Calories in clean food vs junk food?
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Latest MSG study in rural China shows that MSG contributes to obesity in humans, regardless of caloric intake and activity.
Yup, not biased at all...
Better stop eating organic foods
I can't even tell what you're trying to say in this one. It's biased because a study was done in China and you hate China? It was done on obese patients regardless of intake/activity and therefore biased? And what does that graphic have to do with establishing bias by an information resource? Geez, this is exhausting. Do you know what "bias" means?
*Yawn* I'm going to take a nap.
Let's see it says contributes, the actual study says is associated with, ie. Correlated to. Two totally different things, yet the site you linked fails to note that
Don't forget to stop eating tomatoes as well. If correlation = causation, then tomatoes are extremely dangerous, even fatal.
"Ninety-two point four per cent of juvenile delinquents have eaten to-
matoes.
Eighty-seven point one per cent of the adult criminals in penitentiaries
throughout the United States have eaten tomatoes.
Informers reliably inform that of all known American Communists
ninety-two point three per cent have eaten tomatoes.
Eighty-four per cent of all people killed in automobile accidents during
the year 1984 had eaten tomatoes.
Those who object to singling out specific groups for statistical proofs
require measurements within in the total. Of those people born before the year
1850, regardless of race, color, creed or caste, and known to have eaten
tomatoes, there has been one hundred per cent mortality!
In spite of their dread addiction, a few tomato eaters born between 1850
and 1900 still manage to survive, but the clinical picture is poor-their
bones are brittle, their movements feeble, their skin seamed and wrinkled,
their eyesight failing, hair falling, and frequently they have lost all their
teeth.
Those born between 1900 and 1950 number somewhat more survivors,
but the overt signs of the addiction's dread effects differ not in kind but only
in degree of deterioration. Prognostication is not hopeful.
Exhaustive experiment shows that when tomatoes are withheld from an
addict, invariably his cravings will cause him to turn to substitutes-such
as oranges, or steak and potatoes. If both tomatoes and all substitutes are
persistently withheld-death invariably results within a short time!
The skeptic of apocryphal statistics, or the stubborn nonconformist who
will not accept the clearly proved conclusions of others may conduct his
own experiment.
Obtain two dozen tomatoes-they may actually be purchased within a
block of some high schools, or discovered growing in a respected neigh-
bor's back yard!-crush them to a pulp in exactly the state they would have
if introduced into the stomach, pour the vile juice into a bowl, and
place a goldfish therein. Within minutes the goldfish will be dead!
Those who argue that what affects a goldfish might not apply to a human
being may, at their own choice, wish to conduct a direct experiment by fully
immersing a live human head* into the mixture for a full five minutes."0 -
All I know is I'd be starving with 1200 calories of junk food. So I don't do it.0
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I just had 2 Chocolate chip cookie dough Pop Tarts. You mad???
Outraged :mad:
lol enjoy one for me!
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Preservatives aren't ALL they add ... there are chemicals added to junk food and processed fast food to make you want more. Intentionally! MSG is in EVERYTHING you eat in restaurants and frozen dinners and cans and bags (unless it says otherwise). It comes under many different names and (autolyzed yeast extract, hydrolyzed protein, etc.) and you can learn all about it at MSGTruth.org (I was just having a similar conversation on another thread, so going to share this here too). The calorie may be a calorie but the added chemicals can really mess with your metabolism and your hunger. MSG is among the worst. Why do they add it to foods? From MSGTRuth.org:
Why do food companies add MSG to foods?
There are several reasons:
MSG tricks your tongue into making you think a certain food is high in protein and thus nutritious. It is not a "meat tenderizer". It is not a "preservative". The food industry is trying to confuse the issue by focusing on the "fifth" taste sense they call umami. Free glutamic acid is detected by the taste buds as a simple way to signal the presence of protein in a food, just as there are fat receptors to detect fats and receptors that sense carbohydrate or sweet flavors. The purpose is to help us discern real food from inedible matter. It changes your perception of not simply taste but the nutritious qualities of what you put into your mouth. However, and here is the main problem with free glutamic acid - It is the very same neurotransmitter that your brain and many organs including your ears, eyes, nervous system and pancreas in your body use to initiate certain processes in your body.
MSG stimulates the pancreas to produce insulin. So many diets these days are concerned about the Glycemic Index of foods and yet none of them address the fact that MSG and free glutamic acid stimulate the pancreas to release insulin when there doesn't even have to be carbohydrates in the food for that insulin to act on. The food industry has found their own "anti-appetite suppressant". It's a convenient way to keep consumers coming back for more. The blood sugar drops because of the insulin flood. And you are hungry an hour later. Sound familiar?
