Should pre-workout snack be counted?
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Where did you find a 45 calorie banana?
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Yes. You should count everything that has calories.0
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Everything counts! Everything gets logged!
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That's a really small banana.
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Judging by the picture, I'm not sure the OP should be trying to lose a single ounce and I'm concerned about the rest of his diet.0
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you should have a weekly deficit of 3500 calories for every pound you want to lose.
Yes but there is a caveat... as you get leaner your deficit needs to be reduced. Studies show the body can only access 30 calories per pound of fat. So get your body fat %, figure out how much fat you are carrying and multiply by 30. That will give you a ballpark of an appropriate deficit to shoot for. I have the study somewhere on my computer... if you want to see it I will dig it up.
That said OP, judging by your pic, weight loss is not your goal. So to answer your initial question, yes count the banana...
I don't mean to nitpick but I'd disagree that the theoretical transfer rate limit should indicate where you "should" set your deficit. I would suggest that if you are going to go by that paper (I believe you're referring to this one but please correct me if I'm wrong: A limit on the energy transfer rate from the human fat store in hypophagia: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15615615) you should instead treat it as a threshold at which exceeding said intake may result in LBM losses.
I'm only mentioning this because in some cases using the limits proposed by the above paper may set your deficit greater than what may be optimal for performance/adherence reasons.
It's certainly a fascinating idea though IMO.0 -
Judging by the picture, I'm not sure the OP should be trying to lose a single ounce and I'm concerned about the rest of his diet.
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Where did you find a 45 calorie banana?
Most Thai Bananas are not quite as small as the one above but are smaller than the "usual western banana - compare the one on the left to the usual western one on the right in the pic below) and would be nearer to the 45 cals quoted. These are commonly seen on the street here often hot on the grill, or deep fried in a wok, or drowned in coconut milk.
But there are hundreds of varieties here in Thailand, some limited to a particular region. As well as a huge variety of sizes, there are even a variety of different coloured bananas from yellow to red to black (no, not just very over-ripe). :laugh:
Thai Sweet Black Bananas:
See here for a few more picture examples
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/banana/msg122047276277.html
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Lol! i actually measure everything so it really is 45 cals cause i only eat 50 grams of a banana (1/2 banana) and no i'm not trying to loose weight, i'm actually on reverse dieting, i usually save calories for intense cravings at night0
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you should have a weekly deficit of 3500 calories for every pound you want to lose.
Yes but there is a caveat... as you get leaner your deficit needs to be reduced. Studies show the body can only access 30 calories per pound of fat. So get your body fat %, figure out how much fat you are carrying and multiply by 30. That will give you a ballpark of an appropriate deficit to shoot for. I have the study somewhere on my computer... if you want to see it I will dig it up.
That said OP, judging by your pic, weight loss is not your goal. So to answer your initial question, yes count the banana...
I don't mean to nitpick but I'd disagree that the theoretical transfer rate limit should indicate where you "should" set your deficit. I would suggest that if you are going to go by that paper (I believe you're referring to this one but please correct me if I'm wrong: A limit on the energy transfer rate from the human fat store in hypophagia: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15615615) you should instead treat it as a threshold at which exceeding said intake may result in LBM losses.
I'm only mentioning this because in some cases using the limits proposed by the above paper may set your deficit greater than what may be optimal for performance/adherence reasons.
It's certainly a fascinating idea though IMO.
Yes that's the paper. I agree 100%. It really is just a jumping off point to set a range. With everything, test and re-test. Thanks for bringing that up.0 -
Yes that's the paper. I agree 100%. It really is just a jumping off point to set a range. With everything, test and re-test. Thanks for bringing that up.
Paleojoe & Sidesteel--thanks for calling attention to this paper--very interesting to know!
Oh, and shaming Thai bananas is racist.0 -
Lol! i actually measure everything so it really is 45 cals cause i only eat 50 grams of a banana (1/2 banana) and no i'm not trying to loose weight, i'm actually on reverse dieting, i usually save calories for intense cravings at night
Im not following.....So your counting calories to gain weight?0 -
Lol! i actually measure everything so it really is 45 cals cause i only eat 50 grams of a banana (1/2 banana) and no i'm not trying to loose weight, i'm actually on reverse dieting, i usually save calories for intense cravings at night
Im not following.....So your counting calories to gain weight?
