WAPF and Traditional Foods
Lizzard_77
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Just looking for some fellow WAPFers. Anyone out there? I aspire to 80/20 but am currently 70/30 Primal/WAPF and would love to find others who are into the traditional food lifestyle 
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I thought maybe i would give a little information about WAPF for those of you unfamiliar. These guidelines are taken directly from the Weston A. Price Foundation website http://www.westonaprice.org/ . Some of them are a bit strict for me, I mean don't tell me what pots and pans to cook in and if I have really clean well water then I probably wouldn't filter it, and I would NEVER use stevia. That said I appreciate the practice of a WAPF lifestyle and have found my body and mind to function much more happily since I began 6 months ago.
1. Eat whole, natural foods.
2.Eat only foods that will spoil, but eat them before they do.
3.Eat naturally-raised meat including fish, seafood, poultry, beef, lamb, game, organ meats and eggs.
4.Eat whole, naturally-produced milk products from pasture-fed cows, preferably raw and/or fermented, such as whole yogurt, cultured butter, whole cheeses and fresh and sour cream.
5.Use only traditional fats and oils including butter and other animal fats, extra virgin olive oil, expeller expressed sesame and flax oil and the tropical oils—coconut and palm.
6.Eat fresh fruits and vegetables, preferably organic, in salads and soups, or lightly steamed.
7.Use whole grains and nuts that have been prepared by soaking, sprouting or sour leavening to neutralize phytic acid and other anti-nutrients.
8.Include enzyme-enhanced lacto-fermented vegetables, fruits, beverages and condiments in your diet on a regular basis.
9.Prepare homemade meat stocks from the bones of chicken, beef, lamb or fish and use liberally in soups and sauces.
10.Use herb teas and coffee substitutes in moderation.
11.Use filtered water for cooking and drinking.
12.Use unrefined Celtic sea salt and a variety of herbs and spices for food interest and appetite stimulation.
13.Make your own salad dressing using raw vinegar, extra virgin olive oil and expeller expressed flax oil.
14.Use natural sweeteners in moderation, such as raw honey, maple syrup, dehydrated cane sugar juice and stevia powder.
15.Use only unpasteurized wine or beer in strict moderation with meals.
16.Cook only in stainless steel, cast iron, glass or good quality enamel.
17.Use only natural supplements.
18.Get plenty of sleep, exercise and natural light.
19.Think positive thoughts and minimize stress.
20.Practice forgiveness.
I probably will get a slaying for posting this but let's keep in mind folks that we all are working through our own ways to find health and wellness for our bodies. This may not work for you but it does work for me and others may find this info helpful 0 -
Do you honestly think a world population of 7.125 billion can achieve this?0
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Do you honestly think a world population of 7.125 billion can achieve this?
That's not the point *palm to forhead*. This works for me and many others I know, simply trying to provide information and a different point of view 0 -
Does that make you the chosen few then? I'd prefer to make a solution for everyone.Do you honestly think a world population of 7.125 billion can achieve this?
That's not the point *palm to forhead*. This works for me and many others I know, simply trying to provide information and a different point of view0 -
Does that make you the chosen few then? I'd prefer to make a solution for everyone.
There already is a solution for everyone. "Eat Less/Move More". No person "made" the solution, it just exists with how our bodies are made to work.
"Chosen Few.- It's how each person decides to carry that solution out that differs.
You sound hangry. Chill out. The OP was sharing what works for them. Not a big deal.0 -
Does that make you the chosen few then? I'd prefer to make a solution for everyone.Do you honestly think a world population of 7.125 billion can achieve this?
That's not the point *palm to forhead*. This works for me and many others I know, simply trying to provide information and a different point of view
If the chosen few include most of the traditional world cultures then yes, I am one, and proud to be so. These concepts are based off the lifestyles of a traditional diet. My family and friends in India follow this lifestyle without even knowing it. I have even been scolded by more than one Auntie for not soaking my rice and dals before cooking with them due to causing stomach upset. I have no reason to judge any one on their choices of what to put in their body. My aim is to open eyes and minds to other ways so they can use that information and make an educated decision on how they would choose to live their lives. Never go into something blindly and never stop learning.0 -
"Chosen Few.- It's how each person decides to carry that solution out that differs.
