Do Paleo-eaters hate Darwin?
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Can I still eat Steak? That is all I really need to know.0
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AgreedSince the theory of evolution completely destroys the logic of paleo-dieting?
How does the theory of evolution say we have to eat processed foods out of boxes? O_o I'm not sure how that works.
maybe because humans have evolved to the point where we can handle processed foods...?? Evolution implies that we are moving forward and improving over previous generations. Paleo seems to say - paraphrasing here - that we should eat like our ancestors who lived 100,000 years ago, or whatever, which totally ignores the fact that humans have evolved over 100,000 years..which I believe is what OP is trying to say ..
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong OP
I completely agree that we have evolved, and some people take the whole "Paleo eating" lifestyle to the extreme for no reason. But some of these processed foods have some scary ingredients in them. Especially in the US, there are foods that are allowed here that are banned in other countries due to the ingredients in them.
processed can mean a lot of different things...techincially if you kill a cow, cut off certain cuts of steak (ribeye, tbone, etc), and then buy a ribeye then that is processed..now is that bad for you? I say no ..0 -
processed can mean a lot of different things...techincially if you kill a cow, cut off certain cuts of steak (ribeye, tbone, etc), and then buy a ribeye then that is processed..now is that bad for you? I say no ..
I don't consider stuff like that as being heavily processed...that's nit-picking and a little crazy IMO. I'm referring to things boxed macaroni and cheese or meals in a box where you only add the meat..those sort of things. Conevenient? Yes. Tasty? Most definitively. Would I rather eat something else such as a big ole steak? Every day!0 -
And, again, why is what non-US countries do right and what the US does wrong? The US bans certain things other coutries allow. The US says they're very bad for health. Other countries say they aren't.
processed can mean a lot of different things...techincially if you kill a cow, cut off certain cuts of steak (ribeye, tbone, etc), and then buy a ribeye then that is processed..now is that bad for you? I say no ..
I don't consider stuff like that as being heavily processed...that's nit-picking and a little crazy IMO. I'm referring to things boxed macaroni and cheese or meals in a box where you only add the meat..those sort of things. Conevenient? Yes. Tasty? Most definitively. Would I rather eat something else such as a big ole steak? Every day!
Your argument is silly.0 -
processed can mean a lot of different things...techincially if you kill a cow, cut off certain cuts of steak (ribeye, tbone, etc), and then buy a ribeye then that is processed..now is that bad for you? I say no ..
I don't consider stuff like that as being heavily processed...that's nit-picking and a little crazy IMO. I'm referring to things boxed macaroni and cheese or meals in a box where you only add the meat..those sort of things. Conevenient? Yes. Tasty? Most definitively. Would I rather eat something else such as a big ole steak? Every day!
mac and cheese is bad? For real???? I should be dead by then now...I grew up on that stuff..still eat it from time to time...I mean all that is, is pasta and cheese...0 -
And, again, why is what non-US countries do right and what the US does wrong? The US bans certain things other coutries allow. The US says they're very bad for health. Other countries say they aren't.
processed can mean a lot of different things...techincially if you kill a cow, cut off certain cuts of steak (ribeye, tbone, etc), and then buy a ribeye then that is processed..now is that bad for you? I say no ..
I don't consider stuff like that as being heavily processed...that's nit-picking and a little crazy IMO. I'm referring to things boxed macaroni and cheese or meals in a box where you only add the meat..those sort of things. Conevenient? Yes. Tasty? Most definitively. Would I rather eat something else such as a big ole steak? Every day!
Your argument is silly.
Because the US is completely backwards when it comes to nutrition and what is acceptable. As silly as my opinion is, it's mine. If you want to eat and feed your kids food that has stuff in it you really shouldn't be eating then have at it. Why does food need tons of added chemicals and food dyes? There is actually food that ISN'T even food but is loaded with chemicals and flavorings to TASTE like the actual food. Not to mention other countries ban imports from the US because of our food supply.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130819-lab-food-credible-or-inedible
http://www.nowthatsnifty.com/2012/02/gross-fast-food-ingredients.html#.UmgFkFPJZxk
I don't want food that tastes like real food, I want the real food.0 -
AgreedSince the theory of evolution completely destroys the logic of paleo-dieting?
