Sugar: The Bitter Truth

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  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,428 MFP Moderator
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.

    And scientific studies by actual scientist.
  • just_Jennie1
    just_Jennie1 Posts: 1,233
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.

    And scientific studies by actual scientist.

    And you believe that all scientific studies are 100% accurate and correct?

    A lot of the results from studies are skewed and their data is flawed.
  • sloth3toes
    sloth3toes Posts: 2,212 Member
    In, because

    TOPIC: Whats the point in eating back calories burned?

    is getting boring.
  • EvanKeel
    EvanKeel Posts: 1,904 Member

    (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    And you believe that all scientific studies are 100% accurate and correct?

    A lot of the results from studies are skewed and their data is flawed.

    So what, exactly, are you "just sayin'?"

    On one hand you're essentially dismissing having any sort of discussion of evidence because you're doing what "feels" right to you; let's remember that rational discussion has nothing to do with our feelings. Then you put in a parenthetical comment regarding a lack of scientific credentials as a pejorative?

    To your question "And you believe that all scientific studies are 100% accurate and correct?" is obviously no. It's not even an issue of being 100% accurate and correct. All research is held with its own context and framework. The real questions are:

    How valid is the research?
    and
    What does the validated research say?

    I doubt any real scientist would bother even thinking about absolute correctness.
  • AlabasterVerve
    AlabasterVerve Posts: 3,171 Member
    Is there a 3-minute version out there?
    Close. Here's a 9 minute version:

    http://www.uctv.tv/skinny-on-obesity-sickeningly-sweet/
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    I watched this youtube video once that proved the Loch Ness monster was real because science.

    Can you not contribute productively to a topic????

    This is not productive nor conducive to the topic at hand. You are merely being antagonistic.
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.

    And scientific studies by actual scientist.

    And you believe that all scientific studies are 100% accurate and correct?

    A lot of the results from studies are skewed and their data is flawed.

    This is where peer review comes into play. Especially in America, science has been politicized. Groups like the Center for Science in the Public Interest are forever skewing studies, and folks like Lustig are forever using flawed data to sell books. Yes, be vigilant.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,428 MFP Moderator
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.

    And scientific studies by actual scientist.

    And you believe that all scientific studies are 100% accurate and correct?

    A lot of the results from studies are skewed and their data is flawed.

    No I don't, but when they come from the National Institutes for Healthy or the American Journal of Medicine, they tend to hold more merit than some guy selling a lifestyle book on youtube.

    Keep in mind the science evolves and the whole point of science is to disprove a theory. The research is constantly changing as do my views. I don't know much about you, but my views and opinions changed based on science, do yours?

    Also, when I read books, articles and journals, also look to see what they are trying to disprove. If their goal is to prove a specific theory, I tend to chalk that up to confirmation bias.
  • Safiyandi
    Safiyandi Posts: 151
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.

    And scientific studies by actual scientist.

    And you believe that all scientific studies are 100% accurate and correct?

    A lot of the results from studies are skewed and their data is flawed.

    Meta-analyses can identify patterns across all (or a random selection of all) recent data to identify overall patterns. Just as there are outliers in individual data sets, so can there be outliers in research. Even undergoing peer review, there is bad research, there is biased research, and there is older research whose methodologies have been deemed inadequate by newer developments, etc. Meta-reviews can help us determine what is and isn't an outlier - especially in regards to something as well-researched as aspartame. (It's safe with normal use.)
  • davert123
    davert123 Posts: 1,568 Member
    http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

    That video has been totally debunked. Lustig has no idea what he's talking about.

    In a way though the debunk is an oversimplification and scientifically doesn't hold water in places :-) The biggest gripe I have is that (similar to a lot of epidemiological studies) it looks at the population as homogenous when in fact it is averaging many phenotypes all acting differently and assumes that the sum applies to the whole when it doesn't. Also it is worth noting that the multibillion food industry wants things to contain sugar and has been know to produce krony reports to distort peoples perceptions. The real truth from what I can understand is that a lot more research is needed into this subject. Here is a bit though

    http://nutrition.highwire.org/content/130/2/280S.short

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673600040411
    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/4/537.short

    http://www.pediatricsdigest.mobi/content/117/3/673.short

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1299.short

    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/139/3/623.short
  • davert123
    davert123 Posts: 1,568 Member
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.

    And scientific studies by actual scientist.

    And you believe that all scientific studies are 100% accurate and correct?

    A lot of the results from studies are skewed and their data is flawed.

    Meta-analyses can identify patterns across all (or a random selection of all) recent data to identify overall patterns. Just as there are outliers in individual data sets, so can there be outliers in research. Even undergoing peer review, there is bad research, there is biased research, and there is older research whose methodologies have been deemed inadequate by newer developments, etc. Meta-reviews can help us determine what is and isn't an outlier - especially in regards to something as well-researched as aspartame. (It's safe with normal use.)