You sound hangry. Chill out. The OP was sharing what works for them. Not a big deal.
Exactly! Thank you!
I am not trying to convert anyone or preach what should or shouldn't be done. Why does everything have to turn into an argument. We are all here to share, support, and grow. At least that is why I am here!0 -
Number 2 and Number 14 are in contention. Honey never spoils, but it then tells you to use it as a sweetener. I don't know what to do here.
Rice also never expires. Should I eat it?
Also, salt never expires. Clearly, I shouldn't eat that either. Nothing bad every happens to people who never eat salt!0 -
Weston A Price is unsustainable going forward. I highly doubt your Indian relatives are eating pasture fed animals, and if they are, they are of a privileged caste.
It's fine to eat however you can, but WAPF holds values that are unrealistic for the majority of an ever increasing population.
Besides that, Weston A. Price was a crank dentist whose followers spun the idea of "the noble savage" into pseudoscience on a new level...highly regarded by alternative medicine (read: unproven), naturopaths, homeopaths, and assorted magical thinkers.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Weston_Price0 -
Do you honestly think a world population of 7.125 billion can achieve this?
Actually more people than you imagine and a great number of the world population actually naturally eat like this. I have lived the last 41 years in 16 different countries and all except Germany, the US and Japan were developing/emerging or 3rd world countries were pretty much eating like this ( about 80% with the other 20% still being free of chemically enhanced food ). Of course for citizens of industrialized countries and especially those of the US this is difficult to even imagine.
I did not know until about 20 minutes ago that this style of eating even has a name.......but I have enjoyed living like this for decades now and because of it never have had problems adjusting to a new country and new cuisine. Well, except in the US when I lived in the Northern Mid West....0 -
Weston A Price is unsustainable going forward. I highly doubt your Indian relatives are eating pasture fed animals, and if they are, they are of a privileged caste.
It's fine to eat however you can, but WAPF holds values that are unrealistic for the majority of an ever increasing population.
Besides that, Weston A. Price was a crank dentist whose followers spun the idea of "the noble savage" into pseudoscience on a new level...highly regarded by alternative medicine (read: unproven), naturopaths, homeopaths, and assorted magical thinkers.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Weston_Price
What you are saying makes no sense. " Pasture fed " is a US denomination. Why would India or any other country use a US denomination for their own local live stock for local consumption. India is a very bad example, because about 82% of the people are vegetarians anyway.......0 -
What you are saying makes no sense. " Pasture fed " is a US denomination. Why would India or any other country use a US denomination for their own local live stock for local consumption. India is a very bad example, because about 82% of the people are vegetarians anyway.......
I mentioned India originally because my family eats this way as you say, naturally. They are vegetarians but they do practice a traditional diet. I absolute agree with you that many cultures eat this way naturally and it can be sustainable simply because their food constructs just aren't set up the way ours are in the US.
Regardless, this was not a post to start a flame war. It was providing more information about a way of eating and lifestyle that many practice and enjoy.0 -
Does that make you the chosen few then? I'd prefer to make a solution for everyone.Do you honestly think a world population of 7.125 billion can achieve this?
That's not the point *palm to forhead*. This works for me and many others I know, simply trying to provide information and a different point of view
If the chosen few include most of the traditional world cultures then yes, I am one, and proud to be so. These concepts are based off the lifestyles of a traditional diet. My family and friends in India follow this lifestyle without even knowing it. I have even been scolded by more than one Auntie for not soaking my rice and dals before cooking with them due to causing stomach upset. I have no reason to judge any one on their choices of what to put in their body. My aim is to open eyes and minds to other ways so they can use that information and make an educated decision on how they would choose to live their lives. Never go into something blindly and never stop learning.
