I just don't care about the 'obesity epidemic'
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I get your point about people with no particular reason judging others for obesity but let me tell you why people at the coal face of health care are concerned. I work in a smallish publicly funded hospital. Over the last couple of years we have spent thousands of dollars (AU) on new bariatric equipment to cope with our growing obesity problem - beds, wheelchairs, scales, toilets, blood pressure cuffs, operating tables, patient handling equipment - but we still dont have enough to cope. A new policy is being developed (apparantly) where if a ward has two or more patients of a high BMI they will have to close beds because each of those obese patients need more nursing staff to look after them and that means there arent enough nurses to go around. My colleague is now on the waiting list for back surgery because she had to lift up an obese ladies leg in order to insert a urinary catheter. The patient was to obese to get to the toilet, the reason for her immobility was obesity and no other condition.
Replicate this over every hospital in every health care system in every part of the western world and you have a phenomenal problem.
The problem is that people don't make any distinction between immobile morbidly obese persons (who clearly have other issues the lead to their situation), and your average person who is 50-100 pounds overweight. There's a big difference between these conditions, but people act like if you're 50 pounds overweight, you're as bad as the 500 pound person who can't even walk. And even those morbidly obese people shouldn't be treated like lepers, there is a human being there who needs help. Yes, the mechanism whereby their condition develops is "voluntary", but really, is it? :huh:0 -
1. because its crippling the health services and costing billions more in tax for the consumer.
2. people are starving in the poorest parts of the world, whilst the developed world are obese.
3. Its going to shorten the lives of a lot of people, but I guess thats natural selection.Don't agree. I rarely see an obese child anywhere tbh.
obesity in the 60's (before high fructose corn syrup) was at around 2-5% in developed countries.
now its 30% on average in the developed world.
what you see isn't really important. statistically obesity and of course including obesity in children has increased 6 fold.
theres a lot of money to be made through obesity. the food industry is only looking at the bottom line, and no one has any education.
"THATS WHY EVERYONE NEEDS TO TALK ABOUT IT" - Wise Words from Captain Obvious
Your like "why is everyone always talking bout prostate cancer, I don't care about prostate cancer, I care about the person"
if you care about the person.... you don't want them to die from prostate cancer, right?
AWARENESS!
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Obese people cost 40% more a year in health care related expenses than a "normal" weight person. As a rule they do not pay more for health insurance than a "normal" size person, i.e., there is a cost that is spread to people who can push away from the table. Statistically obese people call in "sick" to work more often and file more workers comp claims (not to mention health care workers who are injured taking care of obese patients-happens all the time), so again, money.
It isn't about aesthetics, it's about money.
Old people are a real pain the a** too then.
Except aging isn't preventable.. Unless you kill people off before they get old. Try again.
So should we throw people in jail for being overweight? :huh:
How did you make that leap? I never suggested such a ridiculous thing.
So what's your point then? You seem really miffed that you're "paying more than your share" because obese people are freeloading on government sponsored healthcare or whatever. ::shrug::
I didn't say it's not a problem. But I didn't say they should be put in jail. Get a grip lady.
So, you got nothing, basically. :huh:
I've got plenty. I wasn't going to dignify your bad attitude and rude responses ..While I'm here though I'll point out I live in Canada where we have free (well taxes pay for it) health care and I don't have a problem paying taxes for ANYONE to get health care no matter what the reason for that need may be. Whether it's because they smoke, are obese, enjoy jumping in front of trains or whatever.. it's not about personal greed. But I'm sure there would be extra tax money to spend elsewhere as a whole if less people were obese, smoked, etc. My concern is more about the welfare of the people though.. there are so many diseases and yes, early deaths, associated with obesity, and I'm sure many families are affected emotionally by the toll it takes (not to mention those who are obese themselves). If it's possible to reduce the problem, why not? Wouldn't it be a GOOD thing if less people died too early?? There should be more education and emphasis on activity, especially with children so that they learn good lifelong habits early on.
If it's possible to reduce the problem, then yes, let's do whatever that is. Unless that solution is "let's make all the fat people feel bad for being health care freeloaders" because in addition to being a-hole-ish, I'm thinking it's not bound to be very effective. Early education? Thumbs up! Adult education? Thumbs up! Laugh at point at the fattie? No. And all too often the "concern" I see for the obesity epidemic seems to be thinly veiled laughing and pointing at the fattie. I don't like it.0 -
Your like "why is everyone always talking bout prostate cancer, I don't care about prostate cancer, I care about the person"
if you care about the person.... you don't want them to die from prostate cancer, right?
