I tried going IIFYM today - here are my results
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:laugh: That was my exact thought too!a slice of veggie pizza, thin crust, easy on the cheese?
Maybe. Does it fit your macros?0 -
Ignoring all the haters here and talking only to NonnyMary, who I believe has legit issues and is trying to work through them:
Where are the "haters" you speak of? All i see is 6 pages of people answering her questions in a thoughtful manner, with random playful banter thrown in.
Sorry i don't mean to speak for my "posse".0 -
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1 you've been here two months why would I be following you and know that you out of the tens of thousands of people here believe one or another thing? And if I did know that why would I care?
2 you did not disprove if it fits your macros by intentionally blowing past your macros and then looking back and saying see it didn't work I went past them!
3 you characterized if it fits your macros as being something with no boundaries. You are confused. The term indicates that the macro limits are the boundaries and the focus is on sticking to those boundaries. Try that.
4 the freedom in if it fits your macros is that you aren't worrying if a food is clean or what a caveman ate or combined correctly or raw vegan or Dr. Ox's lastest superfood. All you worry about it if it fits your macronutrient requirements for the day. ***it is a psychologically healthy thing to be agnostic on the moral goodness or badness of a food. All thug good food bad food stuff is crazy and it feeds a disordered relationship with food. Your behavior today sort of proves that***
Just eat food but not too much but enough and enough of the key nutrients. If it fits your macros is a good way to just focus on what is important.
But if you want to buck against that and just do crazy, by all means, go ahead. That's fine, but understand that's your choice and doesn't reflect on the noncrazy people here and the choices they make.0 -
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Ok now i have read your posts - thank you
and i have an understanding of it, but putting to practice is a challenge for me so far.
though i may have been doing it somewhat but calling it by a different name (forget about today, that was an experiment
Now, what i dont get is this - on MFP we ALL are fitting everything in our macros.
So what is the difference between saying 'on MFP i can eat 1600 calories, 35 sugars, etc." and "I do IIFYM".
I dont think there is a difference because MFP is doing IIFYM.
Most people who fly the IIFYM flag are those who disagree with "clean" eating and try to get people to see that you don't have to live on spinach leaves and egg whites. You're absolutely right, we all have to fit our choices into what MFP gives us (or what we tweak MFP to be) but some people are more liberal in their food choices than others.
Yes....I love spinach and egg whites. I would be pretty hard pressed to find in my diary a day that didn't include at least one, but probably both. But part of the reason that I seek out "that type" of food that I love is so that I have room for other things that I love....pizza, chicken wings, cheese, whiskey, etc. And I don't feel bad about it for a second. :drinker:0 -
]]Ignoring all the haters here and talking only to NonnyMary, who I believe has legit issues and is trying to work through them:
First off I'm curious about your calorie goal of 1600. Is that really right for you? Is that artificially low or should you be eating a bit more? I ask because I don't know if 1600 was set manually by you based on realistic goals or if that is what MFP truly recommends. It seems like a low target to me, but I'm not sure. If its low, its unrealistic, you won't be able to stick to it.
A lot of people here won't understand what you're going through because they've never been obese. I was at 280lbs for my peak weight, eating way too much sugar, salt and cals. My portion sizes were too big and I had too much junk food in the mix. I had high blood pressure, high cholesterol, kidney and liver problems, frequent headaches, tired all the time, irritable. I fixed all that with at first small changes to diet, then progressively more changes. It has taken about a year for me to just do basic things and really fix those problems.
I don't think your numbers are that bad because I could easily see that typically they have probably been a lot worse. Ignoring calories for a second, the real issue I see with what you ate today is sugar. Much of my own weight gain was from excessive amounts of sugar, namely soda, but also candy or whatever else. You may not be able to cut it out of your diet right away, but start to work on it. 117g of sugar in a day is horribly excessive. An adult human should have no more than 30-50g of sugar a day, and a single can of soda will have 50g or close to it. Plus its that HFCS which is arguably worse than sugar.
I made immediate progress by cutting out soda from my diet, I recommend you do likewise. Watch your sugar intake and get that number way down. Some bodybuilder or personal trainer might feel comfortable having a soda, but I don't think you can afford it. Those healthier people have never been obese and they don't understand all the complications that go with it.
