You reared your ugly face
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So basically, eating more calories didn't work. Hmmm. Gosh, I wonder what it is then? :huh:
It's baffling. How can the advice for someone trying to lose weight be the EXACT SAME ADVICE they'd get if they were trying to gain weight?
Ridiculous.
Sabatogeurs gonna sabotage.0 -
Also, HRMs are not that accurate. Cut them all by half.
Some heart rate monitors may not be accurate, especially if they are some of the cheaper one.. The Polar F7 I have is accurate. I know this because of my results.
That's silly to cut exercise calories in half unless you are absolutely certain your heart rate monitor is inaccurate.
It's accurate for you so it is accurate for the entire population. That's an interesting argument. Flawed. But interesting. Do some research on how HRMs calculate calories burned.
Did I say that? :laugh: No.
I said: some heart rate monitors might not be accurate, but I've found mine to be accurate due to the results.. Some brands tend to render more accuracy then others.
Um. Wow. The fact that you don't understand and/or see the flaw speaks volumes.
Cut it out.
Okay, let me help you then. You've taken your own personal results and applied them to the population in general. The poster above is spot on and there are other examples.
Thank you for clarifying, but I said the Polar F7 that I have is accurate. I only know this because of my results. That does not mean all HRMs are accurate, or even inaccurate, and that does not mean that every Polar F7 is accurate.
Of course my results don't apply to an entire population, and this is not even what I was trying to get across.
You find out if your HRM is accurate via the results you get. Are you maintaing? Are you losing too fast or slow according to your weight loss goals? Are you gaining weight?
Yes, the poster above gave great examples, which I appreciated.
FFS. It's not that the HRM that you have is accurate. It's that it is accurate for you.
Blah.
Splitting hairs. Thanks for the clarification. .
Yea. Not splitting hairs at all. But again, you clearly don't understand.
Good luck with all your health and fitness goals. :flowerforyou:
ETA: And I should add that "it's accurate for you for the specific exercise for which you're using it. " Put in the vernacular, even a broken clock is accurate twice a day.0 -
Virtually all HRMs are accurate at measuring heart rate.
Virtually no HRMs are particularly accurate at guessing (because that's what they do - guess - not measure) calories burned, unless they have been properly calibrated to the specific individual, or unless you already fit a specific fitness profile and are doing a specific type of exercise.
And no, inputting age and weight into a watch does not constitute "properly calibrated".0 -
I agree that HRMs mis-estimate and they are just using averages to make an educated guess.
But I see SLLRunner's point, that her's seems accurate for her. I feel the same way about my Fitbit. But I think you need to qualify that either it's accurate for me or else it mis-estimates in an equal and opposite direction as I mis-estimate my food. If we're splitting hairs.
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Virtually all HRMs are accurate at measuring heart rate.
Virtually no HRMs are particularly accurate at guessing (because that's what they do - guess - not measure) calories burned, unless they have been properly calibrated to the specific individual, or unless you already fit a specific fitness profile and are doing a specific type of exercise.
And no, inputting age and weight into a watch does not constitute "properly calibrated".
Thank you.
i was told by more than one person if you are going to get a heart rate monitor get one with a chest strap, which measures individual heart rate and calibrates your fitness profile according to this. This is why I got one with a chest strap as opposed to a heart rate monitor where you just put input your data into the watch and you're ready to go.
The specific brand was also recommended by fitness professionals, and I also did my own research.0 -
So op you have been told to eat more, eat less, eat more then eat less, mix things up a bit, ignore exercise calories, only eat half back, minus a certain percent of TDEE, ignore bmr calculators, avoid starvation mode
write all these down put them in a bag a pick one out and maybe buy a rabbit's foot for good luck
The correct one was eat less. OP, I know you said you plateaued when you were eating 1600 calories/day, but you're getting between 1800 and 1900 now and stalled. You obviously need to eat less.
