fat vs sugar in certain foods
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Sugar is almost NEVER stored as fat. It's buerned through as energy way too quickly for that. You'd need to average about 700 grams of sugar a day in order to eat enough of it to be converted to fat.That's easy. Fat is an essential nutrient. Sugar is not.
By eating fat, you're supplying your body with things it actually needs. Whatever it doesn't use as a nutrient, it will burn at a less efficient rate than carbs (about 75%).
Sugar is all empty calories and provides no nutrition itself. It is very efficiently converted to glucose and 100% of it is either burned or stored as fat.0 -
fat cause cheese
although i might give that up if i could drink pepsi all day long0 -
Sugar is almost NEVER stored as fat. It's buerned through as energy way too quickly for that. You'd need to average about 700 grams of sugar a day in order to eat enough of it to be converted to fat.That's easy. Fat is an essential nutrient. Sugar is not.
By eating fat, you're supplying your body with things it actually needs. Whatever it doesn't use as a nutrient, it will burn at a less efficient rate than carbs (about 75%).
Sugar is all empty calories and provides no nutrition itself. It is very efficiently converted to glucose and 100% of it is either burned or stored as fat.
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It will be an eye opener to you the day you stop thinking in terms of "good" foods and "bad" ones. It is only how they fit into your day, cal goals, nutritional needs. Good luck on your journey :flowerforyou: .0
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Again we wonder why they're so many people with eating disorders.0
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Melt the peanut butter and pour it over the ice cream. Keep your servings under or at your calorie goal and enjoy!
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I have a small portion of my calories set for discretionary choices, i.e. emotionally satisfying food. If the main part of my plan includes lean protein, veggie, fruit, whole grain, low fat dairy and I see that my micronutrients are in good shape, if I have calories left over to enjoy, I don't think it makes any difference if I choose ice cream, peanut butter, chocolate, or whatever I want. I'm not going to worry about the nutritional value of those items.
People make this way too difficult.0 -
If you Had to choose between more sugar and more fat in certain "bad" foods like ice cream and peanutbutter which would be less damaging?
Not a choice for me, since I don't eat either. But if I had to chose between a can of smoked oysters in olive oil and something with a lot of sugar, I would always chose the oysters ( or sardines, or herring or whatever smoked fish ).0 -
If you Had to choose between more sugar and more fat in certain "bad" foods like ice cream and peanutbutter which would be less damaging?
I would choose more fat.
Because I find it far more filling than sugar and I don't get a 'crash' 20mins after eating it.0 -
Here's my logic:
Sugar = bad
Natural fats = good
Protein = good
Therefore, given the following equations:
Ice cream = fat + sugar = good + bad ==> quasi bad
Peanut butter = fat + protein = good + good ==> good
Caveat: assuming that we are talking about plain vanilla REAL ice cream and REAL peanut butter without the high fructose corn syrup.0 -
Here's my logic:
Sugar = bad
Natural fats = good
Protein = good
Therefore, given the following equations:
Ice cream = fat + sugar = good + bad ==> quasi bad
Peanut butter = fat + protein = good + good ==> good
Caveat: assuming that we are talking about plain vanilla REAL ice cream and REAL peanut butter without the high fructose corn syrup.
how did this nonsense about sugar being bad get started?
is it Taubes? is it all because of that jackwagon??
or perhaps Atkins?
sugar is a carb. it's a ready energy source. that's all. nothing more. your body loves carbs because it can turn them into fuel pretty easily. how is that bad?0 -
Sugar is not bad, so your logic is flawed. Also, peanut butter contains sugar.Here's my logic:
Sugar = bad
Natural fats = good
Protein = good
Therefore, given the following equations:
Ice cream = fat + sugar = good + bad ==> quasi bad
Peanut butter = fat + protein = good + good ==> good
Caveat: assuming that we are talking about plain vanilla REAL ice cream and REAL peanut butter without the high fructose corn syrup.0 -
I blame Taubes and Lustig.Here's my logic:
Sugar = bad
Natural fats = good
Protein = good
Therefore, given the following equations:
Ice cream = fat + sugar = good + bad ==> quasi bad
Peanut butter = fat + protein = good + good ==> good
Caveat: assuming that we are talking about plain vanilla REAL ice cream and REAL peanut butter without the high fructose corn syrup.
how did this nonsense about sugar being bad get started?
is it Taubes? is it all because of that jackwagon??
or perhaps Atkins?
sugar is a carb. it's a ready energy source. that's all. nothing more. your body loves carbs because it can turn them into fuel pretty easily. how is that bad?0 -
Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food
This ^^ Fats and carbs are not equal. The type of fat and type of carb matters.
lolwut?