Likewise on sodium, you should have no more than 2500mg a day and preferably less. I cut mine to 1500 a day, I don't always succeed but I try for it. Most American diets consist of about 5000-6000mg of sodium or more a day, we are all being poisoned by salt. One of those mcd's burgers might be only 400 cals but it could be 1200mg of sodium just right there. Focus on cutting that back too. So in the big picture, 3000mg of sodium is bad but may be a lot better than you've done before. It may be better than most typical American diets. That's better than I was eating at 280lbs.
I would just keep eating and logging and trying to replace unhealthy foods with healthier choices. You need to do a bunch of research on what foods are good and bad. Read labels. Get really serious about it. Just do it incrementally, try and replace one bad snack with a good one. You're gonna keep going over on your numbers for months probably, but just keep trying, keep experimenting, keep trying to change your habits. That's the key thing is you need to replace bad habits with good sustainable habits. No gimmicks or BS, but things you can actually do till you die. You gotta think of it in those terms, if you are trying to force yourself to eat something you just can't stomach, don't do it. Work on eating better than yesterday and finding healthy foods you like.
And an important point with fixing your diet, is also a contradiction, which is never starve yourself. Don't stress if you have to go over now to figure out how not to go over later. Maybe you were eating 3000 cals a day before, and 2000 cals would represent a huge improvement, I don't know. But if you have a day where your target is 2000 and you eat 2500, don't panic. Just analyze what you're eating and pick out those bad actors that gave you calories without filling you up, and work on replacing them with healthier more filling foods.
I don't know your exact experiences, but having been through some real weight loss I assure you it will not be quick or easy. Just keep logging, always eat when you need to but watch your portions and work on replacing bad foods with good ones. You might even have whole months where you are over every day and just not hitting your numbers. That's ok, keep trying, keep researching. Google is your friend, keep searching and learning these subjects, the amount of information out there is enormous. You should be a constant student.
Incidentally my caloric intake is about 2500/day on non-workout days and 3000/day on workout days. Those are my numbers, roughly, to maintain my weight. So if I'm able to eat a bit under that and be satisfied then I'm losing weight- hooray! It has sometimes worked for me to think of it more in terms of here's my maintenance line. Instead of trying to suddenly reverse course and drop weight fast, you could try focusing on "do no more damage" and start with maintenance. Fill your maintenance cals up with better foods, and work down from there. You don't want to feel stressed or as if its hopeless just because you're going over by 300 cals or so, that is really no big deal.
Good luck, I hope this helps you.
yes you quite understand me. I personally believe there are people who must eat food with a different approach (the people who have eating disorders vs ones that just eat too much for another reason);
MFP set my numbers except i changed the sodium to eat around 1600 or less if i can. today was an experiment, but if you look back earlier this week and last week its what i do on a normal basis. I try to keep from starving by not starving myself on purpose, but sometimes you find your in a spot where you are not prepared as you could have been and too tired to go bother going to the store, or whatever, not trying tomake an excuse just saying what was the situation that put me in that spot.
I'm going to continue as i was doing, and if i keep that up i beleive i will make that goal of weight loss by 2 years from now.. its something that i have to live with.
I was reading some threads and i just didn't get them. I think when i read something someone writes like "I ate ice cream, pop tarts, pizza and fried chicken" i need to ask them what that really means in the big picture.. it can be misunderstood by someone from the outside looking in, like WTH are they doing???
I also wanted to check myself because like i have made already about 525 posts, and i advise people when they ask a question about "can i eat anything in moderation" i then am concerned if i am misleading them or what.0 -
Ok now i have read your posts - thank you and i have an understanding of it, but putting to practice is a challenge for me so far.
though i may have been doing it somewhat but calling it by a different name (forget about today, that was an experiment
Now, what i dont get is this - on MFP we ALL are fitting everything in our macros.
So what is the difference between saying 'on MFP i can eat 1600 calories, 35 sugars, etc." and "I do IIFYM".
I dont think there is a difference because MFP is doing IIFYM.
