"The problem with sugar is your problem with sugar"
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Will read later! Thanks.0
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How can you all not like the marshmallows?! That's the best part, the cereal is just there as a buffer because it's hard to handle that much awesome in one mouthful.0
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I never liked those marshmallows, either. Does that mean I'm next to go when your FL hits 201? :-(There is absolutely NO nutritional value for the body by consuming raw sugar in ANY form. I avoid it like the flu. I use stevia if I need the powder form or I use honey. LOVE LOVE LOVE honey, and I treat myself to honey from Germany. It is a lot more flavorful than ours and totally worth buying. But as for me and sugar---never never,
you realize honey has sugar in it, right?
...but it's natural...
...so it's chemically different...
...and doesn't count...
...because science.
so let me get this straight..its naturally, chemically, different? sounds legit....kind of like lucky charms are magically delicious...?
I always pick the marshmellows out of my lucky charms. Because disgusting.
Conclusion: No, they aren't magically delicious.
This is why you and I can never be friends.
I used to eat all the cereal out of my Lucky Charms so I would have a big pile of marshmallows to enjoy. The cereal was completely obligatory (because my parents would whip my *kitten* if they caught me throwing it away).
ETA: Wait a second...this is why we *should* be friends...so you can eat the cereal and I can eat the marshmallows. Win-win!
It's at 201 right now...
...but thanks to the recently-developed ALCS ("Achrya Lucky Charms Solution"), you're now a more valuable friend than ever.0 -
Phew!
I never liked those marshmallows, either. Does that mean I'm next to go when your FL hits 201? :-(There is absolutely NO nutritional value for the body by consuming raw sugar in ANY form. I avoid it like the flu. I use stevia if I need the powder form or I use honey. LOVE LOVE LOVE honey, and I treat myself to honey from Germany. It is a lot more flavorful than ours and totally worth buying. But as for me and sugar---never never,
you realize honey has sugar in it, right?
...but it's natural...
...so it's chemically different...
...and doesn't count...
...because science.
so let me get this straight..its naturally, chemically, different? sounds legit....kind of like lucky charms are magically delicious...?
I always pick the marshmellows out of my lucky charms. Because disgusting.
Conclusion: No, they aren't magically delicious.
This is why you and I can never be friends.
I used to eat all the cereal out of my Lucky Charms so I would have a big pile of marshmallows to enjoy. The cereal was completely obligatory (because my parents would whip my *kitten* if they caught me throwing it away).
ETA: Wait a second...this is why we *should* be friends...so you can eat the cereal and I can eat the marshmallows. Win-win!
It's at 201 right now...
...but thanks to the recently-developed ALCS ("Achrya Lucky Charms Solution"), you're now a more valuable friend than ever.0 -
cmeirun,I've seen a lot of topics posted lately regarding sugar, and thought I'd share this article I just read. It's long, but it's a very good read and provides a science- and evidence-based discussion of the carbohydrate that causes such consternation:
http://www.fitnessbaddies.com/your-problem-with-sugar-is-the-problem-with-sugar/
Enjoy, fellow sweet-toothers!
Thank you for posting.
With all due respect, I didn't see much in the way of evidence in the blog post. The following might provide some balance:
http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/sugar/
kind regards,
Ben0 -
How can you all not like the marshmallows?! That's the best part, the cereal is just there as a buffer because it's hard to handle that much awesome in one mouthful.
They taste like and have the texture sweetened cardboard. Blech.0 -
There is absolutely NO nutritional value for the body by consuming raw sugar in ANY form. I avoid it like the flu. I use stevia if I need the powder form or I use honey. LOVE LOVE LOVE honey, and I treat myself to honey from Germany. It is a lot more flavorful than ours and totally worth buying. But as for me and sugar---never never,
you realize honey has sugar in it, right?
...but it's natural...
...so it's chemically different...
...and doesn't count...
...because science.
so let me get this straight..its naturally, chemically, different? sounds legit....kind of like lucky charms are magically delicious...?
I always pick the marshmellows out of my lucky charms. Because disgusting.
Conclusion: No, they aren't magically delicious.
This is why you and I can never be friends.
I used to eat all the cereal out of my Lucky Charms so I would have a big pile of marshmallows to enjoy. The cereal was completely obligatory (because my parents would whip my *kitten* if they caught me throwing it away).