The body changes excess glutamate to GABA. GABA may be addictive. It is calming and affects the same receptors in the brain as valium.
Cost. The illusion created by adding MSG to a food product enables the food processor to add LESS real food. The illusion of more protein in a food allows the food producer to put LESS protein in it. The consumer perceives the product - say chicken soup - to have more chicken in it than is actually there. Example: A well-known brand of dehydrated chicken noodle soup. Is that chicken in there, or a piece of confetti?
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So while a calorie is a calorie as a unit of energy, not all calories are created equally. Some nourish, some really mess you up and make your road a lot tougher than it has to be.
MSGTruth.org
EDIT: Think about this: Rats aren't fat naturally.Scientists inject them with MSG to make them fat so that they can do obesity related research on them. What do you think that means for those who eat MSG several times a day? Just something to think about.
Great point my buddy went on the net and did some research on this on Rense
Obesity Secret Ignored
By Dr. Russell Blaylock
11-23-7
I am convinced that one of the leading causes of obesity is being totally ignored by both by public officials and the media, despite the fact that there is tremendous scientific evidence confirming its role.
In 1969, neuroscientist Dr. John Olney discovered that feeding newborn rats MSG (monosodium glutamate) caused them to become grossly obese.
Each time he repeated the experiment, he saw the same thing. Subsequent studies have shown that this phenomenon occurred in most animal species, indicating that it wasn't something peculiar to the rat.
The effects of MSG are now so well established that the substance is routinely used in experimental obesity studies on animals.
In fact, scientists have also discovered how it was producing the obesity.
For over fifty years, researchers knew that a pinpoint injury to certain parts of the hypothalamus portion of the brain would cause an animal to become grossly obese. What they would later discover was that MSG itself actually destroys the same area in the hypothalamus.
An intensive 1995 review of MSG toxicity by the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology (FASEB) concluded that infant formula contained a dose of glutamate (the toxic ingredient in MSG) in the form of caseinate (cow's milk protein) that would sufficiently produce the very same brain injury seen in experimental animals.
Disturbingly humans are five times more susceptible to MSG toxicity than even the most sensitive lab animal. And babies are four times more sensitive than adults. It is this early exposure to MSG and other excitotoxins that leads to gross obesity.
Actually, the problem is much worse than that.
Recent studies have shown that obese animals actually have the metabolic syndrome, which is now seen in 50 million adults in the United States. You will remember from my previous newsletter "The Diabetes Solution" that the metabolic syndrome is the cause of type-2 diabetes as well as hypertension and atherosclerosis.
Essentially, science proves that excitotoxins can trigger the metabolic syndrome and obesity.
And we know that the level of excitotoxins added to our food is at least equal to (and sometimes exceeds) the amount needed to produce the metabolic syndrome in animals. Yet only a handful of scientists are addressing this alarming association.
Recent studies have shown that glutamate (MSG and other excitotoxins) can powerfully stimulate the insulin-producing cells of the pancreas.
Excess insulin can cause atherosclerosis, hypertension and the type-2 diabetes - by stimulating chronic inflammation. And remember that insulin resistance can also lead to high insulin levels. Of course, the obese MSG animals experience all this as well.
It all fits in with what we are seeing in human beings. And one other part of the obesity puzzle has recently been pieced together.
In discussions about obesity, you may have heard about something called leptin. This enigmatic chemical is produced in the fat cells and controls many things, including fat accumulation.
Normally, when leptin surges into the blood, it enters the brain and acts within a specific group of neurons inside the hypothalamus to powerfully suppress the appetite and increase fat burning, thereby making us thinner.
But MSG and other excitotoxins damage the very nucleus of brain cells needed to do this. Those cells are known as the arcuate nucleus.
In fact, this vital collection of neurons is the area of the brain most sensitive to excitotoxins. In experiments, MSG rendered leptin ineffective, causing the animals to become grossly obese. Scientists call this leptin resistance, an occurrence linked to obesity in both children and adults.
Also, excitotoxins like MSG cause more glucose to enter fat cells, preventing it from being burned in muscle cells as it should. As a result, more fat accumulates - especially around organs and within the abdomen (visceral fat).
You may recall from the diabetes newsletter that this visceral fat is the root of all the of the metabolic syndrome's bad effects. The bottom line:
We see that the excitotoxins added to our food can induce gross obesity through a number of mechanisms.
And we must remember that while it is soon after birth that a child is first exposed to foods containing MSG and other excitotoxins, the effects persist for a lifetime.
