can you stll lose belly fat and have carbs?
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No my thyroid function will NOT improve if I cut gluten from my diet. I have an auto immune disease that has completely destroyed it - my thyroid is now smaller than a pea and cutting gluten will not make it grow back to it's normal size and suddenly start working.
RA is also an auto immune disease. Pregnancy interfered with my immune system, not gluten or anything else in my diet.
Please be careful about commenting on other people's health issues as someone might take your advice, stop their medication and end up with some serious problems as a result.
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If you want to reduce carbs and drop water weight quickly, then just eat breads once or twice a week. Don't eat breads the day before a weigh in
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Carbs do not cause fat. Calorie surpluses cause fat. Eat a calorie deficit and you will lose fat. Resistance traing and you will retain muscle.
There is the perfect answer. So simple and so true.
@Johnny - this is totally OT but I think your cat rocks!
:laugh: Everyone likes my cat more than they like me!0 -
It seems that food science, like all other science has been compromised by political considerations these days. I once heard a chemist insist that you could get just about any conclusion you wanted in a scientific report (for the right amount of money in a research grant, of course). The whole GMO debacle in Washington is a case in point. Frankenscience will eventually extinguish the vast majority of human life on the planet--if we let it.
Science is BS! Unless it says what I want it to say, in which case I will use it to support my arguments. Scientific results that do not confirm my preconceived notions, biases, and fears will be summarily rejected as "Frankenscience" that is intentionally misleading us for money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Are you saying then that "science" does not frequently disagree with itself or that money or "professional pride" is not a motivator for some scientists?
I'm saying that you pick and choose which scientific research to believe and trust based solely on how much it conforms to what you want to believe.0 -
I have been following the wrong advice for 50 days on this site. A protein rich diet was making my liver work overtime. Today, I cut back on protein, and ate loads of vegetables to meet my daily allowance of 230 gram. I ate a whole avocado, and have not felt this energetic since I started on MFP. Carbs are energy, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
I'm confused & I think you are a little too. Avocados are high in fat, not carbs, still, lots of energy to he had whether from carbs or fat. If you are T2D (like I am) eating too much protein can jack up your BG's cause your liver will produce glucose/glycogen from the excess (as in what you don't need for daily function). I'm guessing this is what you meant by your liver working overtime?
Carbs are DEFINITELY energy, but so are other macros and depending on your goals & health situation, not all advice will suit you personally.
I can't do starchy carbs, more specifically, starches or sugars.
Meat, fat & veggies are how I keep my BG's in line & still get enough calories to be able to get through my day without dragging. I have an active job (dog walker) and do quite well.
Good luck & I'm glad you found something that works for you. That's more than 1/2 the battle won right there :drinker:0 -
It seems that food science, like all other science has been compromised by political considerations these days. I once heard a chemist insist that you could get just about any conclusion you wanted in a scientific report (for the right amount of money in a research grant, of course). The whole GMO debacle in Washington is a case in point. Frankenscience will eventually extinguish the vast majority of human life on the planet--if we let it.
Science is BS! Unless it says what I want it to say, in which case I will use it to support my arguments. Scientific results that do not confirm my preconceived notions, biases, and fears will be summarily rejected as "Frankenscience" that is intentionally misleading us for money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Are you saying then that "science" does not frequently disagree with itself or that money or "professional pride" is not a motivator for some scientists?
I'm saying that you pick and choose which scientific research to believe and trust based solely on how much it conforms to what you want to believe.
Funny--I was just going to say the same of you. While I don't buy the entire low carb program, I have experimented with my own body and have discovered that cutting out sugar, wheat, and starch in its various forms has enabled me to spend a lot more of my calorie allotment on more nourishing fare, and lose body fat healthfully. Food fractions (which is what sugar and starch represent, are stripped of nutrients that are important to my health and well-being. Why is this so hard for you to understand or accept?0 -
lol, I limit my carbs and still have belly fat...
