Is this going TOO far???
Hello everyone!
So today was an interesting day at work....VERY interesting.....
One of the doctors in our clinic is Pro low carb, no more than 20g/day outside of the list of acceptable foods, and director of his own lifestyle management weight loss clinic. He is currently working with another physician here in our area to promote this new "K. E. Diet" which to my understanding is basically a feeding tube through your nose and down your throat pumping an 800 calorie Fat/Protein/Water solution into your stomach each day.
The expectation is that you could lose 20lbs in 10 days or 10% of your body weight. No eating at all, only water, unsweet tea, or black coffee. This "diet" is something they supposedly got from Europe but all I have seen in videos is Americans. It seems like people are using it as a crash diet and most of the videos they state it's to help them lose weight before their wedding. There were 6 people from our clinic chosen to give this 7 day $1500 procedure a go. Only one of the participants is considered overweight/obese. The rest are pretty petite women with about 15-30lbs to lose.
Do you think this is TOO extreme? Dangerous? Maybe even lazy?
I'm curious to see what others think about this.
So today was an interesting day at work....VERY interesting.....
One of the doctors in our clinic is Pro low carb, no more than 20g/day outside of the list of acceptable foods, and director of his own lifestyle management weight loss clinic. He is currently working with another physician here in our area to promote this new "K. E. Diet" which to my understanding is basically a feeding tube through your nose and down your throat pumping an 800 calorie Fat/Protein/Water solution into your stomach each day.
The expectation is that you could lose 20lbs in 10 days or 10% of your body weight. No eating at all, only water, unsweet tea, or black coffee. This "diet" is something they supposedly got from Europe but all I have seen in videos is Americans. It seems like people are using it as a crash diet and most of the videos they state it's to help them lose weight before their wedding. There were 6 people from our clinic chosen to give this 7 day $1500 procedure a go. Only one of the participants is considered overweight/obese. The rest are pretty petite women with about 15-30lbs to lose.
Do you think this is TOO extreme? Dangerous? Maybe even lazy?
I'm curious to see what others think about this.
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That you even need to ask...
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In my professional opinion (I'm a Speech Pathologist), this is definitely going too far. Anyone who should need a feeding tube through the nose usually does not have the ability to safely swallowing food/fluid/saliva without it going into the lungs and creating a chest infection.
At the end of the day, you need to train your brain on what's healthy, being able to identify when behaviours will influence how we eat...etc. Trying to lose weight by just not eating, will do two things: you don't learn what you should/shouldn't put into your mouth for weight loss thus people will just gain weight again, and you increase your chances of losing your swallowing skills and therefore create a swallowing problem.
ETA: You might as well just wire the jaw shut. Has the same effect really.0 -
Wow. Yes, this is going too far. By a lot. Way too far.0
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Way too far.0 -
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It seems message boards have been reduced to posting funny pictures, good luck getting a constructive discussion going.0
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Wow, this is sad and disturbing
It make me angry at physicians that should know better
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:noway: I think that the only 'next step' would be gaffa tape over the mouth. :frown: :huh:0
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It seems message boards have been reduced to posting funny pictures, good luck getting a constructive discussion going.
What exactly is there to discuss? It is an 800 calorie per day feeding tube. Not only is it a VLCD, but the person does not learn how to eat properly, which will cause them to simply put the weight back on. Not only that, but to lose 20lbs of fat/muscle mass in 10 days you'd have to have a daily deficit of 7,000 calories, which isn't happening in this case, which means the person is losing mainly water weight and becoming dehydrated.0 -
Yes, way too far. I think feeding tubes are to be used for the most dire of situations, like if someone has lost their ability to swallow food like an earlier poster has mentioned. I didn't think anyone would ever volunteer to be on a feeding tube, not to mention pay a lot of money for that kind of torture...0
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I lost about that much on the Breakup Diet. I lived on apple cider for two weeks. It wasn't on purpose.0
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As someone who had this 'diet' via a pic line forced on them when they were very very sick I can tell you it's WAY too far. I lost 30 pounds in a month, because I had pancreatitis and couldn't eat ANYTHING until the inflammation went away. I was weak, and unhappy and unable to function HENCE WHY I WAS IN A HOSPITAL! Yeah, it was kinda nice to suddenly fit into size 10 again when I finally got out of the hospital, but I DO NOT believe this is a responsible choice as a strictly weightloss plan.0
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Hello everyone!