How does the theory of evolution say we have to eat processed foods out of boxes? O_o I'm not sure how that works.
maybe because humans have evolved to the point where we can handle processed foods...?? Evolution implies that we are moving forward and improving over previous generations. Paleo seems to say - paraphrasing here - that we should eat like our ancestors who lived 100,000 years ago, or whatever, which totally ignores the fact that humans have evolved over 100,000 years..which I believe is what OP is trying to say ..
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong OP
I feel there is a middle ground here. While I do believe our digestive systems have evolved a little from the times of the Red Deer Cave People or the Denisova hominin (approx 41,000 yag) I think that Paleo Dieting makes a little more sense when you take in to consideration how little evolution can be accomplshed over, say 5,000 years. 5,000 years is a blip on evolution's timeline, not much can happen from a physiological standpoint, but our diets as Homo Sapiens have drastivally changed within the past 5,000 years due to the growth of our civilization.0 -
processed can mean a lot of different things...techincially if you kill a cow, cut off certain cuts of steak (ribeye, tbone, etc), and then buy a ribeye then that is processed..now is that bad for you? I say no ..
I don't consider stuff like that as being heavily processed...that's nit-picking and a little crazy IMO. I'm referring to things boxed macaroni and cheese or meals in a box where you only add the meat..those sort of things. Convenient? Yes. Tasty? Most definitively. Would I rather eat something else such as a big ole steak? Every day!
mac and cheese is bad? For real???? I should be dead by then now...I grew up on that stuff..still eat it from time to time...I mean all that is, is pasta and cheese...
But it's not even real cheese. I didn't say it was bad or you shouldn't eat it, I just prefer not to. To each his own.0 -
OMG. The US also bans imports from other countries.
And, again, why is what non-US countries do right and what the US does wrong? The US bans certain things other coutries allow. The US says they're very bad for health. Other countries say they aren't.
processed can mean a lot of different things...techincially if you kill a cow, cut off certain cuts of steak (ribeye, tbone, etc), and then buy a ribeye then that is processed..now is that bad for you? I say no ..
I don't consider stuff like that as being heavily processed...that's nit-picking and a little crazy IMO. I'm referring to things boxed macaroni and cheese or meals in a box where you only add the meat..those sort of things. Conevenient? Yes. Tasty? Most definitively. Would I rather eat something else such as a big ole steak? Every day!
Your argument is silly.
Because the US is completely backwards when it comes to nutrition and what is acceptable. As silly as my opinion is, it's mine. If you want to eat and feed your kids food that has stuff in it you really shouldn't be eating then have at it. Why does food need tons of added chemicals and food dyes? There is actually food that ISN'T even food but is loaded with chemicals and flavorings to TASTE like the actual food. Not to mention other countries ban imports from the US because of our food supply.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130819-lab-food-credible-or-inedible
http://www.nowthatsnifty.com/2012/02/gross-fast-food-ingredients.html#.UmgFkFPJZxk
I don't want food that tastes like real food, I want the real food.
That's the point. Every country has its rules. Why is the US backwards and other countries are correct? I don't see Americans dropping dead left and right from our food supply.0 -
Didn't we "evolve" to digest dairy?
not completely, lactose intolerant.0 -
OMG. The US also bans imports from other countries.
That's the point. Every country has its rules. Why is the US backwards and other countries are correct? I don't see Americans dropping dead left and right from our food supply.
