No Red Meat or Chicken for Weight Loss
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I love eggs too. I eat eggs like they're going out of style. I also eat beef, pork, and fish. My bf is a tuna fisherman, so I love me some sashimi, literally straight out of the ocean.
So over-fishing a species to near extinction is okay, but caging chickens is just mean. Got it.
In case you were unaware, there is a place off the coast of San Diego called the Tuna Farms, where they breed tuna (much like cattle) in extremely large floating cages.. think like a mile in diameter. This way, they can produce farmed tuna that is tasty and fresh without depleting the ocean of wild tuna. There, now you know. learning is fun!0 -
Red meat & chicken are perfectly healthy. It is the quality that makes a difference. Grassfed & pastured, locally grown are best. Healthiest.0
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Maybe you should read your reply in context to what you quoted, was not an unwarranted assumption, just an observation......so pardon me if I observed you comparing animals in the wild to factory farming...
No, I will not, as you cannot have made any such observation as I never made any such comparison.
But if you like me to pardon you for jumping to an unwarranted assumption or conclusion - that I could do!
ETA: My apologies, should not have asked you for a pardon, as I never get overly concerned about strangers opinions of me.I am reading a book that (among other topics) describes how cattle, pigs, and chickens are mass produced for big food companies in big warehouses instead of free-range style. The descriptions made me want to give up meat and chicken, something I never thought I would do.
You realize that, left to their own "natural" outcome, chickens and cows would pretty much always be eaten alive, right? Literally.
Have you ever seen a cat catch, and then eat a rabbit? While the rabbit is still twitching? It's ugly out there...0 -
I love eggs too. I eat eggs like they're going out of style. I also eat beef, pork, and fish. My bf is a tuna fisherman, so I love me some sashimi, literally straight out of the ocean.
So over-fishing a species to near extinction is okay, but caging chickens is just mean. Got it.
I know you're just picking on me because you think I'm an easy target. but you would be mistaken.0 -
In case you were unaware, there is a place off the coast of San Diego called the Tuna Farms, where they breed tuna (much like cattle) in extremely large floating cages.. think like a mile in diameter. This way, they can produce farmed tuna that is tasty and fresh without depleting the ocean of wild tuna. There, now you know. learning is fun!
So caging fish is ok, but caging chickens isn't?
One of my neighbours was a pioneer in aquaculture - those fish-pens are *packed*.0 -
Grassfed & pastured, locally grown are best. Healthiest.
No, they are not. There is very little nutritional difference between "factory farmed" and pastured.
What you want is game meat - i.e., hunted wild animals.
(PS - this is coming from someone who actually raises pastured pork and free range chickens)0 -
I love eggs too. I eat eggs like they're going out of style. I also eat beef, pork, and fish. My bf is a tuna fisherman, so I love me some sashimi, literally straight out of the ocean.
So over-fishing a species to near extinction is okay, but caging chickens is just mean. Got it.
In case you were unaware, there is a place off the coast of San Diego called the Tuna Farms, where they breed tuna (much like cattle) in extremely large floating cages.. think like a mile in diameter. This way, they can produce farmed tuna that is tasty and fresh without depleting the ocean of wild tuna. There, now you know. learning is fun!
You mean like this? Oh well. Doesn't look so promising.
"However, Clean Seas announced right before Christmas that it was suspending its breeding program for southern bluefin tuna (SBT). “The volume and quantity of fertilised eggs produced to date has been disappointing compared to other seasons,” the company said in a statement to the Australian stock exchange. “Whilst the Company continues to believe in the commercialisation potential of the successful closure of the SBT lifecycle, investment beyond the Company’s current financial resources will be required for this goal to be achieved.” Clean Seas stock traded at 2 Australian dollars in 2008 and now trades at 2 Australian cents."
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-01-08/farm-raised-tuna-may-not-be-the-answer-to-overfishing0 -
I think this is a pretty ridiculous reason to completely stop eating beef and chicken. You can get humanely-raised, vegetarian-fed beef and poultry. At the end of the day, animals of these types are raised for slaughter, whether they're raised in a pasture or on a factory farm. Even in the wild, life is not a Disney movie for an animal, and I'm not exactly sure why people insist that it's supposed to be.0
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get organic, grass fed poultry. red meat is good, but i'd cut it to 1-2 times a week (that's what i do). same goes for the beef. throw some vegetarian meals in there every once in a while (or meatless meals, for things like broth). it helps cut costs or balance them because the organic meat is more expensive. i would also suggest range free eggs!
This! Go Paleo!