So today was an interesting day at work....VERY interesting.....
One of the doctors in our clinic is Pro low carb, no more than 20g/day outside of the list of acceptable foods, and director of his own lifestyle management weight loss clinic. He is currently working with another physician here in our area to promote this new "K. E. Diet" which to my understanding is basically a feeding tube through your nose and down your throat pumping an 800 calorie Fat/Protein/Water solution into your stomach each day.
The expectation is that you could lose 20lbs in 10 days or 10% of your body weight. No eating at all, only water, unsweet tea, or black coffee. This "diet" is something they supposedly got from Europe but all I have seen in videos is Americans. It seems like people are using it as a crash diet and most of the videos they state it's to help them lose weight before their wedding. There were 6 people from our clinic chosen to give this 7 day $1500 procedure a go. Only one of the participants is considered overweight/obese. The rest are pretty petite women with about 15-30lbs to lose.
Do you think this is TOO extreme? Dangerous? Maybe even lazy?
I'm curious to see what others think about this.
OMG!!! NOW I get why I have come to disdain Medical Doctors! They need to stick to emergency medicine and leave health to Experts (NDs, Herbalist, even some Nutritionists...) MDs will come up with ANYTHING to try and pay off those half million dollar college loans, even to the point of KILLING People! One reason 'we' have so much Kidney and Liver failure and deterioration in this country is these high protein/low carb DIETS! Also, they prey on people with eating disorders/most of USA, but that is because of the Food, Supplement and Pharmaceutical Industries. This stuff/concepts are disgusting! For SURE, MDs are NOT Healers.0 -
It seems message boards have been reduced to posting funny pictures, good luck getting a constructive discussion going.
I believe the responses in this thread prove your theory wrong. Perhaps there won't be an actual discussion, since most responses are likely to agree with the ridiculousness of the proposed "treatment", but I hope you will see that this isn't a "funny picture" contest.
It's sad that you think so poorly of the rest of the posters who participate in these forums.0 -
The doctor should have his licence pulled. Way to extreme for anyone to consider.0
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It seems message boards have been reduced to posting funny pictures, good luck getting a constructive discussion going.
Sometimes there aren't two credible sides to a debate. When faced with utter madness, you don't necessarily need to debate its merits, you can simply point out the silliness of the proposition.0 -
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yes way to far0
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Every profession has its good and its bad. People like to talk about the bad but rarely mention the good. Not all (or even most) doctors are quacks. Most are caring and know what they're doing and are looking out for their patients' health.Hello everyone!
So today was an interesting day at work....VERY interesting.....
One of the doctors in our clinic is Pro low carb, no more than 20g/day outside of the list of acceptable foods, and director of his own lifestyle management weight loss clinic. He is currently working with another physician here in our area to promote this new "K. E. Diet" which to my understanding is basically a feeding tube through your nose and down your throat pumping an 800 calorie Fat/Protein/Water solution into your stomach each day.
The expectation is that you could lose 20lbs in 10 days or 10% of your body weight. No eating at all, only water, unsweet tea, or black coffee. This "diet" is something they supposedly got from Europe but all I have seen in videos is Americans. It seems like people are using it as a crash diet and most of the videos they state it's to help them lose weight before their wedding. There were 6 people from our clinic chosen to give this 7 day $1500 procedure a go. Only one of the participants is considered overweight/obese. The rest are pretty petite women with about 15-30lbs to lose.
Do you think this is TOO extreme? Dangerous? Maybe even lazy?
I'm curious to see what others think about this.
