Bulking and gaining muscle...do you need to do it?
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Do whatever you're comfortable with, don't let people tell you what to do. However, there is some sound advice on here and from the sounds of it, if you want a tapered V shape then lifting is the way forward.
Running is still healthy though, just personal preference.0 -
eat more calories than you think you need and do intense training and cardio 5-6 days/week. good luck!0
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It really depends on your goals. If you DON'T like lifting, and don't like how your body feels and looks, then don't.0
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Why are people still playing with this obvious troll? I left my original responses up because I think it can help any lurkers that stumble onto this post but there's no reason to keep engaging the OP
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Why are people still playing with this obvious troll? I left my original responses up because I think it can help any lurkers that stumble onto this post but there's no reason to keep engaging the OP
and what makes you think i'm a troll?0 -
eat more calories than you think you need and do intense training and cardio 5-6 days/week. good luck!
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Yea.. I'm done lifting. I'm sticking to running.
But I thought you lost a bunch of weight running and were unhappy with the results? So you're going to keep going and be happier?
Get yourself on a non-retarded beginners routine. Heavy is a bollocks term. Just means heavy for you. Doesn't mean busting a nut and putting up a PR everytime you enter a gym or going to failure time and again.
Go over to bodybuilding.com and check out all pro's routine. test your 10RMs for all the lifts and spend 6 months running the routine as written. Then come back and tell me you're unhappy with how you look.
Will do, see you in 6 months0 -
i'm trying to gain muscle, I don't really care about lifting heavier weights
Ok this is just crazy.. I read this topic.. Do you want to drop BF% or do you want to gain muscle? If you want to gain muscle you need to probably eat very close to your TDEE and lift weights.. like heavy weights to you.. so if your lifting 5 lb now you need to increase to a point where its difficult to lift them.
If you just want to drop bf% eat close to your tdee and get the correct amount of protein and calories into your day.. a huge deficit will not help you achieve either of the goals your looking for.. it will just help you with the scale, not with your body.0 -
i'm trying to gain muscle, I don't really care about lifting heavier weights
Ok this is just crazy.. I read this topic.. Do you want to drop BF% or do you want to gain muscle? If you want to gain muscle you need to probably eat very close to your TDEE and lift weights.. like heavy weights to you.. so if your lifting 5 lb now you need to increase to a point where its difficult to lift them.
If you just want to drop bf% eat close to your tdee and get the correct amount of protein and calories into your day.. a huge deficit will not help you achieve either of the goals your looking for.. it will just help you with the scale, not with your body.
i'd like to drop bf%0 -
i'm trying to gain muscle, I don't really care about lifting heavier weights
Ok this is just crazy.. I read this topic.. Do you want to drop BF% or do you want to gain muscle? If you want to gain muscle you need to probably eat very close to your TDEE and lift weights.. like heavy weights to you.. so if your lifting 5 lb now you need to increase to a point where its difficult to lift them.
If you just want to drop bf% eat close to your tdee and get the correct amount of protein and calories into your day.. a huge deficit will not help you achieve either of the goals your looking for.. it will just help you with the scale, not with your body.
I do lift heavy, but I can't exactly do it to a point to where I can't lift them because I don't have a spotter0 -
hows this an "obvious troll"?Why are people still playing with this obvious troll? I left my original responses up because I think it can help any lurkers that stumble onto this post but there's no reason to keep engaging the OP0 -
i'm trying to gain muscle, I don't really care about lifting heavier weights
Ok this is just crazy.. I read this topic.. Do you want to drop BF% or do you want to gain muscle? If you want to gain muscle you need to probably eat very close to your TDEE and lift weights.. like heavy weights to you.. so if your lifting 5 lb now you need to increase to a point where its difficult to lift them.
If you just want to drop bf% eat close to your tdee and get the correct amount of protein and calories into your day.. a huge deficit will not help you achieve either of the goals your looking for.. it will just help you with the scale, not with your body.
I do lift heavy, but I can't exactly do it to a point to where I can't lift them because I don't have a spotter
Then lift dumbbells, shish. This isn't rocket science. I am not going to chit rainbows in your face. The fact is, you don't want it. You don't want the results. Because if you did, you would do what it takes to get the results. You want someone to tell you how to do the same thing, and get different results. That doesn't happen.