That's what I was trying to say...but then again everyone is just a prostate to me.0 -
OH But I beg to differ from you ! I also differ with facts not opinions the primary reason people get sick when they get old is due to lack of a healthy life style either currently or when they were younger ! We all have choices and I choose to be healthy not fat and not drunk and not smoking and not sitting around watching TV ! Yes I would say possible as few as 15% of older people are actually sick due to issues they have no control over ! So stop making non factual statements and educate yourself as to the new medicine called anti aging ! It is real and it is out there and is is more affordable that treating unhealthy older people ! I am 54 going on 38 and I will defy most 35 year old men to keep up with me in the gym or any other aspect of life because I choose to be healthy ! even with blood clots a hip implant and pins in bones and shot when in the Marines I now live a healthy life style and turn back the hands of time every day my feet hot the floor !
So stop gripping and get off your butt and be active and eat health and drink plain old water one of the best medicians you can ingest
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^^^THIS^^^
P.s. Thank you for your service :flowerforyou: ...0 -
Quote fail. :laugh:
And it was just as Faulknerian the second time around.
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Your like "why is everyone always talking bout prostate cancer, I don't care about prostate cancer, I care about the person"
if you care about the person.... you don't want them to die from prostate cancer, right?
AWARENESS!
I don't blame the person with prostate cancer for having cancer. I don't judge the person because he has cancer and automatically assume he got the cancer because he didn't take care of himself or because he wants to die early. I also don't complain endlessly about my tax dollars perhaps going towards his chemotherapy.
Plus I don't constantly berate the man for allowing himself to get cancer when they're so many preventive measures to be taken.0 -
No I don't care about other peoples diet or weight if they are happy with themselves, although I don't believe they really are. I do care about MY diet and weight because I feel absoloutely AMAZING and love my life now!!!!
And in the words of "forrest gump" ......that's all I have to say about that.............0 -
I get your point about people with no particular reason judging others for obesity but let me tell you why people at the coal face of health care are concerned. I work in a smallish publicly funded hospital. Over the last couple of years we have spent thousands of dollars (AU) on new bariatric equipment to cope with our growing obesity problem - beds, wheelchairs, scales, toilets, blood pressure cuffs, operating tables, patient handling equipment - but we still dont have enough to cope. A new policy is being developed (apparantly) where if a ward has two or more patients of a high BMI they will have to close beds because each of those obese patients need more nursing staff to look after them and that means there arent enough nurses to go around. My colleague is now on the waiting list for back surgery because she had to lift up an obese ladies leg in order to insert a urinary catheter. The patient was to obese to get to the toilet, the reason for her immobility was obesity and no other condition.
Replicate this over every hospital in every health care system in every part of the western world and you have a phenomenal problem.
The problem is that people don't make any distinction between immobile morbidly obese persons (who clearly have other issues the lead to their situation), and your average person who is 50-100 pounds overweight. There's a big difference between these conditions, but people act like if you're 50 pounds overweight, you're as bad as the 500 pound person who can't even walk. And even those morbidly obese people shouldn't be treated like lepers, there is a human being there who needs help. Yes, the mechanism whereby their condition develops is "voluntary", but really, is it? :huh:
When you are looking at health care costs there is no difference between someone 100 pounds overweight or 300 pounds overweight. They are still to heavy for standard equipment. For example young women go into hospital to have a baby, none of them have any underlying health issues. 1 is healthy weight, 1 is 100 lbs overweight and the other is 300 pounds overweight. Care for the healthy weight woman will cost significantly less than for the other two as standard equipment can be used.
Also where did I indicate that the morbidly obese patients would be treated like lepers. In MY experience they are treated with the same dignity and respect as anyone else, and there is often a lot of sympathy and understanding of the reasons they got in that position in the first place.0 -
I get your point about people with no particular reason judging others for obesity but let me tell you why people at the coal face of health care are concerned. I work in a smallish publicly funded hospital. Over the last couple of years we have spent thousands of dollars (AU) on new bariatric equipment to cope with our growing obesity problem - beds, wheelchairs, scales, toilets, blood pressure cuffs, operating tables, patient handling equipment - but we still dont have enough to cope. A new policy is being developed (apparantly) where if a ward has two or more patients of a high BMI they will have to close beds because each of those obese patients need more nursing staff to look after them and that means there arent enough nurses to go around. My colleague is now on the waiting list for back surgery because she had to lift up an obese ladies leg in order to insert a urinary catheter. The patient was to obese to get to the toilet, the reason for her immobility was obesity and no other condition.