I use the Insulin Resistance diet where I eat high protein and low carbs. Really it taught me how to properly portion control.0 -
This is funny.0
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Carbs do not cause fat. Calorie surpluses cause fat. Eat a calorie deficit and you will lose fat. Resistance traing and you will retain muscle.
There is the perfect answer. So simple and so true.
@Johnny - this is totally OT but I think your cat rocks!
:laugh: Everyone likes my cat more than they like me!
Sorry Dude but that's a hot cat. Maybe if you ate less carbs . . . . but ONLY before 2:00 in the afternoon. Oh wait - wrong book, my bad ;-)
To the original poster I'm sorry because I'm poking fun but seriously, look at the amazing success here and they eat carbs. Look at the people who don't eat carbs and can you honestly tell a difference? Eat less than you burn, take vitamins, and exercise to tone up. It's so easier said than done. I admit to testing the waters in the no carb thing and I did lose weight but felt horrible. I've finally come around to accepting I have to make "better bad choices" and exercise, which is working just as well but I feel a whole lot better. Please try and have some balance, stay flexible, and go with what works for you.0 -
The only carb associated with belly fat is alcohol. The liver prefers to store the excess calories from it in your abdominal fat. I couldn't find the study, but I found this quote. "In general, alcohol intake is associated with bigger waists, because when you drink alcohol, the liver burns alcohol instead of fat," says Michael Jensen, MD, an endocrine expert and obesity researcher with the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. ( http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-beer-and-your-belly )
There is no way to burn fat in one area, like your belly. The amount of carbs you eat doesn't determine fat. Calorie surplus is what causes fat. You can eat 0 carbs and still gain fat if you eat more calories than you burn.
Some people find reducing carbs, or eating carbs with a lower Glycemic Index, helps them control how many calories they eat. If that works for you, great; use it as a tool and realize that's all it is. Carbs are not good or bad, they're just a macro that gives you energy. I find it easier to control my calories when I eat less higher GI foods. I still eat them, I just plan for how I will deal with the blood sugar crash a few hours later so I can stay within my calorie limit for the day/week.0 -
Serious question- Do you have links to studies that have debunked this? I haven't read the book, but have heard of bit about it and it makes sense for some people. Would like to read some scientific studies that have proven it to be untrue, if that is the case. And did it debunk everything that was claimed, or just certain parts?Wheat belly has been dubunked and is ridiculous. He clearly misquoted and falsified the information presented. His referenced studies don't support his claims.
You're fine.
http://noglutennoproblem.blogspot.no/2012/03/wheat-belly-busted.html
http://www.weightymatters.ca/2013/02/diet-book-review-wheat-belly.html
Sorry, but I read both those articles and didn't find any scientific studies. They are simply blog postings of opinions of the book.
Blogspot isn't a scientific source, and neither are book reviews.
Will continue reading thru the posts to see if anyone else has any scientific studies to share.0 -
Serious question- Do you have links to studies that have debunked this? I haven't read the book, but have heard of bit about it and it makes sense for some people. Would like to read some scientific studies that have proven it to be untrue, if that is the case. And did it debunk everything that was claimed, or just certain parts?Wheat belly has been dubunked and is ridiculous. He clearly misquoted and falsified the information presented. His referenced studies don't support his claims.
You're fine.
Just think about it for a minute. This whole low carb thing started just recently. There have been, and are, a lot of fit low bodyfat people who eat tons of carbs. Most people who are fit and low bodyfat eat lots of carbs. Pro athletes all eat tons of carbs; they couldn't perform if they didn't.
Actually, low carb diets have been around since the 1800s. William Banting was around way before Atkins was.
OP- I eat over 200 carbs a day on average and have a flat stomach. I ate high amounts of carbs while losing weight and I eat high amounts of carbs now in maintenance.0 -
Serious question- Do you have links to studies that have debunked this? I haven't read the book, but have heard of bit about it and it makes sense for some people. Would like to read some scientific studies that have proven it to be untrue, if that is the case. And did it debunk everything that was claimed, or just certain parts?Wheat belly has been dubunked and is ridiculous. He clearly misquoted and falsified the information presented. His referenced studies don't support his claims.