You're absolutely correct. MFP is set up in iifym style. It's the users the start with the Eat Clean and Sugar is the Devil and Wheat Belly crap.0 -
I can't speak for most IIFYM folks, but I eat a helluva lot of spinach and egg whites. That's precisely *how* I'm able to eat a small dessert at lunch and dinner.Most people who fly the IIFYM flag are those who disagree with "clean" eating and try to get people to see that you don't have to live on spinach leaves and egg whites. You're absolutely right, we all have to fit our choices into what MFP gives us (or what we tweak MFP to be) but some people are more liberal in their food choices than others.0 -
''Ignoring all the haters here and talking only to NonnyMary, who I believe has legit issues and is trying to work through them:
Where are the "haters" you speak of? All i see is 6 pages of people answering her questions in a thoughtful manner, with random playful banter thrown in.
Sorry i don't mean to speak for my "posse".
no man you are exactly correct. and no one here has "haters" that f*cking word is so damn overused
oh yeah everyone has been so helpful and patient with me, i know they've probably seen my concerns over and over and i appreciate those who have taken time to explain what they feel is a simple concept.. for some reason i haven't been able to grasp it,, but i have reasons, i think i dont want to grasp it because to me it would give me too much liberty for the things which i dont want to include in my diet because i think they may lead me to trouble. (like today! oh i could have done worse easy!!! 0 -
Ok now i have read your posts - thank you and i have an understanding of it, but putting to practice is a challenge for me so far.
though i may have been doing it somewhat but calling it by a different name (forget about today, that was an experiment
Now, what i dont get is this - on MFP we ALL are fitting everything in our macros.
So what is the difference between saying 'on MFP i can eat 1600 calories, 35 sugars, etc." and "I do IIFYM".
I dont think there is a difference because MFP is doing IIFYM.
There isn't a difference as far as MFP goes, since it's clearly set up for you to be able to track your macros.
However there are a lot of people who don't do that (calories only) or care less about macros and more about not eating/only eating certain kinds of foods.0 -
I did not read all the other responses so forgive me if you've already clarified the point of this thread. I just have no idea what you're trying to prove.
IIFYM means 'If It Fits Your Macros', not 'If It Fits (in) Your Mouth'.
What you did is not fit anything into your macros so I don't know what the problem is. :flowerforyou:0 -
'Ok now i have read your posts - thank you and i have an understanding of it, but putting to practice is a challenge for me so far.
though i may have been doing it somewhat but calling it by a different name (forget about today, that was an experiment
Now, what i dont get is this - on MFP we ALL are fitting everything in our macros.
So what is the difference between saying 'on MFP i can eat 1600 calories, 35 sugars, etc." and "I do IIFYM".
I dont think there is a difference because MFP is doing IIFYM.
You're absolutely correct. MFP is set up in iifym style. It's the users the start with the Eat Clean and Sugar is the Devil and Wheat Belly crap.
ok so your making sense here.. i see that now in your examples.0 -
I eat a hell of a lot of spinach, eggs, chicken, tuna, etc.0
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I did not read all the other responses so forgive me if you've already clarified the point of this thread. I just have no idea what you're trying to prove.
IIFYM means 'If It Fits Your Macros', not 'If It Fits (in) Your Mouth'.
What you did is not fit anything into your macros so I don't know what the problem is. :flowerforyou:
oh basically that food and me have issues 0 -
Omg.... Lol0
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I eat a hell of a lot of spinach, eggs, chicken, tuna, etc.
So do I. Half of my freezer is chicken breasts/tenders/thighs. I have a shelf in my cupboard just for tuna (And I buy it at costco, so...a lot of tuna) and I go through spinach like crazy.
I eat these things so I can get my nutrition, make my calories, and then have my cookies and ice cream or pizza later.0 -
I think it may be that you don't have the ability or at least desire to do the calculation necessary to ensure that what you put in your facehole meets your nutritional needs, moreso than something giving you too much liberty. You already have all the liberty, you just make choices with everything you put in your mouth. But if you can't or aren't willing, that's fine. I can't sing worth a damn, and though I can cook, I am not often willing to, but that doesn't make me less worthy than someone who can sing beautifully or chooses to cook often. It's just a difference of personal style. You can eat "clean", stick to your calorie limit, and make sure you're eating a balanced diet and you'll do fine.oh yeah everyone has been so helpful and patient with me, i know they've probably seen my concerns over and over and i appreciate those who have taken time to explain what they feel is a simple concept.. for some reason i haven't been able to grasp it,, but i have reasons, i think i dont want to grasp it because to me it would give me too much liberty for the things which i dont want to include in my diet because i think they may lead me to trouble. (like today! oh i could have done worse easy!!!0 -
So,since we all are basically doing IIFM, what do you all see as things about our way of eating (diet if you will) that you reject?