    I agree with with this :-) ....but still care needs to be taken or else the meta analysis give a false sense of valid data. Things like publication bias are very hard to overcome and since a lot of the published data is funded by the food industry the water gets muddy very quickly:-) I can't remember the research but I have seen peer reviewed research showing that some resports are withheld when the don't say what the funders want it to say. If you are looking for a p<0.1 they ran 20 sets of research and pulled the 1 that showed eating sugar was beneficial (in some random way I cant' recall now :-))
  • PearlAng
    PearlAng Posts: 681 Member
    Hmmm, I guess avoiding all sugar for the rest of one's life is an option, but 1.) Who would want to? And 2.) How realistic is that? Will you never go out for ice cream after mini golf again? Do you really wanna pass up cake on your own birthday? Do you really wish to never bake holiday cookies again? Or sip or hot sugared tea and read a book while it rains outside?


    If I don't eat sugar, I'm sure I'd be fine. I guess its something we could all live without. But do we really wanna?
  • Phoenix_Warrior
    Phoenix_Warrior Posts: 1,633 Member
    I watched this youtube video once that proved the Loch Ness monster was real because science.

    Can you not contribute productively to a topic????

    This is not productive nor conducive to the topic at hand. You are merely being antagonistic.

    What's the point, I'm just an ice cream eating sheeple.
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    Also it is worth noting that the multibillion food industry wants things to contain sugar <SNIP>

    I think it is worth noting that consumers want sugar in many things because sugar tends to add "yumminess." As stated earlier, companies in the food industry have the goal of making money. They don't make money if their competitor's product tastes better.

    ETA: HFCS is cheaper than sugar, so "yumminess" can be added for a lower cost.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    Hmmm, I guess avoiding all sugar for the rest of one's life is an option, but 1.) Who would want to? And 2.) How realistic is that? Will you never go out for ice cream after mini golf again? Do you really wanna pass up cake on your own birthday? Do you really wish to never bake holiday cookies again? Or sip or hot sugared tea and read a book while it rains outside?


    If I don't eat sugar, I'm sure I'd be fine. I guess its something we could all live without. But do we really wanna?

    I didn't grow up eating much sugar so I don't have the sweet tooth addiction that most others have. We had fruits and vegetables in the fridge to eat at all times. Want a snack, grab an apple or make a small salad.............

    I will answer your questions..............

    1. It doesn't bother me to eat little or no sugar. As I mentioned, I didn't grow up eating much sugar anyway.

    2. I don't like commercially prepared ice cream. Home made is what I like. There is one ice cream shop in town that makes home made ice cream and makes a no sugar or sweetener added ice cream and it is divine. I get it once or twice per summer.

    3. I am not a cake person so I didn't even eat my own birthday cake growing up............just serve to everyone else that wants it.

    4. Holiday cookies I like baking for everyone else to give and bring to work and such.

    I like my tea and coffee with no sugar or sweeteners...........the only time I add honey is in the spring for control of allergies. We get local, raw honey to put in hot tea with some lemon to aid in allergy issues.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    sweet tooth addiction that most others have.

    There it is!!
  • PearlAng
    PearlAng Posts: 681 Member
    Hmmm, I guess avoiding all sugar for the rest of one's life is an option, but 1.) Who would want to? And 2.) How realistic is that? Will you never go out for ice cream after mini golf again? Do you really wanna pass up cake on your own birthday? Do you really wish to never bake holiday cookies again? Or sip or hot sugared tea and read a book while it rains outside?


    If I don't eat sugar, I'm sure I'd be fine. I guess its something we could all live without. But do we really wanna?

    I didn't grow up eating much sugar so I don't have the sweet tooth addiction that most others have. We had fruits and vegetables in the fridge to eat at all times. Want a snack, grab an apple or make a small salad.............

    I will answer your questions..............

    1. It doesn't bother me to eat little or no sugar. As I mentioned, I didn't grow up eating much sugar anyway.

    2. I don't like commercially prepared ice cream. Home made is what I like. There is one ice cream shop in town that makes home made ice cream and makes a no sugar or sweetener added ice cream and it is divine. I get it once or twice per summer.

    3. I am not a cake person so I didn't even eat my own birthday cake growing up............just serve to everyone else that wants it.