"The 3,000 annual deaths and 130,000 hospitalizations due to foodborne illness, though tragic, are miniscule compared with other deaths related to our diet. Every year at least 310,000 Americans go to an early grave and many more are sickened because of largely preventable diet-related conditions such as heart disease, diabetes, obesity, hypertension, strokes, and some cancers. The big problem with our food supply isn’t pathogens, it is processed food. We’re being killed not by E. coli, salmonella, or campylobacter, but by the nutritionally hollow contents of the bags, boxes, and fast-food clamshells that have managed to pass as nourishment in our society." - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/01/our-unsafe-food-supply-is-killing-us.html
This is from 2012, but still relevant - "Two U.S. health and environment organizations sued the federal government on Wednesday for what the groups say is a failure to implement and enforce a new food safety law that could help prevent thousands of deaths caused by food-borne illnesses each year." - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/30/usa-food-lawsuit-idUSL2E8JTH2220120830
That was found with a quick search. You saying people don't die from eating sh!tty foods is naive. You can come back and talk about how people can't afford to eat healthy or with whatever excuse you want, but you can't deny the fact that our country is the fattest in the world and pretending it has nothing to do with what we eat as a society is like sticking your head in the sand. Yes it has a lot to do with portion control and lack of activity as well, but food has a big part in it and the majority of people eat anything that comes in a paper bag handed through a drive through window and smells good.0 -
OMG. The US also bans imports from other countries.
And, again, why is what non-US countries do right and what the US does wrong? The US bans certain things other coutries allow. The US says they're very bad for health. Other countries say they aren't.
processed can mean a lot of different things...techincially if you kill a cow, cut off certain cuts of steak (ribeye, tbone, etc), and then buy a ribeye then that is processed..now is that bad for you? I say no ..
I don't consider stuff like that as being heavily processed...that's nit-picking and a little crazy IMO. I'm referring to things boxed macaroni and cheese or meals in a box where you only add the meat..those sort of things. Conevenient? Yes. Tasty? Most definitively. Would I rather eat something else such as a big ole steak? Every day!
Your argument is silly.
Because the US is completely backwards when it comes to nutrition and what is acceptable. As silly as my opinion is, it's mine. If you want to eat and feed your kids food that has stuff in it you really shouldn't be eating then have at it. Why does food need tons of added chemicals and food dyes? There is actually food that ISN'T even food but is loaded with chemicals and flavorings to TASTE like the actual food. Not to mention other countries ban imports from the US because of our food supply.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130819-lab-food-credible-or-inedible
http://www.nowthatsnifty.com/2012/02/gross-fast-food-ingredients.html#.UmgFkFPJZxk
I don't want food that tastes like real food, I want the real food.
That's the point. Every country has its rules. Why is the US backwards and other countries are correct? I don't see Americans dropping dead left and right from our food supply.
I think your missing the point...
maybe you should check what foods are being banned, and the reason behind it. America bans stuff too your right, but it usually has more to do with financial impact then it does with health...
or you know you can keep on doing the Murica! thing.0 -
OMG. The US also bans imports from other countries.
That's the point. Every country has its rules. Why is the US backwards and other countries are correct? I don't see Americans dropping dead left and right from our food supply.
I think your missing the point...
maybe you should check what foods are being banned, and the reason behind it. America bans stuff too your right, but it usually has more to do with financial impact then it does with health...
or you know you can keep on doing the Murica! thing.
^^ Yes! All hail 'Murica !! -_-0 -
That assumes those are our only choices. That assumes only Americans are obese or have heart disease.
OMG. The US also bans imports from other countries.
That's the point. Every country has its rules. Why is the US backwards and other countries are correct? I don't see Americans dropping dead left and right from our food supply.
"The 3,000 annual deaths and 130,000 hospitalizations due to foodborne illness, though tragic, are miniscule compared with other deaths related to our diet. Every year at least 310,000 Americans go to an early grave and many more are sickened because of largely preventable diet-related conditions such as heart disease, diabetes, obesity, hypertension, strokes, and some cancers. The big problem with our food supply isn’t pathogens, it is processed food. We’re being killed not by E. coli, salmonella, or campylobacter, but by the nutritionally hollow contents of the bags, boxes, and fast-food clamshells that have managed to pass as nourishment in our society." - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/01/our-unsafe-food-supply-is-killing-us.html
This is from 2012, but still relevant - "Two U.S. health and environment organizations sued the federal government on Wednesday for what the groups say is a failure to implement and enforce a new food safety law that could help prevent thousands of deaths caused by food-borne illnesses each year." - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/30/usa-food-lawsuit-idUSL2E8JTH2220120830
That was found with a quick search. You saying people don't die from eating sh!tty foods is naive. You can come back and talk about how people can't afford to eat healthy or with whatever excuse you want, but you can't deny the fact that our country is the fattest in the world and pretending it has nothing to do with what we eat as a society is like sticking your head in the sand. Yes it has a lot to do with portion control and lack of activity as well, but food has a big part in it and the majority of people eat anything that comes in a paper bag handed through a drive through window and smells good.