You're fine.
Just think about it for a minute. This whole low carb thing started just recently. There have been, and are, a lot of fit low bodyfat people who eat tons of carbs. Most people who are fit and low bodyfat eat lots of carbs. Pro athletes all eat tons of carbs; they couldn't perform if they didn't.
Actually, low carb diets have been around since the 1800s. William Banting was around way before Atkins was.
OP- I eat over 200 carbs a day on average and have a flat stomach. I ate high amounts of carbs while losing weight and I eat high amounts of carbs now in maintenance.
wow! thanks so much!0 -
According to MFP this morning.....i have 317carbs to eat today. .... and im going to enjoy every single one!!!!0
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Serious question- Do you have links to studies that have debunked this? I haven't read the book, but have heard of bit about it and it makes sense for some people. Would like to read some scientific studies that have proven it to be untrue, if that is the case. And did it debunk everything that was claimed, or just certain parts?Wheat belly has been dubunked and is ridiculous. He clearly misquoted and falsified the information presented. His referenced studies don't support his claims.
You're fine.
http://noglutennoproblem.blogspot.no/2012/03/wheat-belly-busted.html
http://www.weightymatters.ca/2013/02/diet-book-review-wheat-belly.html
Sorry, but I read both those articles and didn't find any scientific studies. They are simply blog postings of opinions of the book.
Blogspot isn't a scientific source, and neither are book reviews.
Will continue reading thru the posts to see if anyone else has any scientific studies to share.
Read the studies referenced in Wheat Belly itself. You'll see they do not, at all, support his opinion. In fact he clearly misquotes them and draws conclusions from them that aren't even mention or are directly opposite of the studies themselves.He supposedly backs up this claim in the very next sentence by continuing, "A Mayo Clinic/University of Iowa study of 215 obese celiac patients showed 27.5 pounds of weight loss in the first six months of a wheat-free diet." Sounds pretty impressive and compelling ... until you realize he's wrong.
First of all, the study didn't examine 215 obese patients. Body Mass Index for study participants ranged from underweight to normal to overweight to obese. Secondly, only 25 of those 215 patients lost weight, and the weight loss was not restricted to the obese subset of participants. (Further, 91 of the 215 patients gained weight, but I'll return to the issue of weight gain among obese celiacs in a moment.)
Read the full study here:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/4/669.full
Here Davis invokes a study reported in the American Journal of Gastroenterology. He claims that of newly diagnosed celiac disease patients, 39 percent start overweight and 13 percent start obese. Next Davis writes that "by this estimate, more than half the people now diagnosed with celiac disease are therefore overweight or obese."
Not quite. Actually, the study noted that overweight and obese patients together accounted for 39 percent of diagnoses. The 13 percent obese patients were a subset of the overweight group. By Davis' questionable math, underweight, normal weight, overweight, and obese celiac disease patients would account for 114% of diagnoses, which is impossible.
The same study from which he errantly claimed more than half of newly diagnosed celiacs are overweight? Here is what researchers actually found, and I quote directly: "Of patients compliant with a gluten-free diet, 81 percent had gained weight after 2 years, including 82% of initially overweight patients"
Here's the full study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17032202Davis makes the claim that gluten exorphins are addictive like morphine (another opiate), and that those addictive properties cause you to eat more calories and gain weight. As the theory goes, block the gluten exorphins with naloxone, and you block the addictive properties of wheat-based foods. To back up his boast, he then cites a study, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, in which binge eaters were left in a room filled with a variety of foods for one hour. Davis writes "participants consumed 28 percent less wheat crackers, bread sticks, and pretzels with the administration of naloxone." And there you have it! See? Naloxone blocked the evil action of gluten exorphins, and those binge eaters ate fewer calories as a result! Except that's not what happened.