If you want to build muscle, eat at a 250 calorie per day surplus and get on a proper beginner routine. You will gain weight. YOU CAN NOT GAIN MUSCLE WITHOUT GAINING WEIGHT. MUSCLE IS NOT SOME MAGICAL WEIGHTLESS SUBSTANCE. But at such a moderate surplus, very little of that weight will be fat.
If you want to lose weight, eat at around a 500 calorie per day deficit, while still being on at least a 3x per week lifting routine to maintain muscle mass.
Or don't lift, and lose muscle along with fat. And enjoy going from fat to skinny-fat and still never being happy with your options.
Or do nothing and stay the same. Those four are your only options. You can b!tch and whine about it all you want, or you can grow a pair and do something about it. I don't care either way.0 -
hows this an "obvious troll"?
Are you not reading the responses from the OP? How much more do you have to read before you realize you're being toyed with? It was obvious from the 4th or 5th response. Probably earlier0 -
hows this an "obvious troll"?
Are you not reading the responses from the OP? How much more do you have to read before you realize you're being toyed with? It was obvious from the 4th or 5th response. Probably earlier
what because i'm replying with super positive answer... that makes me a troll?0 -
i'm trying to gain muscle, I don't really care about lifting heavier weights
Ok this is just crazy.. I read this topic.. Do you want to drop BF% or do you want to gain muscle? If you want to gain muscle you need to probably eat very close to your TDEE and lift weights.. like heavy weights to you.. so if your lifting 5 lb now you need to increase to a point where its difficult to lift them.
If you just want to drop bf% eat close to your tdee and get the correct amount of protein and calories into your day.. a huge deficit will not help you achieve either of the goals your looking for.. it will just help you with the scale, not with your body.
I do lift heavy, but I can't exactly do it to a point to where I can't lift them because I don't have a spotter
Then lift dumbbells, shish. This isn't rocket science. I am not going to chit rainbows in your face. The fact is, you don't want it. You don't want the results. Because if you did, you would do what it takes to get the results. You want someone to tell you how to do the same thing, and get different results. That doesn't happen.
If you want to build muscle, eat at a 250 calorie per day surplus and get on a proper beginner routine. You will gain weight. YOU CAN NOT GAIN MUSCLE WITHOUT GAINING WEIGHT. MUSCLE IS NOT SOME MAGICAL WEIGHTLESS SUBSTANCE. But at such a moderate surplus, very little of that weight will be fat.
If you want to lose weight, eat at around a 500 calorie per day deficit, while still being on at least a 3x per week lifting routine to maintain muscle mass.
Or don't lift, and lose muscle along with fat. And enjoy going from fat to skinny-fat and still never being happy with your options.
Or do nothing and stay the same. Those four are your only options. You can b!tch and whine about it all you want, or you can grow a pair and do something about it. I don't care either way.
fine... i'll lose the muscle0 -
i'm trying to gain muscle, I don't really care about lifting heavier weights
Ok this is just crazy.. I read this topic.. Do you want to drop BF% or do you want to gain muscle? If you want to gain muscle you need to probably eat very close to your TDEE and lift weights.. like heavy weights to you.. so if your lifting 5 lb now you need to increase to a point where its difficult to lift them.
If you just want to drop bf% eat close to your tdee and get the correct amount of protein and calories into your day.. a huge deficit will not help you achieve either of the goals your looking for.. it will just help you with the scale, not with your body.
I do lift heavy, but I can't exactly do it to a point to where I can't lift them because I don't have a spotter
Then lift dumbbells, shish. This isn't rocket science. I am not going to chit rainbows in your face. The fact is, you don't want it. You don't want the results. Because if you did, you would do what it takes to get the results. You want someone to tell you how to do the same thing, and get different results. That doesn't happen.
If you want to build muscle, eat at a 250 calorie per day surplus and get on a proper beginner routine. You will gain weight. YOU CAN NOT GAIN MUSCLE WITHOUT GAINING WEIGHT. MUSCLE IS NOT SOME MAGICAL WEIGHTLESS SUBSTANCE. But at such a moderate surplus, very little of that weight will be fat.
If you want to lose weight, eat at around a 500 calorie per day deficit, while still being on at least a 3x per week lifting routine to maintain muscle mass.
Or don't lift, and lose muscle along with fat. And enjoy going from fat to skinny-fat and still never being happy with your options.