Something wrong with that?0 -
Lol! i actually measure everything so it really is 45 cals cause i only eat 50 grams of a banana (1/2 banana) and no i'm not trying to loose weight, i'm actually on reverse dieting, i usually save calories for intense cravings at night
Im not following.....So your counting calories to gain weight?
Something wrong with that?
Not at all. Just wondering why someone who needs to gain weight would be concerned about saving calories for later and bothering to count the calories of 1/2 a banana. Just eat the whole damn banana.0 -
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Lol! i actually measure everything so it really is 45 cals cause i only eat 50 grams of a banana (1/2 banana) and no i'm not trying to loose weight, i'm actually on reverse dieting, i usually save calories for intense cravings at night
Im not following.....So your counting calories to gain weight?
Something wrong with that?
Not at all. Just wondering why someone who needs to gain weight would be concerned about saving calories for later and bothering to count the calories of 1/2 a banana. Just eat the whole damn banana.
Um. Because it's still possible to overeat when trying to gain weight...?0 -
Lol! i actually measure everything so it really is 45 cals cause i only eat 50 grams of a banana (1/2 banana) and no i'm not trying to loose weight, i'm actually on reverse dieting, i usually save calories for intense cravings at night
Im not following.....So your counting calories to gain weight?
Something wrong with that?
Not at all. Just wondering why someone who needs to gain weight would be concerned about saving calories for later and bothering to count the calories of 1/2 a banana. Just eat the whole damn banana.
Um. Because it's still possible to overeat when trying to gain weight...?
At the OP's current size it's highly unlikely. He should eat the the whole damn banana....after dipping it in peanut butter. Gaining weight is extremely difficult for some people mainly because they have trouble eating enough cals. I agree with you that he definitely should be counting, but mostly to make sure he hits his minimum thresholds.
I've never seen any "gain weight" plan that had people limiting themselves to 50 or 100 calorie portions for snacks or meals. Measuring out banana bites damn near costs him more calories than he's consumes by eating it.0 -
Lol! i actually measure everything so it really is 45 cals cause i only eat 50 grams of a banana (1/2 banana) and no i'm not trying to loose weight, i'm actually on reverse dieting, i usually save calories for intense cravings at night
Im not following.....So your counting calories to gain weight?
Something wrong with that?
Not at all. Just wondering why someone who needs to gain weight would be concerned about saving calories for later and bothering to count the calories of 1/2 a banana. Just eat the whole damn banana.
Um. Because it's still possible to overeat when trying to gain weight...?
At the OP's current size it's highly unlikely. He should eat the the whole damn banana....after dipping it in peanut butter. Gaining weight is extremely difficult for some people mainly because they have trouble eating enough cals. I agree with you that he definitely should be counting, but mostly to make sure he hits his minimum thresholds.
I've never seen any "gain weight" plan that had people limiting themselves to 50 or 100 calorie portions for snacks or meals. Measuring out banana bites damn near costs him more calories than he's consumes by eating it.
Well we can't see the OP's diary. Who knows what he's eating later in the day.
Since when do we focus on making sure people get their calories at the right time of day?0 -
I count everything.0
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Yes... log those cals. Even if you deposit something as small as a dollar into your bank account it is logged, right? Same thing here.0
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If she eats 45 cals then burns off 45 cals why should it be counted?
??? Unless the OP is also not counting the exercise then you point would workout out to calorie neutral. But if you put in MFP that you burned 50 cals, then that would be -50, when it should be 0.0 -
Lol! i actually measure everything so it really is 45 cals cause i only eat 50 grams of a banana (1/2 banana) and no i'm not trying to loose weight, i'm actually on reverse dieting, i usually save calories for intense cravings at night
Im not following.....So your counting calories to gain weight?
Something wrong with that?
Not at all. Just wondering why someone who needs to gain weight would be concerned about saving calories for later and bothering to count the calories of 1/2 a banana. Just eat the whole damn banana.
Um. Because it's still possible to overeat when trying to gain weight...?
At the OP's current size it's highly unlikely. He should eat the the whole damn banana....after dipping it in peanut butter. Gaining weight is extremely difficult for some people mainly because they have trouble eating enough cals. I agree with you that he definitely should be counting, but mostly to make sure he hits his minimum thresholds.