Replicate this over every hospital in every health care system in every part of the western world and you have a phenomenal problem.
The problem is that people don't make any distinction between immobile morbidly obese persons (who clearly have other issues the lead to their situation), and your average person who is 50-100 pounds overweight. There's a big difference between these conditions, but people act like if you're 50 pounds overweight, you're as bad as the 500 pound person who can't even walk. And even those morbidly obese people shouldn't be treated like lepers, there is a human being there who needs help. Yes, the mechanism whereby their condition develops is "voluntary", but really, is it? :huh:
When you are looking at health care costs there is no difference between someone 100 pounds overweight or 300 pounds overweight. They are still to heavy for standard equipment. For example young women go into hospital to have a baby, none of them have any underlying health issues. 1 is healthy weight, 1 is 100 lbs overweight and the other is 300 pounds overweight. Care for the healthy weight woman will cost significantly less than for the other two as standard equipment can be used.
Also where did I indicate that the morbidly obese patients would be treated like lepers. In MY experience they are treated with the same dignity and respect as anyone else, and there is often a lot of sympathy and understanding of the reasons they got in that position in the first place.
I was talking about people in general, not the health care professionals you work with. I don't know anything about that specific group of people, obviously. :huh:0 -
I get your point about people with no particular reason judging others for obesity but let me tell you why people at the coal face of health care are concerned. I work in a smallish publicly funded hospital. Over the last couple of years we have spent thousands of dollars (AU) on new bariatric equipment to cope with our growing obesity problem - beds, wheelchairs, scales, toilets, blood pressure cuffs, operating tables, patient handling equipment - but we still dont have enough to cope. A new policy is being developed (apparantly) where if a ward has two or more patients of a high BMI they will have to close beds because each of those obese patients need more nursing staff to look after them and that means there arent enough nurses to go around. My colleague is now on the waiting list for back surgery because she had to lift up an obese ladies leg in order to insert a urinary catheter. The patient was to obese to get to the toilet, the reason for her immobility was obesity and no other condition.
Replicate this over every hospital in every health care system in every part of the western world and you have a phenomenal problem.
The problem is that people don't make any distinction between immobile morbidly obese persons (who clearly have other issues the lead to their situation), and your average person who is 50-100 pounds overweight. There's a big difference between these conditions, but people act like if you're 50 pounds overweight, you're as bad as the 500 pound person who can't even walk. And even those morbidly obese people shouldn't be treated like lepers, there is a human being there who needs help. Yes, the mechanism whereby their condition develops is "voluntary", but really, is it? :huh:
When you are looking at health care costs there is no difference between someone 100 pounds overweight or 300 pounds overweight. They are still to heavy for standard equipment. For example young women go into hospital to have a baby, none of them have any underlying health issues. 1 is healthy weight, 1 is 100 lbs overweight and the other is 300 pounds overweight. Care for the healthy weight woman will cost significantly less than for the other two as standard equipment can be used.
Also where did I indicate that the morbidly obese patients would be treated like lepers. In MY experience they are treated with the same dignity and respect as anyone else, and there is often a lot of sympathy and understanding of the reasons they got in that position in the first place.
I was talking about people in general, not the health care professionals you work with. I don't know anything about that specific group of people, obviously. :huh:
Maybe you were but the OP was complaining about reading about the obesity epidemic and why should anyone care what size anyone else is. I was explaining a reason as to why people should care about it. The first line I wrote said I got that the general population shouldnt be judgemental.0 -
Your like "why is everyone always talking bout prostate cancer, I don't care about prostate cancer, I care about the person"
if you care about the person.... you don't want them to die from prostate cancer, right?
AWARENESS!
I don't blame the person with prostate cancer for having cancer. I don't judge the person because he has cancer and automatically assume he got the cancer because he didn't take care of himself or because he wants to die early. I also don't complain endlessly about my tax dollars perhaps going towards his chemotherapy.
Plus I don't constantly berate the man for allowing himself to get cancer when they're so many preventive measures to be taken.
what is it you do exactly? I'm not sure you know quite what you are talking about.0 -
Obese people cost 40% more a year in health care related expenses than a "normal" weight person. As a rule they do not pay more for health insurance than a "normal" size person, i.e., there is a cost that is spread to people who can push away from the table. Statistically obese people call in "sick" to work more often and file more workers comp claims (not to mention health care workers who are injured taking care of obese patients-happens all the time), so again, money.