I am originally from Germany , but have for the last 40 or so years worked in Humanitarian Aid & Development mostly in 3rd world and non-developed countries and agree that most people on this planet eat the way you have described. Over time ( through no choice of my own, because circumstances dictated it) I started to adopt a more traditional way of using/eating and preparing food. I have an MA in Food Science and because of it I learned really fast that it makes a lot of sense to eat this way , it works for me and millions of other people.
However I don't broadcast my lifestyle much, because it is personal to me and because I got really tired really fast of dealing with those people who think their food is perfect because it's available in every supermarket and only costs 49 cents and cannot think beyond the borders of their narrowly defined world......at least as far as food and nutrition is concerned.0 -
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Number 2 and Number 14 are in contention. Honey never spoils, but it then tells you to use it as a sweetener. I don't know what to do here.
Rice also never expires. Should I eat it?
Also, salt never expires. Clearly, I shouldn't eat that either. Nothing bad every happens to people who never eat salt!
I am curious about this as well.0 -
WAPF!!!!!
That's the sound it makes when you hit someone upside the head!
WAPF!!!!!0 -
WAPF!!!!!
That's the sound it makes when you hit someone upside the head!
WAPF!!!!!
Yeah it does!
WAPF!!
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Super interested in this thread and where it's headed. Also, I'd like to see some answers to the questions posed above.
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Super interested in this thread and where it's headed. Also, I'd like to see some answers to the questions posed above.
How I'm feeling about my questions:
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WAPF!
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How I'm feeling about my questions:
I can't believe we've made it this far without a cat.0 -
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Cat WAPF!
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Looool.... This is the only thing I've felt bad about laughing at all day.Cat WAPF!0 -
Number 2 and Number 14 are in contention. Honey never spoils, but it then tells you to use it as a sweetener. I don't know what to do here.
Rice also never expires. Should I eat it?
Also, salt never expires. Clearly, I shouldn't eat that either. Nothing bad every happens to people who never eat salt!
Well, a little common sense should reign here............... I am not going to explain it either as it will be a waste of time beings you are clearly looking to try and argue.
If you stop and think about it................number 2 and 14 are not in contention with one another. That is where common sense comes into play.0 -
Weston A Price is unsustainable going forward. I highly doubt your Indian relatives are eating pasture fed animals, and if they are, they are of a privileged caste.
It's fine to eat however you can, but WAPF holds values that are unrealistic for the majority of an ever increasing population.
Besides that, Weston A. Price was a crank dentist whose followers spun the idea of "the noble savage" into pseudoscience on a new level...highly regarded by alternative medicine (read: unproven), naturopaths, homeopaths, and assorted magical thinkers.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Weston_Price
This comment is ignorant and offensive. I live with Inuit. I have eyes. It's "magical" that food affects health? I'm so tired of people like you.
So, manufacturing "foods" in factories from farms where cash crops (ie the least nutritious foods, but most subsidized) fertilized with petroleum products instead of a natural nutrient cycle is sustainable for an "ever increasing population"? According to my research and first hand experience, very wrong.
Crank dentist. So what do you suppose caused the sudden bone deformities and tooth decay after colonization? So the entire anthropological record is just "psuedoscience" too?0 -
Number 2 and Number 14 are in contention. Honey never spoils, but it then tells you to use it as a sweetener. I don't know what to do here.
Rice also never expires. Should I eat it?
Also, salt never expires. Clearly, I shouldn't eat that either. Nothing bad every happens to people who never eat salt!
Well, a little common sense should reign here...............since you can't seem to figure out what the OP was saying when they posted the guidelines, I am not going to explain it either as it will be a waste of time beings you are clearly looking to try and argue.
If you stop and think about it................number 2 and 14 are not in contention with one another. That is where common sense comes into play.
Except they are. If I say "avoid all meat" and later said "eat chicken" I am contradicting myself, even if I said they were "guidelines." Maybe they could have used common sense in creating these "guidelines" instead?0 -
Cat WAPF!
Well...
...that was mean.0 -
Cat WAPF!
Well...
...that was mean.
