why were people so skinny in the 70s?
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Watch the documentary on Netflix called Fed Up explains it all17
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Less stress overall, and certainly not the pressure to "keep up with the Jones'". Bought what you could afford in all areas of life, including food preparation. Eat to live, not live to eat mind-set. Values were different, children worked for their allowance, played outside, no entitlements. At least for this farm girl!
The phrase dates from the early 1900s so it's hard for me to believe that nobody in the 1970s was trying to "keep up with the Jonses."12 -
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janejellyroll wrote: »Less stress overall, and certainly not the pressure to "keep up with the Jones'". Bought what you could afford in all areas of life, including food preparation. Eat to live, not live to eat mind-set. Values were different, children worked for their allowance, played outside, no entitlements. At least for this farm girl!
The phrase dates from the early 1900s so it's hard for me to believe that nobody in the 1970s was trying to "keep up with the Jonses."
They were, but I believe there was a very different mindset in that area back then. As with everything it would certainly vary by region/culture, and my memories are those of a child, but I don't believe that in general there was the same sense of entitlement then as now.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Less stress overall, and certainly not the pressure to "keep up with the Jones'". Bought what you could afford in all areas of life, including food preparation. Eat to live, not live to eat mind-set. Values were different, children worked for their allowance, played outside, no entitlements. At least for this farm girl!
The phrase dates from the early 1900s so it's hard for me to believe that nobody in the 1970s was trying to "keep up with the Jonses."
They were, but I believe there was a very different mindset in that area back then. As with everything it would certainly vary by region/culture, and my memories are those of a child, but I don't believe that in general there was the same sense of entitlement then as now.
I'm not denying there are differences between then and now, but I don't think things like spending money you don't necessarily have in order to keep up appearances, coveting the possessions/success of those around you, or wanting a better position in life are things that have developed since the 1970s. It doesn't make sense that "Keeping up with the Joneses" developed since the 1970s when we've had a term to describe the behavior for over 100 years now.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Less stress overall, and certainly not the pressure to "keep up with the Jones'". Bought what you could afford in all areas of life, including food preparation. Eat to live, not live to eat mind-set. Values were different, children worked for their allowance, played outside, no entitlements. At least for this farm girl!
The phrase dates from the early 1900s so it's hard for me to believe that nobody in the 1970s was trying to "keep up with the Jonses."
They were, but I believe there was a very different mindset in that area back then. As with everything it would certainly vary by region/culture, and my memories are those of a child, but I don't believe that in general there was the same sense of entitlement then as now.
I'm not denying there are differences between then and now, but I don't think things like spending money you don't necessarily have in order to keep up appearances, coveting the possessions/success of those around you, or wanting a better position in life are things that have developed since the 1970s. It doesn't make sense that "Keeping up with the Joneses" developed since the 1970s when we've had a term to describe the behavior for over 100 years now.
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It was socially acceptable for women to eat small salads and take amphetamines (probably prescribed by their doctor like in my mom's case) Whereas now its more socially acceptable for women to buck those prior female stereotypical diets/regimes by eating steak and smashing beers. In my grandma's case (same time but generation before my mom) they had 1 family car and she walked to work 4k each way. It doesn't take a genius to see it's an increase in calories and decrease in activity.2
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No PCs; no tablets; no smartphones; no Facebook, no Twitter. People had to actually get up off their butts if they wanted to interact with people. Fewer fast-food options, too. There was McD's, BK, A&W, and DQ - that was about it. You had to actually cook food if you wanted to eat.4
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I have to laugh at the no processed food. Every single day my mom packed me a bologna sandwich, white processed bread and that cheese crap that you have to peel out from the protective wrapping. In school the favorite lunch was on Thursdays: Hamburgers, potato chips, cake and milk. Except for the milk there wasn't one thing healthy about that lunch. Even the hamburgers were processed. But, damn, the chocolate cake was amazing!
If you wanted to go to your friends house, you walked, rode your bike or roller skated. My mom was constantly shoo-ing us out of the house. "Go get the stink blown off you", she'd say.
I was a nerdy person who loved to read but to fulfill my addiction I had to bike to the closest book-mobile, which was miles away. And then try to ride back with a HUGE bag of books.