Eh ... Legumes, fruit, and (antibiotic and hormone free, preferably organic, better yet, grass-fed, but not a necessity, just hormone and antibiotic free will do) dairy, are demons to be avoided (unless you have an intolerance or allergy) ... Just eating a diet that consist of mainly unprocessed (or minimally processed) whole foods will work just the same ...0 -
Some days, I'm browsing the forums here and just feel like I'm drowning in an unstoppable tsunami.0
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Some days, I'm browsing the forums here and just feel like I'm drowning in an unstoppable tsunami.
keep fighting the good fight. I bet the 10 who ignore, 20 listen.0 -
Indeed!Some days, I'm browsing the forums here and just feel like I'm drowning in an unstoppable tsunami.0 -
I think this is a pretty ridiculous reason to completely stop eating beef and chicken. You can get humanely-raised, vegetarian-fed beef and poultry. At the end of the day, animals of these types are raised for slaughter, whether they're raised in a pasture or on a factory farm. Even in the wild, life is not a Disney movie for an animal, and I'm not exactly sure why people insist that it's supposed to be.
It drives me crazy to see poultry labeled as 'vegetarian fed'. Chickens are NOT vegetarian, they're omnivorous, and they need animal by-products to be optimally healthy and tasty.0 -
I am reading a book that (among other topics) describes how cattle, pigs, and chickens are mass produced for big food companies in big warehouses instead of free-range style. The descriptions made me want to give up meat and chicken, something I never thought I would do. I still haven't been able to eat a hamburger since I read about the conditions within these mass-production factories, so I decided to experiment with not eating any meat or chicken for the last five days while sticking to my allotted calories. In five days I lost four and a half pounds and I feel great. Any comments regarding this "experiment" I've done and am quite excited about?
That's great..but you COULD buy local humanely kept meats/poultry.0 -
I am reading a book that (among other topics) describes how cattle, pigs, and chickens are mass produced for big food companies in big warehouses instead of free-range style. The descriptions made me want to give up meat and chicken, something I never thought I would do. I still haven't been able to eat a hamburger since I read about the conditions within these mass-production factories, so I decided to experiment with not eating any meat or chicken for the last five days while sticking to my allotted calories. In five days I lost four and a half pounds and I feel great. Any comments regarding this "experiment" I've done and am quite excited about?
That's great..but you COULD buy local humanely kept meats/poultry.
I sure wish people would read all the posts by the OP before replying. I had stated after my original post that I could not afford the price of range-free cattle and chicken. I found prices from a couple of companies; one sold such ground beef for $10 a pound. My family of four is on a very tight budget and without medical insurance (for now). We can't afford such high prices. I will continue to research any local farms, but so far haven't been able to find any. (And perhaps I'm overreacting to the capitalized "COULD" in your post, but it sure seemed like a negative criticism to me.)
I guess I'm a bit annoyed by all the flak that's flying around because I mentioned giving up meat and chicken. For goodness sake, can't we be a little more kinder to people in these postings? I'd like to recommend a link to another forum I found: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1132556-why-is-there-so-much-negativity-here0 -
I am reading a book that (among other topics) describes how cattle, pigs, and chickens are mass produced for big food companies in big warehouses instead of free-range style. The descriptions made me want to give up meat and chicken, something I never thought I would do. I still haven't been able to eat a hamburger since I read about the conditions within these mass-production factories, so I decided to experiment with not eating any meat or chicken for the last five days while sticking to my allotted calories. In five days I lost four and a half pounds and I feel great. Any comments regarding this "experiment" I've done and am quite excited about?
That's great..but you COULD buy local humanely kept meats/poultry.
I sure wish people would read all the posts by the OP before replying. I had stated after my original post that I could not afford the price of range-free cattle and chicken. I found prices from a couple of companies; one sold such ground beef for $10 a pound. My family of four is on a very tight budget and without medical insurance (for now). We can't afford such high prices. I will continue to research any local farms, but so far haven't been able to find any. (And perhaps I'm overreacting to the capitalized "COULD" in your post, but it sure seemed like a negative criticism to me.)
I guess I'm a bit annoyed by all the flak that's flying around because I mentioned giving up meat and chicken. For goodness sake, can't we be a little more kinder to people in these postings? I'd like to recommend a link to another forum I found: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1132556-why-is-there-so-much-negativity-here
Where do you live? Have you looked for local farms or farmers markets? I get my ground beef for $5 a lb. Yes, still more then the grocery but I know how the cows are kept, how the meat is processed, who does the processing, and, I swear to all that is holy, it tastes SO much better.
Another idea and one I hope to start doing once I have a new place to live where I can fit a second freezer is to buy a half cow from a farm and have it processed in the ways I want (aka, how much ground beef vs steaks). It costs more upfront, but overall is a money saver.
Chicken is harder to find. Many have told me it is because of the risk of contamination. I have no idea if that is true, but that is what farmers have told me.
If you want some help trying to find something that might work, you can message me. I will see if I can find anything. No promises as some areas have not caught up to the "farm to table" idea as of yet.
I have just started to go this way when it comes to specific products. I also try to buy as much local as possible. Not for any health benefit or because of an ethical reason. I just think the products I get this way taste better and I help support local business.0 -
Well, if that's what you want, good for you, but there is no way in freaking hell I would give up rare beefsteak, chicken, or any other meat. I'd far rather just hang onto those last 8 lbs. than live without red meat. Quality of life comes first!0
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I only buy cage free eggs, because I think it's cruel to keep them caged their whole lives. they are living creatures.
But it's ok to take their offspring and eat them....?