Just a shot in the dark here-- but do you have a "cheat day" once a week? There's nothing wrong with it-- but if you've already got a moderate or marginal calorie deficit, it's easy as pie (literally) to wipe it out by going over on your calorie limit once in awhile.
I ask because I notice you tend to have partially filled-out diary entries on weekends, which is what I always do when I decide to say 'screw it' for a day, lmao.
The only days I have cheated this month at all were thanksgiving, and today. otherwise, I just avoid temptation, im not a dog, so I dont reward myself with food. Ill reward myself with tattoos or something later. aside of this hectic week, no I dont have cheat days. I dont like feeling guilty after them so I dont do them.0 -
I have been about 197 for the last month...my body fat percentage went from 36.6% to 36.5%.
IMO you are significantly under-estimating your BF %. This in turn would likely mean overestimating BMR and TDEE, by as much as 400 calories.
My BF% is 36.6 - and we checked that 2 days ago, so thats as accurate as i can give you.0 -
lol I left to see family and came back to a ton of messages and comments on here. Its not my intention to cause people to bicker, and honestly if my lack of information is laughable thats fine - I just ended up frustrated.
So I will cut back to 1600 calories a day, I will continue burning about 300-400 calories 4 days a week and about 200-300 on my cardio only days. I will still have 1 day of rest.
I did not know you could eat below your BMR, i had posted a thread in the past and the majority of the advice was to stop eating below it, but I read several topics in the group that was posted here earlier, and I will use that info wisely. I'm new to this... I have never been overweight before, I was always very fit since I was in the military, so this is new to me since being out of the military.
I was told by my trainer to take 2 days off - so yesterday and today in my food log are not filled out. he told me to use them as relax and cheat days because he thought I over trained and that I needed to rest until monday (tomorrow) when we start fresh again. He doesnt really feel like my eating is a problem, even with the stall in loss, which is why I ended up here asking your opinions. Thanks again everyone - I will adjust my calorie settings now and start those fresh tomorrow morning.0 -
I have been about 197 for the last month...my body fat percentage went from 36.6% to 36.5%.
IMO you are significantly under-estimating your BF %. This in turn would likely mean overestimating BMR and TDEE, by as much as 400 calories.
My BF% is 36.6 - and we checked that 2 days ago, so thats as accurate as i can give you.
If that were true, you have more lean body mass than a typical male.
That number is not believable, sorry. I would add 10 to it, and then use Katch-McCardle to calculate your BMR. This will give you a number 300-400 calories lower than what you are currently using, which not coincidentally, is consistent with what you are (not) experiencing weight loss wise.0 -
I have been about 197 for the last month...my body fat percentage went from 36.6% to 36.5%.
IMO you are significantly under-estimating your BF %. This in turn would likely mean overestimating BMR and TDEE, by as much as 400 calories.
My BF% is 36.6 - and we checked that 2 days ago, so thats as accurate as i can give you.
If that were true, you have more lean body mass than a typical male.
That number is not believable, sorry. I would add 10 to it, and then use Katch-McCardle to calculate your BMR. This will give you a number 300-400 calories lower than what you are currently using, which not coincidentally, is consistent with what you are (not) experiencing weight loss wise.
A typical male has less than 125 lbs of lean mass?
Not at 200 lbs, I wouldn't think? It just sounds so low.0 -
I have been about 197 for the last month...my body fat percentage went from 36.6% to 36.5%.
IMO you are significantly under-estimating your BF %. This in turn would likely mean overestimating BMR and TDEE, by as much as 400 calories.
My BF% is 36.6 - and we checked that 2 days ago, so thats as accurate as i can give you.
If that were true, you have more lean body mass than a typical male.
That number is not believable, sorry. I would add 10 to it, and then use Katch-McCardle to calculate your BMR. This will give you a number 300-400 calories lower than what you are currently using, which not coincidentally, is consistent with what you are (not) experiencing weight loss wise.
A typical male has less than 125 lbs of lean mass?
Not at 200 lbs, I wouldn't think? It just sounds so low.
A typical healthy male is 5'10", 160 pounds. At 20% BF that leaves 128 pounds of lean mass.