It isn't about aesthetics, it's about money.
I am a nurse an have known several nurses who have been injured caring for overweight patients. Just a matter of time when the nurse is able to sue the patient.0 -
Your like "why is everyone always talking bout prostate cancer, I don't care about prostate cancer, I care about the person"
if you care about the person.... you don't want them to die from prostate cancer, right?
AWARENESS!
I don't blame the person with prostate cancer for having cancer. I don't judge the person because he has cancer and automatically assume he got the cancer because he didn't take care of himself or because he wants to die early. I also don't complain endlessly about my tax dollars perhaps going towards his chemotherapy.
Plus I don't constantly berate the man for allowing himself to get cancer when they're so many preventive measures to be taken.
You're right. It's easy to prevent cancer.0 -
Equating aging with obesity is just brilliant. The financial costs due to absenteeism and presenteeism isn't an aging issue - it's one brought by the negative health outcomes which stem from those being overly fat.0
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Drivers who avoid accidents get better car insurance rates.
Life insurance is absolutely cheaper for healthier people than it is for unhealthy people.
Up to a certain age - we all eventually start falling apart - I have no problem with health insurance premiums tied to individual health metrics.
That makes no sense your profile indicates you have bad knees due to you are heavy and you are negative to almost every post made the requires life style change ! Humans do not come with an out if date stamp ! Anti aging median is real and it works I promise you are 48 and un healthy by your own profile and I am 54 and healthier thn you so explain that one Mr Knoght ?0 -
I get your point about people with no particular reason judging others for obesity but let me tell you why people at the coal face of health care are concerned. I work in a smallish publicly funded hospital. Over the last couple of years we have spent thousands of dollars (AU) on new bariatric equipment to cope with our growing obesity problem - beds, wheelchairs, scales, toilets, blood pressure cuffs, operating tables, patient handling equipment - but we still dont have enough to cope. A new policy is being developed (apparantly) where if a ward has two or more patients of a high BMI they will have to close beds because each of those obese patients need more nursing staff to look after them and that means there arent enough nurses to go around. My colleague is now on the waiting list for back surgery because she had to lift up an obese ladies leg in order to insert a urinary catheter. The patient was to obese to get to the toilet, the reason for her immobility was obesity and no other condition.
Replicate this over every hospital in every health care system in every part of the western world and you have a phenomenal problem.
The problem is that people don't make any distinction between immobile morbidly obese persons (who clearly have other issues the lead to their situation), and your average person who is 50-100 pounds overweight. There's a big difference between these conditions, but people act like if you're 50 pounds overweight, you're as bad as the 500 pound person who can't even walk. And even those morbidly obese people shouldn't be treated like lepers, there is a human being there who needs help. Yes, the mechanism whereby their condition develops is "voluntary", but really, is it? :huh:
When you are looking at health care costs there is no difference between someone 100 pounds overweight or 300 pounds overweight. They are still to heavy for standard equipment. For example young women go into hospital to have a baby, none of them have any underlying health issues. 1 is healthy weight, 1 is 100 lbs overweight and the other is 300 pounds overweight. Care for the healthy weight woman will cost significantly less than for the other two as standard equipment can be used.
Also where did I indicate that the morbidly obese patients would be treated like lepers. In MY experience they are treated with the same dignity and respect as anyone else, and there is often a lot of sympathy and understanding of the reasons they got in that position in the first place.
I was talking about people in general, not the health care professionals you work with. I don't know anything about that specific group of people, obviously. :huh:
Maybe you were but the OP was complaining about reading about the obesity epidemic and why should anyone care what size anyone else is. I was explaining a reason as to why people should care about it. The first line I wrote said I got that the general population shouldnt be judgemental.
I am a home care nurse and can pick and choose who I care for. Like I said in an above post, I've known too many of us who have been injured caring for overweight patients. I will not accept an overweight patient. This is my livelihood and I can't risk it.0 -
Tax dollars. :grumble:
Yes, tax dollars are a reason to care (as in Medicare and other programs). Our taxes pay for heart attacks, diabetes, coronary bypass surgeries, and cancer treatment. Researchers believe being overweight is one of the major risk factors for many cancers.
In general, I don't care what my friends and neighbors eat. I do care about the mistreatment of animals in factory farms, though. That's all part of the deliberate blindness people choose to have. I live two blocks from a McDonald's and see huge people walking in there all the time, shoving fat food in their face, not asking where it came from, what's in it, or how it will affect their health.