Oh please tell me about the bad fats and bad carbs in mah ice creamz.
You did not seem to have an issue with the first post in the quote - and that had no context (and was actually wrong). Why get so aggressive with the later question?
Saying the type of fat and carbs matter doesn't need context. Asking me to critique a specific ice cream without identifying the ice cream is silly. A grown mad spelling like a child is sad.
Your logic is amazing. You don't need context to agree with a blanket statement, but you do to defend your position on said agreement? The fact of the matter is you cannot support your claim and attempt as usual to deflect the conversation.
Just highlighting to see if there is a response to this excellent post in the pages I haven't read yet.0 -
Here's my logic:
Sugar = bad
Natural fats = good
Protein = good
Therefore, given the following equations:
Ice cream = fat + sugar = good + bad ==> quasi bad
Peanut butter = fat + protein = good + good ==> good
Caveat: assuming that we are talking about plain vanilla REAL ice cream and REAL peanut butter without the high fructose corn syrup.
Sugar is not bad. Also ice cream has more protein than peanut butter for the calories. At least mine does.0 -
Dear Lord, I've created a monster in the thread. I attempted to make a somewhat simplistic response based on my understandings of anatomy/chemistry. Which by the way, no one has actually proven otherwise outside of their own "you're wrong" style of response. I should have realized that all the forum demons would surface to tout supreme understanding.
My original post was:
"Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food"
This is my understanding, feel free to prove me wrong. If you do, do more so with explination and/or sourcing.
--Simple Carb - Simple carbs are short chained meaning your body converts them to energy quickly
--Complex Carb - Complex carbs are considered to be long chain. Your body requires longer amounts of time to digest this food. As an added bonus, your body being in a state of this type of digestion can boost caloric "burning" by boosting what is called TEF (this is one of the factors that all the TDEE lovers should know).
--"Healthy" Fats - These are short chained fatty acids which absorb straight into the blood via capilaries then travel to the Portal vein just as all other nutrients. These can be used to help fuel the body, and can be converted to ATP (Which every weightlifter should know about)
--"Nonhealthy" Fats -- These are longer chained fatty acids which will absorb into the fatty cells in the intestine villi where it reassemples into a triglyceride. These fats take longer to digest, and provide more energy, but at the cost of the increased risk of cholestoral "tampering". Not sure what to call that.
I'm aware that what I said was incomplete, and was rather a blanket statement at best (this is bad vs this is good). However, what I should have specified was the Ice Cream often contains nutrients that are not optimal for the human body. Peanut Butter provides more general nutrition, and will often times provide the body with more sustained energy. Breaking this down further to simply Sugar vs Fat. Neither is bad. While sugar does provide the body with much needed energy, it does little for actual nutrition, and little outside of brief energy (This is taking sugar by itself). However, both "bad" and "good" fats also provide energy to the body in different ways and contain nutrients that the body needs for optimal performance.
Ultimately, too much is determined by the individuals diet outside of this simple choice. I am clearly only offering my opinion on the matter.0 -
^^people have provided explanations, you are just not willing to listen to them.0
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Simple carb are found in fruit and complex carbs are found in wonder bread and pop tarts. Short chain fats are saturated, longer are mono with the longest being poly........Basically your saying fruit is bad and saturated fat is what we should be consuming. Those short chain fatty acids that convert to ATP is lauric Acid as saturated as you can get.Dear Lord, I've created a monster in the thread. I attempted to make a somewhat simplistic response based on my understandings of anatomy/chemistry. Which by the way, no one has actually proven otherwise outside of their own "you're wrong" style of response. I should have realized that all the forum demons would surface to tout supreme understanding.
My original post was:
"Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food"
This is my understanding, feel free to prove me wrong. If you do, do more so with explination and/or sourcing.
--Simple Carb - Simple carbs are short chained meaning your body converts them to energy quickly
--Complex Carb - Complex carbs are considered to be long chain. Your body requires longer amounts of time to digest this food. As an added bonus, your body being in a state of this type of digestion can boost caloric "burning" by boosting what is called TEF (this is one of the factors that all the TDEE lovers should know).
