fat vs sugar in certain foods

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  • BenjaminMFP88
    BenjaminMFP88 Posts: 660 Member
    So, while "Stearic acid was shown not to raise low-density-lipoprotein cholesterol relative to oleic acid, which is known to be neutral in its effects on cholesterol concentrations" it also "dietary stearic acid was shown to increase the risk of coronary heart disease more so than did palmitic, myristic, and lauric acids"


    Not sure I see the overall pros or cons stearic acid?
  • mike_ny
    mike_ny Posts: 351 Member
    That's easy. Fat is an essential nutrient. Sugar is not.

    By eating fat, you're supplying your body with things it actually needs. Whatever it doesn't use as a nutrient, it will burn at a less efficient rate than carbs (about 75%).

    Sugar is all empty calories and provides no nutrition itself. It is very efficiently converted to glucose and 100% of it is either burned or stored as fat.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    Sugar is all empty calories and provides no nutrition itself.

    Confirmed for not knowing what the word nutrition means.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food

    This ^^ Fats and carbs are not equal. The type of fat and type of carb matters.
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food

    This ^^ Fats and carbs are not equal. The type of fat and type of carb matters.

    lolwut?

    Oh please tell me about the bad fats and bad carbs in mah ice creamz.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food


    LOLwut?


    ETA: Whoops, sorry, mag...didn't see you there.
  • AllonsYtotheTardis
    AllonsYtotheTardis Posts: 16,947 Member
    I'm suddenly craving peanut-butter ice cream
  • kyleekay10
    kyleekay10 Posts: 1,812 Member
    I'm suddenly craving peanut-butter ice cream

    Come to my house. I always have some in the freezer.

    Had a bunch of Slow Churned Peanut Butter Cup ice cream last night. Mmmm.
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    I'm suddenly craving peanut-butter ice cream

    Come to my house. I always have some in the freezer.

    Had a bunch of Slow Churned Peanut Butter Cup ice cream last night. Mmmm.

    You need to try the Slow Churned Triple chocolate peanut butter sundae flavor. Trust me.
  • kyleekay10
    kyleekay10 Posts: 1,812 Member
    I'm suddenly craving peanut-butter ice cream

    Come to my house. I always have some in the freezer.

    Had a bunch of Slow Churned Peanut Butter Cup ice cream last night. Mmmm.

    You need to try the Slow Churned Triple chocolate peanut butter sundae flavor. Trust me.

    How did I not see that last time at the store??

    I'll pick some up this weekend.
  • Phoenix_Warrior
    Phoenix_Warrior Posts: 1,633 Member
    I'm suddenly craving peanut-butter ice cream

    Come to my house. I always have some in the freezer.

    Had a bunch of Slow Churned Peanut Butter Cup ice cream last night. Mmmm.

    You need to try the Slow Churned Triple chocolate peanut butter sundae flavor. Trust me.

    I've only got rocky road atm... this makes me almost brave enough to set foot in a grocery store right now.
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
    I'm gonna die!!!!








    When I'm 98. Or when I get hit by a bus. I'm pretty sure the ice cream won't be the culprit
  • mammamaurer
    mammamaurer Posts: 418 Member
    I'm suddenly craving peanut-butter ice cream


    me to... with carmel, whipped cream and a cherrie on top....:flowerforyou:
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food

    This ^^ Fats and carbs are not equal. The type of fat and type of carb matters.

    lolwut?

    Oh please tell me about the bad fats and bad carbs in mah ice creamz.

    www.spellzone.com

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  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    That's easy. Fat is an essential nutrient. Sugar is not.

    By eating fat, you're supplying your body with things it actually needs. Whatever it doesn't use as a nutrient, it will burn at a less efficient rate than carbs (about 75%).

    Sugar is all empty calories and provides no nutrition itself. It is very efficiently converted to glucose and 100% of it is either burned or stored as fat.

    How did that answer the question.

    Plus sugar = energy, which is nice.
  • kyleekay10
    kyleekay10 Posts: 1,812 Member


    Ok then.

    Why agree with the premise of ice cream having bad fats/carbs if you're not willing to provide an explanation?

    Doesn't make much sense to me, but whatever.
    I don't think it was a stupid question. What data? I was asking why you claim ice cream is full of "bad fats" & "bad carbs". You made the claim, not I.

    Also this.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    So, while "Stearic acid was shown not to raise low-density-lipoprotein cholesterol relative to oleic acid, which is known to be neutral in its effects on cholesterol concentrations" it also "dietary stearic acid was shown to increase the risk of coronary heart disease more so than did palmitic, myristic, and lauric acids"


    Not sure I see the overall pros or cons stearic acid?

    You were implying it was bad.
  • blgerig
    blgerig Posts: 174 Member
    The book Salt, Sugar, Fat is a very interesting look at processed foods and the processed food industry and how salt, sugar and fat are adjusted in foods to get certain tastes.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food

    This ^^ Fats and carbs are not equal. The type of fat and type of carb matters.

    lolwut?

    Oh please tell me about the bad fats and bad carbs in mah ice creamz.


    You did not seem to have an issue with the first post in the quote - and that had no context (and was actually wrong). Why get so aggressive with the later question?
  • Cindyinpg
    Cindyinpg Posts: 3,902 Member
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    In for talk about how awesome ice cream is.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food

    This ^^ Fats and carbs are not equal. The type of fat and type of carb matters.

    lolwut?