Bored? It was nothing to hop on my bike and just tool around the neighborhood.
My parents took us out for ice cream at least once a week. In the summers we all rode our bikes to the Dairy Queen.
Air conditioning was a luxury for most people so you went outside. You didn't lounge around inside the house. You ran through sprinklers, you swam at the local pool.
Man, you all are making me nostalgic.......
I think we grew up in the same family!1 -
We ate most of our meals at home. We ate out only on Friday night and shared 1 pizza between 6 people. We walked or biked to school from elementary school through high school. We walked to the local Boy's club and our friends' homes. If we wanted a sweet treat like RC Cola and Peanuts (it is a Southern thing), we had to get on our bikes and ride a mile to the local 7-11. We spent more time outside playing since we did not have an Atari until high school and only 1 TV for most of our childhood.2
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TorontoDiane wrote: »pretty easy answer as I was 17 at the height of the disco era.. we danced all the time, all night long.. kept active.. and when we werent dancing we were shopping for something to wear dancing.. so again lots of exercise.. and not wasting time on the computer, phone etc.. we just went out.. eat properly ... things are in overabundance in every way now.. simple fun is the way to go
I don't know that this is a 70s thing though. People in their late teens and into their 20s are generally far more active than they are when they "grow up" and get jobs sitting behind desks and whatnot.
I was in my late teens to early 20s in the 90s...I was always downtown clubbing...or hanging out with the fellas playing Frisbee golf or Ultimate Frisbee...or hiking in the mountains...or getting drunk and deciding to go walk the dog at 1 in the morning.
That all pretty much changed when I got a "real job" and didn't have the luxury of so much free time.4 -
More daily calories now vs then. Comparison between 1970 and 2008, for example:
Infographics from https://thesocietypages.org/graphicsociology/2011/04/11/nutrition-circles/
Original data from U.S. Trends in Food Availability and a Dietary Assessment of Loss-Adjusted Food Availability (although the link is a newer version of the report).
I don't have data to support it, but I feel like dining out was less common in the 70s than it is now.3 -
MonaLisaLianne wrote: »No PCs; no tablets; no smartphones; no Facebook, no Twitter. People had to actually get up off their butts if they wanted to interact with people. Fewer fast-food options, too. There was McD's, BK, A&W, and DQ - that was about it. You had to actually cook food if you wanted to eat.
And KFC, Taco Bell, Wendy's, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Hardee's, Long John Silver's, Wienerschnitzel...really, pretty much most fast foot available today was available in the 70s...
I was a child in the 70s and grew up through the 80s...all of that was widely available...we had KFC at Grandma's most Sundays after church or my dad would take us to Long John Silver's...my dad liked taking me to McDonald's on Saturday mornings for breakfast.
ETA: and I'll mention it again...statistically, about 1/2 of the U.S. population was classed as overweight or more in the 70s...so not everyone was "skinny". The biggest change in that regard was that there were less people classed as obese in the 70s and more people just in the overweight category vs today where we've seen a sharp rise in actual obesity, not just being overweight.
I think a lot of that comes down to general activity more than anything...even if you had a desk job in the 70s, you had to get up and move and do stuff like file and whatnot and you couldn't just email your colleagues something.4 -
BrianSharpe wrote: »1. No Internet.
2. No video games.
3. Home cooked meals (from scratch)
4. Kids played outside after school.
5. Parents didn't drive kids everywhere, we rode our bikes or walked.
This !
I grew up in Sweden as a kid in the 80s and very early 90's.
When I grew up we ate fast food maybe 1 -2 times a year. We were out running and playing all day long until dark. We had 2 tv channels and nothing was on until after 6pm. We had a car but only used it to drive on vacation or more than 5 miles away where public transit couldn't take us.
It was rare to see a fat person. We had 1 in our whole school that I remember.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »TorontoDiane wrote: »pretty easy answer as I was 17 at the height of the disco era.. we danced all the time, all night long.. kept active.. and when we werent dancing we were shopping for something to wear dancing.. so again lots of exercise.. and not wasting time on the computer, phone etc.. we just went out.. eat properly ... things are in overabundance in every way now.. simple fun is the way to go
I don't know that this is a 70s thing though. People in their late teens and into their 20s are generally far more active than they are when they "grow up" and get jobs sitting behind desks and whatnot.