Here's the truth: While naloxone appeared to have an impact on the consumption of high fat and high sugar foods, it had no effect that correlated with gluten. In fact, while Davis claims that participants consumed 28 percent fewer wheat crackers, bread sticks, and pretzels, they actually consumed 40 percent more gluten-containing bread sticks.
Full study here:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/61/6/1206.full.pdf
Happy?
Even his referenced studies don't even support his claims. He merely relied upon the fact most people see "Written by M.D." and it has sources cited, they never review them for themselves.0 -
The only carb associated with belly fat is alcohol. The liver prefers to store the excess calories from it in your abdominal fat. I couldn't find the study, but I found this quote. "In general, alcohol intake is associated with bigger waists, because when you drink alcohol, the liver burns alcohol instead of fat," says Michael Jensen, MD, an endocrine expert and obesity researcher with the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. ( http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-beer-and-your-belly )
There is no way to burn fat in one area, like your belly. The amount of carbs you eat doesn't determine fat. Calorie surplus is what causes fat. You can eat 0 carbs and still gain fat if you eat more calories than you burn.
Some people find reducing carbs, or eating carbs with a lower Glycemic Index, helps them control how many calories they eat. If that works for you, great; use it as a tool and realize that's all it is. Carbs are not good or bad, they're just a macro that gives you energy. I find it easier to control my calories when I eat less higher GI foods. I still eat them, I just plan for how I will deal with the blood sugar crash a few hours later so I can stay within my calorie limit for the day/week.
You are very wrong. there is no storage for alcohol calories.0 -
Even his referenced studies don't even support his claims. He merely relied upon the fact most people see "Written by M.D." and it has sources cited, they never review them for themselves.
Kind of like the china study lol0 -
The only carb associated with belly fat is alcohol. The liver prefers to store the excess calories from it in your abdominal fat. I couldn't find the study, but I found this quote. "In general, alcohol intake is associated with bigger waists, because when you drink alcohol, the liver burns alcohol instead of fat," says Michael Jensen, MD, an endocrine expert and obesity researcher with the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. ( http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-beer-and-your-belly )
There is no way to burn fat in one area, like your belly. The amount of carbs you eat doesn't determine fat. Calorie surplus is what causes fat. You can eat 0 carbs and still gain fat if you eat more calories than you burn.
Some people find reducing carbs, or eating carbs with a lower Glycemic Index, helps them control how many calories they eat. If that works for you, great; use it as a tool and realize that's all it is. Carbs are not good or bad, they're just a macro that gives you energy. I find it easier to control my calories when I eat less higher GI foods. I still eat them, I just plan for how I will deal with the blood sugar crash a few hours later so I can stay within my calorie limit for the day/week.
Yes--there are many people who find that they can control their blood sugar much better if they don't have a high percentage of their calories in carbohydrates.0 -
The only carb associated with belly fat is alcohol. The liver prefers to store the excess calories from it in your abdominal fat. I couldn't find the study, but I found this quote. "In general, alcohol intake is associated with bigger waists, because when you drink alcohol, the liver burns alcohol instead of fat," says Michael Jensen, MD, an endocrine expert and obesity researcher with the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. ( http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-beer-and-your-belly )
There is no way to burn fat in one area, like your belly. The amount of carbs you eat doesn't determine fat. Calorie surplus is what causes fat. You can eat 0 carbs and still gain fat if you eat more calories than you burn.
Some people find reducing carbs, or eating carbs with a lower Glycemic Index, helps them control how many calories they eat. If that works for you, great; use it as a tool and realize that's all it is. Carbs are not good or bad, they're just a macro that gives you energy. I find it easier to control my calories when I eat less higher GI foods. I still eat them, I just plan for how I will deal with the blood sugar crash a few hours later so I can stay within my calorie limit for the day/week.
You are very wrong. there is no storage for alcohol calories.