    Oh please tell me about the bad fats and bad carbs in mah ice creamz.



    You did not seem to have an issue with the first post in the quote - and that had no context (and was actually wrong). Why get so aggressive with the later question?

    Saying the type of fat and carbs matter doesn't need context. Asking me to critique a specific ice cream without identifying the ice cream is silly. A grown mad spelling like a child is sad.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food

    This ^^ Fats and carbs are not equal. The type of fat and type of carb matters.

    lolwut?

    Oh please tell me about the bad fats and bad carbs in mah ice creamz.



    I don't think it was a stupid question. What data? I was asking why you claim ice cream is full of "bad fats" & "bad carbs". You made the claim, not I.

    You said "mah ice creamz", which I translated as "my ice cream". Since there are a variety of ice creams available, if my translation was correct, I'd need to know to which you refer.

    But, as a general question, I will leave you with this (cuz I'm about to log off for now), because these people study all the evidence to form an opinion.

    "Foods high in bad fats include red meat, butter, cheese, and ice cream, as well as processed foods made with trans fat from partially hydrogenated oil" (emphasis mine)
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food

    This ^^ Fats and carbs are not equal. The type of fat and type of carb matters.

    lolwut?

    Oh please tell me about the bad fats and bad carbs in mah ice creamz.



    You did not seem to have an issue with the first post in the quote - and that had no context (and was actually wrong). Why get so aggressive with the later question?

    Saying the type of fat and carbs matter doesn't need context. Asking me to critique a specific ice cream without identifying the ice cream is silly. A grown mad spelling like a child is sad.

    Your logic is amazing. You don't need context to agree with a blanket statement, but you do to defend your position on said agreement? The fact of the matter is you cannot support your claim and attempt as usual to deflect the conversation.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food

    This ^^ Fats and carbs are not equal. The type of fat and type of carb matters.

    lolwut?

    Oh please tell me about the bad fats and bad carbs in mah ice creamz.


    You did not seem to have an issue with the first post in the quote - and that had no context (and was actually wrong). Why get so aggressive with the later question?

    Saying the type of fat and carbs matter doesn't need context. Asking me to critique a specific ice cream without identifying the ice cream is silly. A grown mad spelling like a child is sad.

    So, this statement was fine

    "Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs"

    but asking what was bad was not?

    How on earth does that logic work?

    Also, it's against the CG to pull someone up about their spelling (also, it's internet lingo in any event).
  • AllonsYtotheTardis
    AllonsYtotheTardis Posts: 16,947 Member
    Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food

    This ^^ Fats and carbs are not equal. The type of fat and type of carb matters.

    lolwut?

    Oh please tell me about the bad fats and bad carbs in mah ice creamz.



    I don't think it was a stupid question. What data? I was asking why you claim ice cream is full of "bad fats" & "bad carbs". You made the claim, not I.

    You said "mah ice creamz", which I translated as "my ice cream". Since there are a variety of ice creams available, if my translation was correct, I'd need to know to which you refer.

    But, as a general question, I will leave you with this (cuz I'm about to log off for now), because these people study all the evidence to form an opinion.

    "Foods high in bad fats include red meat, butter, cheese, and ice cream, as well as processed foods made with trans fat from partially hydrogenated oil" (emphasis mine)
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/

    so, then I guess you've never seen peanut butter containing hydrogenated oil
  • kyleekay10
    kyleekay10 Posts: 1,812 Member
    Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food

    This ^^ Fats and carbs are not equal. The type of fat and type of carb matters.

    lolwut?

    Oh please tell me about the bad fats and bad carbs in mah ice creamz.

    I don't think it was a stupid question. What data? I was asking why you claim ice cream is full of "bad fats" & "bad carbs". You made the claim, not I.

    You said "mah ice creamz", which I translated as "my ice cream". Since there are a variety of ice creams available, if my translation was correct, I'd need to know to which you refer.

    But, as a general question, I will leave you with this (cuz I'm about to log off for now), because these people study all the evidence to form an opinion.

    "Foods high in bad fats include red meat, butter, cheese, and ice cream, as well as processed foods made with trans fat from partially hydrogenated oil" (emphasis mine)
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/

    So, since the article singles out Dairy in general, would you suggest to someone that they should avoid milk because of the "bad fat"?

    Doubtful.

    Ice cream gets a bad rap because people like to demonize things.
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    That's easy. Fat is an essential nutrient. Sugar is not.

    By eating fat, you're supplying your body with things it actually needs. Whatever it doesn't use as a nutrient, it will burn at a less efficient rate than carbs (about 75%).

    Sugar is all empty calories and provides no nutrition itself. It is very efficiently converted to glucose and 100%of it is either burned or stored as fat.

    Wow. A substance that is efficiently converted into energy by the body? Well, who in the world would ever have use for something like that? Yep, definitely no nutrition value there.
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    It completely depends on the rest of the day and what a person's current goals are.
  • extra_medium
    extra_medium Posts: 1,525 Member
    Typically food like this will rate very low on a fullness factor and very high on the glycemix index. There's nothing redemable about this mix that I can think of.


    the awesome taste
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Typically food like this will rate very low on a fullness factor and very high on the glycemix index. There's nothing redemable about this mix that I can think of.


    the awesome taste

    ^^yep. Plus it has a lower GI than watermelon, apples, quinoa, sweet potatoes, peas......

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