OMG!!! NOW I get why I have come to disdain Medical Doctors! They need to stick to emergency medicine and leave health to Experts (NDs, Herbalist, even some Nutritionists...) MDs will come up with ANYTHING to try and pay off those half million dollar college loans, even to the point of KILLING People! One reason 'we' have so much Kidney and Liver failure and deterioration in this country is these high protein/low carb DIETS! Also, they prey on people with eating disorders/most of USA, but that is because of the Food, Supplement and Pharmaceutical Industries. This stuff/concepts are disgusting! For SURE, MDs are NOT Healers.0 -
seems pretty nutso to me - but I like food haha0
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These two doctors must have some serious student loans or gambling debt.0
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Hello everyone!
So today was an interesting day at work....VERY interesting.....
One of the doctors in our clinic is Pro low carb, no more than 20g/day outside of the list of acceptable foods, and director of his own lifestyle management weight loss clinic. He is currently working with another physician here in our area to promote this new "K. E. Diet" which to my understanding is basically a feeding tube through your nose and down your throat pumping an 800 calorie Fat/Protein/Water solution into your stomach each day.
The expectation is that you could lose 20lbs in 10 days or 10% of your body weight. No eating at all, only water, unsweet tea, or black coffee. This "diet" is something they supposedly got from Europe but all I have seen in videos is Americans. It seems like people are using it as a crash diet and most of the videos they state it's to help them lose weight before their wedding. There were 6 people from our clinic chosen to give this 7 day $1500 procedure a go. Only one of the participants is considered overweight/obese. The rest are pretty petite women with about 15-30lbs to lose.
Do you think this is TOO extreme? Dangerous? Maybe even lazy?
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Let us go with YES, EMPHATICALLY YES!!!
If they just want 800 calories a day for a crash diet why do they not just drink or eat it then do the clear liquids? To actually have an NG tube put in someone who is healthy and able to eat is extremely lazy. For one week, if they actually need to lose weight, other than the potential complications from the NG Tube I can not imagine this being *too* dangerous. But then again, why subject yourself to those unnecessary possible complications? Too Extreme, yes. I can not imagine an actual doctor doing this.
I do believe this is totally unnecessary.0 -
How DARE you make sense???It seems message boards have been reduced to posting funny pictures, good luck getting a constructive discussion going.
Sometimes there aren't two credible sides to a debate. When faced with utter madness, you don't necessarily need to debate its merits, you can simply point out the silliness of the proposition.
FLOUNCE.0 -
I actually had someone on my FL who was doing this. All she ever logged was 800 calories of nasograstric (if that's the correct term...) feeding solution.
Yeah...buh-bye. :noway:0 -
Wow, this is sad and disturbing
It make me angry at physicians that should know better
I'm glad others agree. I was really feeling like I work with a bunch of crazy *kitten* people to go this far. And doctor from my clinic recommends that to keep the weight off you should follow his (extremely) low carb diet. Why not just go low carb and be done with it?
I personally love bread and Mac and cheese.......and chewing.....way to much for all of this Atkins/keto stuff, but for some it works. I've even seen it help some people safely come off their meds. But I have seen some people who put the weight right back on and struggle to get back into it. And some who should have stay on their meds.0 -
It seems message boards have been reduced to posting funny pictures, good luck getting a constructive discussion going.
What is that they say? Oh yeah - "A picture is worth a thousand words."0 -
It seems message boards have been reduced to posting funny pictures, good luck getting a constructive discussion going.
Have you ever been on a message board before?0 -
Wow, this is sad and disturbing
It make me angry at physicians that should know better
I'm glad others agree. I was really feeling like I work with a bunch of crazy *kitten* people to go this far. And doctor from my clinic recommends that to keep the weight off you should follow his (extremely) low carb diet. Why not just go low carb and be done with it?
I personally love bread and Mac and cheese.......and chewing.....way to much for all of this Atkins/keto stuff, but for some it works. I've even seen it help some people safely come off their meds. But I have seen some people who put the weight right back on and struggle to get back into it. And some who should have stay on their meds.
I would imagine recommending a low carb diet isn't going to rack in the $1500 a pop that this would. After all we all know those private practice doctors are financially hard up.0
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