    4. Holiday cookies I like baking for everyone else to give and bring to work and such.

    I like my tea and coffee with no sugar or sweeteners...........the only time I add honey is in the spring for control of allergies. We get local, raw honey to put in hot tea with some lemon to aid in allergy issues.
    much power to you; however, majority of the population now does not live like that. Its a personal choice, and dealing with a "sugar addiction" myself, I've come to realize that you have to eat for yourself. I see nothing wrong with sugar. Yes, they say too much is bad, and I know that when I eat too much I don't like the way it feels, but I see nothing wrong with enjoying a little treat in the aforementioned scenarios. Food is not inherently "good" or "bad".
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    The bitter truth: it's DELICIOUS!!

    Sorry, not watching a 90 minute video.
    Why do people keep posting this???
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.

    And scientific studies by actual scientist.

    And you believe that all scientific studies are 100% accurate and correct?

    A lot of the results from studies are skewed and their data is flawed.
    Like the one in the YouTube video? Why do you choose to believe that but not the others?
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I watched this youtube video once that proved the Loch Ness monster was real because science.

    Can you not contribute productively to a topic????

    This is not productive nor conducive to the topic at hand. You are merely being antagonistic.
    ...
  • tonybalony01
    tonybalony01 Posts: 613 Member
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.

    Actual scientists used to believe the world was flat. Doesn't mean they were right.
  • moment_to_arise
    moment_to_arise Posts: 207 Member
    i don't understand how this same thread keeps popping up over and over and over... and every time it is equally hilarious.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.

    Actual scientists used to believe the world was flat. Doesn't mean they were right.

    'Science' didn't really exist the last time people thought the world was flat. FYI.
  • just_Jennie1
    just_Jennie1 Posts: 1,233
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.

    And scientific studies by actual scientist.

    And you believe that all scientific studies are 100% accurate and correct?

    A lot of the results from studies are skewed and their data is flawed.
    Like the one in the YouTube video? Why do you choose to believe that but not the others?

    If you went back and read my first post you would see that I didn't watch the video and stated what I choose to do for myself. My comment about scientific studies not being 100% accurate had nothing to do with this video, which again, I did not watch.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Hmmm, I guess avoiding all sugar for the rest of one's life is an option, but 1.) Who would want to? And 2.) How realistic is that? Will you never go out for ice cream after mini golf again? Do you really wanna pass up cake on your own birthday? Do you really wish to never bake holiday cookies again? Or sip or hot sugared tea and read a book while it rains outside?


    If I don't eat sugar, I'm sure I'd be fine. I guess its something we could all live without. But do we really wanna?

    I didn't grow up eating much sugar so I don't have the sweet tooth addiction that most others have. We had fruits and vegetables in the fridge to eat at all times. Want a snack, grab an apple or make a small salad.............

    I will answer your questions..............

    1. It doesn't bother me to eat little or no sugar. As I mentioned, I didn't grow up eating much sugar anyway.

    2. I don't like commercially prepared ice cream. Home made is what I like. There is one ice cream shop in town that makes home made ice cream and makes a no sugar or sweetener added ice cream and it is divine. I get it once or twice per summer.

    3. I am not a cake person so I didn't even eat my own birthday cake growing up............just serve to everyone else that wants it.

    4. Holiday cookies I like baking for everyone else to give and bring to work and such.

    I like my tea and coffee with no sugar or sweeteners...........the only time I add honey is in the spring for control of allergies. We get local, raw honey to put in hot tea with some lemon to aid in allergy issues.

    Good thing lactose isn't sugar
  • tonybalony01
    tonybalony01 Posts: 613 Member
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.

    Actual scientists used to believe the world was flat. Doesn't mean they were right.

    'Science' didn't really exist the last time people thought the world was flat. FYI.

    Sorry. When was science invented?
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    If you went back and read my first post you would see that I didn't watch the video and stated what I choose to do for myself. My comment about scientific studies not being 100% accurate had nothing to do with this video, which again, I did not watch.

    But even though you didn't watch it, you believe what it says ...
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I didn't watch the video but regardless, I personally choose to stay away from HFCS, Aspartame and I try to limit my intake of added sugar.

    Despite what everyone here may say or think (and as far as I know no one on here is a scientist. Just sayin') I choose to do what I feel is right for me.
    There are actually plenty of scientists on this board.

    Actual scientists used to believe the world was flat. Doesn't mean they were right.

    'Science' didn't really exist the last time people thought the world was flat. FYI.

    Sorry. When was science invented?
    When science diverged from the Church. When everyone thought the world was flat, it was because of how clergy interpreted the Bible, not based on any actual scientific research. This is also why they claimed the sun revolved around the earth and Galileo was a heretic.
  • just_Jennie1
    just_Jennie1 Posts: 1,233
    If you went back and read my first post you would see that I didn't watch the video and stated what I choose to do for myself. My comment about scientific studies not being 100% accurate had nothing to do with this video, which again, I did not watch.

    But even though you didn't watch it, you believe what it says ...

    Where did I say that?

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