I live in the US. I eat fruits and vegetables and very rarely packaged, processed foods. Because I make that choice for myself. The government isn't forcing processed, packaged foods down people's throats, nor is it forcing a single person to overeat and not exercise, which are the reasons people are overweight and have heart disease.
What I'm saying is that if I go out today and eat a box of macaroni and cheese in an otherwise healthy diet and exercise lifestyle, I am not going to die from it. It isn't dangerous. It's that people overindulge and then are so lazy that they complain about the 80-step walk from their desks to the water fountain.0 -
I'm NOT doing the all hail 'Murica thing. I'm pointing out a major flaw in your argument.
OMG. The US also bans imports from other countries.
That's the point. Every country has its rules. Why is the US backwards and other countries are correct? I don't see Americans dropping dead left and right from our food supply.
I think your missing the point...
maybe you should check what foods are being banned, and the reason behind it. America bans stuff too your right, but it usually has more to do with financial impact then it does with health...
or you know you can keep on doing the Murica! thing.
^^ Yes! All hail 'Murica !! -_-
But go ahead and throw insults. It just means I'm winning the debate. :flowerforyou: You have nothing else to back yourself up.0 -
That assumes those are our only choices. That assumes only Americans are obese or have heart disease.
OMG. The US also bans imports from other countries.
That's the point. Every country has its rules. Why is the US backwards and other countries are correct? I don't see Americans dropping dead left and right from our food supply.
"The 3,000 annual deaths and 130,000 hospitalizations due to foodborne illness, though tragic, are miniscule compared with other deaths related to our diet. Every year at least 310,000 Americans go to an early grave and many more are sickened because of largely preventable diet-related conditions such as heart disease, diabetes, obesity, hypertension, strokes, and some cancers. The big problem with our food supply isn’t pathogens, it is processed food. We’re being killed not by E. coli, salmonella, or campylobacter, but by the nutritionally hollow contents of the bags, boxes, and fast-food clamshells that have managed to pass as nourishment in our society." - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/01/our-unsafe-food-supply-is-killing-us.html
This is from 2012, but still relevant - "Two U.S. health and environment organizations sued the federal government on Wednesday for what the groups say is a failure to implement and enforce a new food safety law that could help prevent thousands of deaths caused by food-borne illnesses each year." - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/30/usa-food-lawsuit-idUSL2E8JTH2220120830
That was found with a quick search. You saying people don't die from eating sh!tty foods is naive. You can come back and talk about how people can't afford to eat healthy or with whatever excuse you want, but you can't deny the fact that our country is the fattest in the world and pretending it has nothing to do with what we eat as a society is like sticking your head in the sand. Yes it has a lot to do with portion control and lack of activity as well, but food has a big part in it and the majority of people eat anything that comes in a paper bag handed through a drive through window and smells good.
I live in the US. I eat fruits and vegetables and very rarely packaged, processed foods. Because I make that choice for myself. The government isn't forcing processed, packaged foods down people's throats, nor is it forcing a single person to overeat and not exercise, which are the reasons people are overweight and have heart disease.
What I'm saying is that if I go out today and eat a box of macaroni and cheese in an otherwise healthy diet and exercise lifestyle, I am not going to die from it. It isn't dangerous. It's that people overindulge and then are so lazy that they complain about the 80-step walk from their desks to the water fountain.
Well who would want freedom to choose their own diets in a free society? We should let the government make ALL our dietary choices. /sarcasm0 -
That assumes those are our only choices. That assumes only Americans are obese or have heart disease.
I live in the US. I eat fruits and vegetables and very rarely packaged, processed foods. Because I make that choice for myself. The government isn't forcing processed, packaged foods down people's throats, nor is it forcing a single person to overeat and not exercise, which are the reasons people are overweight and have heart disease.
What I'm saying is that if I go out today and eat a box of macaroni and cheese in an otherwise healthy diet and exercise lifestyle, I am not going to die from it. It isn't dangerous. It's that people overindulge and then are so lazy that they complain about the 80-step walk from their desks to the water fountain.