Good to know the 100 or so calorie in a shot of vodka don't need to be tracked because they're not absorbed. Oh wait, they are. Alcohol is a type of sugar broken down and processed by the liver. Ethanol (alcohol) is oxidized to acetaldehyde by liver enzymes and then it enters the citric acid cycle to be metabolized. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreb_cycle0 -
The only carb associated with belly fat is alcohol. The liver prefers to store the excess calories from it in your abdominal fat. I couldn't find the study, but I found this quote. "In general, alcohol intake is associated with bigger waists, because when you drink alcohol, the liver burns alcohol instead of fat," says Michael Jensen, MD, an endocrine expert and obesity researcher with the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. ( http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-beer-and-your-belly )
There is no way to burn fat in one area, like your belly. The amount of carbs you eat doesn't determine fat. Calorie surplus is what causes fat. You can eat 0 carbs and still gain fat if you eat more calories than you burn.
Some people find reducing carbs, or eating carbs with a lower Glycemic Index, helps them control how many calories they eat. If that works for you, great; use it as a tool and realize that's all it is. Carbs are not good or bad, they're just a macro that gives you energy. I find it easier to control my calories when I eat less higher GI foods. I still eat them, I just plan for how I will deal with the blood sugar crash a few hours later so I can stay within my calorie limit for the day/week.
You are very wrong. there is no storage for alcohol calories.
Good to know the 100 or so calorie in a shot of vodka don't need to be tracked because they're not absorbed. Oh wait, they are. Alcohol is a type of sugar broken down and processed by the liver. Ethanol (alcohol) is oxidized to acetaldehyde by liver enzymes and then it enters the citric acid cycle to be metabolized. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreb_cycle
Yes, they go to a place called "boozeland". It's probably where all the extra calories go for special snowflakes too. How magical0 -
Yea because alcohol is a carbohydrate. BECAUSE ALCOHOL CAN BE STORED BY THE BODY?The only carb associated with belly fat is alcohol. The liver prefers to store the excess calories from it in your abdominal fat. I couldn't find the study, but I found this quote. "In general, alcohol intake is associated with bigger waists, because when you drink alcohol, the liver burns alcohol instead of fat," says Michael Jensen, MD, an endocrine expert and obesity researcher with the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. ( http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-beer-and-your-belly )
There is no way to burn fat in one area, like your belly. The amount of carbs you eat doesn't determine fat. Calorie surplus is what causes fat. You can eat 0 carbs and still gain fat if you eat more calories than you burn.
Some people find reducing carbs, or eating carbs with a lower Glycemic Index, helps them control how many calories they eat. If that works for you, great; use it as a tool and realize that's all it is. Carbs are not good or bad, they're just a macro that gives you energy. I find it easier to control my calories when I eat less higher GI foods. I still eat them, I just plan for how I will deal with the blood sugar crash a few hours later so I can stay within my calorie limit for the day/week.
You are very wrong. there is no storage for alcohol calories.
Good to know the 100 or so calorie in a shot of vodka don't need to be tracked because they're not absorbed. Oh wait, they are. Alcohol is a type of sugar broken down and processed by the liver. Ethanol (alcohol) is oxidized to acetaldehyde by liver enzymes and then it enters the citric acid cycle to be metabolized. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreb_cycle
NO it can't, you have no idea what you are talking about and linking the krebs cycle for what?
Alcohol is not a nutrient. Carbohydrates are nutrients
Alcohol must be metabolized. it cannot be stored for later usage. You do not get sober until it is metabolized out of your system.
Why in the world would you call alcohol a carbohydrate? Sounds like you are making a judgement off of people saying beer is liquid bread or some garbage.
Alcohol slows the oxidation of all of the other sources of energy until it is out of the system.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/nutrient-intake-nutrient-storage-and-nutrient-oxidation.html
Please get your facts straight before you make yourself look foolish
The metabolism of alcohol National institute of health with references, NOT WIKI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3484320/0 -
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The only carb associated with belly fat is alcohol. The liver prefers to store the excess calories from it in your abdominal fat. I couldn't find the study, but I found this quote. "In general, alcohol intake is associated with bigger waists, because when you drink alcohol, the liver burns alcohol instead of fat," says Michael Jensen, MD, an endocrine expert and obesity researcher with the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. ( http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-beer-and-your-belly )
There is no way to burn fat in one area, like your belly. The amount of carbs you eat doesn't determine fat. Calorie surplus is what causes fat. You can eat 0 carbs and still gain fat if you eat more calories than you burn.