Or do nothing and stay the same. Those four are your only options. You can b!tch and whine about it all you want, or you can grow a pair and do something about it. I don't care either way.
fine... i'll lose the muscle
Your mental road block is based on the logic that you've worked so hard to lose weight. I see it differently.
You worked so hard to lose FAT. Fat and weight are different things.
So you worked so hard to lose fat, great. Now you can work hard to gain MUSCLE as opposed to fat. When you've gained 8-10 lbs of muscle you can go back to concentrating on losing fat again. Just see it as taking a break and being able to eat a bit more for a couple months.
OR you can continue to cut (I think you said you're ~20% BF?) You still have the ability to lose lots of body fat % by cutting. Just make sure you're getting appropriate protein levels (~1g/lb of bw) and lift enough to CHALLENGE yourself. You don't have to go to failure, in fact, the argument can be made that when you're cutting, you shouldn't EVER go to failure. This way you don't NEED a spotter. Do you see where I'm going with this?
You seem to have all these misconceptions of things you need, "i need a spotter, I need to lift to failure, I need to look fatter when I gain muscle.." You don't need any of that stuff. Just make progress, see your lifts increase week by week, see your body fat % drop week by week on a cut. Whatever your goal, just make sure you're seeing progress.0 -
The advice doesn't matter, the problem is fear.
This...0 -
hows this an "obvious troll"?
Are you not reading the responses from the OP? How much more do you have to read before you realize you're being toyed with? It was obvious from the 4th or 5th response. Probably earlier
At least you're not getting trolled in your inbox. OP has given me the personal touch! I'm a special boy!
Or, I'm "a brain dead meathead" depending on your point of view....0 -
i'm trying to gain muscle, I don't really care about lifting heavier weights
Ok this is just crazy.. I read this topic.. Do you want to drop BF% or do you want to gain muscle? If you want to gain muscle you need to probably eat very close to your TDEE and lift weights.. like heavy weights to you.. so if your lifting 5 lb now you need to increase to a point where its difficult to lift them.
If you just want to drop bf% eat close to your tdee and get the correct amount of protein and calories into your day.. a huge deficit will not help you achieve either of the goals your looking for.. it will just help you with the scale, not with your body.
I do lift heavy, but I can't exactly do it to a point to where I can't lift them because I don't have a spotter
Then lift dumbbells, shish. This isn't rocket science. I am not going to chit rainbows in your face. The fact is, you don't want it. You don't want the results. Because if you did, you would do what it takes to get the results. You want someone to tell you how to do the same thing, and get different results. That doesn't happen.
If you want to build muscle, eat at a 250 calorie per day surplus and get on a proper beginner routine. You will gain weight. YOU CAN NOT GAIN MUSCLE WITHOUT GAINING WEIGHT. MUSCLE IS NOT SOME MAGICAL WEIGHTLESS SUBSTANCE. But at such a moderate surplus, very little of that weight will be fat.
If you want to lose weight, eat at around a 500 calorie per day deficit, while still being on at least a 3x per week lifting routine to maintain muscle mass.
Or don't lift, and lose muscle along with fat. And enjoy going from fat to skinny-fat and still never being happy with your options.
Or do nothing and stay the same. Those four are your only options. You can b!tch and whine about it all you want, or you can grow a pair and do something about it. I don't care either way.
fine... i'll lose the muscle
Your mental road block is based on the logic that you've worked so hard to lose weight. I see it differently.
You worked so hard to lose FAT. Fat and weight are different things.
So you worked so hard to lose fat, great. Now you can work hard to gain MUSCLE as opposed to fat. When you've gained 8-10 lbs of muscle you can go back to concentrating on losing fat again. Just see it as taking a break and being able to eat a bit more for a couple months.
OR you can continue to cut (I think you said you're ~20% BF?) You still have the ability to lose lots of body fat % by cutting. Just make sure you're getting appropriate protein levels (~1g/lb of bw) and lift enough to CHALLENGE yourself. You don't have to go to failure, in fact, the argument can be made that when you're cutting, you shouldn't EVER go to failure. This way you don't NEED a spotter. Do you see where I'm going with this?