I was in my late teens to early 20s in the 90s...I was always downtown clubbing...or hanging out with the fellas playing Frisbee golf or Ultimate Frisbee...or hiking in the mountains...or getting drunk and deciding to go walk the dog at 1 in the morning.
That all pretty much changed when I got a "real job" and didn't have the luxury of so much free time.
Yep. When my husband was in his 20s (in the 90s), he danced all the time. When I was in my 20s (in the 00s), I danced all the time. My sister who is now in her 20s, she goes out dancing all the time.
It's a behavior that (some) people age out of, not a specific 1970s thing.5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »TorontoDiane wrote: »pretty easy answer as I was 17 at the height of the disco era.. we danced all the time, all night long.. kept active.. and when we werent dancing we were shopping for something to wear dancing.. so again lots of exercise.. and not wasting time on the computer, phone etc.. we just went out.. eat properly ... things are in overabundance in every way now.. simple fun is the way to go
I don't know that this is a 70s thing though. People in their late teens and into their 20s are generally far more active than they are when they "grow up" and get jobs sitting behind desks and whatnot.
I was in my late teens to early 20s in the 90s...I was always downtown clubbing...or hanging out with the fellas playing Frisbee golf or Ultimate Frisbee...or hiking in the mountains...or getting drunk and deciding to go walk the dog at 1 in the morning.
That all pretty much changed when I got a "real job" and didn't have the luxury of so much free time.
Hmm..IDK..
Honestly, but I see a lot of overweight teens and early 20 something people. I went back to school 2 years ago and almost everybody in my class was in their 20s. Only 1 girl was by my judgement at a healthy weight. I am really not exaggerating. At least that's how it is in Chicago. I can see it is different in places like LA though were being fit is almost a must for the younger crowd.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »TorontoDiane wrote: »pretty easy answer as I was 17 at the height of the disco era.. we danced all the time, all night long.. kept active.. and when we werent dancing we were shopping for something to wear dancing.. so again lots of exercise.. and not wasting time on the computer, phone etc.. we just went out.. eat properly ... things are in overabundance in every way now.. simple fun is the way to go
I don't know that this is a 70s thing though. People in their late teens and into their 20s are generally far more active than they are when they "grow up" and get jobs sitting behind desks and whatnot.
I was in my late teens to early 20s in the 90s...I was always downtown clubbing...or hanging out with the fellas playing Frisbee golf or Ultimate Frisbee...or hiking in the mountains...or getting drunk and deciding to go walk the dog at 1 in the morning.
That all pretty much changed when I got a "real job" and didn't have the luxury of so much free time.
Yep. When my husband was in his 20s (in the 90s), he danced all the time. When I was in my 20s (in the 00s), I danced all the time. My sister who is now in her 20s, she goes out dancing all the time.
It's a behavior that (some) people age out of, not a specific 1970s thing.
My wife and I decided to get all nostalgic one date night and went downtown to go clubbing/dancing...it was weird and we were very out of place in our 40s...we left and went to get Thai food and then to a billiards bar...we definitely aged out.5 -
It's all pretty much been covered, but literal syrup wasn't being pumped into everything everyone ate, people cooked normal meals at home out of raw ingredients instead of eating out every day and ideas of portion sizes weren't as wildly skewed. More activity, especially for children who were encouraged to actually play outside (and it was considered safe enough to do so), and food lobbyists not yet pushing out the food pyramid with its bogus emphasis on grain.
People also did not drink thousands of calories of sugar a day because 32-44 oz of liquid candy with every meal and more in between was not something everyone just casually did or allowed for their kids.8 -
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Interesting for China
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I keep reading about how people were more active because there was no Internet etc... People read books and newspapers. People still watched tv (even if it was 3 channels instead of 200). I mean, I'm sure that kids were more active by then, but most kids I see have a normal weight.
I too also think that it has to do with portion control... or maybe the processed food we have now has more calories than it had then?