So yes...0 -
I have been about 197 for the last month...my body fat percentage went from 36.6% to 36.5%.
IMO you are significantly under-estimating your BF %. This in turn would likely mean overestimating BMR and TDEE, by as much as 400 calories.
My BF% is 36.6 - and we checked that 2 days ago, so thats as accurate as i can give you.
If that were true, you have more lean body mass than a typical male.
That number is not believable, sorry. I would add 10 to it, and then use Katch-McCardle to calculate your BMR. This will give you a number 300-400 calories lower than what you are currently using, which not coincidentally, is consistent with what you are (not) experiencing weight loss wise.
Bump because now I'm here to learn.0 -
I have been about 197 for the last month...my body fat percentage went from 36.6% to 36.5%.
IMO you are significantly under-estimating your BF %. This in turn would likely mean overestimating BMR and TDEE, by as much as 400 calories.
My BF% is 36.6 - and we checked that 2 days ago, so thats as accurate as i can give you.
If that were true, you have more lean body mass than a typical male.
That number is not believable, sorry. I would add 10 to it, and then use Katch-McCardle to calculate your BMR. This will give you a number 300-400 calories lower than what you are currently using, which not coincidentally, is consistent with what you are (not) experiencing weight loss wise.
A typical male has less than 125 lbs of lean mass?
Not at 200 lbs, I wouldn't think? It just sounds so low.
A typical healthy male is 5'10", 160 pounds. At 20% BF that leaves 128 pounds of lean mass.
So yes...
That example seems true, yeah.0 -
Assuming you've ruled out any medication that could effect your metabolism; then if your weight has been static for a month you are eating at maintenance level for your current weight.
You need to eat less calories to get the scales moving favourably again.0 -
I have been about 197 for the last month...my body fat percentage went from 36.6% to 36.5%.
IMO you are significantly under-estimating your BF %. This in turn would likely mean overestimating BMR and TDEE, by as much as 400 calories.
My BF% is 36.6 - and we checked that 2 days ago, so thats as accurate as i can give you.
If that were true, you have more lean body mass than a typical male.
That number is not believable, sorry. I would add 10 to it, and then use Katch-McCardle to calculate your BMR. This will give you a number 300-400 calories lower than what you are currently using, which not coincidentally, is consistent with what you are (not) experiencing weight loss wise.
A typical male has less than 125 lbs of lean mass?
Not at 200 lbs, I wouldn't think? It just sounds so low.
A typical healthy male is 5'10", 160 pounds. At 20% BF that leaves 128 pounds of lean mass.
So yes...
That example seems true, yeah.
I am 5'6" - 5'7" tall. I was in the military for several years with a 19%Bf - it has been 4 years since I left the military. Even at 19%BF when I was in the military, I weighed around 147-150.
We checked my BF% AGAIN today - since you clearly want me to be equal to an elephant - and it is 36.3, which is down from 36.5. I dont know why you think that all women are nothing but skin, fat, and bones. Youre saying Its not possible to have decent muscle on my body?0 -
A typical healthy male is 5'10", 160 pounds. At 20% BF that leaves 128 pounds of lean mass.
So yes...
This site says the typical male is 5'9", 196 lbs. with a 40" waist. The second link estimates his BF% (at age 35) as 58%. So 80 lbs. of LBM? I guess your's was for the typical 'healthy' male. Does he really have 50% more LBM than his fat buddy who weighs 36 lbs. more? Yowza.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/bodymeas.htm
http://www.healthyforms.com/helpful-tools/body-fat-percentage.php0 -
I have been about 197 for the last month...my body fat percentage went from 36.6% to 36.5%.
IMO you are significantly under-estimating your BF %. This in turn would likely mean overestimating BMR and TDEE, by as much as 400 calories.
My BF% is 36.6 - and we checked that 2 days ago, so thats as accurate as i can give you.
If that were true, you have more lean body mass than a typical male.
