Fat, Sick and Nearly dead

RBrigzy

RBrigzy - I've just watched it for the 2nd time, the work he has done is inspiring but juicing isn't for everyone. Fresh juice is great for getting the vitamins & micro nutrients but you also need the fibre and protein. I don't think I could do this for long but for one day a week, it can't hurt. I have a lot of weight to lose and following an eating plan (not diet) is something that I would have to maintain for the rest of my life, you have to make sensible choices. I see juicing as a sensible choice but not as a full time plan, a couple of times a week would do.

We coming up to the autumn now and LOCAL orchards will be bursting with this year's apple crops - apples that don't look so appealing to eat, juice them!

Jive,

yes I have an apple tree with hundreds of apples and a juicer is great - I can freeze the juice too.

I think I should have said when I posted the topic I wasn't recommending the route (or fruit - pardon the the pun) but was inspired by someone caring for someone else with a food problem I think.

sloth3toes

He's admitted since making the movie that Phil has gone back up to around 300 lbs, and still struggles with his weight.

Aw no way...that actually makes me really sad

Me too, we need to track Phil down and get him on here for sure.. but how?

I'm quite sure I heard Joe Cross say, on a podcast that Phil was back up around 300 lbs. That said.... I just did a quick Google, and another site, that seems to be kind of riding the coattails of Fat Sick and Nearly Dead, claims that Phil is 250 lbs.

Coronation Street

You don't happen to watch Coronation Street, do you?

zazasmom

lot of posts against the guy but they must not have watched the whole thing, he clearly believes in eating raw and only did the total juice fast to "re boot" his system and it does work. if he makes a buck, who cares he deserves it for all the inspiration he gives.
I went on it for 2 weeks and my skin cleared up and I felt so much better and now I'm on 75% raw so it definitely helped me to get going and detox my system.
zaza's mom

Mguilmot

Joe calls it a "reboot" for something. It is supposed to reboot your system, starting you up to a better and healthier lifestyle. It is not meant to be something permanent. In that regard the movie was nice to see, not something I have done or would do, but I can imaging it can help others to start a healthier lifestyle. Wouldn't recommend doing it for ever :-)

jofjltncb6

Well most of the internet and TV media is an infomercial these days.

Even more reason to practice your discernment abilities. Facts are out there...you just need to carefully vet them before fully buying in.

lot of posts against the guy but they must not have watched the whole thing, he clearly believes in eating raw and only did the total juice fast to "re boot" his system and it does work.

Our bodies are not computers. No reboot is necessary. And from the evidence I've seen, I'm not convinced that "it does work." Just perusing the accounts/stats of MFPers for and against this particular approach (and not just in this specific thread but in the many similar others that have preceded it), it seems there are very few for whom this was a long-term solution.

RBrigzy

Coronation Street

I used too , havn't for years until just this week by coincidence ... not really sure whats happening, or why Nic is in hospital and what naught thing his nutty brother has done ... I will get hooked on it again if not careful!!

RangiRose

I juice. Its a vitamin to me. I also try and eat a lot of solid vegetables. Im also an omnivore. I just see juicing as a way to add some concentrated micronutrients to my diet. Juice cleanses are silly.

this^^^ find what works for you and do it for life....

RBrigzy

What I don't like about my juicer is washing it up - too darn fiddly, and the dishwasher can't handle it.

sloth3toes

Coronation Street

I used too , havn't for years until just this week by coincidence ... not really sure whats happening, or why Nic is in hospital and what naught thing his nutty brother has done ... I will get hooked on it again if not careful!!

How much do you need to know, to get you hooked again? Nic might be the father of Kylie's new baby.... and Haley has terminal pancreatic cancer. Karl finally got caught for burning down the Rovers and murdering Sunita.

And from the evidence I've seen, I'm not convinced that "it does work." Just perusing the accounts/stats of MFPers for and against this particular approach (and not just in this specific thread but in the many similar others that have preceded it), it seems there are very few for whom this was a long-term solution.

Well, I have no actual data to back this up, but.... there are juicing disciples at MFP to varying degrees.... and it would certainly appear that most of the juicing naysayers have never tried it. They simply believe in their 'do what is sustainable plan.' I sometimes wonder if all the 'fundamentalists' started out that way... or if some of them, did something to 'kickstart' their weightloss, and have just conveniently forgotten, and now preach the orthodox MFP way.