I see someone said fads like wheat belly or clean eating, etc.
I think if a person WANTS to eat cleaner food which means less processing with preservatives, added sugars, added salts, for example, that is ok. I mean, if i want to eat beef stew with fresh carrots, peas, potatoes, my own seasonings, that to me is a "clean" meal. but that might open up another can of worms here lol...
I guess you mean don't fear food if it is a perfectly good food.. not to get obsessive about it.
Well i hope in my efforts to be a help and encouragement to anyone i have not steered anyone wrong.0 -
I think it may be that you don't have the ability or at least desire to do the calculation necessary to ensure that what you put in your facehole meets your nutritional needs, moreso than something giving you too much liberty. You already have all the liberty, you just make choices with everything you put in your mouth. But if you can't or aren't willing, that's fine. I can't sing worth a damn, and though I can cook, I am not often willing to, but that doesn't make me less worthy than someone who can sing beautifully or chooses to cook often. It's just a difference of personal style. You can eat "clean", stick to your calorie limit, and make sure you're eating a balanced diet and you'll do fine.oh yeah everyone has been so helpful and patient with me, i know they've probably seen my concerns over and over and i appreciate those who have taken time to explain what they feel is a simple concept.. for some reason i haven't been able to grasp it,, but i have reasons, i think i dont want to grasp it because to me it would give me too much liberty for the things which i dont want to include in my diet because i think they may lead me to trouble. (like today! oh i could have done worse easy!!!
I will - thank you 0 -
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Keep trying don't give up. Decide if u want pizza or ur health
Both! You can have pizza and your health too.
a slice of veggie pizza, thin crust, easy on the cheese?
OK see, that's where you're going to lose people. If that's YOUR choice, fine. But don't say that a slice of cheesy pepperoni that someone else has fit in their goals is unhealthy.
Ok i see the difference in your example. 0 -
OP is making this thread go round in circles
I tend to overthink and analyze something sometimes too much.. i just say its me being o.c.d. but i have to get to sleep soon.0 -
Some people just have to cut certain foods out because they trigger binges.
There is no way I can eat 1/2 cup of ice cream. There is no way I can eat one pop tart.
I paid the price with what started out as mcdonalds shake which led to a 2 day binge.
Some people can eat everything in moderation. Some can't.
Bingo! THATS WHAT IM AFRAID OF!
I felt that way too. But it's called willpower, and trust me...it's not some magical thing that people already have.
Just like you train to run a 10k or to lift heavier weights....educating yourself, taking it a step at a time and working towards a healthy relationship with food (by not demonizing it or/and freaking out when you have pizza, etc now and again)....this encourages you to be able to make better choices for you overall (food wise and mentally).
I'm not saying I don't slip now and again and overeat or eat because of stress and such...but the times I do get less and less and as it gets less, I find I gain more willpower and confidence in myself.0 -
IIFYM means 'If It Fits Your Macros', not 'If It Fits (in) Your Mouth'.
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yes you quite understand me. I personally believe there are people who must eat food with a different approach (the people who have eating disorders vs ones that just eat too much for another reason);
MFP set my numbers except i changed the sodium to eat around 1600 or less if i can. today was an experiment, but if you look back earlier this week and last week its what i do on a normal basis. I try to keep from starving by not starving myself on purpose, but sometimes you find your in a spot where you are not prepared as you could have been and too tired to go bother going to the store, or whatever, not trying tomake an excuse just saying what was the situation that put me in that spot.
I'm going to continue as i was doing, and if i keep that up i beleive i will make that goal of weight loss by 2 years from now.. its something that i have to live with.