Well hell, of course, that's what they are for, that's why we raise them in the first place! Meat animals are meat, that's all there is to it. I raise my own free-range Muscovy ducks for the table, no medication, no antibiotics, no hormones, just duck chow, overage salad, and plenty of slugs, insects, worms, mice, and whatever else they can find.0 -
You post something controversial, judgmental, and vague, and you're upset about the flak? lolI am reading a book that (among other topics) describes how cattle, pigs, and chickens are mass produced for big food companies in big warehouses instead of free-range style. The descriptions made me want to give up meat and chicken, something I never thought I would do. I still haven't been able to eat a hamburger since I read about the conditions within these mass-production factories, so I decided to experiment with not eating any meat or chicken for the last five days while sticking to my allotted calories. In five days I lost four and a half pounds and I feel great. Any comments regarding this "experiment" I've done and am quite excited about?
That's great..but you COULD buy local humanely kept meats/poultry.
I sure wish people would read all the posts by the OP before replying. I had stated after my original post that I could not afford the price of range-free cattle and chicken. I found prices from a couple of companies; one sold such ground beef for $10 a pound. My family of four is on a very tight budget and without medical insurance (for now). We can't afford such high prices. I will continue to research any local farms, but so far haven't been able to find any. (And perhaps I'm overreacting to the capitalized "COULD" in your post, but it sure seemed like a negative criticism to me.)
I guess I'm a bit annoyed by all the flak that's flying around because I mentioned giving up meat and chicken. For goodness sake, can't we be a little more kinder to people in these postings? I'd like to recommend a link to another forum I found: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1132556-why-is-there-so-much-negativity-here0 -
In the UK male calves are shot as veal cages are banned in the UK
They have been banned since 1990, but please google rose veal which is raised in accordance with the RSPCA rules.
True but due to this ban, veal became unpopular in the UK and hardly anybody knows about rose veal, so demand is poor and they are still getting shot!
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Okay, so unwanted male calves are being shot, more likely raised for beef but I'll assume you're right and they are being shot. So what? Why is this a problem to anyone??]0 -
You post something controversial, judgmental, and vague, and you're upset about the flak? lolI am reading a book that (among other topics) describes how cattle, pigs, and chickens are mass produced for big food companies in big warehouses instead of free-range style. The descriptions made me want to give up meat and chicken, something I never thought I would do. I still haven't been able to eat a hamburger since I read about the conditions within these mass-production factories, so I decided to experiment with not eating any meat or chicken for the last five days while sticking to my allotted calories. In five days I lost four and a half pounds and I feel great. Any comments regarding this "experiment" I've done and am quite excited about?
That's great..but you COULD buy local humanely kept meats/poultry.
I sure wish people would read all the posts by the OP before replying. I had stated after my original post that I could not afford the price of range-free cattle and chicken. I found prices from a couple of companies; one sold such ground beef for $10 a pound. My family of four is on a very tight budget and without medical insurance (for now). We can't afford such high prices. I will continue to research any local farms, but so far haven't been able to find any. (And perhaps I'm overreacting to the capitalized "COULD" in your post, but it sure seemed like a negative criticism to me.)
I guess I'm a bit annoyed by all the flak that's flying around because I mentioned giving up meat and chicken. For goodness sake, can't we be a little more kinder to people in these postings? I'd like to recommend a link to another forum I found: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1132556-why-is-there-so-much-negativity-here
The question in my first post: "Any comments regarding this "experiment" I've done and am quite excited about?" I was excited about it because I lost four and a half pounds.
Why was it judgmental? I never said it was bad to eat chicken and meat. I never even said I was swearing off chicken and meat forever. I said in another post I would continue the experiment for another week and see where it got me. What is controversial about that? I never said I thought anyone was bad for eating chicken and meat, and I certainly don't feel that way at all.
I guess I have to realize people read between the lines perhaps and try to fill in the blanks. Because you are right, my first post was too vague. It's the first time I ever started a forum and I wasn't sure if I should go on and on into detail. Now I know I should have. I stated a couple of times in my posts that I was not stating that I thought everyone should give up chicken and meat -- it was just an experiment I was trying. I simply wanted to know if other people had similar experiences, as I later stated in a second or third post. From reading the truly helpful posts, I now know that it perhaps is simply due to the change in my diet and has nothing to do with cutting out chicken and meat specifically. I'll see if it continues to work for another week.
My point again is why can't we be kinder in our advice?0 -
I raise my own free-range Muscovy ducks for the table, no medication, no antibiotics, no hormones, just duck chow, overage salad, and plenty of slugs, insects, worms, mice, and whatever else they can find.
Those might be my next project. Still working through this, or geese for foie gras.
Duck is amazingly good....love the stuff...0 -
Some days, I'm browsing the forums here and just feel like I'm drowning in an unstoppable tsunami.
QFT!!! X1000000000 -
You have my full support. Enjoy! :flowerforyou:0
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You have my full support. Enjoy! :flowerforyou:
Thank you! I'm sure enjoying my tight jeans becoming loose ones!0
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