Is it starvation mode???
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I read a book two years ago where the famous starvation mode was sited. The researcher said that studies were done in Minnesota after WWII on starvation, the like of which have never been done since. It does exist- according to the studies done at that time. Interesting don't you think? I think it's logical that our bodies adapt to certain situations for a time, of course if you keep on starving, eventually--you die.0
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Actually I thought it was 450 calories a day, but I didn't remember it correctly here is the quote
"absolute TDEE was significantly reduced in
CR (−454±76 kcal/d) and
LCD (−633±66 kcal/d) but not in
CR+EX or
controls"
CR - Calorie Restricted
LCD - Low Calorie Restricted
CR +Ex - Calorie Restricted with Exercise
So there you go, it is hundreds of calories a day and in the Low Calorie Diet up to 700 calories a day
That's great, but what is your source?
And even if those numbers are accurate how are they differentiating the adaptive thermogenesis from the normal decrease in metabolism that occurs with weight loss? Lets say you start out weighing 200 pounds and then lose a good amount of weight -- 50 pounds. That weight loss in itself will cause you to burn less calories because it takes fewer calories to fuel a smaller person.1 -
I get very uptight with the starvation mode is a myth crowd, so I did this.
feel free to read unfortunately for all of us... it's not a myth.
The podcast I linked does suggest some things that can help (and there are some other very good scientifically based articles on that site that can help too)
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/Qski
the thing is that most times when people someone say “I am doing all the right things, eating less, exercising and nothing is happening” you find out that they in fact are not weighing their food exactly thus not logging accurately and/or use inflated exercise calories that they more or less eat back thus they are not actually maintaining a calorie deficit.
All the issues that you list on your blog post do exist, but don't actually amount to hundreds of calories a day. You need to think about it logically and not tainted by your own feelings about your weight loss journey. Work camps, prison camps, people stranded with nothing to eat, they all lose weight. Do they have metabolic issues if that situation goes on for too long? Absolutely, but they still lost the weight in the first place.
My issue with this is not about my own experiences my issue is telling people who may very well be logging correctly to eat less.
It's not just one factor that contributes to this 'starvation mode' there are several and if you believe the premise of calories in calories out you have to believe in starvation mode
at high weight TDEE is based on your body weight and your exercise
after you have been dieting it is based on your body weight, your exercise and your factors based on starvation mode (unpredictable)
Like I said in what I wrote...
eating a little more is never going to be detrimental to the OPs health
but blindly assuming that it is an over estimation and going on about eating less can be
yes some people overestimate
yes more women overestimate
yes women who are logging in a social environment overestimate even more
but some people dont
and telling them starvation mode is a myth is firstly a lie and secondly could be a bad idea
I am losing 500g a week have been doing this for 10 weeks this does not impact me. I just don't like the idea of people accidentally telling people who may be eating borderline too little that they should just eat less.
ETA - and yes it can be in the 100s of calories per day 452(per day) is the highest I read in the studies I cited.
If someone is not losing weight they are not in caloric deficit. Period.
If someone says they are doing everything right blah blah and we tell them the reality of calories in < calories out, we are doing them a service. Definitely NOT a bad idea.
Rather than immediately saying, "Oh my gosh, you're in starvation mode! Eat more to weigh less!!" I think we should approach the situation logically and question their logging accuracy.
If people want justification to eat more calories I'm not going to give it to them. But there are plenty of people here on the boards that will. I will however suggest that they weigh all their food and let others take a look at their diary.
Furthermore, I said that starvation mode, as most define it, is a myth. As most define it. Please read the article.1 -
Why does this type of thread show up so often - oh I see, it's a newb.
BTW, unsourced web blogs are usually not the best to back up your argument.
Although some call it "starvation mode", it's also referred to metabolic adaptation, starvation response, adaptive thermogenesis, etc. and they pretty much all mean the same thing. No it doesn't happen over night, or even in a week. It's a gradual process that can take months. This is what you would call a "stall" especially when people get close to their goal weight.
You judging the OP by their start date would be like judging you for losing only 10lbs in four years.
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No. The answer is no. Starvation mode, as most define it, is a myth. Please read this article:
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode/
I love it... especially this part, "There is no such thing as “I’m not losing any weight because I’m eating too little.” That’s horse****. And there’s definitely no such thing as “I’m gaining weight because I’m eating too little.” That’s even bigger horse**** that I can only assume would require the presence of an even bigger horse."1 -
Thank you - great post!!!
I get both ticked off and amused by the "your not eating enough" crowd. I admit when I first started on here I read these comments and started eating more for two weeks - guess what happened?? I stopped losing weight. Then I did my own reading on the subject and realized that for all but the snowflakes it did not apply to me in any way. I went back to eating the way I was and the pounds just kept coming off. No damage no nails falling out plenty of energy. Thanks for the post love that article it was the one that turned me around for good.1 -
Thank you - great post!!!