Stop doing so much assuming. Those articles do not say anything about Americans being the only obese people and only Americans have heart disease, try reading them. You are taking my point completely out of context and twisting my words. Nowhere did i say that eating a few meals here and there of processed foods is going to give you heart disease or cancer. I shared some resources to show that people DO actually die from their food choices. It happens every day (not from a single meal -_-), just because you don't personally see it with your own eyes doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Nor did I claim the government is force feeding people and keeping them from exercising. Don't twist my comment around to fit your own argument.Well who would want freedom to choose their own diets in a free society? We should let the government make ALL our dietary choices. /sarcasm
Eat what you want, nobody is telling you otherwise.0 -
Well silly US laws ban the sale or importation of the Kinder Surprise (basically a chocolate egg with a small toy in the hollow centre).The 1938 Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act contains a section highlighting that a confectionery product with a non-nutritive object, partially or totally imbedded within it, cannot be sold within the United States, unless the FDA issues a regulation that the non-nutritive object has functional value.[8] Essentially, the 1938 Act bans “the sale of any candy that has imbedded in it a toy or trinket.”[9]
In 2012 the FDA re-issued their import alert stating “The imbedded non-nutritive objects in these confectionery products may pose a public health risk as the consumer may unknowingly choke on the object.”[10]0 -
And, again, how is this due to the US being backwards? This is directly due to pepole CHOOSING to eat too much and move too little. Period. End of story. It does not mean our food is some kind of poison.Stop doing so much assuming. Those articles do not say anything about Americans being the only obese people and only Americans have heart disease, try reading them. You are taking my point completely out of context and twisting my words. Nowhere did i say that eating a few meals here and there of processed foods is going to give you heart disease or cancer. I shared some resources to show that people DO actually die from their food choices. It happens every day (not from a single meal -_-), just because you don't personally see it with your own eyes doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Nor did I claim the government is force feeding people and keeping them from exercising. Don't twist my comment around to fit your own argument.
So you posted articles that have nothing to do with your original argument. Make up your mind. My head is spinning.0 -
That assumes those are our only choices. That assumes only Americans are obese or have heart disease.
OMG. The US also bans imports from other countries.
That's the point. Every country has its rules. Why is the US backwards and other countries are correct? I don't see Americans dropping dead left and right from our food supply.
"The 3,000 annual deaths and 130,000 hospitalizations due to foodborne illness, though tragic, are miniscule compared with other deaths related to our diet. Every year at least 310,000 Americans go to an early grave and many more are sickened because of largely preventable diet-related conditions such as heart disease, diabetes, obesity, hypertension, strokes, and some cancers. The big problem with our food supply isn’t pathogens, it is processed food. We’re being killed not by E. coli, salmonella, or campylobacter, but by the nutritionally hollow contents of the bags, boxes, and fast-food clamshells that have managed to pass as nourishment in our society." - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/01/our-unsafe-food-supply-is-killing-us.html
This is from 2012, but still relevant - "Two U.S. health and environment organizations sued the federal government on Wednesday for what the groups say is a failure to implement and enforce a new food safety law that could help prevent thousands of deaths caused by food-borne illnesses each year." - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/30/usa-food-lawsuit-idUSL2E8JTH2220120830
That was found with a quick search. You saying people don't die from eating sh!tty foods is naive. You can come back and talk about how people can't afford to eat healthy or with whatever excuse you want, but you can't deny the fact that our country is the fattest in the world and pretending it has nothing to do with what we eat as a society is like sticking your head in the sand. Yes it has a lot to do with portion control and lack of activity as well, but food has a big part in it and the majority of people eat anything that comes in a paper bag handed through a drive through window and smells good.
I live in the US. I eat fruits and vegetables and very rarely packaged, processed foods. Because I make that choice for myself. The government isn't forcing processed, packaged foods down people's throats, nor is it forcing a single person to overeat and not exercise, which are the reasons people are overweight and have heart disease.