ETA: Wait a second...this is why we *should* be friends...so you can eat the cereal and I can eat the marshmallows. Win-win!
I did the exact same thing. Leave the best for last, I say!0 -
cmeirun,I've seen a lot of topics posted lately regarding sugar, and thought I'd share this article I just read. It's long, but it's a very good read and provides a science- and evidence-based discussion of the carbohydrate that causes such consternation:
http://www.fitnessbaddies.com/your-problem-with-sugar-is-the-problem-with-sugar/
Enjoy, fellow sweet-toothers!
Thank you for posting.
With all due respect, I didn't see much in the way of evidence in the blog post. The following might provide some balance:
http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/sugar/
kind regards,
Ben
Did you read either article? The one you provided had some nice facts in it that no one here nor the original article would refute but was also lacking in any real substance. It doesn't address the original post at all. Here it is in its entirety.Sugar consumption alone does not appear to cause hyperactivity in children, although it obviously is not good for kids’ teeth and has been tied to the risk of diabetes. In fact, 17% of calories in the American diet come from added sugars. The gratuitous inclusion of sugar in the USDA Dietary Guidelines may be due to corporate influence (see here, here, here, here, here). Sugar and high fructose corn syrup are about equal in terms of nutritional value (which is about zero). However, high fructose corn syrup may contain mercury so sugar may be a relatively safer option. There actually are two sweeteners that have some nutrition (see also here).
The sugar in dark chocolate means cocoa powder is a better choice to reduce bad cholesterol and boost good cholesterol. Similarly, commercial cranberry juice and Cheerios have added sugar which detracts from their value as health-promoting foods. The addition of cinnamon to meats may actually blunt the blood sugar spike caused by sugary foods.
However, the bolded line was hilarious.
The sugar in dark chocolate means cocoa powder is a better choice? What does this even mean? What does the sugar in dark chocolate have to do with the cocoa powder? Were they trying to say that dark chocolate is better than milk chocolate because it has less sugar and more cocoa powder? It's hard to take an article seriously when it has such indecipherable statements like that one in it.
In closing, this added nothing to OPs article. It neither refuted it nor supported it. It was just a bunch of loosely related facts.0 -
cmeirun,I've seen a lot of topics posted lately regarding sugar, and thought I'd share this article I just read. It's long, but it's a very good read and provides a science- and evidence-based discussion of the carbohydrate that causes such consternation:
http://www.fitnessbaddies.com/your-problem-with-sugar-is-the-problem-with-sugar/
Enjoy, fellow sweet-toothers!
Thank you for posting.
With all due respect, I didn't see much in the way of evidence in the blog post. The following might provide some balance:
http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/sugar/
kind regards,
Ben
OMG! I didn't know Robert De Niro used MFP!!!!! Hi Robert!0 -
Also, the processed sources of sugar, such as Oreos, are actually engineered to cause a physiological addictive response (these are known as "highly palatable foods").
*kitten*!! I can never find my tinfoil hat when I need it!0 -
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There is absolutely NO nutritional value for the body by consuming raw sugar in ANY form. I avoid it like the flu. I use stevia if I need the powder form or I use honey. LOVE LOVE LOVE honey, and I treat myself to honey from Germany. It is a lot more flavorful than ours and totally worth buying. But as for me and sugar---never never,
you realize honey has sugar in it, right?
...but it's natural...
...so it's chemically different...
...and doesn't count...
...because science.
so let me get this straight..its naturally, chemically, different? sounds legit....kind of like lucky charms are magically delicious...?
I always pick the marshmellows out of my lucky charms. Because disgusting.
Conclusion: No, they aren't magically delicious.
This is why you and I can never be friends.
I used to eat all the cereal out of my Lucky Charms so I would have a big pile of marshmallows to enjoy. The cereal was completely obligatory (because my parents would whip my *kitten* if they caught me throwing it away).
ETA: Wait a second...this is why we *should* be friends...so you can eat the cereal and I can eat the marshmallows. Win-win!
I like the way you think.
the best part of lucky charms was the sugary milk leftovers...oh wait, I should probably not say that on this thread...eject, eject, eject!!!!!!0 -
Also, the processed sources of sugar, such as Oreos, are actually engineered to cause a physiological addictive response (these are known as "highly palatable foods").
