These are disgusting

fitfreakymom

http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/6/10/salvation-army-says-gays-need-to-be-put-to-death#

discriminating against gays.


http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1009502&playlistId=1.1467335&binId=1.810401&playlistPageNum=1#1009502

treating war vets like crap

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/former-soldier-s-service-dog-refused-entry-to-gym-1.1864315

and last but not least, discriminating against people with disabilities.

CometMeebru

freedom of speech

VeganLexi

I wonder how long this thread will last before the "god squad" jump all over it :laugh:

fitfreakymom

I give it a couple of hrs, lol. but these are three businesses that I will not support now that's for sure. We have friends that are gay and we are a military family that are also dealing with the possibility of PTSD.

VeganLexi

I give it a couple of hrs, lol. but these are three businesses that I will not support now that's for sure. We have friends that are gay and we are a military family that are also dealing with the possibility of PTSD.

Sorry to hear that :flowerforyou:

I adore Richard Dawkins.

BeachGingerOnTheRocks

I'm not a devout anything, but I am a big proponent of truth. I don't believe everything people put on the internet, and neither should you.

For people like me who are skeptical of nonsense and have a pretty decent bs meter, I am glad there are organizations like Snopes. I'm also glad there is Google and that I can read.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/salvationarmy.asp

Is the Salvation Army is a Christian organization? Yes, of course it is.

Does it support execution of gay parents? No. Of course not.

Arguments like this based on a big pile of propaganda don't do a whole lot to validate an argument.

fitfreakymom

Just looked up Richard Dawkins and he seems to be an interesting read.

fitfreakymom

http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/6/10/salvation-army-says-gays-need-to-be-put-to-death#

discriminating against gays.


http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1009502&playlistId=1.1467335&binId=1.810401&playlistPageNum=1#1009502

treating war vets like crap

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/former-soldier-s-service-dog-refused-entry-to-gym-1.1864315

and last but not least, discriminating against people with disabilities.

Just noticed I had two of the same articles up there, the other one is about target.

rjmudlax13

I'm not very religious. In fact, I would describe myself as agnostic.

All of my first hand dealings with the Salvation Army have been great. They are an outstanding organization and one of the best charities out there. I'm going to go on my first hand experience rather than some article. I'm not naive though. I'm sure an organization that is run by Evangelical Christians have some negative views against homosexuality based on their faith. If they are so extreme to the point where their official policy is to kill gays or something that, that would be unacceptable, but I would need more proof.

fitfreakymom

apparently what the man in the interview ment by his comment was that the behaviour of being gay is what needs to die, not the person themselves. But I still think I will support agencies that do not judge people based on sexuality and disabilities and definitely will not support Target after the thing on the news about them making the vets stand outside in the cold to sell their poppies. I will go to a locally owned business/ Canadian business to buy my poppies where they do not make the vets stand outside.

taunto

Oh hey! Lets make a thread about something I read on the interwebs just to start some argument because I need to prove that I believe in my believes and my little believies are precious to me!

As a man of faith who isn't a Christian and have stood up for the rights of Atheists, gays and freedom of speech, articles like these hurt the actual cause and next time perhaps it would be best if people thought before posting.

UsedToBeHusky

Oh hey! Lets make a thread about something I read on the interwebs just to start some argument because I need to prove that I believe in my believes and my little believies are precious to me!

As a man of faith who isn't a Christian and have stood up for the rights of Atheists, gays and freedom of speech, articles like these hurt the actual cause and next time perhaps it would be best if people thought before posting.

I thought about reading those articles. But then I read this and now I am of the believies that I don't really want to.

rml_16

I'm not a devout anything, but I am a big proponent of truth. I don't believe everything people put on the internet, and neither should you.

For people like me who are skeptical of nonsense and have a pretty decent bs meter, I am glad there are organizations like Snopes. I'm also glad there is Google and that I can read.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/salvationarmy.asp

Is the Salvation Army is a Christian organization? Yes, of course it is.

Does it support execution of gay parents? No. Of course not.

Arguments like this based on a big pile of propaganda don't do a whole lot to validate an argument.

Thank you. Now let's see how many people actually read YOUR post.

UncleMac

Google "Richard Dawkins paedophiles" and enjoy some light reading.

Dawkins later expanded on his comments, claiming he did not intend to minimize or excuse the impact of so-called mild paedophiles and offered something rare from a public figure... an apology...

It seems like nowadays folks are quick to claim discrimination rather than trying to resolve conflicts on the spot... although the PTSD vet with the service dog might have a difficult time to do so since PTSD sometimes results in a great reluctance/fear of conflict due to emotional triggers.

Laces_0ut

i have no problem with the gym banning a PTSD dog from entering. that could be a huge safety issue. and i know i dont a dog walking around while im lifting weights.

UncleMac

i have no problem with the gym banning a PTSD dog from entering. that could be a huge safety issue. and i know i dont a dog walking around while im lifting weights.

If the guy was blind, would you have a similar objection to him using a service dog?

BeachIron

Everyone knows that the owner of Globo Gym is a bit of a jerk . . .

Greenrun99

Just go to Fox News.. Your 1 stop shop for ignorance.

Laces_0ut

i have no problem with the gym banning a PTSD dog from entering. that could be a huge safety issue. and i know i dont a dog walking around while im lifting weights.

If the guy was blind, would you have a similar objection to him using a service dog?

no.

sakuragreenlily

i have no problem with the gym banning a PTSD dog from entering. that could be a huge safety issue. and i know i dont a dog walking around while im lifting weights.