What I'm saying is that if I go out today and eat a box of macaroni and cheese in an otherwise healthy diet and exercise lifestyle, I am not going to die from it. It isn't dangerous. It's that people overindulge and then are so lazy that they complain about the 80-step walk from their desks to the water fountain.
You are taking my point completely out of context. Nowhere did i say that eating a few meals here and there of processed foods is going to give you heart disease or cancer. I shared some resources to show that people DO actually die from their food choices. It happens every day (not from a single meal -_-), just because you don't personally see it with your own eyes doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Nor did I claim the government is force feeding people and keeping them from exercising. Don't twist my comment around to fit your own argument.Well who would want freedom to choose their own diets in a free society? We should let the government make ALL our dietary choices. /sarcasm
Eat what you want, nobody is telling you otherwise.
But you are suggesting that because the US government gives its citizens the freedom to make their own dietary choices where other countries do not, that the government is somehow intentionally causing harm, and that the increase in obesity is to be blamed on lack of government regulation and food capitalists, rather than on personal accountability.0 -
Since the theory of evolution completely destroys the logic of paleo-dieting?
Well, not really it doesn't. Evolution (and other sciences) suggests that we (humans) have evolved to eat whatever is available. If we can get nutrients (calories) from it and it doesn't kill us before we get to mate, we eat it. Different societies have and still do wildly different diets, from virtually all meat to very high carbohydrate. Jared Diamond, in Guns, Germs and Steel suggests that we have, wherever we find ourselves, been able to sustain ourselves on whatever plants and animals are available locally. Some plants require quite extensive processing before they are suitable for eating though (e.g. masa).
It seems to me that what Paleo does do is cherry-pick a few half-understood ideas from evolution, anthropology and the like and smush them into a half-baked theory of what we should eat nowadays. Basically, they say that cavemen evolved to eat it, and humans have not had time to adapt (evolve) to "modern" agriculture in the past 10,000 years. So, if cavemen didn't eat it nor should we. The ignore of course that we have no idea exactly what cavemen really did eat. They ignore that there was no monolithic caveman cuisine. They ignore that the fruit and veggies available today were not available to cavemen. They ignore evolution, gut microbiota and other science that say other than what they want to hear. Or they say "ignore the caveman behind the curtain!"
So no, they don't hate Darwin. He just gets misused and abused yet again.
Eat what you want. But the Paleo diet is basically based on pseudoscience.0 -
I'm NOT doing the all hail 'Murica thing. I'm pointing out a major flaw in your argument.
OMG. The US also bans imports from other countries.
That's the point. Every country has its rules. Why is the US backwards and other countries are correct? I don't see Americans dropping dead left and right from our food supply.
I think your missing the point...
maybe you should check what foods are being banned, and the reason behind it. America bans stuff too your right, but it usually has more to do with financial impact then it does with health...
or you know you can keep on doing the Murica! thing.
^^ Yes! All hail 'Murica !! -_-
But go ahead and throw insults. It just means I'm winning the debate. :flowerforyou: You have nothing else to back yourself up.
I was never debating you, nor was i trying to convince you I was, I made a statement that maybe you should look at stuff reasonable and unbiased with out a value of internet competition attached to it.0 -
You jumped into the middle of something to slam me as being somehow uninformed and accuse me of doing something I'm not.
I'm NOT doing the all hail 'Murica thing. I'm pointing out a major flaw in your argument.
OMG. The US also bans imports from other countries.
That's the point. Every country has its rules. Why is the US backwards and other countries are correct? I don't see Americans dropping dead left and right from our food supply.
I think your missing the point...
maybe you should check what foods are being banned, and the reason behind it. America bans stuff too your right, but it usually has more to do with financial impact then it does with health...
or you know you can keep on doing the Murica! thing.
^^ Yes! All hail 'Murica !! -_-
But go ahead and throw insults. It just means I'm winning the debate. :flowerforyou: You have nothing else to back yourself up.
I was never debating you, nor was i trying to convince you I was, I made a statement that maybe you should look at stuff reasonable and unbiased with out a value of internet competition attached to it.
I simply pointed out that just because other coutnries don't allow things America does doesn't automatically make those things bad. Just like other countires allowing things America doesn't doesn't autimatically make THOSE things bad.