--"Healthy" Fats - These are short chained fatty acids which absorb straight into the blood via capilaries then travel to the Portal vein just as all other nutrients. These can be used to help fuel the body, and can be converted to ATP (Which every weightlifter should know about)
--"Nonhealthy" Fats -- These are longer chained fatty acids which will absorb into the fatty cells in the intestine villi where it reassemples into a triglyceride. These fats take longer to digest, and provide more energy, but at the cost of the increased risk of cholestoral "tampering". Not sure what to call that.
I'm aware that what I said was incomplete, and was rather a blanket statement at best (this is bad vs this is good). However, what I should have specified was the Ice Cream often contains nutrients that are not optimal for the human body. Peanut Butter provides more general nutrition, and will often times provide the body with more sustained energy. Breaking this down further to simply Sugar vs Fat. Neither is bad. While sugar does provide the body with much needed energy, it does little for actual nutrition, and little outside of brief energy (This is taking sugar by itself). However, both "bad" and "good" fats also provide energy to the body in different ways and contain nutrients that the body needs for optimal performance.
Ultimately, too much is determined by the individuals diet outside of this simple choice. I am clearly only offering my opinion on the matter.0 -
How did they prove that? It's not clear as are most studies of this design.....these types of studies actually never show causation. I guess the Stearic acid in dark chocolate that have been touted for years as healthful is flawed.........anyway, if you read more than one study you;ll soon see that when stearic acid is consumed in food has a totally different effect than in isolation. Stearic acid in a vacuum can show deleterious effects but when consumed in food stearic acid is always found with palmitic which negates those effects. Synergy.So, while "Stearic acid was shown not to raise low-density-lipoprotein cholesterol relative to oleic acid, which is known to be neutral in its effects on cholesterol concentrations" it also "dietary stearic acid was shown to increase the risk of coronary heart disease more so than did palmitic, myristic, and lauric acids"
Not sure I see the overall pros or cons stearic acid?
This meta analysis study shows that replacing saturated fat with carbs increases CVD risks. Crazy I know.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract0 -
Well, Ice Cream is full of bad fats, and bad carbs. Peanut Butter is full of healthy fats and healthy carbs..... depends entirely on the food
This ^^ Fats and carbs are not equal. The type of fat and type of carb matters.
lolwut?
Oh please tell me about the bad fats and bad carbs in mah ice creamz.
You did not seem to have an issue with the first post in the quote - and that had no context (and was actually wrong). Why get so aggressive with the later question?
Saying the type of fat and carbs matter doesn't need context. Asking me to critique a specific ice cream without identifying the ice cream is silly. A grown mad spelling like a child is sad.
Your logic is amazing. You don't need context to agree with a blanket statement, but you do to defend your position on said agreement? The fact of the matter is you cannot support your claim and attempt as usual to deflect the conversation.
If by amazing, you mean amazingly dopey, I'm with ya brother!0 -
Sugar is almost NEVER stored as fat. It's buerned through as energy way too quickly for that. You'd need to average about 700 grams of sugar a day in order to eat enough of it to be converted to fat.That's easy. Fat is an essential nutrient. Sugar is not.
By eating fat, you're supplying your body with things it actually needs. Whatever it doesn't use as a nutrient, it will burn at a less efficient rate than carbs (about 75%).
Sugar is all empty calories and provides no nutrition itself. It is very efficiently converted to glucose and 100% of it is either burned or stored as fat.
Sugar that isn't burned gets stored as fat. I think that's pretty accurate. Most other macros that aren't burned also get stored as fat, although some do manage to get excreted such as protein in urine, and fat and fiber in stools. Excreted sugar is not normal and often indicates serious health issues.
I agree that sugar is one of the first things the body would burn along with other carbs, alcohol, and medium chain triglycerides (MCTs). Since we're talking desserts here, though, exceeding what one can burn in sugar, alcohol, and other carbs is not that far fetched. There are almost 40 grams of sugar in one can of cola and the typical American diet has at least 300 grams of carbs in bread, pasta, & potatoes alone, so people can be already quite high in their carb intake before even eating dessert.0 -
That's easy. Fat is an essential nutrient. Sugar is not.
By eating fat, you're supplying your body with things it actually needs. Whatever it doesn't use as a nutrient, it will burn at a less efficient rate than carbs (about 75%).
Sugar is all empty calories and provides no nutrition itself. It is very efficiently converted to glucose and 100%of it is either burned or stored as fat.