I get both ticked off and amused by the "your not eating enough" crowd. I admit when I first started on here I read these comments and started eating more for two weeks - guess what happened?? I stopped losing weight. Then I did my own reading on the subject and realized that for all but the snowflakes it did not apply to me in any way. I went back to eating the way I was and the pounds just kept coming off. No damage no nails falling out plenty of energy. Thanks for the post love that article it was the one that turned me around for good.
I find it incredibly frustrating to read their comments. Who knows how many people read that nonsense, decide to eat more calories and sabotage their weight loss? I wish I were a special snowflake, but alas I am not.1 -
I get very uptight with the starvation mode is a myth crowd, so I did this.
feel free to read unfortunately for all of us... it's not a myth.
The podcast I linked does suggest some things that can help (and there are some other very good scientifically based articles on that site that can help too)
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/Qski
the thing is that most times when people someone say “I am doing all the right things, eating less, exercising and nothing is happening” you find out that they in fact are not weighing their food exactly thus not logging accurately and/or use inflated exercise calories that they more or less eat back thus they are not actually maintaining a calorie deficit.
All the issues that you list on your blog post do exist, but don't actually amount to hundreds of calories a day. You need to think about it logically and not tainted by your own feelings about your weight loss journey. Work camps, prison camps, people stranded with nothing to eat, they all lose weight. Do they have metabolic issues if that situation goes on for too long? Absolutely, but they still lost the weight in the first place.
My issue with this is not about my own experiences my issue is telling people who may very well be logging correctly to eat less.
It's not just one factor that contributes to this 'starvation mode' there are several and if you believe the premise of calories in calories out you have to believe in starvation mode
at high weight TDEE is based on your body weight and your exercise
after you have been dieting it is based on your body weight, your exercise and your factors based on starvation mode (unpredictable)
Like I said in what I wrote...
eating a little more is never going to be detrimental to the OPs health
but blindly assuming that it is an over estimation and going on about eating less can be
yes some people overestimate
yes more women overestimate
yes women who are logging in a social environment overestimate even more
but some people dont
and telling them starvation mode is a myth is firstly a lie and secondly could be a bad idea
I am losing 500g a week have been doing this for 10 weeks this does not impact me. I just don't like the idea of people accidentally telling people who may be eating borderline too little that they should just eat less.
ETA - and yes it can be in the 100s of calories per day 452(per day) is the highest I read in the studies I cited.
If someone is not losing weight they are not in caloric deficit. Period.
If someone says they are doing everything right blah blah and we tell them the reality of calories in < calories out, we are doing them a service. Definitely NOT a bad idea.
Rather than immediately saying, "Oh my gosh, you're in starvation mode! Eat more to weigh less!!" I think we should approach the situation logically and question their logging accuracy.
If people want justification to eat more calories I'm not going to give it to them. But there are plenty of people here on the boards that will. I will however suggest that they weigh all their food and let others take a look at their diary.
Furthermore, I said that starvation mode, as most define it, is a myth. As most define it. Please read the article.
Everything you queried is already addressed in both my blog entries and I did read your link
It uses the same illogical reasoning as all the others and there are also no studies since 1999 saying that starvation mode doesn't exist.
Read the studies and details
Science has moved on they are now focussed on how to combat or minimise starvation mode because its already been proven how about updating your knowledge and taking on the information available since 20000 -
Why does this type of thread show up so often - oh I see, it's a newb.
BTW, unsourced web blogs are usually not the best to back up your argument.
Although some call it "starvation mode", it's also referred to metabolic adaptation, starvation response, adaptive thermogenesis, etc. and they pretty much all mean the same thing. No it doesn't happen over night, or even in a week. It's a gradual process that can take months. This is what you would call a "stall" especially when people get close to their goal weight.
You judging the OP by their start date would be like judging you for losing only 10lbs in four years.
ok... that was good!0 -
Thank you - great post!!!
I get both ticked off and amused by the "your not eating enough" crowd. I admit when I first started on here I read these comments and started eating more for two weeks - guess what happened?? I stopped losing weight. Then I did my own reading on the subject and realized that for all but the snowflakes it did not apply to me in any way. I went back to eating the way I was and the pounds just kept coming off. No damage no nails falling out plenty of energy. Thanks for the post love that article it was the one that turned me around for good.
I find it incredibly frustrating to read their comments. Who knows how many people read that nonsense, decide to eat more calories and sabotage their weight loss? I wish I were a special snowflake, but alas I am not.
Going back to eating properly and then going back to a deficit is a great way to combat starvation mode
And recommended by most who understand the symptoms. Well done0 -
Why does this type of thread show up so often - oh I see, it's a newb.
BTW, unsourced web blogs are usually not the best to back up your argument.