Whenever there's a discussion such as this, there is ALWAYS at least one person who jumps in to bash the US. Always.
And when she couldn't win the debate, she changed her argument and insulted me.0 -
And, again, how is this due to the US being backwards? This is directly due to pepole CHOOSING to eat too much and move too little. Period. End of story. It does not mean our food is some kind of poison.Stop doing so much assuming. Those articles do not say anything about Americans being the only obese people and only Americans have heart disease, try reading them. You are taking my point completely out of context and twisting my words. Nowhere did i say that eating a few meals here and there of processed foods is going to give you heart disease or cancer. I shared some resources to show that people DO actually die from their food choices. It happens every day (not from a single meal -_-), just because you don't personally see it with your own eyes doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Nor did I claim the government is force feeding people and keeping them from exercising. Don't twist my comment around to fit your own argument.
So you posted articles that have nothing to do with your original argument. Make up your mind. My head is spinning.
Doesn't take much then does it? I'm having a friendly debate and you're getting snarky...pretty amusing on my part but I'm getting bored with it since you can't come back with anything worth reading other than talking about what people choose to eat. My original argument was this:How does the theory of evolution say we have to eat processed foods out of boxes? O_o I'm not sure how that works.
and further:I completely agree that we have evolved, and some people take the whole "Paleo eating" lifestyle to the extreme for no reason. But some of these processed foods have some scary ingredients in them. Especially in the US, there are foods that are allowed here that are banned in other countries due to the ingredients in them.
How does my sharing those links of information not back up my original argument?
I KNOW that if people choose to eat crap food their health would be iffy. The US is backwards because we eat crap here that you can't eat in other countries because it's an inferior product. Just as one example...the US version of Kraft macaroni and cheese vs the UK version..look it up. I can't possibly go through every single food item that the US allows here but the same counterpart in another country that is allowed to be imported from the US is a healthier version. I'll leave that to you, or you probably won't bother because you'd rather assume and make up your own facts instead of actually looking for information.0 -
^^ Yes! All hail 'Murica !! -_-Doesn't take much then does it? I'm having a friendly debate and you're getting snarky...
So that first thing wasn't you? Alert the MFP police. You've been hacked.0 -
OMG. The US also bans imports from other countries.
That's the point. Every country has its rules. Why is the US backwards and other countries are correct? I don't see Americans dropping dead left and right from our food supply.
"The 3,000 annual deaths and 130,000 hospitalizations due to foodborne illness, though tragic, are miniscule compared with other deaths related to our diet. Every year at least 310,000 Americans go to an early grave and many more are sickened because of largely preventable diet-related conditions such as heart disease, diabetes, obesity, hypertension, strokes, and some cancers. The big problem with our food supply isn’t pathogens, it is processed food. We’re being killed not by E. coli, salmonella, or campylobacter, but by the nutritionally hollow contents of the bags, boxes, and fast-food clamshells that have managed to pass as nourishment in our society." - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/01/our-unsafe-food-supply-is-killing-us.html
This is from 2012, but still relevant - "Two U.S. health and environment organizations sued the federal government on Wednesday for what the groups say is a failure to implement and enforce a new food safety law that could help prevent thousands of deaths caused by food-borne illnesses each year." - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/30/usa-food-lawsuit-idUSL2E8JTH2220120830
That was found with a quick search. You saying people don't die from eating sh!tty foods is naive. You can come back and talk about how people can't afford to eat healthy or with whatever excuse you want, but you can't deny the fact that our country is the fattest in the world and pretending it has nothing to do with what we eat as a society is like sticking your head in the sand. Yes it has a lot to do with portion control and lack of activity as well, but food has a big part in it and the majority of people eat anything that comes in a paper bag handed through a drive through window and smells good.
The 310,000 people dieing of heart disease, diabetes, obesity, hypertension, strokes, and some cancers has a lot more to do with eating too much, not moving enough, and living long enough to develop these problems because we aren't dieing of pathogens, malnutrition, or other diseases.
And the US isn't even the fattest in the world.0 -
And, again, how is this due to the US being backwards? This is directly due to pepole CHOOSING to eat too much and move too little. Period. End of story. It does not mean our food is some kind of poison.