Unbelievably, dietitians, medical doctors and many public institutions are promoting the use of "diet" soft drinks and other foods sweetened with aspartame (NutraSweet, Equal, etc) as the answer to the problem of obesity.
Aspartame is made up of three components: phenylalanine, methanol and aspartic acid. Aspartic acid (aspartate), like glutamate, is an excitotoxin.
It is just as capable as glutamate of doing damage to cells and brain nuclei.
In fact, one of the acknowledged effects of aspartame is weight gain.
The FDA even lists increased weight as one result of using the sweetener. Like glutamate, aspartame stimulates the pancreas to secrete insulin, making you hungry - especially for sweets. And the more you drink, the hungrier you get. Just like glutamate, aspartame destroys the arcuate nucleus, which in turn produces leptin resistance. As a result, you get fat.
Dr. Blaylock is author of Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills, and other books and tapes: www.russellblaylockmd.com He also has a newsletter - www.blaylockreport.com0 -
Preservatives aren't ALL they add ... there are chemicals added to junk food and processed fast food to make you want more. Intentionally! MSG is in EVERYTHING you eat in restaurants and frozen dinners and cans and bags (unless it says otherwise). It comes under many different names and (autolyzed yeast extract, hydrolyzed protein, etc.) and you can learn all about it at MSGTruth.org (I was just having a similar conversation on another thread, so going to share this here too). The calorie may be a calorie but the added chemicals can really mess with your metabolism and your hunger. MSG is among the worst. Why do they add it to foods? From MSGTRuth.org:
Why do food companies add MSG to foods?
IThere are several reasons:
MSG tricks your tongue into making you think a certain food is high in protein and thus nutritious. It is not a "meat tenderizer". It is not a "preservative". The food industry is trying to confuse the issue by focusing on the "fifth" taste sense they call umami. Free glutamic acid is detected by the taste buds as a simple way to signal the presence of protein in a food, just as there are fat receptors to detect fats and receptors that sense carbohydrate or sweet flavors. The purpose is to help us discern real food from inedible matter. It changes your perception of not simply taste but the nutritious qualities of what you put into your mouth. However, and here is the main problem with free glutamic acid - It is the very same neurotransmitter that your brain and many organs including your ears, eyes, nervous system and pancreas in your body use to initiate certain processes in your body.
MSG stimulates the pancreas to produce insulin. So many diets these days are concerned about the Glycemic Index of foods and yet none of them address the fact that MSG and free glutamic acid stimulate the pancreas to release insulin when there doesn't even have to be carbohydrates in the food for that insulin to act on. The food industry has found their own "anti-appetite suppressant". It's a convenient way to keep consumers coming back for more. The blood sugar drops because of the insulin flood. And you are hungry an hour later. Sound familiar?
The body changes excess glutamate to GABA. GABA may be addictive. It is calming and affects the same receptors in the brain as valium.
Cost. The illusion created by adding MSG to a food product enables the food processor to add LESS real food. The illusion of more protein in a food allows the food producer to put LESS protein in it. The consumer perceives the product - say chicken soup - to have more chicken in it than is actually there. Example: A well-known brand of dehydrated chicken noodle soup. Is that chicken in there, or a piece of confetti?
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So while a calorie is a calorie as a unit of energy, not all calories are created equally. Some nourish, some really mess you up and make your road a lot tougher than it has to be.
MSGTruth.org
EDIT: Think about this: Rats aren't fat naturally.Scientists inject them with MSG to make them fat so that they can do obesity related research on them. What do you think that means for those who eat MSG several times a day? Just something to think about.
Thank you for posting this. I still eat MSG, as I am sure most of us do, but since becoming more aware of it I can avoid it easier. I used to crave McDonalds every day. After breaking myself of eating it, my cravings left and it has been months since I have had food from there.
agree knowledge is power , my buddy and I are doing our own research on leptin production and its importance in monitoring hunger signals and thus our weight gain.
This board relies to much on "BRO Science" and hostile attacks with no real science based evidence to support the attackers poistion other than their POV.0 -
Preservatives aren't ALL they add ... there are chemicals added to junk food and processed fast food to make you want more. Intentionally! MSG is in EVERYTHING you eat in restaurants and frozen dinners and cans and bags (unless it says otherwise). It comes under many different names and (autolyzed yeast extract, hydrolyzed protein, etc.) and you can learn all about it at MSGTruth.org (I was just having a similar conversation on another thread, so going to share this here too). The calorie may be a calorie but the added chemicals can really mess with your metabolism and your hunger. MSG is among the worst. Why do they add it to foods? From MSGTRuth.org:
Why do food companies add MSG to foods?