Many of my neighbors are enormous. People eat for entertainment, not nutrition. People don't exercise -- they ride on mowers and blow leaves instead of raking them. They're also passive, sit around and watch TV all the time. Being huge is the new normal in America. Since I've been losing weight, I've been asked if I'm seriously ill (I'm 4 pounds into medically normal instead of overweight for my height). So yes, there is an obesity epidemic and it does matter in many ways.0 -
QFT^1. because its crippling the health services and costing billions more in tax for the consumer.
2. people are starving in the poorest parts of the world, whilst the developed world are obese.
3. Its going to shorten the lives of a lot of people, but I guess thats natural selection.Don't agree. I rarely see an obese child anywhere tbh.
obesity in the 60's (before high fructose corn syrup) was at around 2-5% in developed countries.
now its 30% on average in the developed world.
what you see isn't really important. statistically obesity and of course including obesity in children has increased 6 fold.
theres a lot of money to be made through obesity. the food industry is only looking at the bottom line, and no one has any education.
"THATS WHY EVERYONE NEEDS TO TALK ABOUT IT" - Wise Words from Captain Obvious
Your like "why is everyone always talking bout prostate cancer, I don't care about prostate cancer, I care about the person"
if you care about the person.... you don't want them to die from prostate cancer, right?
AWARENESS!
Besides costs is it a bad thing to be concerned about the well being of others...I think not.
Ultimately people are responsible for themselves but education/prevention is a much better method than treatment.
ETA: I am not the sort of individual that would interfere or offer unsolicited advice to people.0 -
I think you're right that people tend to be judgemental about obesity in a way that they are not judgemental about cancer, for instance. It is seen more as a personal failure than other health problems, so the outcry about the "obesity epidemic" can seem more like people sticking their nose into something that is not their business. But if you look at it from a more detached viewpoint, it makes sense that there would be concern about it just like there would be a concern if 1 in 3 Americans had cancer, heart disease, or an itchy rash. I hope in time as everyone becomes more educated about it, the judgmental aspect of it will be lessened.
Agreed, but you can't walk around with cancer or heart disease for long without the ill effects on your health becoming apparent. I'm not saying morbid obesity is harmless, but even people who are 50 pounds overweight can be perfectly healthy according to objective health measures, and giving someone the stinkeye when you can't tell whether they're on the way up or on the way down in weight is pretty lame.
As much as people claim it's about concern for health and tax dollars, I firmly believe that a lot of it derives from wanting somebody to feel superior to because of aesthetics and class snobbery. Perhaps not for those on a fitness website for the most part, but for a lot of people in the general population.0 -
I kind of have an issue with hearing about the 'obesity epidepmic' is that BMI is used to determined who is obese and who isn't. Have a look at mybodygallery.com
I am 5ft2.5 for someone my height 75kg(165lbs) is obese.
You can enter those stats for comparison. There are clearly people in that size who look to have a lot of fat around their middles and look like they probably don't do exercise. But there are (quite a few) who are obviously fit and active and probably quite healthy.
So there should be a better measure that classifies people who are overweight to a point of compromising their health.
There has also been a study recently showing that people who are overweight have a lower mortality rate than those with a healthy BMI and those who are underweight. (Mostly due to the preponderence of people who are overweight but fit). There are also studies showing that overweight people deal with stress better (and most of those who pay tax dollars would be put under a reasonable amount of stress in their workplaces.
I am not sure about the algorithms used, but are underweight individuals penalised as much by insurance companies as those who are obese?0 -
I think that an individual person's body is none of my business, but the fact that there has been an increase in obesity in recent times, especially in the US, is a public health issue.0
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I am a highly overweight person. I have been so since a very young age. My parents were both reasonably fit people when I was growing up. I was born with funky feet and bad balance so I avoided alot of "exercise" related activity with fear of falling and getting hurt. I can't run well, roller skate, or ride a bike. These are the primary reasons I was an obese child.
Secondly, my family, both sides, has several overweight and obese individuals, but because of how we are raised, to take care of ourselves, to look out for eachother, to only go to drs when the need is severe, I promise you we cost far less in medical expenses than a typical "thin" individual. We, though, are primarily healthy people. There is no diabetes, major heart problems , high blood pressure,or other normal issues that obese people typically report.
So, though obesity definitely contributes to these issues, your genes play just as much a role.
People who report more claims should pay more for insurance, not just the more obese of us.