If the guy was blind, would you have a similar objection to him using a service dog?

It honestly doesn't matter if you have a personal objection to it or not... It's civil rights law. Denying a service animal entry is illegal. There are very few circumstances in which an establishment may ask a patron and their service animal to leave.

These circumstances have everything to do with behaviors that are occurring not behaviors you suspect might occur (e.g., the dog has to be posing a safety risk or acting out of control... you can't just say "I think the dog MIGHT pose a safety risk")... Services animals are even legally allowed to enter food prep establishments where health codes specifically prohibit pets because they are not considered "pets."

Hornsby

http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/salvationarmy.asp

dpwm9d

I am a member of the "God Squad", as you put it, but that does not automatically make me a advocate for murdering gays, or those who oppose my views. I think that statement is ridiculous.

I do believe in free speech, the same right that individuals who oppose my beliefs are granted, I am as well. Therefore, it is an individual's God given right to be gay or practice whatever lifestyle choice they choose. By the same token the freedom of speech act grants citizens the right to freely oppose certain lifestyle choice. As a mature christian adult, I would not discriminate against those who choose to practice their rights, whether I agree or not, by not patronizing their establishment. I believe doing so make me a bully, attempting to pressure those who oppose to change their views to mine. It undermines the very nature of free speech. I think acceptance of those who disagree with my beliefs is essential, and captures the very essence in which the law was created.

Laces_0ut

It honestly doesn't matter if you have a personal objection to it or not... It's civil rights law. Denying a service animal entry is illegal. There are very few circumstances in which an establishment may ask a patron and their service animal to leave.

These circumstances have everything to do with behaviors that are occurring not behaviors you suspect might occur (e.g., the dog has to be posing a safety risk or acting out of control... you can't just say "I think the dog MIGHT pose a safety risk")... Services animals are even legally allowed to enter food prep establishments where health codes specifically prohibit pets because they are not considered "pets."

the laws are the same in canada?

Hornsby

Therefore, it is an individual's God given right to be gay or practice whatever lifestyle choice they choose.

Credibility is out the window if you think being gay is a choice in my opinion.

sakuragreenlily

It honestly doesn't matter if you have a personal objection to it or not... It's civil rights law. Denying a service animal entry is illegal. There are very few circumstances in which an establishment may ask a patron and their service animal to leave.

These circumstances have everything to do with behaviors that are occurring not behaviors you suspect might occur (e.g., the dog has to be posing a safety risk or acting out of control... you can't just say "I think the dog MIGHT pose a safety risk")... Services animals are even legally allowed to enter food prep establishments where health codes specifically prohibit pets because they are not considered "pets."

the laws are the same in canada?

Good question! I actually wasn't sure on this... after some quick research it seems, for most provinces, yes. I just skimmed some information provided by Assistance Dogs International (ADI) (which is apparently a coalition of not for profit assistance dog organizations). So I'd say more research is definitely warranted.

Melissa22G

I'm not a devout anything, but I am a big proponent of truth. I don't believe everything people put on the internet, and neither should you.

For people like me who are skeptical of nonsense and have a pretty decent bs meter, I am glad there are organizations like Snopes. I'm also glad there is Google and that I can read.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/salvationarmy.asp

Is the Salvation Army is a Christian organization? Yes, of course it is.

Does it support execution of gay parents? No. Of course not.

Arguments like this based on a big pile of propaganda don't do a whole lot to validate an argument.

I believe everything YOU say on the internet.

+5

joolywooly33

I am not religious, however my dealings with the Salvation Army have found nothing but kindness and compassion (including to gay people). My son ever goes to one of their clubs…..don’t believe everything you read on the internet!

just_Jennie1

Oh hey! Lets make a thread about something I read on the interwebs just to start some argument because I need to prove that I believe in my believes and my little believies are precious to me!

This.

And the fact that I personally don't like opening up random links since I don't know whether or not they are a virus.

Alex_is_Hawks

i have no problem with the gym banning a PTSD dog from entering. that could be a huge safety issue. and i know i dont a dog walking around while im lifting weights.

but it's not the DOG that has PTSD, the dog calms the guy down when he triggers from a PTSD. It's essentially a service dog...

KathleenMurry

I am a member of the "God Squad", as you put it, but that does not automatically make me a advocate for murdering gays, or those who oppose my views. I think that statement is ridiculous.

I do believe in free speech, the same right that individuals who oppose my beliefs are granted, I am as well. Therefore, it is an individual's God given right to be gay or practice whatever lifestyle choice they choose. By the same token the freedom of speech act grants citizens the right to freely oppose certain lifestyle choice. As a mature christian adult, I would not discriminate against those who choose to practice their rights, whether I agree or not, by not patronizing their establishment. I believe doing so make me a bully, attempting to pressure those who oppose to change their views to mine. It undermines the very nature of free speech. I think acceptance of those who disagree with my beliefs is essential, and captures the very essence in which the law was created.

Nice to be open minded and believe in free speech...just one correction - being gay is not a choice. Nobody just hits their pre-teens and decides to be attracted to the same sex. If people could choose, a lot of gay/lesbian/bisexual people would not be so because of the bullying, judgement and violence many have dealt with.

Laces_0ut

i have no problem with the gym banning a PTSD dog from entering. that could be a huge safety issue. and i know i dont a dog walking around while im lifting weights.

but it's not the DOG that has PTSD, the dog calms the guy down when he triggers from a PTSD. It's essentially a service dog...

i dont think those kind of service dogs(dogs for anxiety and the like) should be allowed where dogs arent allowed. planes, gyms, etc....