IThere are several reasons:
MSG tricks your tongue into making you think a certain food is high in protein and thus nutritious. It is not a "meat tenderizer". It is not a "preservative". The food industry is trying to confuse the issue by focusing on the "fifth" taste sense they call umami. Free glutamic acid is detected by the taste buds as a simple way to signal the presence of protein in a food, just as there are fat receptors to detect fats and receptors that sense carbohydrate or sweet flavors. The purpose is to help us discern real food from inedible matter. It changes your perception of not simply taste but the nutritious qualities of what you put into your mouth. However, and here is the main problem with free glutamic acid - It is the very same neurotransmitter that your brain and many organs including your ears, eyes, nervous system and pancreas in your body use to initiate certain processes in your body.
MSG stimulates the pancreas to produce insulin. So many diets these days are concerned about the Glycemic Index of foods and yet none of them address the fact that MSG and free glutamic acid stimulate the pancreas to release insulin when there doesn't even have to be carbohydrates in the food for that insulin to act on. The food industry has found their own "anti-appetite suppressant". It's a convenient way to keep consumers coming back for more. The blood sugar drops because of the insulin flood. And you are hungry an hour later. Sound familiar?
The body changes excess glutamate to GABA. GABA may be addictive. It is calming and affects the same receptors in the brain as valium.
Cost. The illusion created by adding MSG to a food product enables the food processor to add LESS real food. The illusion of more protein in a food allows the food producer to put LESS protein in it. The consumer perceives the product - say chicken soup - to have more chicken in it than is actually there. Example: A well-known brand of dehydrated chicken noodle soup. Is that chicken in there, or a piece of confetti?
=============================
So while a calorie is a calorie as a unit of energy, not all calories are created equally. Some nourish, some really mess you up and make your road a lot tougher than it has to be.
MSGTruth.org
EDIT: Think about this: Rats aren't fat naturally.Scientists inject them with MSG to make them fat so that they can do obesity related research on them. What do you think that means for those who eat MSG several times a day? Just something to think about.
Thank you for posting this. I still eat MSG, as I am sure most of us do, but since becoming more aware of it I can avoid it easier. I used to crave McDonalds every day. After breaking myself of eating it, my cravings left and it has been months since I have had food from there.
agree knowledge is power , my buddy and I are doing our own research on leptin production and its importance in monitoring hunger signals and thus our weight gain.
This board relies to much on "BRO Science" and hostile attacks with no real science based evidence to support the attackers poistion other than their POV.
Yeah yeah, you and your body have a trainer and a doctor and a nutristiont and you throw out perfectly good food because you lack the fundamental human trait called willpower, and insist on making anything that doesn't make your personal approved list seem like the debil.
We get it. We know. You and Buddy are super smart and clearly doing a way better job than the rest of us.0 -
The only thing I learned from this thread is that you shouldn't inject MSG.
Now what am I going to do on my Friday nights?
*throws hands up*0 -
in...for the never ending MFP brawl between clean and junk0
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Preservatives aren't ALL they add ... there are chemicals added to junk food and processed fast food to make you want more. Intentionally! MSG is in EVERYTHING you eat in restaurants and frozen dinners and cans and bags (unless it says otherwise). It comes under many different names and (autolyzed yeast extract, hydrolyzed protein, etc.) and you can learn all about it at MSGTruth.org (I was just having a similar conversation on another thread, so going to share this here too). The calorie may be a calorie but the added chemicals can really mess with your metabolism and your hunger. MSG is among the worst. Why do they add it to foods? From MSGTRuth.org:
Why do food companies add MSG to foods?
There are several reasons:
MSG tricks your tongue into making you think a certain food is high in protein and thus nutritious. It is not a "meat tenderizer". It is not a "preservative". The food industry is trying to confuse the issue by focusing on the "fifth" taste sense they call umami. Free glutamic acid is detected by the taste buds as a simple way to signal the presence of protein in a food, just as there are fat receptors to detect fats and receptors that sense carbohydrate or sweet flavors. The purpose is to help us discern real food from inedible matter. It changes your perception of not simply taste but the nutritious qualities of what you put into your mouth. However, and here is the main problem with free glutamic acid - It is the very same neurotransmitter that your brain and many organs including your ears, eyes, nervous system and pancreas in your body use to initiate certain processes in your body.
MSG stimulates the pancreas to produce insulin. So many diets these days are concerned about the Glycemic Index of foods and yet none of them address the fact that MSG and free glutamic acid stimulate the pancreas to release insulin when there doesn't even have to be carbohydrates in the food for that insulin to act on. The food industry has found their own "anti-appetite suppressant". It's a convenient way to keep consumers coming back for more. The blood sugar drops because of the insulin flood. And you are hungry an hour later. Sound familiar?