Hard to say for me, I was born at the end of the 70s and in another country, so I have absolutely no clue how it was then versus now.0 -
ThereAreManyNames wrote: »It's all pretty much been covered, but literal syrup wasn't being pumped into everything everyone ate, people cooked normal meals at home out of raw ingredients instead of eating out every day and ideas of portion sizes weren't as wildly skewed. More activity, especially for children who were encouraged to actually play outside (and it was considered safe enough to do so), and food lobbyists not yet pushing out the food pyramid with its bogus emphasis on grain.
People also did not drink thousands of calories of sugar a day because 32-44 oz of liquid candy with every meal and more in between was not something everyone just casually did or allowed for their kids.
Speaking as someone who was in my 20's during the 70's, you have no idea what you're talking about.
1) Syrup in all the food?? Where did you get that from?
2) The fantasy of people cooking "normal meals at home out of raw ingredients" is a 50's fantasy. Get your eras straight. The 70's saw a significant rise of families with all adults working, and the use of convenience foods, at least in my social circle, was definitely routine. Nobody ate out every day or lived on fast food - we were all working our *kitten* off to give our kids some of the extras we didn't have growing up (this is another generalization but true among the people I interacted with.)
3) All our kids were involved in organized sports of one kind or another - they were plenty active.
4) Do you seriously think the government food standards had much if any influence on what people eat, then and now? And yes there were food guidelines when we were in school (in the 60s!) that were similar to the infamous pyramid. We learned about them in cooking class - they had no impact on what most people ate at home.
5) Good grief, who was eating thousands of calories of sugar a day during any period of human history?? Where did you even see that? There was plenty of soda around in the 70's (and kool-ade all the way back to the 60's). There was also diet soda and of course water and milk. Nobody I ever met was all sugar all the time, and most people limited sugary drinks for their kids.
heads up - kittens are now love. Happy Valentine's day :drinker:13 -
GiddyupTim wrote: »My son can finish an entire small pizza. I could probably get pretty close myself, on a good day. In the 1970s, you had three slices, if you were really hungry!....
Again, doesn't match how the '70s went for me. We would go to Shakey's Pizza Parlor for their all-you-can-eat lunch of pizza, salad, fried chicken and mojo (fried/seasoned) potatoes. My record was 22 slices of pizza, along with a few chicken drumsticks and a dozen or so mojo potato slices. I was around 15-16 at the time. A small pizza wouldn't even have counted as a warm-up for me at that time.
This makes me nostalgic. I remember we went to Shakeys once and, for whatever reason they couldn't make medium pizza's so all 6 teenaged boys (we went with my parents and their friends) ended up with a large pizza each. We had no issue eating them.
Does Shakey's still exit? Time for google.
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ThereAreManyNames wrote: »It's all pretty much been covered, but literal syrup wasn't being pumped into everything everyone ate, people cooked normal meals at home out of raw ingredients instead of eating out every day and ideas of portion sizes weren't as wildly skewed. More activity, especially for children who were encouraged to actually play outside (and it was considered safe enough to do so), and food lobbyists not yet pushing out the food pyramid with its bogus emphasis on grain.
People also did not drink thousands of calories of sugar a day because 32-44 oz of liquid candy with every meal and more in between was not something everyone just casually did or allowed for their kids.
Syrup in everything that everyone eats?
Thinks back on the two meals I've had today wondering what I don't know about . . .6 -
ThereAreManyNames wrote: »It's all pretty much been covered, but literal syrup wasn't being pumped into everything everyone ate, people cooked normal meals at home out of raw ingredients instead of eating out every day and ideas of portion sizes weren't as wildly skewed. More activity, especially for children who were encouraged to actually play outside (and it was considered safe enough to do so), and food lobbyists not yet pushing out the food pyramid with its bogus emphasis on grain.
People also did not drink thousands of calories of sugar a day because 32-44 oz of liquid candy with every meal and more in between was not something everyone just casually did or allowed for their kids.
Speaking as someone who was in my 20's during the 70's, you have no idea what you're talking about.
1) Syrup in all the food?? Where did you get that from?