Some people find reducing carbs, or eating carbs with a lower Glycemic Index, helps them control how many calories they eat. If that works for you, great; use it as a tool and realize that's all it is. Carbs are not good or bad, they're just a macro that gives you energy. I find it easier to control my calories when I eat less higher GI foods. I still eat them, I just plan for how I will deal with the blood sugar crash a few hours later so I can stay within my calorie limit for the day/week.
You are very wrong. there is no storage for alcohol calories.
Good to know the 100 or so calorie in a shot of vodka don't need to be tracked because they're not absorbed. Oh wait, they are. Alcohol is a type of sugar broken down and processed by the liver. Ethanol (alcohol) is oxidized to acetaldehyde by liver enzymes and then it enters the citric acid cycle to be metabolized. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreb_cycle
Yes, they go to a place called "boozeland". It's probably where all the extra calories go for special snowflakes too. How magical
Alcohol must be metabolized by the body immediately...alcohol cannot be stored by the body as fat...that energy has to be used immediately. While your body is busy doing that, it can't metabolize other nutrients or oxidize fat though.0 -
how booze was explained to me say your a "fire"(dude*et) and you drink some "shine"(gas) and you eat some "pork rinds"(white oak), your body will burn the "magic" that the "shine" is entirely comprized of befor it will burn the "pork rinds"... also pouring gas on bacon is bad and will get you slaped by your fellow campers0
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can you stll lose belly fat and have carbs?
ABS-so-lutely. Anyone that tells you different is just plain wrong.0 -
can you stll lose belly fat and have carbs?
ABS-so-lutely. Anyone that tells you different is just plain wrong.
lol thanks! 0 -
I said it is like a carbohydrate. They are different. Carbs have 4 calories per gram, ethanol has 7. Ethanol is metabolized in a similar manner to fructose. I linked to the citric acid cycle as a quick way to reference that some of the alcohol is metabolized into glucose. Obviously you missed the reference.Yea because alcohol is a carbohydrate. BECAUSE ALCOHOL CAN BE STORED BY THE BODY?
NO it can't, you have no idea what you are talking about and linking the krebs cycle for what?
If something has calories and we are able to metabolize those calories, then it is possible to store them. Clearly they're not stored in their original form, but in a form we're actually able to store.0 -
You can't target any particular area through diet or exercise. You just need to eat at a deficit and you will lose fat from all over your body, not just your stomach.
I personally love carbs, and fat and protein. I haven't had trouble losing weight, while eating anything I want, as long as I'm at a deficit. Carbs usually make up about 50% of my calorie intake.
I'm glad it's working out for you. It should be noted that you are 22 years old. Older individuals may have different weight loss parameters.
I am 47. I eat a TON of carbs and I have lost 10 inches in my waist and 8 inches in my hips since I started counting my calories and logging at the end of May 2013.0 -
I said it is like a carbohydrate. They are different. Carbs have 4 calories per gram, ethanol has 7. Ethanol is metabolized in a similar manner to fructose. I linked to the citric acid cycle as a quick way to reference that some of the alcohol is metabolized into glucose. Obviously you missed the reference.Yea because alcohol is a carbohydrate. BECAUSE ALCOHOL CAN BE STORED BY THE BODY?
NO it can't, you have no idea what you are talking about and linking the krebs cycle for what?
If something has calories and we are able to metabolize those calories, then it is possible to store them. Clearly they're not stored in their original form, but in a form we're actually able to store.
What form is it stored in? how is alcohol converted to being able to be stored?
On top of all of this. You seem to be referencing the same concept of fructose as lustig, who is a joke0 -
Yes.
I eat lots of carbs.0
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