What I don't like about my juicer is washing it up - too darn fiddly, and the dishwasher can't handle it.

I find the juicer cleanup annoying as well. I am lazy that way, though....

LiftAllThePizzas

Brings the boy's what to the yard?

RBrigzy

Well, I have no actual data to back this up, but.... there are juicing disciples at MFP to varying degrees.... and it would certainly appear that most of the juicing naysayers have never tried it. They simply believe in their 'do what is sustainable plan.' I sometimes wonder if all the 'fundamentalists' started out that way... or if some of them, did something to 'kickstart' their weightloss, and have just conveniently forgotten, and now preach the orthodox MFP way.

If I get you right maybe we are of similar outlook - I get annoyed by people ranting on this site 'no no don't try that - its my "balanced" way or the highway'. This seems a ridiculous generalization and non exploratory to me, the point is if your overweight enough to be affecting your health then what you are currently doing is wrong, and changing to something else that inspires you and shift dangerous weight (even if not a permanent habit change) is worthwhile as you are opening up to change - and edging away from danger. I believe if you experience the weight loss, it removes some of the hopelessness and gives you a taste of success - that in itself is so valuable. My skipping breakfast fad taught me a great deal - especially testing my will power.

Whilst I am having an "all out" - I also get annoyed by people who post stupid off topic pictures or giant giffs that slow your browser!

nomeejerome

Well, I have no actual data to back this up, but.... there are juicing disciples at MFP to varying degrees.... and it would certainly appear that most of the juicing naysayers have never tried it. They simply believe in their 'do what is sustainable plan.' I sometimes wonder if all the 'fundamentalists' started out that way... or if some of them, did something to 'kickstart' their weightloss, and have just conveniently forgotten, and now preach the orthodox MFP way.

If I get you right maybe we are of similar outlook - I get annoyed by people ranting on this site 'no no don't try that - its my "balanced" way or the highway'. This seems a ridiculous generalization and non exploratory to me, the point is if your overweight enough to be affecting your health then what you are currently doing is wrong, and changing to something else that inspires you and shift dangerous weight (even if not a permanent habit change) is worthwhile as you are opening up to change - and edging away from danger. I believe if you experience the weight loss, it removes some of the hopelessness and gives you a taste of success - that in itself is so valuable. My skipping breakfast fad taught me a great deal - especially testing my will power.

Whilst I am having an "all out" - I also get annoyed by people who post stupid off topic pictures or giant giffs that slow your browser!

Why not learn "permanent habit" changes from the get go? Why explore all of the quick fixes that are not sustainable for the long haul? Why lose weight quickly, only to put it back on (and maybe more)? Why not set realistic goals, eat at a calorie deficit, be patient and make long-term changes? Why not work towards success, instead of just getting a taste of it?


And on another note…..you posted in a public forum, so pictures and gifs may pop up in a thread, especially a thread that has been done numerous times before today.

skinnybythanksgiving

Hi. I watched this show on Netflix. It's a great show. I've been a fan of raw food and juice for about 15 years. Do it only under doctor's supervision.

Another way to do it that is much easier than juicing is to replace junk/sugar/tv dinners/ eating out/fatty meats with about 80% raw food. Do it slowly as a life change. Nothing temporary works for long.

Ignore the naysayers.

Cindyinpg

Brings the boy's what to the yard?

Hehe, I dunno. Love Internet grammar sometimes. Your's is a nice touch too. :ohwell:

sloth3toes

Well, I have no actual data to back this up, but.... there are juicing disciples at MFP to varying degrees.... and it would certainly appear that most of the juicing naysayers have never tried it. They simply believe in their 'do what is sustainable plan.' I sometimes wonder if all the 'fundamentalists' started out that way... or if some of them, did something to 'kickstart' their weightloss, and have just conveniently forgotten, and now preach the orthodox MFP way.