You seem to have all these misconceptions of things you need, "i need a spotter, I need to lift to failure, I need to look fatter when I gain muscle.." You don't need any of that stuff. Just make progress, see your lifts increase week by week, see your body fat % drop week by week on a cut. Whatever your goal, just make sure you're seeing progress.
you're right, I should probably challenge myself more in the weight room. I just feel that if I don't start lifting insane amounts of weight that i'm not making any progress. Like I've been benching 155 for the last year and haven't made any progress at all. So when I get told to gain weight to get stronger, I obviously have a fear against it0 -
you're right, I should probably challenge myself more in the weight room. I just feel that if I don't start lifting insane amounts of weight that i'm not making any progress. Like I've been benching 155 for the last year and haven't made any progress at all. So when I get told to gain weight to get stronger, I obviously have a fear against it
Progressive overload only requires that you do more workload. You can stay at 155 and just increase reps or sets until you're comfortable with upping the weight.
Ie, say you do 3x5 @ 155. Try doing 6/6/5 @ 155, then 6/6/6 @ 155, then 7/7/6 @ 155 work your WHEY up to 8/8/8 @ 155 then you shouldn't have an issue doing say... 5/5/3 or 4 @ 165.0 -
you're right, I should probably challenge myself more in the weight room. I just feel that if I don't start lifting insane amounts of weight that i'm not making any progress. Like I've been benching 155 for the last year and haven't made any progress at all. So when I get told to gain weight to get stronger, I obviously have a fear against it
You don't have to gain weight to get stronger.
Muscle Mass =/= Increased Strength per se.
Increased Strength =/= Increased Mass either.
Do you want mass, strength, or both?0 -
you're right, I should probably challenge myself more in the weight room. I just feel that if I don't start lifting insane amounts of weight that i'm not making any progress. Like I've been benching 155 for the last year and haven't made any progress at all. So when I get told to gain weight to get stronger, I obviously have a fear against it
You don't have to gain weight to get stronger.
Muscle Mass =/= Increased Strength per se.
Increased Strength =/= Increased Mass either.
Do you want mass, strength, or both?
I want to increase my muscle mass, I feel that i'm fairly strong right now. I want to look better0 -
you're right, I should probably challenge myself more in the weight room. I just feel that if I don't start lifting insane amounts of weight that i'm not making any progress. Like I've been benching 155 for the last year and haven't made any progress at all. So when I get told to gain weight to get stronger, I obviously have a fear against it
Progressive overload only requires that you do more workload. You can stay at 155 and just increase reps or sets until you're comfortable with upping the weight.
Ie, say you do 3x5 @ 155. Try doing 6/6/5 @ 155, then 6/6/6 @ 155, then 7/7/6 @ 155 work your WHEY up to 8/8/8 @ 155 then you shouldn't have an issue doing say... 5/5/3 or 4 @ 165.
I should try that once I finish the current program I am on0 -
you're right, I should probably challenge myself more in the weight room. I just feel that if I don't start lifting insane amounts of weight that i'm not making any progress. Like I've been benching 155 for the last year and haven't made any progress at all. So when I get told to gain weight to get stronger, I obviously have a fear against it
You don't have to gain weight to get stronger.
Muscle Mass =/= Increased Strength per se.
Increased Strength =/= Increased Mass either.
Do you want mass, strength, or both?
I want to increase my muscle mass, I feel that i'm fairly strong right now. I want to look better
Yep, then you need to eat properly and lift.0 -
Professional bodybuilders seem to have the muscle building thing figured out pretty well. They are constantly bulking (eating over their TDEE with proper macros) & lifting heavy to pack on muscle prior to cutting and getting ripped for competitions. It's a never ending cycle for those guys/gals.0
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hows this an "obvious troll"?
Are you not reading the responses from the OP? How much more do you have to read before you realize you're being toyed with? It was obvious from the 4th or 5th response. Probably earlier
At least you're not getting trolled in your inbox. OP has given me the personal touch! I'm a special boy!
Or, I'm "a brain dead meathead" depending on your point of view....
Oh, (s)he's sending me PMs too. But I don't play games with trolls via PM. Keep that ish out in the open on the message boards0 -
I think they look better during the bulk than the cut to be honest, being too ripped looks weird imo0
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Oh look, the thread with the guy who wants to gain weight, but doesn't want to gain weight is still going.0
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Thanks to the few people that helped me out0
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There a troll here, it's not me mate. You're either trolling us, or have body issues that you should prob seek help with. Either way, there is little anyone in here can say because you're not able to or unwilling to listen to actually advice. So meh.Oh look, the thread with the guy who wants to gain weight, but doesn't want to gain weight is still going.
oh look, the trolling C*nt is back0
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