*kitten*!! I can never find my tinfoil hat when I need it!
oreos the new crack, who knew...?0 -
So if you have no problem with people (like me) dropping sugar from their collective diets, then why not just eat your way and I'll eat mine?
There are so many posts about who's 'right' on MFP, as if we all have the same body chemistry or the same experiences with food.
if you do not eat sugar that is fine.
I only have a problem with people who classify one form of sugar as 'good' and other forms as 'bad'0 -
it's a poor workman who blames his tools.
This is perfect example of someone else not understanding a behavioral addiction to food.
When I sit down and eat 20 Oreo cookies, hunger has absolutely nothing to do with it. I am eating them for pleasure.
I did this just last night - ate a sleeve of Oreos not 2 hours after eating a full dinner of PF Chang's. I did not eat them because I was hungry. I ate them because they tasted good.
I wonder why you logged PF Chang's, but not the Oreos ?0 -
I did some poking around pubmed for food and addiction and found this. Specifically 'sucrose and addiction'. For your perusal. I had no idea there was a Laboratory for Addictive Disorders! As such, of course they are biased, but apparently it passed peer review.
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Behav Pharmacol. 2012 Sep;23(5-6):593-602. doi: 10.1097/FBP.0b013e328357697f.
Withdrawal from chronic, intermittent access to a highly palatable food induces depressive-like behavior in compulsive eating rats.
Iemolo A, Valenza M, Tozier L, Knapp CM, Kornetsky C, Steardo L, Sabino V, Cottone P.
Source
Laboratory of Addictive Disorders, Department of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston, Massachusetts 02118, USA.
Abstract
The increased availability of highly palatable foods is a major contributing factor toward the development of compulsive eating in obesity and eating disorders. It has been proposed that compulsive eating may develop as a form of self-medication to alleviate the negative emotional state associated with withdrawal from highly palatable foods. This study was aimed at determining whether withdrawal from chronic, intermittent access to a highly palatable food was responsible for the emergence of depressive-like behavior. For this purpose, a group of male Wistar rats was provided a regular chow diet 7 days a week (Chow/Chow), whereas a second group of rats was provided chow for 5 days a week, followed by a 2-day access to a highly palatable sucrose diet (Chow/Palatable). Following 7 weeks of diet alternation, depressive-like behavior was assessed during withdrawal from the highly palatable diet and following renewed access to it, using the forced swim test, the sucrose consumption test, and the intracranial self-stimulation threshold procedure. It was found that Chow/Palatable rats withdrawn from the highly palatable diet showed increased immobility time in the forced swim test and decreased sucrose intake in the sucrose consumption test compared with the control Chow/Chow rats. Interestingly, the increased immobility in the forced swim test was abolished by renewing access to the highly palatable diet. No changes were observed in the intracranial self-stimulation threshold procedure. These results validate the hypothesis that withdrawal from highly palatable food is responsible for the emergence of depressive-like behavior, and they also show that compulsive eating relieves the withdrawal-induced negative emotional state.
PMID:
22854309
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]0 -
it's a poor workman who blames his tools.
This is perfect example of someone else not understanding a behavioral addiction to food.
When I sit down and eat 20 Oreo cookies, hunger has absolutely nothing to do with it. I am eating them for pleasure.
I did this just last night - ate a sleeve of Oreos not 2 hours after eating a full dinner of PF Chang's. I did not eat them because I was hungry. I ate them because they tasted good.
I wonder why you logged PF Chang's, but not the Oreos ?
In all honesty, why does that really matter?0 -
it's a poor workman who blames his tools.
This is perfect example of someone else not understanding a behavioral addiction to food.
When I sit down and eat 20 Oreo cookies, hunger has absolutely nothing to do with it. I am eating them for pleasure.
I did this just last night - ate a sleeve of Oreos not 2 hours after eating a full dinner of PF Chang's. I did not eat them because I was hungry. I ate them because they tasted good.
I wonder why you logged PF Chang's, but not the Oreos ?
In all honesty, why does that really matter?
I didn't say that, so I don't know exactly what they were thinking...
...but my answer would be because accurate logging is a foundational principle of the MFP approach to weight management.0 -
I did some poking around pubmed for food and addiction and found this. Specifically 'sucrose and addiction'. For your perusal. I had no idea there was a Laboratory for Addictive Disorders! As such, of course they are biased, but apparently it passed peer review.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________
Behav Pharmacol. 2012 Sep;23(5-6):593-602. doi: 10.1097/FBP.0b013e328357697f.