2) The fantasy of people cooking "normal meals at home out of raw ingredients" is a 50's fantasy. Get your eras straight. The 70's saw a significant rise of families with all adults working, and the use of convenience foods, at least in my social circle, was definitely routine. Nobody ate out every day or lived on fast food - we were all working our *love* off to give our kids some of the extras we didn't have growing up (this is another generalization but true among the people I interacted with.)
3) All our kids were involved in organized sports of one kind or another - they were plenty active.
4) Do you seriously think the government food standards had much if any influence on what people eat, then and now? And yes there were food guidelines when we were in school (in the 60s!) that were similar to the infamous pyramid. We learned about them in cooking class - they had no impact on what most people ate at home.
5) Good grief, who was eating thousands of calories of sugar a day during any period of human history?? Where did you even see that? There was plenty of soda around in the 70's (and kool-ade all the way back to the 60's). There was also diet soda and of course water and milk. Nobody I ever met was all sugar all the time, and most people limited sugary drinks for their kids.
heads up - kittens are now love. Happy Valentine's day :drinker:
1) I believe the syrup in food was referring to today, not the 70's, since the post says "syrup wasn't being pumped into everything ". I assume this refers to HFCS
3) Not the case where I lived. Most of the boys played little league baseball. Probably only about 1/4 - 1/3 of kids were involved in school sports. We were very active, much more so than most kids today. But most of the activity where I grew up was play, not organized sports.
4) actually that post is correct about the food pyramid. After the 70's the recommendation from the USDA for grains more than doubled. https://www.choosemyplate.gov/brief-history-usda-food-guides2 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »ThereAreManyNames wrote: »It's all pretty much been covered, but literal syrup wasn't being pumped into everything everyone ate, people cooked normal meals at home out of raw ingredients instead of eating out every day and ideas of portion sizes weren't as wildly skewed. More activity, especially for children who were encouraged to actually play outside (and it was considered safe enough to do so), and food lobbyists not yet pushing out the food pyramid with its bogus emphasis on grain.
People also did not drink thousands of calories of sugar a day because 32-44 oz of liquid candy with every meal and more in between was not something everyone just casually did or allowed for their kids.
Speaking as someone who was in my 20's during the 70's, you have no idea what you're talking about.
1) Syrup in all the food?? Where did you get that from?
2) The fantasy of people cooking "normal meals at home out of raw ingredients" is a 50's fantasy. Get your eras straight. The 70's saw a significant rise of families with all adults working, and the use of convenience foods, at least in my social circle, was definitely routine. Nobody ate out every day or lived on fast food - we were all working our *love* off to give our kids some of the extras we didn't have growing up (this is another generalization but true among the people I interacted with.)
3) All our kids were involved in organized sports of one kind or another - they were plenty active.
4) Do you seriously think the government food standards had much if any influence on what people eat, then and now? And yes there were food guidelines when we were in school (in the 60s!) that were similar to the infamous pyramid. We learned about them in cooking class - they had no impact on what most people ate at home.
5) Good grief, who was eating thousands of calories of sugar a day during any period of human history?? Where did you even see that? There was plenty of soda around in the 70's (and kool-ade all the way back to the 60's). There was also diet soda and of course water and milk. Nobody I ever met was all sugar all the time, and most people limited sugary drinks for their kids.
heads up - kittens are now love. Happy Valentine's day :drinker:
1) I believe the syrup in food was referring to today, not the 70's, since the post says "syrup wasn't being pumped into everything ". I assume this refers to HFCS
3) Not the case where I lived. Most of the boys played little league baseball. Probably only about 1/4 - 1/3 of kids were involved in school sports. We were very active, much more so than most kids today. But most of the activity where I grew up was play, not organized sports.
4) actually that post is correct about the food pyramid. After the 70's the recommendation from the USDA for grains more than doubled. https://www.choosemyplate.gov/brief-history-usda-food-guides
1) Yeah, looking back I got confused going back and forth between the 70s and today. I meant to question the comment in the context of today - addressing the hyperbole. Didn't make myself clear.
3) Agree, your experience would of course be different than mine or anybody else's.