I was reading some threads and i just didn't get them. I think when i read something someone writes like "I ate ice cream, pop tarts, pizza and fried chicken" i need to ask them what that really means in the big picture.. it can be misunderstood by someone from the outside looking in, like WTH are they doing???
I also wanted to check myself because like i have made already about 525 posts, and i advise people when they ask a question about "can i eat anything in moderation" i then am concerned if i am misleading them or what.
So just curious, what are your goals? Are you trying to lose 1lb a week? More or less?0 -
IIFYM means precisely that we do not worry about things like "clean" or "sugar" or "wheat" or "organic" or "preservatives" or "sodium". There's nothing whatsoever wrong with eating organic, clean, whatever, but none of that stuff will *ensure* that you meet your macros. Only planning, pre-logging, making adjustments if necessary and adding it all up will do that.
We're not all doing IIFYM. Some people don't give a rat's patoot if they get even a reasonable amount of protein, let alone a good amount, as long as they're under their calories and they don't eat any refined sugar or white flour (say). It drives me cray cray, but then again, they probably get itchy teeth from looking at the amount of processed food I often eat.
We don't mean that "we don't fear food if it is a perfectly good food", because I don't assign moral values (good/bad) to food. I don't fear food. Period. End of subject. I refuse to give it that power over me (anymore). I'm the one in charge.
I personally weigh the cost/benefit of most foods to see if I'm getting a good nutrition bang for the calorie buck. If I don't, and I haven't met my macro goals yet, I pass on that food.
I don't think it has anything to do with obsessive or not. Trust me, I could get *very* obsessive with IIFYM, but I am working hard on not getting back to an obsessive place with my weight loss efforts, because I know that way lies Binge City again.
But if you know how to meet your macros and you're consistently eating in such a way that does meet your macros, you *can* be very relaxed about it once you find your routine. You just have to be conscientious while you're dialing in the one that works for you. Then you can be more relaxed.So,since we all are basically doing IIFM, what do you all see as things about our way of eating (diet if you will) that you reject?
I see someone said fads like wheat belly or clean eating, etc.
I think if a person WANTS to eat cleaner food which means less processing with preservatives, added sugars, added salts, for example, that is ok. I mean, if i want to eat beef stew with fresh carrots, peas, potatoes, my own seasonings, that to me is a "clean" meal. but that might open up another can of worms here lol...
I guess you mean don't fear food if it is a perfectly good food.. not to get obsessive about it.
Well i hope in my efforts to be a help and encouragement to anyone i have not steered anyone wrong.0 -
So,since we all are basically doing IIFM, what do you all see as things about our way of eating (diet if you will) that you reject?
I see someone said fads like wheat belly or clean eating, etc.
I think if a person WANTS to eat cleaner food which means less processing with preservatives, added sugars, added salts, for example, that is ok. I mean, if i want to eat beef stew with fresh carrots, peas, potatoes, my own seasonings, that to me is a "clean" meal. but that might open up another can of worms here lol...
I guess you mean don't fear food if it is a perfectly good food.. not to get obsessive about it.
Well i hope in my efforts to be a help and encouragement to anyone i have not steered anyone wrong.
I don't think anyone has a problem should someone choose to eat "cleaner" foods. MOst people eat those foods regularly themselves
Whatever you choose, just leave out the sense of superiority towards others0 -
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yes you quite understand me. I personally believe there are people who must eat food with a different approach (the people who have eating disorders vs ones that just eat too much for another reason);
MFP set my numbers except i changed the sodium to eat around 1600 or less if i can. today was an experiment, but if you look back earlier this week and last week its what i do on a normal basis. I try to keep from starving by not starving myself on purpose, but sometimes you find your in a spot where you are not prepared as you could have been and too tired to go bother going to the store, or whatever, not trying tomake an excuse just saying what was the situation that put me in that spot.
So just curious, what are your goals? Are you trying to lose 1lb a week? More or less?
My goal is to lose 1-2 pounds a week. To also get ahold of food so that it is just what it is - food - and not as a substitute for love, calmness, emotions, fun, boredom, etc. (to conquer food addictions);
to get slimmer for better health, to be able to walk more than 2 blocks, and regain my energy and to go out dancing again !!!0
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