The body changes excess glutamate to GABA. GABA may be addictive. It is calming and affects the same receptors in the brain as valium.
Cost. The illusion created by adding MSG to a food product enables the food processor to add LESS real food. The illusion of more protein in a food allows the food producer to put LESS protein in it. The consumer perceives the product - say chicken soup - to have more chicken in it than is actually there. Example: A well-known brand of dehydrated chicken noodle soup. Is that chicken in there, or a piece of confetti?
=============================
So while a calorie is a calorie as a unit of energy, not all calories are created equally. Some nourish, some really mess you up and make your road a lot tougher than it has to be.
MSGTruth.org
EDIT: Think about this: Rats aren't fat naturally.Scientists inject them with MSG to make them fat so that they can do obesity related research on them. What do you think that means for those who eat MSG several times a day? Just something to think about.
uh oh she's baaaaaaaackkkkkkkk...
so I take it you don't like MSG...?0 -
MSG was causing my obesity all along??? Here I was worried that I used to be fat because of my lack of physical activity and from over-eating. I guess as long as I avoid MSG, I can go back to sitting around all day and not worrying how many calories I consume. 0
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Hi
If I were to eat 1200 calories in junk food vs eat 1200 clean what difference would it make?
I know that eating clean is the best way to go just interested in the difference??
Thanks so much (:
Nutrition.0 -
Hi
If I were to eat 1200 calories in junk food vs eat 1200 clean what difference would it make?
I know that eating clean is the best way to go just interested in the difference??
Thanks so much (:
psh I had a choice this evening...a serving of cottage cheese and 2 cups of grapes....
delicious, nutrious and would have fit my macros....
or
6 KFC Wings and milk duds...mega good
Delicious, nutrious and fit my macros...
Difference is the wings filled me up and I am finally not hungry.
"clean" vs "junk"
Nutrition.
ETA: I washed it all down with a diet coke and this was after my workout...0 -
I just stay at my calorie range, and eat a mixture of junk food and healthy food. I can't see going through the rest of my life without eating doritos or doughnuts. That would be torture, and would set me up for a surefire binge, big time!
BTW, I gotta take some pics of myself. Everyone will think I'm Frosty the Snowman.0 -
Gimme mo brah-science, I can't get enuff...0
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"Clean" food and "junk" food, besides being highly varied in definition, are not related to calorie levels. I can assure you that my grandmother's apple pie recipe is as clean (meaning composed of real food ingredients) but one piece would set me back nearly a third of my total daily calories.
Quite a few people are militant about the "clean food" issue. . . me? I try to make the main part of my diet whole, real food that I prepare myself. But I also make pie from sugar-free Jello pudding, I eat a snack-size candy bar from time to time, I have a little diet 7-Up, and store-bought angel food cake. Those things satisfy my sweet tooth while allowing me to stay at my calorie goal. It hasn't been a problem.0 -
My Buddy is reading Michael Moss;'s book "Salt
Fat Sugar ,and how the food giants hooked us ", my buddy borrowed it from the library the other day. A library is a good thing. When I was in school I didn't enjoy all this learning and reading of articles I didn't think it was was fun but now I am seeing the importance and how it affects me and buddy and the rest of world. This should be taught in schools.
It would make science and chemistry and health so much more meaningful . It should be mandatory education for young people.
Moss has sampled some of the processed foods without the added "natural flavors" including msg. {just a chemcial mixture }
and bottom line , they couldn't sell the stuff it tastes so bad. So when you think about clean food think you don't have to add a chemical concotion to an apple,pear, orange ,, banana, oatmeal, whole wheat flour, lard, milk, butter, cheese, fruits and berries, to make them taste better. That is the difference between clean food and processed toxins.0 -
This helped me decide on what to eat to fulfill my calories. Also, junk food usually doesn't have the essential nutrients that your body needs.
That is fantastic, it visually shows the difference, not only that Real Food takes ever so much longer to digest so it doesn't leave you hungry and wanting to eat more. Processed food does just that, burns off real fast and then we want to eat more and more.0 -
Every time you see junk food please remember that it was developed in a lab and tested on hundreds of people to make you eat more and 'never' reach a saturation. 0
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Ah the never ending battle between Clean and dirty eating, and do you know what im off to have a cookie because i can0
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personally i noticed a MASSIVE distance in my running performance when i ate good whole food vs junk. i cut almost 2 mins from my 5km time in 2 weeks when i cut out junk. weight loss wise it might not make such a difference, my brother eats 1meal a day and its usually either burger king burgers or dominos pizza and desserts and hes very very skinny0
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