If I get you right maybe we are of similar outlook - I get annoyed by people ranting on this site 'no no don't try that - its my "balanced" way or the highway'. This seems a ridiculous generalization and non exploratory to me, the point is if your overweight enough to be affecting your health then what you are currently doing is wrong, and changing to something else that inspires you and shift dangerous weight (even if not a permanent habit change) is worthwhile as you are opening up to change - and edging away from danger. I believe if you experience the weight loss, it removes some of the hopelessness and gives you a taste of success - that in itself is so valuable. My skipping breakfast fad taught me a great deal - especially testing my will power.

Whilst I am having an "all out" - I also get annoyed by people who post stupid off topic pictures or giant giffs that slow your browser!

I don't dispute that probably the most sensible way to 'fix' your dietary bad habits, is to figure out, how you're gonna eat for the rest of your life, and then start doing it today, minus enough calories to get you to your goal weight at a reasonable rate. I believe that's the essence of the MFP way. I just don't think that everyone is willing to do it that way, and that that is the only way that will work. I do fully agree that that is the end goal, and should always be the end goal... I just don't think it's always necessary to start that way. The feeling of accomplishment you get from dropping a whole bunch of lbs in a fairly short period of time, can certainly be a motivator to stay the course.

And for that reason, and because I used a non-mainstream method to get my health journey started... and so far, I am pleased with where I'm at, and currently eating much closer to how I plan to eat for life than ever before.... it's MHO ( and completely uneducated opinion ) that there are many paths to a healthy lifestyle, and a person doesn't necessarily have to start out from day one, on the exact path that they plan to follow permanently.

*ETA* Oh ya, and I don't post alot of gifs, but I do like to add pics to my posts, no matter how irrelevant they are to the post, sometimes. Sorry 'bout that.

Skinnymunkii

The way I see it is this-- If you find something that works for you, that gets you focused, that helps you find that place where things click for you, you should follow that road. Everyone is different, and whether it's fasting, juicing, low-carb, high-protein, whatever...you can't judge a person on what is right for them. Only they can make that decision. My opinion is, if this is something you want to try, people shouldn't give you crap for it. And to the people who have responded rudely, I say: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

jofjltncb6

The way I see it is this-- If you find something that works for you, that gets you focused, that helps you find that place where things click for you, you should follow that road. Everyone is different, and whether it's fasting, juicing, low-carb, high-protein, whatever...you can't judge a person on what is right for them. Only they can make that decision. My opinion is, if this is something you want to try, people shouldn't give you crap for it. And to the people who have responded rudely, I say: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

Personally, I found the tone of your advice extremely rude.

jayjay12345654321

What I don't like about my juicer is washing it up - too darn fiddly, and the dishwasher can't handle it.

that's why i never had more than one glass of juice a day, tops, and even that didn't last more than a month. eventually, i'd forget to wash it right away and then it was a pain to scrub the bits out of the blade and screen. i love homemade juice, though. just wish it was easier to make. and not so expensive!

prettyface55

Welcome back and good luck with reaching your goals!

Barbellgirl

I know a lady that is currently doing a 30 day juice diet (she has a lot of weight to lose) under the supervision of her doctor and a dietician. By the 10th day she was showing calcium and D3 deficiencies based on her blood work and is supplementing.

Preikschas

Hey I watched that, I started juicing, I did a 5 day juicing and I didn't mind it but I figure if I just juice once or twice a day then thats good, I eat clean and stay away from boxed products. I now use my juicer to make soups, sauces and the pulp is used with my baking for my kids lunches. I did however feel the detox aspect of it and it was ROUGH. If you are going to do drink LOTS of water.

SuperCrsa

I havent watched it, but I have tried a juice fast ONCE in my life for 4 days.
Was supposed to be a full week but by day 5 I wanted to kill someone and eat them!

Never again will I do that to myself.

SuperCrsa

It's the best infomercial I've ever seen, it's so good people think it's a documentary!!!

Back in the old days Soap opera's (eg Coronation Street) were surrounded by adverts for washing powders - hence the nick name soap operas / soaps.

Heh! I just learnt learned something new about the origin of name soapies.