I've never seen any "gain weight" plan that had people limiting themselves to 50 or 100 calorie portions for snacks or meals. Measuring out banana bites damn near costs him more calories than he's consumes by eating it.
Well we can't see the OP's diary. Who knows what he's eating later in the day.
Since when do we focus on making sure people get their calories at the right time of day?
Perhaps he needs one of these with his banana.
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Someone who is trying to gain weight (or lose it ) and measuring out 50g worth of a banana to stay within a self-imposed 45 calorie limit has a true problem and I don't think anyone here is qualified to advise someone with such an issue.
OP, seek help from a nutritionist definitely and a psychiatrist probably.0 -
Lol! i actually measure everything so it really is 45 cals cause i only eat 50 grams of a banana (1/2 banana) and no i'm not trying to loose weight, i'm actually on reverse dieting, i usually save calories for intense cravings at night
Im not following.....So your counting calories to gain weight?
Something wrong with that?
Not at all. Just wondering why someone who needs to gain weight would be concerned about saving calories for later and bothering to count the calories of 1/2 a banana. Just eat the whole damn banana.
Um. Because it's still possible to overeat when trying to gain weight...?
At the OP's current size it's highly unlikely. He should eat the the whole damn banana....after dipping it in peanut butter. Gaining weight is extremely difficult for some people mainly because they have trouble eating enough cals. I agree with you that he definitely should be counting, but mostly to make sure he hits his minimum thresholds.
I've never seen any "gain weight" plan that had people limiting themselves to 50 or 100 calorie portions for snacks or meals. Measuring out banana bites damn near costs him more calories than he's consumes by eating it.
Well we can't see the OP's diary. Who knows what he's eating later in the day.
Since when do we focus on making sure people get their calories at the right time of day?
Perhaps he needs one of these with his banana.
You're only looking at about 700 calories there. Almost every single sandwich on the Panera menu has more calories than what you see in that picture. I'm not even kidding. By quick count, out of 18 sandwiches on the Panera menu, 12 have more calories, including 10 of 11 "signature" or hot sandwiches.0 -
Someone who is trying to gain weight (or lose it ) and measuring out 50g worth of a banana to stay within a self-imposed 45 calorie limit has a true problem and I don't think anyone here is qualified to advise someone with such an issue.
OP, seek help from a nutritionist definitely and a psychiatrist probably.
This is a massive leap. We don't know what his diet is like.0 -
Do some research and set a reasonable over all calorie level depending on your specific goal.
Get a food scale and weigh your food so you can get a more accurate picture of how many calories you're eating.
Log everything.
A food scale changed my life *crying hysterically*.0 -
Yes.
And there is NO WAY a whole banana is just 45 cals.0 -
Yes.0
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Lol! i actually measure everything so it really is 45 cals cause i only eat 50 grams of a banana (1/2 banana) and no i'm not trying to loose weight, i'm actually on reverse dieting, i usually save calories for intense cravings at night
Im not following.....So your counting calories to gain weight?
Something wrong with that?
Not at all. Just wondering why someone who needs to gain weight would be concerned about saving calories for later and bothering to count the calories of 1/2 a banana. Just eat the whole damn banana.
Um. Because it's still possible to overeat when trying to gain weight...?
At the OP's current size it's highly unlikely. He should eat the the whole damn banana....after dipping it in peanut butter. Gaining weight is extremely difficult for some people mainly because they have trouble eating enough cals. I agree with you that he definitely should be counting, but mostly to make sure he hits his minimum thresholds.
I've never seen any "gain weight" plan that had people limiting themselves to 50 or 100 calorie portions for snacks or meals. Measuring out banana bites damn near costs him more calories than he's consumes by eating it.
Well we can't see the OP's diary. Who knows what he's eating later in the day.
Since when do we focus on making sure people get their calories at the right time of day?
Am I looking at my watch? I couldn't care what time he eats, he just needs to eat. I would bet a large sum of money he's not consuming enough food at ANY time, including his "late night binges".
Most of these guys don't have the appetite to scarf down 2000-3000 in a single sitting or a short window, so they are much better served eating what they can, when they can.
And do you really think that a guy that would measure out half a banana is going hog wild at other parts of the day? Dubious, highly dubious0
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