Is this going TOO far???
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I would imagine recommending a low carb diet isn't going to rack in the $1500 a pop that this would. After all we all know those private practice doctors are financially hard up.
Sad but true. I would have to add (not that it makes it any better) that for the 6 coworkers that agreed to participate they were able to do so for free, they filled out applications but there was no screening, blood test done or anything. And I was told today the overweight woman has a family history of heart problems and she's already talking about doing another round if it's offered......and they just got the tubes TODAY lol!
I just feel like it was dangerous and a bit lazy. Albeit it would be great to drop 10% of my weight in a short amount of time, but I wouldn't want to risk my physical, or mental, health doing so.
Slow and steady right wins the race?0 -
I completely support anyone who wants to make the choice to do an extreme and unhealthy diet such as this one. If they are dumb enough to do it, they deserve the consequences. I just hope they do it before they have kids. Clean out the gene pool a little.0
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i think doing something extreme like this as a way to achieve a quick short lasting goal is fine. its like when a boxer cuts weight(be it mostly water) in the days leading up to a weigh in.
but using this for general weight loss or as a way to kick start weight loss i think its a bad idea.0 -
I completely support anyone who wants to make the choice to do an extreme and unhealthy diet such as this one. If they are dumb enough to do it, they deserve the consequences. I just hope they do it before they have kids. Clean out the gene pool a little.
They are all late 30's and up with kids lol. I think the youngest is 37, married with 3 kids. The oldest is 50, married with 2....maybe it's a middle age try something new phase?0 -
Too far. He/she is in it for the $$$.0
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Does the tube somehow prevent them from eating food when no one's looking?
I've sometimes wondered if a coma-diet were offered ("Go to sleep, wake up skinny!"), if people would actually do it. Sadly I think some would.0 -
I completely support anyone who wants to make the choice to do an extreme and unhealthy diet such as this one. If they are dumb enough to do it, they deserve the consequences. I just hope they do it before they have kids. Clean out the gene pool a little.
:laugh: :laugh:
Natural selection?0 -
I just gotta say this -
IIFYM!
lol... JUST KIDDING!
no really, seriously, anyone who has been forced to have a tube down their throat HATES it, and wants it out,, it makes your throat feel raw.
then what about if your thirsty? you have this stupid tube down your throat.. i would want to yank that thing outta there.
it would also drive me nuts when i get a pizza craving and a craving for the feel of something solid down my throat, not this stupid tube giving me some kind of robotic nourishment.. Thats about as bad as the sci-fi people who think in the future people are going to get all their nutrients out of some wafer they ingest 3 times a day.
Noez, not for me!0 -
Lazy.
To lazy to even eat. :laugh:0 -
OMG!!! NOW I get why I have come to disdain Medical Doctors! They need to stick to emergency medicine and leave health to Experts (NDs, Herbalist, even some Nutritionists...) MDs will come up with ANYTHING to try and pay off those half million dollar college loans, even to the point of KILLING People! One reason 'we' have so much Kidney and Liver failure and deterioration in this country is these high protein/low carb DIETS! Also, they prey on people with eating disorders/most of USA, but that is because of the Food, Supplement and Pharmaceutical Industries. This stuff/concepts are disgusting! For SURE, MDs are NOT Healers.
WHAT? The top two causes of renal failure requiring dialysis are untreated hypertension and diabetes. Diabetes is a state of carb intolerance and can be controlled by low carb in many cases. Healthy kidneys do not have any problem with high protein diets - they conserve protein by their nature. If you lose protein through your kidneys you already had kidney damage.
Low carb is reasonable - depending on the circumstances and medical conditions. I would like to see your references - actual references not pop science please.0 -
I think the maintenance would be a B@tch. Based on the theory that you have to continue whatever you did to lose the weight to maintain the loss - you would spend your life with a nasogastric feeding tube? Um, no.
How attractive is that - walking about with the tube in your nose. Will they make a sparkly one for the trendy girls? Sports colors for football team fans? Glow in the dark for halloween? Looks like a worm for Halloween? I don't know what I'm talking about - they're probably already producing them.
Low carb - I have less problem with. It suits some well. NG tube - no. That's crazy.
Please be careful OP - HIPAA could bite you on this post.0 -
Do you work for a cult, by chance? I think it's crazy that so many people you work with would actually attempt this..0
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wow they give out medical degrees to anyone.0
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Yikes. :frown:0
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wow they give out medical degrees to anyone.
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Of course it's ridiculous, but I'm sure someone will plunk down $$ for this ..... and STILL chow down on a box of cookies & a bag of chips ...... make sure jaws get wired at the same time :noway:0
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Sometimes there aren't two credible sides to a debate. When faced with utter madness, you don't necessarily need to debate its merits, you can simply point out the silliness of the proposition.