So you posted articles that have nothing to do with your original argument. Make up your mind. My head is spinning.
Doesn't take much then does it? I'm having a friendly debate and you're getting snarky...pretty amusing on my part but I'm getting bored with it since you can't come back with anything worth reading other than talking about what people choose to eat.
Failing to see how her request for clarification could be considered snarky... especially since you followed with an implication questioning her intelligence.0 -
That assumes those are our only choices. That assumes only Americans are obese or have heart disease.
OMG. The US also bans imports from other countries.
That's the point. Every country has its rules. Why is the US backwards and other countries are correct? I don't see Americans dropping dead left and right from our food supply.
"The 3,000 annual deaths and 130,000 hospitalizations due to foodborne illness, though tragic, are miniscule compared with other deaths related to our diet. Every year at least 310,000 Americans go to an early grave and many more are sickened because of largely preventable diet-related conditions such as heart disease, diabetes, obesity, hypertension, strokes, and some cancers. The big problem with our food supply isn’t pathogens, it is processed food. We’re being killed not by E. coli, salmonella, or campylobacter, but by the nutritionally hollow contents of the bags, boxes, and fast-food clamshells that have managed to pass as nourishment in our society." - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/01/our-unsafe-food-supply-is-killing-us.html
This is from 2012, but still relevant - "Two U.S. health and environment organizations sued the federal government on Wednesday for what the groups say is a failure to implement and enforce a new food safety law that could help prevent thousands of deaths caused by food-borne illnesses each year." - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/30/usa-food-lawsuit-idUSL2E8JTH2220120830
That was found with a quick search. You saying people don't die from eating sh!tty foods is naive. You can come back and talk about how people can't afford to eat healthy or with whatever excuse you want, but you can't deny the fact that our country is the fattest in the world and pretending it has nothing to do with what we eat as a society is like sticking your head in the sand. Yes it has a lot to do with portion control and lack of activity as well, but food has a big part in it and the majority of people eat anything that comes in a paper bag handed through a drive through window and smells good.
I live in the US. I eat fruits and vegetables and very rarely packaged, processed foods. Because I make that choice for myself. The government isn't forcing processed, packaged foods down people's throats, nor is it forcing a single person to overeat and not exercise, which are the reasons people are overweight and have heart disease.
What I'm saying is that if I go out today and eat a box of macaroni and cheese in an otherwise healthy diet and exercise lifestyle, I am not going to die from it. It isn't dangerous. It's that people overindulge and then are so lazy that they complain about the 80-step walk from their desks to the water fountain.
You are taking my point completely out of context. Nowhere did i say that eating a few meals here and there of processed foods is going to give you heart disease or cancer. I shared some resources to show that people DO actually die from their food choices. It happens every day (not from a single meal -_-), just because you don't personally see it with your own eyes doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Nor did I claim the government is force feeding people and keeping them from exercising. Don't twist my comment around to fit your own argument.Well who would want freedom to choose their own diets in a free society? We should let the government make ALL our dietary choices. /sarcasm
Eat what you want, nobody is telling you otherwise.
But you are suggesting that because the US government gives its citizens the freedom to make their own dietary choices where other countries do not, that the government is somehow intentionally causing harm, and that the increase in obesity is to be blamed on lack of government regulation and food capitalists, rather than on personal accountability.
I think you guys are confused on this whole argument of freedom and stuff that's pretty bad for you, chemical wise. I guess a lot of drugs should be legal to as i'm sure they could be processed and marketed just as well, and a lot of them are also bad for you, and some not so much.
I like the approach.0 -
^^ Yes! All hail 'Murica !! -_-Doesn't take much then does it? I'm having a friendly debate and you're getting snarky...
So that first thing wasn't you? Alert the MFP police. You've been hacked.
Is that the pot calling the kettle black? I didn't know you held the only patent allowed in forums for sarcasm0 -
I think you guys are confused on this whole argument of freedom and stuff that's pretty bad for you, chemical wise. I guess a lot of drugs should be legal to as i'm sure they could be processed and marketed just as well, and a lot of them are also bad for you, and some not so much.
I like the approach.
There is a big difference between narcotics and food!0
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