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Firstly OP - I love your style, and your honesty. I like the way you think it's refreshing to see. You're not just an echo.
I think health professionals are concerned about the 'obesity epidemic' simply because obesity is really, really bad for your health and contributes to other illnesses and problems. Isn't it a good thing - that society 'cares'?
I blame capitalism. Too many sales pitches going on: the food industry; the exercise industry; the diet industry; cosmetic surgery industry... too little regulation... uneven distribution of wealth. Worldwide - malnourished people and morbidly obese people on the same planet - both sets suffering - both in poor health.
It's like 'Pay us you need to eat this stuff - it's cool,' then 'Pay us you need to get this stuff sucked back out of you so you're cool'.
And I do not understand the 'You're costing us money with healthcare!' point of view.
1. How can you be so selfish - your money is more important than someone's health? If you're ansering 'yes' then your moral compass needs a new magnet.
2. Any morbidly obese person is one of the best 'consumers' you'll ever meet - aren't you going to thank them for keeping all those people employed in food factories, food retailers, transport companies, farms etc etc? You're not willing to care for them when they're ill? They have made a big contribution to the economy, after all.0 -
Agreed, but you can't walk around with cancer or heart disease for long without the ill effects on your health becoming apparent. I'm not saying morbid obesity is harmless, but even people who are 50 pounds overweight can be perfectly healthy according to objective health measures, and giving someone the stinkeye when you can't tell whether they're on the way up or on the way down in weight is pretty lame.
As much as people claim it's about concern for health and tax dollars, I firmly believe that a lot of it derives from wanting somebody to feel superior to because of aesthetics and class snobbery. Perhaps not for those on a fitness website for the most part, but for a lot of people in the general population.
thing is that obesity within a person tends to be on an upwards trend i.e today they are 50lbs over weight, next year they are 55lbs, they year after maybe 60lbs. In 10 years that is another 50lbs, and so on. Add to this the effects of aging and your spry 50lbs overweight person can turn into a sickly 100lbs overweight person within 10 years.
On that note, every time obesity is mentioned, someone cries out 'ohh those poor children ...' The children who are overweight are less off a problem then the 80% of over 50 years olds that are overweight or worse, because that group did not grow up on McDonalds, they walked to school, they played sports and yet they still got large and they are getting to the prime age for diabetes and heart disease and cancer and various other issues. Sure, the kids represent a problem for tomorrow, but the other problem is already here and it need to be acknowledged and somehow dealt with.0 -
they dont hurt me personally, but they hurt the economy in the long run - by having more health issues which are funded by the UK tax payer. i feel the same about smokers.0
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My older brother is overweight. everyone love him because he is nice but i know some ppl use him as example for their kids or themself not to gain weight, i really hate it when i heard it from them. I care about him so i am trying to help him lose weight. And of course, i care. Fat kids are targets to be bullied in school. Obese ppl die younger than ppl at healthy weight and also they have so much problem with their health. It is not about appearance. It is a health problem. OBESITY SHOULD BE CARED.0
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In fact, I'm sick of reading/hearing about it everywhere. I don't care if you weigh 100 pounds or 500 pounds. I don't care what you eat. I don't care how much you eat. I don't care how often you eat.
Seriously people, why the hell does it even matter? It's like everyone's forgotten that underneath all that subcutaneous fat is an ACTUAL person -- someone who has goals and ambitions, feelings and emotions, and families and friends JUST LIKE YOU. We aren't just sacks of ooey gooey yellow fat to pitied for or disgusted by.
How does your curvy/chubby/fat/obese neighbor affect you?
I hear a emotionally defeated person who has given up on being healthy ! And if you are unhealthy it cost me money in Ins premiums due to your heart surgery and your dibeties and vascualr issues and you will see fat people be penolized for unhealthy life styles under Obama Care I hate Obama care my goal is to be healthy at 54 and use WEB MD ( By the way most of your Dr. prescribe your meds and tell you what is wrong right from this program on the same Internet you have access to Take a few deep breaths and no like it or not fat ppl are not treated the same and they are discrminated against . . . .SOOOOO Have it your way and pay
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Well, paradoxically, I think the obesity epidemic exists because people don't care about it. Perhaps if everyone in the world who was overweight was as motivated as the MFP community we wouldn't have a problem.0
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Tax dollars?
Frankly, I'm more concerned about the the drug addicts who go to the emergency room with "back pain" and get prescription medication, which they abuse or sell on the street.0
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