4) My point there was that I don't think most people take government food standards into account when meal planning, regardless of the recommendations. Again, didn't make myself clear
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »ThereAreManyNames wrote: »It's all pretty much been covered, but literal syrup wasn't being pumped into everything everyone ate, people cooked normal meals at home out of raw ingredients instead of eating out every day and ideas of portion sizes weren't as wildly skewed. More activity, especially for children who were encouraged to actually play outside (and it was considered safe enough to do so), and food lobbyists not yet pushing out the food pyramid with its bogus emphasis on grain.
People also did not drink thousands of calories of sugar a day because 32-44 oz of liquid candy with every meal and more in between was not something everyone just casually did or allowed for their kids.
Speaking as someone who was in my 20's during the 70's, you have no idea what you're talking about.
1) Syrup in all the food?? Where did you get that from?
2) The fantasy of people cooking "normal meals at home out of raw ingredients" is a 50's fantasy. Get your eras straight. The 70's saw a significant rise of families with all adults working, and the use of convenience foods, at least in my social circle, was definitely routine. Nobody ate out every day or lived on fast food - we were all working our *love* off to give our kids some of the extras we didn't have growing up (this is another generalization but true among the people I interacted with.)
3) All our kids were involved in organized sports of one kind or another - they were plenty active.
4) Do you seriously think the government food standards had much if any influence on what people eat, then and now? And yes there were food guidelines when we were in school (in the 60s!) that were similar to the infamous pyramid. We learned about them in cooking class - they had no impact on what most people ate at home.
5) Good grief, who was eating thousands of calories of sugar a day during any period of human history?? Where did you even see that? There was plenty of soda around in the 70's (and kool-ade all the way back to the 60's). There was also diet soda and of course water and milk. Nobody I ever met was all sugar all the time, and most people limited sugary drinks for their kids.
heads up - kittens are now love. Happy Valentine's day :drinker:
1) I believe the syrup in food was referring to today, not the 70's, since the post says "syrup wasn't being pumped into everything ". I assume this refers to HFCS
3) Not the case where I lived. Most of the boys played little league baseball. Probably only about 1/4 - 1/3 of kids were involved in school sports. We were very active, much more so than most kids today. But most of the activity where I grew up was play, not organized sports.
4) actually that post is correct about the food pyramid. After the 70's the recommendation from the USDA for grains more than doubled. https://www.choosemyplate.gov/brief-history-usda-food-guides
If it's referring to HFCS, then it's just wrong. HFCS isn't pumped into everything. It's in a wide variety of products, but it's also very simple to find things in the average grocery store that don't have it.8 -
There are a number of reasons that by themselves are rather insignificant, but come together to form a larger trend. Among the other reasons mentioned (that aren't laden in childhood nostalgia), there are a few others that I've noticed that I would like to add. Please note that my answers are USA-centric, and obviously they don't capture the whole story -- there are other, much bigger factors I left out, because I felt they've already been stated enough already earlier in this thread:
* Lower prevalence of desk jobs. There obviously were desk jobs in the 70s, but prior to the affordable desktop computer and the internet, the US economy was not primarily a service economy as it is today. More people were working more active jobs.
* Decreased food options/variety. Increasing food variety often correlates with increased intake. Today, I live in the suburbs near two major cities. I could pop open Yelp right now, pick any type of cuisine I could possibly dream of, and probably find at least 3 restaurants which serve that cuisine right now. Even my boyfriend, who grew up in the sticks not really very close to any city, still had quite a few restaurant options growing up. Going out to eat is not that interesting or worth the money if most of the restaurants around you serve the same kind of food. It never gets boring if there's always something new you can try. Likewise, in the store, there isn't just 4-5 different kinds of soda and a few brands of chips, there's a 100 different kinds of soda and a 1000 different kinds of chips, with more to come. The variety is endless. It's pretty hard to get bored of junk when there keeps coming out new and interesting variations.
* Less marketing to children. This started picking up in the 70s, but didn't become a really sophisticated, concentrated effort until the 1980s. There's some more information here about this. Of course, this goes hand-in-hand with how many hours children spend watching TV -- as the number of hours children spend watching TV goes up, so too does the number of opportunities to market junk food to them.2
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