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Yes. It is taking it way too and it's sad that people would do that to themselves especially with a physician telling them to.0
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I agree. A doctor should know better. Just because the patient has the money to be able to do this does NOT mean that they should do this. I personally dont think anyone should do this. EVER.0
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I think yes and no. And hear me out on this.
I think that for an extremely obese person who is maybe considering a lapband type of thing then this is not going too far. And I only say that because they really can't eat too much after the surgery so I think this is a good way to prepare them for that, that way they still don't try to gorge themselves. Or anything else that goes along this line.
However, if you're only 30 pounds overweight and trying to do that then I think it is taking it way too far0 -
What! That's ridiculous! 800 calories is way too much, should be 500.0
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This is CRAZY. That is definitely going too far.0
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dumb and dangerousHello everyone!
So today was an interesting day at work....VERY interesting.....
One of the doctors in our clinic is Pro low carb, no more than 20g/day outside of the list of acceptable foods, and director of his own lifestyle management weight loss clinic. He is currently working with another physician here in our area to promote this new "K. E. Diet" which to my understanding is basically a feeding tube through your nose and down your throat pumping an 800 calorie Fat/Protein/Water solution into your stomach each day.
The expectation is that you could lose 20lbs in 10 days or 10% of your body weight. No eating at all, only water, unsweet tea, or black coffee. This "diet" is something they supposedly got from Europe but all I have seen in videos is Americans. It seems like people are using it as a crash diet and most of the videos they state it's to help them lose weight before their wedding. There were 6 people from our clinic chosen to give this 7 day $1500 procedure a go. Only one of the participants is considered overweight/obese. The rest are pretty petite women with about 15-30lbs to lose.
Do you think this is TOO extreme? Dangerous? Maybe even lazy?
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I am surprised more people have not heard of this. I saw this on TV months and months ago now. All of the people I saw interviewed about it were only doing it to lose weight quickly before an event. I didn't see anyone doing it long term, in fact, I'm not sure they would've let them do it long term.0
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OMG!!! NOW I get why I have come to disdain Medical Doctors! They need to stick to emergency medicine and leave health to Experts (NDs, Herbalist, even some Nutritionists...) MDs will come up with ANYTHING to try and pay off those half million dollar college loans, even to the point of KILLING People! One reason 'we' have so much Kidney and Liver failure and deterioration in this country is these high protein/low carb DIETS! Also, they prey on people with eating disorders/most of USA, but that is because of the Food, Supplement and Pharmaceutical Industries. This stuff/concepts are disgusting! For SURE, MDs are NOT Healers.
LOL
i can ASSURE you that any doc that is engaging in this is NOT an emergency medicine physician.
and please don't lump all MDs into one basket with these loons. that's just stupid.0 -
OMG!!! NOW I get why I have come to disdain Medical Doctors! They need to stick to emergency medicine and leave health to Experts (NDs, Herbalist, even some Nutritionists...) MDs will come up with ANYTHING to try and pay off those half million dollar college loans, even to the point of KILLING People! One reason 'we' have so much Kidney and Liver failure and deterioration in this country is these high protein/low carb DIETS! Also, they prey on people with eating disorders/most of USA, but that is because of the Food, Supplement and Pharmaceutical Industries. This stuff/concepts are disgusting! For SURE, MDs are NOT Healers.
WHAT? The top two causes of renal failure requiring dialysis are untreated hypertension and diabetes. Diabetes is a state of carb intolerance and can be controlled by low carb in many cases. Healthy kidneys do not have any problem with high protein diets - they conserve protein by their nature. If you lose protein through your kidneys you already had kidney damage.
Low carb is reasonable - depending on the circumstances and medical conditions. I would like to see your references - actual references not pop science please.
shhhhhh. stop talking all that sense. you'll scare it away.
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I completely support anyone who wants to make the choice to do an extreme and unhealthy diet such as this one. If they are dumb enough to do it, they deserve the consequences. I just hope they do it before they have kids. Clean out the gene pool a little.
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It seems message boards have been reduced to posting funny pictures, good luck getting a constructive discussion going.
What exactly is there to discuss? It is an 800 calorie per day feeding tube. Not only is it a VLCD, but the person does not learn how to eat properly, which will cause them to simply put the weight back on. Not only that, but to lose 20lbs of fat/muscle mass in 10 days you'd have to have a daily deficit of 7,000 calories, which isn't happening in this case, which means the person is losing mainly water weight and becoming dehydrated.
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Wow, doesn't seem like the right move for people trained in the trade!!! I have always understood that VLCD are for morbidly obese...not a 10-day "quick fix" for petite women looking to drop 15 pounds...perhaps they're looking for a quick way to supplement their income???0
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