thoughts on ozempic and the like

neanderthin

Yeah but I don't think the receptors in every single cell that we've generated over the last 2 million years were waiting around for a drug to make us healthy.

MsCzar

I seem to be in the ~13% non-responder category.
Been on Wegovy since May and have not seen any of the incredible results so often touted.

Corina1143

Have you seen the new Nestle's Boost that is supposed to do the same thing as wegovy, zepbound, etc?
It's 125 ml, about 1/2 cup, 10 grams protein, low sugar. At $10.99 a 4-pack, it's about $247/30 days 3 meals a day. Much cheaper than drugs?
Suggested you drink 1 container 30 minutes before each meal. Would 1/2 cup water or milk or clear soup lower your appetite as much? Would 10 grams worth of protein made with your favorite protein drink?
Just thoughts.

AnnPT77

Corina1143 wrote: »

Have you seen the new Nestle's Boost that is supposed to do the same thing as wegovy, zepbound, etc?
It's 125 ml, about 1/2 cup, 10 grams protein, low sugar. At $10.99 a 4-pack, it's about $247/30 days 3 meals a day. Much cheaper than drugs?
Suggested you drink 1 container 30 minutes before each meal. Would 1/2 cup water or milk or clear soup lower your appetite as much? Would 10 grams worth of protein made with your favorite protein drink?
Just thoughts.

There are foods that tend to increase natural GLP-1 production in the body. The effect doesn't last as long in the body as the drugs do, but it's complicated.

If that's the mechanism we're talking about, then water, milk, clear soup, or protein powder (with nothing else significant in it) probably wouldn't have that effect. Like I said, it's complicated, but as a loose generalization, the foods that increase natural GLP-1 tend to be high in certain fiber types or contain certain types of fats. Transit time matters from the standpoint of how long the effect lasts, I think.

I'd be cautious, because I think the research is still evolving, and there's lots of woo-woo on the web about the subject.

neanderthin

Corina1143 wrote: »

Have you seen the new Nestle's Boost that is supposed to do the same thing as wegovy, zepbound, etc?
It's 125 ml, about 1/2 cup, 10 grams protein, low sugar. At $10.99 a 4-pack, it's about $247/30 days 3 meals a day. Much cheaper than drugs?
Suggested you drink 1 container 30 minutes before each meal. Would 1/2 cup water or milk or clear soup lower your appetite as much? Would 10 grams worth of protein made with your favorite protein drink?
Just thoughts.

What Nestle is actually saying is that consuming their formulation can help manage blood sugar levels for people with diabetes and use the terminology like "Glucose Control", "HELP MANAGE BLOOD SUGAR", "DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WITH DIABETES."

Well, that is no doubt a health claim which needs to have FDA approval, which they do not. There's actually a class action lawsuit against Nestle for their misleading claims and that the products do not control glucose levels as advertised, it's actually a silly presupposition and quite arrogant in believing they could actually get away with making claims like this, in my opinion of course.

For example their boost formula has 16g's of protein, 4g's of carbs, all sugars, and 9g's of fat totaling 190 calories
4 ounces of boneless skinless chicken breast is 26g's or protein, no carbs, 2g's of fat for a total of 125 calories. Even beef flank steak will have around the same calories as Boost with 23 g's of protein and about 10g's of fat

The chicken breast will elicit a smaller glucose response and therefore be more effective than any random let alone formulated protein drink, so will the steak.