Although some call it "starvation mode", it's also referred to metabolic adaptation, starvation response, adaptive thermogenesis, etc. and they pretty much all mean the same thing. No it doesn't happen over night, or even in a week. It's a gradual process that can take months. This is what you would call a "stall" especially when people get close to their goal weight.
Are you saying people go into starvation mode when they get close to their goal weight?0 -
Thank you - great post!!!
I get both ticked off and amused by the "your not eating enough" crowd. I admit when I first started on here I read these comments and started eating more for two weeks - guess what happened?? I stopped losing weight. Then I did my own reading on the subject and realized that for all but the snowflakes it did not apply to me in any way. I went back to eating the way I was and the pounds just kept coming off. No damage no nails falling out plenty of energy. Thanks for the post love that article it was the one that turned me around for good.
I find it incredibly frustrating to read their comments. Who knows how many people read that nonsense, decide to eat more calories and sabotage their weight loss? I wish I were a special snowflake, but alas I am not.
Going back to eating properly and then going back to a deficit is a great way to combat starvation mode
And recommended by most who understand the symptoms. Well done
Oh boy, here we go again with you. :yawn:0 -
Why does this type of thread show up so often - oh I see, it's a newb.
BTW, unsourced web blogs are usually not the best to back up your argument.
Although some call it "starvation mode", it's also referred to metabolic adaptation, starvation response, adaptive thermogenesis, etc. and they pretty much all mean the same thing. No it doesn't happen over night, or even in a week. It's a gradual process that can take months. This is what you would call a "stall" especially when people get close to their goal weight.
You judging the OP by their start date would be like judging you for losing only 10lbs in four years.
:laugh: BOOOO-YAH!! lol....I'm sorry was that my outside voice?! Sorry that was pretty good!! They obviously didn't fully (if at all) read the link the OP provided.0 -
In for the awesomeness :happy: Owh and off course for the excitement coming!!! Great article OP0
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Actually I thought it was 450 calories a day, but I didn't remember it correctly here is the quote
"absolute TDEE was significantly reduced in
CR (−454±76 kcal/d) and
LCD (−633±66 kcal/d) but not in
CR+EX or
controls"
CR - Calorie Restricted
LCD - Low Calorie Restricted
CR +Ex - Calorie Restricted with Exercise
So there you go, it is hundreds of calories a day and in the Low Calorie Diet up to 700 calories a day
That's great, but what is your source?
And even if those numbers are accurate how are they differentiating the adaptive thermogenesis from the normal decrease in metabolism that occurs with weight loss? Lets say you start out weighing 200 pounds and then lose a good amount of weight -- 50 pounds. That weight loss in itself will cause you to burn less calories because it takes fewer calories to fuel a smaller person.
I have quoted all my sources and provided a link to another source that has an additional 10 sources
All peer reviewed studies
And yes they have all taken into account the expected drop in TDEE based on mass that is what the studies are about the variations in the drop that are not attributed to mass you can see in the figures nobody has a higher than expected TDEE all except the control group and those who ate at a small deficit and did exercise experienced stravation mode and those who ate a greater deficit experienced more of it.0 -
Why does this type of thread show up so often - oh I see, it's a newb.
BTW, unsourced web blogs are usually not the best to back up your argument.
Although some call it "starvation mode", it's also referred to metabolic adaptation, starvation response, adaptive thermogenesis, etc. and they pretty much all mean the same thing. No it doesn't happen over night, or even in a week. It's a gradual process that can take months. This is what you would call a "stall" especially when people get close to their goal weight.
Are you saying people go into starvation mode when they get close to their goal weight?
Yes the longer you diet and the greater your deficit is the more you may experience starvation mode
Again 21 peer reviewed studies listed directly and indirectly in my blog entry and a painted example for those who don't get how it can work in a subsequent entry
The original article posted by the OP uses some articles but misinterprets them and also claims a tiny effect which is not what most recent studies have found.0 -
Read the article...can't wait to come back and read the comments. I'll save this juiciness for later when I have more time...teehee
Great article btw!0 -
Great article! Thanks for sharing.0
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Thanks for posting! (:0
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That is a great article. There is only one reason I don't lose or gain weight. calories in vs calories out. I had a long hard conversation with myself asking why am I hungry all the time; I feel like I am starving. I came up with that "hungry/starvation" feeling is not about hungry at all.
I am 6'4'' and I found out I could live on 800-1000 calories a day and thrive on 1200-1500 calories a day being moderately active. I was confused; why am I eating 3,000 to 4,000 calories a day and still feeling hungry? How can I feel hungry and still gain weight. The "feeling" I was associating with hunger was not hunger at all. It was addiction.
I was addicted to eating (still am) just like an alcoholic or drug addict. Losing weight is more of a mental battle and being brutally honest. Ask yourself., why am I eating: bored, lonely, unfulfilled, etc. If there is a void in your life there is not enough food in the world to fill it.
So, Starvation Mode - MYTH! Recognizing food has a proper role in your life - PRICELESS!1
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