have to change how and what you eat if you want it to stay off for the rest of your life. Which sucks because for most people that takes some time.
https://zoe.com/learn/why-calorie-counting-doesnt-work A link to the meta-analysis paper is in the article if you prefer to read the original study.
Yeah, basically it perpetuates the belief that it's the fault of the individual and all that's needed is to consume fewer calories, oh, and move more. I suspect that idea isn't going to change for the vast majority of people anytime soon simply because there's almost no support from food or pharma companies that actually support the notion that it's just a calorie problem. It's not in eithers best interest to promote more of a whole food scenario and nutritional science, it would cost both billions of dollars annually, just not going to happen, ever. Counting calories doesn't address the underlying problem of overconsumption and is just addressing the symptom of excess weight. 1 -
Counting is a way to be accountable.
If your weight has been stable and you like your weight then no counting necessary.4 -
Lots of studies saying that any weightloss based on calorie counting isn't even sustainable when they consider the picture over a number of year in those studies. You have to change how and what you eat if you want it to stay off for the rest of your life. Which sucks because for most people that takes some time.
https://zoe.com/learn/why-calorie-counting-doesnt-work A link to the meta-analysis paper is in the article if you prefer to read the original study.
This article you linked is so biased I'm not surprised at all that it is from a marketing department.
Everything Ann and Tom said above is perfect. I can't add anything other than my vote and my experience.
I lost 80ish pounds in 2007-08, from 220 pounds down to 140(ish) at age 54.
I always knew weight was about food, so it was easy for me to Google a "free calorie counting site."
I logged food. I learned from my FOOD diary every day. I made changes, heck I'm still making changes nearly 17 years in and I'm still at that healthy weight of 140(ish,) give or take five pounds seasonally.
It does take [some] discipline, but mostly it's about building good habits. I'm hypothyroid, treated successfully with levothyroxine. I'm post menopause. I still log food every day. I acknowledge lots of people don't continue that but I find it empowering. I eat a wide variety of food with varying macros and calories. How would I know the numbers without logging, or at the very least keeping a journal of some sort? I tried not keeping track and my weight started to creep up.
Like Ann, I eat a full 30% more per day than any calculator tells me I should be able to eat. That's 400-500 more than the calculators tell me. I figured that out by my very-empowering habit of food logging.
No matter whether or not I log food, my body keeps count. I don't want to have to lose that weight again, so I stay ahead of my body by tracking those numbers. 6 -
https://zoe.com/learn/why-calorie-counting-doesnt-work A link to the article.
Snippet from the article intro:
A review and meta-analysis examining 80 weight loss clinical trials provides some evidence. The authors compared different methods of dieting, including low-calorie diets.
They found that a diet focused on drastically reducing caloric intake initially produces dramatic weight loss. But people's weight steadily rises back.
And at the 3-year mark, most people — around 80% — are rapidly approaching their starting weight.
/snippet
The article seems to justify the product they want to sell against diets that "drastically reduce calories" - which is the definition of fad/crash diets, NOT calorie counting.
Their product and eating ideas are just 1 idea of foods to choose and quantity. That is all any diet plan is - someone's idea of what and how much to eat.
Calorie counting is just one way to understand quantity, and is exceptionally flexible - same as other counting systems like Weight Watchers Points or Richard Simmons Deal-a-meal plan based on food exchanges.
Relapse occurs when a person stops efforts to lose or maintain, and starts eating extra.... not the fault of any diet plan or approach.
MFP provides a counting mechanism and helpful information for weight management, but each person puts together their own choices and goals to lose, maintain or gain in a system with a huge learning curve.... and that curve... can seem impossible...
following someone elses simple idea that promises the moon can seem easier for sure, and those get abandoned too... So, yoyo dieting is what a lot of people keep doing and failing through... It's a billion dollar scam industry...3 -
tomcustombuilder wrote: ».
People go on the internet and spend an hour looking at cat pictures but say they don't have time to log their food.
This absolutely made my day. It should go in the MFP Shrine of Gems.4 -
lol, but it’s true!springlering62 wrote: »tomcustombuilder wrote: ».
People go on the internet and spend an hour looking at cat pictures but say they don't have time to log their food.
This absolutely made my day. It should go in the MFP Shrine of Gems.
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springlering62 wrote: »tomcustombuilder wrote: ».
People go on the internet and spend an hour looking at cat pictures but say they don't have time to log their food.
This absolutely made my day. It should go in the MFP Shrine of Gems.
Is it okay to spend an hour on the internet looking at cat pictures as long as you do log your food? (Asking for a friend)9 -
claireychn074 wrote: »springlering62 wrote: »tomcustombuilder wrote: ».
People go on the internet and spend an hour looking at cat pictures but say they don't have time to log their food.
This absolutely made my day. It should go in the MFP Shrine of Gems.
Is it okay to spend an hour on the internet looking at cat pictures as long as you do log your food? (Asking for a friend)
No, because cuteness has so much calories that you'll gain weight. 🐈=🎂 😹3 -
I remember losing weight a lot faster when I took a part time job working for a Chipotle type local restaurant. It was hard physical labor! And I got a delicious free tofu burrito bowl 3 days per week that I'd split for lunch and dinner.0
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And made about $20-25 per hour to lose weight as I was paid hourly plus tips.1
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The fastest way is log and move everyday1
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