Here's the total ingredient list for Nestlé Boost Glucose Control:

Water, Milk Protein Concentrate, Tapioca Dextrin, Canola Oil, and Less Than 2% of:

Fructose
Soy Protein Isolate
Cocoa Processed with Alkali
Calcium Caseinate
Sodium Caseinate
Fructooligosaccharides

Vitamins and Minerals (Calcium Phosphate, Sodium Ascorbate, Choline Bitartrate, Magnesium Phosphate, Ascorbic Acid, DL-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate, Ferric Pyrophosphate, Zinc Sulfate, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Vitamin A Palmitate, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Copper Sulfate, Chromium Chloride, Folic Acid, Potassium Iodide, Vitamin K1, Sodium Selenite, Biotin, Vitamin D3, Sodium Molybdate, Vitamin B12)

As well as Partially Hydrolyzed Guar Gum, Salt, Cellulose Gel and Gum, Soy Lecithin, Sucralose, Carrageenan, Natural and Artificial Flavor

Corina1143

neanderthin

Semaglutide is the active ingredient in the medication of wegovy and it's actually a synthetic analog of GLP-1, meaning it's designed to resemble GLP-1 closely in the body and whey protein isolates are not that but simply a nutrient when consumed with food will slow digestion, period, but so do vegetables and fat. The gap between whey protein isolates or chicken breast is a canyon compared to an actual synthetic analog of a GLP-1 agonist, not the same thing at all.

Saying it "Promotes GLP-1 natural response to a meal" is disingenuous and taking advantage by way of marketing and imo shameful simply because they know better, that is, what Nestles is doing is supplying the foods that are contributing to the health crisis and then reformulate those same foods to offer a health solution, a cure to obesity, crazy stuff really unless of course, your a shareholder of Nestle.

Corina1143

So @neanderthin, what you are basically saying is
Nestle is following the lead of big Pharma and government agencies who take $ from specific interest groups to promote their products? Or ?

Lady_Magenta

Nothing in life is easy. I don't know it all, but over the years I have learned a lot about myself and life in general. Now at 61 I know:

It's not easy to raise children.
It's not easy to keep a marriage happy for decades.
It's not easy to live through a divorce or a break-up.
It's not easy to give up smoking, drinking or drugs.
It's not easy to pay off a mortgage every month.
It's not easy to bury and mourn loved ones.
It's not easy to love a pet and have to put it to sleep.
It's not easy to get a degree or an education.
It's not easy to get to work every day.
It's not easy to be sick.
It's not easy to be fat.
It's not easy to stay sane in a world that seems to get insaner by the day.
It's not easy to keep my values.
It's not easy to be nice and kind.

Weight loss is hard, and staying healthy is hard.
Being morbidly obese is hard. Being unable to move as you wish is hard.

If you want something bad enough you will give it your all, even if it hurts at times. At the end of my journey I want to pet my shoulder and be proud of myself, I don't want to congratulate the pharma industry on their financial gains.

I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes in August this year (also with high blood pressure and high -bad- cholesterol numbers). My A1C is now down to 5.7 (borderline). Monday is the next blood work and I am excited. It's me doing it. It's not a medication, an injection, or a pill. It's all me. I have lost 'only' 37 pounds and have 100 more to lose (rephrase ***I am going to lose 100 more***.)

I have been offered Ozempic and I said "NO, not if I can help it!". Why! Because I have taken medications for decades already (chronic pain disease/autoimmune disorder). There are always side effects even if they show up after 10, 20, or 30 years. Everything has a price!~ I have gained 80 pounds in 10 years, just a side effect .

Corina1143

I'm not interested in taking these products at this point.
Just interested in Nestle's claims. Not even picking on Nestle in particular.
I can't find a protein bar, jerky, or any high protein snack that would be quick and easy to run in and pick up when I'm out and about and get hungry that isn't full of more chemicals than food. I usually settle for a Larabar. Closer to a candy bar than a protein bar, but healthier than anything else I see.

Why?

Back to the new Boost. I did the figures. IF you thought it would work like the drugs (big IF!), then Isopure whey isolate in the same portions would cost $64.66/mo at my local Walmart. Of course you would have to supply the flavor and that would add cost and calories. Doesn't matter, cause I agree it won't work the same as the drugs.
However, I do think the whey isolate instead of the Boost would produce the same result at a considerable $ saving.
And it's an interesting idea. People have been saying for a long time that a glass of water before meals lowers appetite. Protein lowers appetite for many people. Many people supplement protein intake. Just thoughts.