Cats are *kitten*.0 -
I would like to first say, I love these questions. This has become such a part of my daily life that I just do instead of thinking about why. This is stretching my brain a bit and I've been able to go back to some things that I learned long ago and have simply become habit for me. I will answer everything to the best of my ability and if I can't I will try to direct you to sources that can be more thorough. I am not, and do not claim to be, an expert on this topic and I try to learn more every day. I started this thread to find other folks in the community who practice a similar lifestyle in hopes to exchange knowledge. That said, here goes....
I can't speak to the dentistry end of this topic, only to my personal experience. You can follow this link to read more from Weston A. Price:
http://www.westonaprice.org/dentistry
This is also a book that many have used to find relief from tooth decay and gum disease. I have not read it but have put some practices from it into use through my own research and experimentation:
http://www.amazon.com/Cure-Tooth-Decay-Cavities-Nutrition-ebook/dp/B004GB0JIM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1385128280&sr=8-1&keywords=heal+tooth+decay
Early last year I visited the dentist for the first time in many years due to lack of insurance and admittedly some fear. I had horribly calcified teeth and advanced gum disease. I began a regime of visiting the dentist every three months as well as brushing 3 times a day with their recommended toothpaste and flossing after every meal. I didn't expect a quick recovery but when there had been little change after 15 months I began to look into alternative methods of healing my mouth. I began oil pulling to draw out the toxins in my gums and teeth. I made a remineralizing toothpaste composed from research on what our teeth need to be healthy, I began apply dilute essential oils to my floss and my gums before bed, and I began taking Butter oil/Fermented Cod Liver oil capsules. My hygienist was shocked after three months of this regime at the improvement. And most recently after 6 months of this regime I no longer have any watches on possible cavities and I do not have to return for 4 months instead of 3. I feel that using these "quack" methods have healed my gum disease far better than mainstream methods. Not advocating for anyone, simply providing my experience.
As far as the question of guideline 2 and 14 being contradictory. Yes on the face they are. As far as eating food that can spoil, this suggests staying away from highly processed and refined foods that have been created not to spoil through the use of bleaching, pasteurization, additives, preservatives etc. I certainly advocate eating grass-fed/finished meat when possible but there are weeks that I simply cannot afford to get out to my farm and purchase it. However, I won't then turn to TVP for my protein source. I would supplement my diet with sprouted, soaked, or soured grains and legumes for nourishment and protein.
I think this comparison heeds common sense. Of course rice, salt and honey will not spoil AND they are whole food items that can be beneficial when eaten in moderation. Simply stated, food should be eaten in it's most whole and natural state as opposed to eating an alternative item that is made up of a long ingredient list of simulated chemical processes. When I do buy packaged food, which can be a necessity at times, I look for an item with the shortest ingredient list and usually if I don't know what an ingredient is on that list, I will likely put that item back.
We can argue semantics over these guidelines all day. Everyone is going to find fault in something and intrinsically nothing is perfect. As I stated in my original post, I think suggesting what types of pots and pans I should use is pretty ridiculous. But I do find truth in many of the other guidelines. Again, these are guidelines and not hard fast rules for finding a return to traditional lifestyles.
I think Sally Fallon said it well in her book Nourishing Traditions:
"Each person's ideal diet is usually discovered through a combination of study, observation, and intuition, a process designed to replace that mysterious, infallible instinct that guided primitive [people] to the foods [they] needed to keep [them] healthy and strong."
As I have stated, I am not looking to convert anyone or preach. As I go through my own journey of study, observation, and intuition, I have found the concepts put forward by the Weston A. Price Foundation and subsequently Sally Fallon to be a good match for me. They are not perfect, I am not perfect, no one is perfect. But I do try to educate myself to the best of my ability and draw conclusions based on that education. And by education I mean reading as much as possible, speaking with those who are knowledgeable in a variety of topics, taking classes, reading sited sources.
For those of you who would like to know more about Dr Price and some of his research, you can follow this link to download his book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration:
http://butterbeliever.com/nutrition-and-physical-degeneration-free/0
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