TMLPatrick

The mouse/MSG thing is patently false.... and they interviewed an "osteopath" as an expert. Use it for inspiration, but don't trust the "science" they tout. I agree with the sentiment that this was an infomercial disguised as a documentary.

dani_bee

To me this film was less about juicing and more about the state of obesity in America. At the end of the film I didn't necessarily want to start juicing, but I was left with a sense of awe about the reality of our culture.

Mother_Superior

For the life of me, I don't understand the usage of the term "reboot" when applied to the body's process, especially with regards to our diet/metabolism. You may do something that speeds up a process that slows down, but you don't re-start it. As far as I know, if a metabolic or cleansing process (stomach, liver, kidneys) shuts down, we begin to die pretty quickly. The closest analogy to a physical reboot that I can think of is when a doctor has to use a defibrilator on someone. I'd be curious to know something legitimately to the contrary.

That said...juice is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. I'm also a big fan of sustainability, because if you lose a couple hundred pounds doing something and gain it all back when you go back to living a normal life, you didn't reboot ****. Also, you surely can't be better off than you were before.

I also saw the doc, and came away thinking it was a big commercial.

yoovie

are you advocating this juice business?

danikothe

I did a juice fast for 10 days last year and I lost about 10 lbs. When I went back to normal eating(which was binging for me) I put it right back on. I hear the trick is to introduce food back very slowly into your diet and don't eat garbage!

What I do now is have just juice for dinner. I eat normal during the the day at work(a few small 300 calorie meals per day) and then juice for dinner. I find a large juice to be very satisfying after an hour and a half of bikram yoga.

But make sure not to drink sugary juices at night! Stick to mainly vegetables for night time juice.

NewLIFEstyle4ME

I saw the movie and it was one of my reasons for starting here on Mfp--like that dude, I started developing these weird "pot marks" all over my body and I went to a couple of doctors and none of them knew why and/or said it was something that nobody knows why or how it comes about--these marks/spots were totally hideous and I was desperate so, I did the juice thing but in a modified way. I juiced a huge variety of only organic and really strange (for me) and different types veggies and herbs and hardly juiced any fruits at all--but I did EAT fruits at this time instead. I had two of these different types of veggies juices per day and one nice sized meal per day (example large breakfast and juiced for lunch and dinner and ate fruit/healthy snacks about 2 per day or juiced for breakfast and ate a big organic/healthy lunch and juice for dinner with two snacks, etc.). My one meal per day did not include meat, dairy, nor any "white" pasta. I also turned my back on mostly all processed foods and any sweets that I'd eat (which wasn't a lot), I made them at home...I did this for approximately 2 1/2 or 3 months straight. Here's what happened:

I dropped 4-6 pant sizes in 2 1/2- 3 months time
I lost almost 20 pounds in that time, not a lot from the scale, but HUGE loses in inches all over my body, I was literally shrinking...even my shoe size went down in that time almost 1 12 sizes.
My body fat % went down so astronomically--it was nothing less than miraculous.
NO loose skin, in fact my skin and hair in that short amount of time turned into the most beautiful and glowing skin and hair in my life...people were commenting that I looked like I was 15-20 years younger ALL the time. The hideous spots left completely after 2 or 3 weeks of doing this. My fingernails were always brittle and cracking, they were growing like weeds.
My energy boosted like crazy--I sleep like a baby and started exercising like a child--super energized like never before!
My eye sight improved so much, I didn't wear my glasses anymore.

The BAD News...
Because I had soooo much energy, I literally hurt myself exercising. I was peddling my stationary bike one day with my barefoot gymshoes so FAST, my foot got caught in the peddle and it's a miracle my foot didn't get cut off! I still went to my Taw Kwondo class anyway and then hurt my knee trying to be Bruce Lee, Jr. --that was the beginning of the end.

Eating this way and drinking this way (only organic, and high quality foods and fish) is SUPER expensive.

Because my foot and knee hurt, I stopped exercising. Once I stopped exercising--I started going back to my old habits of eating fast foods and junky processed foods. In about six months I not only gained ALL the weight back but 6 more pounds.

Today, I'm struggling and am about 20 pounds more than my loss with my juicing experiment. So my conclusion is while it does indeed work, in the long-run, it won't...because it's NOT sustainable--unless you live this way forever, you WILL gain it all back and even more...

yoovie

i hear the trick is to not do these