That number is not believable, sorry. I would add 10 to it, and then use Katch-McCardle to calculate your BMR. This will give you a number 300-400 calories lower than what you are currently using, which not coincidentally, is consistent with what you are (not) experiencing weight loss wise.
A typical male has less than 125 lbs of lean mass?
Not at 200 lbs, I wouldn't think? It just sounds so low.
A typical healthy male is 5'10", 160 pounds. At 20% BF that leaves 128 pounds of lean mass.
So yes...
A typical healthy male is 5'10? Darn it I need to go grow 2 inches to be healthy
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How are you measuring your bodyfat percentage? Calipers?0
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A typical healthy male is 5'10", 160 pounds. At 20% BF that leaves 128 pounds of lean mass.
So yes...
This site says the typical male is 5'9", 196 lbs. with a 40" waist. The second link estimates his BF% (at age 35) as 58%. So 80 lbs. of LBM? I guess your's was for the typical 'healthy' male. Does he really have 50% more LBM than his fat buddy who weighs 36 lbs. more? Yowza.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/bodymeas.htm
http://www.healthyforms.com/helpful-tools/body-fat-percentage.php
80 lbs??? I wondered how I was walking around relatively fine at 87 lbs scale weight (very ill). It was hard to lift the heavy covers in the winter with my legs; I remember that. My BF was so low my kidneys had dropped!
I was measured (after treatments for a long time, lol) at 115 lbs LBM. I am naturally muscular for a girl and have high testosterone, etc, so I don't take that to mean much for the population, but 80 lbs still sounds crazy!
Sorry, OP
I don't have good advice for you other than to maybe wait longer. I had water weight gains from lifting for like 8 weeks, no kidding. Use a tape measure, definitely 0 -
How are you measuring your bodyfat percentage? Calipers?
My trainer measures my BF% with a caliper.0 -
A typical healthy male is 5'10", 160 pounds. At 20% BF that leaves 128 pounds of lean mass.
So yes...
This site says the typical male is 5'9", 196 lbs. with a 40" waist. The second link estimates his BF% (at age 35) as 58%. So 80 lbs. of LBM? I guess your's was for the typical 'healthy' male. Does he really have 50% more LBM than his fat buddy who weighs 36 lbs. more? Yowza.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/bodymeas.htm
http://www.healthyforms.com/helpful-tools/body-fat-percentage.php
80 lbs??? I wondered how I was walking around relatively fine at 87 lbs scale weight (very ill). It was hard to lift the heavy covers in the winter with my legs; I remember that. My BF was so low my kidneys had dropped!
I was measured (after treatments for a long time, lol) at 115 lbs LBM. I am naturally muscular for a girl and have high testosterone, etc, so I don't take that to mean much for the population, but 80 lbs still sounds crazy!
Sorry, OP I don't have good advice for you other than to maybe wait longer. I had water weight gains from lifting for like 8 weeks, no kidding. Use a tape measure, definitely
Yeah, that BF% estimator acted up. I re-did it and it said 26%. So that'd imply 145 lbs. of LBM. Makes more sense!0 -
How are you measuring your bodyfat percentage? Calipers?
My trainer measures my BF% with a caliper.
Your only mistake was eating more calories when you stopped losing weight after some dodgy advice on here
The only advice i can give you and i am not an expert as i don't need to be is to go back to doing what you were as you have said and see how it goes
You have lost plenty of weight overall so you can't be bad at adding up your calorie consumption or your BMR, the simple truth is no one knows why sometimes doing the exact same thing results in a period when it stops working so people on here throw all sorts of nonsense around, ignore it
I have been eating healthy and exercising mon to fri for four months and some months i have lost a lot and others only a couple of pounds, why the difference i don't know or care
I only weighed myself once a month to avoid all this nonsense, give it two months before changing anything, your weight loss will slow anyhow as you get lighter which is just common sense
If this is going to be a life change of being slimmer does it matter if it takes six months or a year to get there?0 -
For your dinner, try eating mostly protein and less than 10g carb0
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