Wow. A substance that is efficiently converted into energy by the body? Well, who in the world would ever have use for something like that? Yep, definitely no nutrition value there.
Alcohol is just as nutritious as sugar. They both supply energy, but not much of anything else by themselves. There are essential proteins, essential fats, and essential vitamins and minerals the body must have as nutrients. There are no essential carbs. The body can do quite well on very little of them per day. It can actually run on no carbs at all if it has to.0 -
Sugar is almost NEVER stored as fat. It's buerned through as energy way too quickly for that. You'd need to average about 700 grams of sugar a day in order to eat enough of it to be converted to fat.That's easy. Fat is an essential nutrient. Sugar is not.
By eating fat, you're supplying your body with things it actually needs. Whatever it doesn't use as a nutrient, it will burn at a less efficient rate than carbs (about 75%).
Sugar is all empty calories and provides no nutrition itself. It is very efficiently converted to glucose and 100% of it is either burned or stored as fat.
Sugar that isn't burned gets stored as fat. I think that's pretty accurate. Most other macros that aren't burned also get stored as fat, although some do manage to get excreted such as protein in urine, and fat and fiber in stools. Excreted sugar is not normal and often indicates serious health issues.
I agree that sugar is one of the first things the body would burn along with other carbs, alcohol, and medium chain triglycerides (MCTs). Since we're talking desserts here, though, exceeding what one can burn in sugar, alcohol, and other carbs is not that far fetched. There are almost 40 grams of sugar in one can of cola and the typical American diet has at least 300 grams of carbs in bread, pasta, & potatoes alone, so people can be already quite high in their carb intake before even eating dessert.
De novo lipogensis is pretty hard to get to.
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That's easy. Fat is an essential nutrient. Sugar is not.
By eating fat, you're supplying your body with things it actually needs. Whatever it doesn't use as a nutrient, it will burn at a less efficient rate than carbs (about 75%).
Sugar is all empty calories and provides no nutrition itself. It is very efficiently converted to glucose and 100%of it is either burned or stored as fat.
Wow. A substance that is efficiently converted into energy by the body? Well, who in the world would ever have use for something like that? Yep, definitely no nutrition value there.
Alcohol is just as nutritious as sugar. They both supply energy, but not much of anything else by themselves. There are essential proteins, essential fats, and essential vitamins and minerals the body must have as nutrients. There are no essential carbs. The body can do quite well on very little of them per day. It can actually run on no carbs at all if it has to.
True, but this sounds more like a survival mechanism than a recipe for optimal health and functionality.0 -
That's easy. Fat is an essential nutrient. Sugar is not.
By eating fat, you're supplying your body with things it actually needs. Whatever it doesn't use as a nutrient, it will burn at a less efficient rate than carbs (about 75%).
Sugar is all empty calories and provides no nutrition itself. It is very efficiently converted to glucose and 100%of it is either burned or stored as fat.
Wow. A substance that is efficiently converted into energy by the body? Well, who in the world would ever have use for something like that? Yep, definitely no nutrition value there.
Alcohol is just as nutritious as sugar. They both supply energy, but not much of anything else by themselves. There are essential proteins, essential fats, and essential vitamins and minerals the body must have as nutrients. There are no essential carbs. The body can do quite well on very little of them per day. It can actually run on no carbs at all if it has to.
biochemically speaking... sure. that's probably true.
however, trying running a 10K after having consumed zero carbs for a few days prior and see how you feel halfway through it.0 -
That's easy. Fat is an essential nutrient. Sugar is not.
By eating fat, you're supplying your body with things it actually needs. Whatever it doesn't use as a nutrient, it will burn at a less efficient rate than carbs (about 75%).
Sugar is all empty calories and provides no nutrition itself. It is very efficiently converted to glucose and 100%of it is either burned or stored as fat.
Wow. A substance that is efficiently converted into energy by the body? Well, who in the world would ever have use for something like that? Yep, definitely no nutrition value there.
Alcohol is just as nutritious as sugar. They both supply energy, but not much of anything else by themselves. There are essential proteins, essential fats, and essential vitamins and minerals the body must have as nutrients. There are no essential carbs. The body can do quite well on very little of them per day. It can actually run on no carbs at all if it has to.
IN for suboptimal fuel sources!
Brb, gonna go fill my prius with rubbing alcohol0
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