Withdrawal from chronic, intermittent access to a highly palatable food induces depressive-like behavior in compulsive eating rats.
Iemolo A, Valenza M, Tozier L, Knapp CM, Kornetsky C, Steardo L, Sabino V, Cottone P.
Source
Laboratory of Addictive Disorders, Department of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston, Massachusetts 02118, USA.
Abstract
The increased availability of highly palatable foods is a major contributing factor toward the development of compulsive eating in obesity and eating disorders. It has been proposed that compulsive eating may develop as a form of self-medication to alleviate the negative emotional state associated with withdrawal from highly palatable foods. This study was aimed at determining whether withdrawal from chronic, intermittent access to a highly palatable food was responsible for the emergence of depressive-like behavior. For this purpose, a group of male Wistar rats was provided a regular chow diet 7 days a week (Chow/Chow), whereas a second group of rats was provided chow for 5 days a week, followed by a 2-day access to a highly palatable sucrose diet (Chow/Palatable). Following 7 weeks of diet alternation, depressive-like behavior was assessed during withdrawal from the highly palatable diet and following renewed access to it, using the forced swim test, the sucrose consumption test, and the intracranial self-stimulation threshold procedure. It was found that Chow/Palatable rats withdrawn from the highly palatable diet showed increased immobility time in the forced swim test and decreased sucrose intake in the sucrose consumption test compared with the control Chow/Chow rats. Interestingly, the increased immobility in the forced swim test was abolished by renewing access to the highly palatable diet. No changes were observed in the intracranial self-stimulation threshold procedure. These results validate the hypothesis that withdrawal from highly palatable food is responsible for the emergence of depressive-like behavior, and they also show that compulsive eating relieves the withdrawal-induced negative emotional state.
PMID:
22854309
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
I want to know what this intracranial self stimulation thing is all about.0 -
I want to know what this intracranial self stimulation thing is all about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_stimulation_reward0 -
I want to know what this intracranial self stimulation thing is all about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_stimulation_reward
Yeah, I looked it up too. Doesn't sound as fun if they have to put in electrodes first.0 -
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I want to know what this intracranial self stimulation thing is all about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_stimulation_reward
Yeah, I looked it up too. Doesn't sound as fun if they have to put in electrodes first.
Yep. It pretty much looks like a science fiction movie. I'm a little afraid to Google 'forced swim'.0 -
"All sugar acts the same"
Not in all bodies. If it all acted the same then people with similar diets would always have similar insulin responses, and they don't. That's why diabetes exists.
I'm having trouble following this logic. If two people react differently to something, it's the something that is obviously different? I bet there's a catchy name for this kind of logical fallacy.0 -
I want to know what this intracranial self stimulation thing is all about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_stimulation_reward
Yeah, I looked it up too. Doesn't sound as fun if they have to put in electrodes first.
Yep. It pretty much looks like a science fiction movie. I'm a little afraid to Google 'forced swim'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioural_despair_test
It's actually kind of interesting. I see a correlate in posting on the boards. How long does it take to realize it's hopeless?0 -
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"All sugar acts the same"
Not in all bodies. If it all acted the same then people with similar diets would always have similar insulin responses, and they don't. That's why diabetes exists.
I'm having trouble following this logic. If two people react differently to something, it's the something that is obviously different? I bet there's a catchy name for this kind of logical fallacy.
I tried to figure out how to explain this more clearly... but it seems already pretty clear to me. Sugar doesn't act the same because people's bodies react differently to it.
Maybe if I said, "people shouldn't say all sugar acts the same way in all bodies" because you didn't know I was talking about how sugar acts when sugar was being consumed by a human?
So your position on this "seems already pretty clear to" you? I would hope so. My position is already pretty clear to me too.0 -
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I want to know what this intracranial self stimulation thing is all about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_stimulation_reward
Yeah, I looked it up too. Doesn't sound as fun if they have to put in electrodes first.
Yep. It pretty much looks like a science fiction movie. I'm a little afraid to Google 'forced swim'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioural_despair_test
It's actually kind of interesting. I see a correlate in posting on the boards. How long does it take to realize it's hopeless?
About a year, in my experience.0 -
I found out there was sugar in my broccoli. F-you Nature. Broccoli never again.0
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