Fat Chance: Fructose 2.0 (Dr. Robert Lustig)

SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish

It's a no brainer that obesity does not CAUSE diabetes but is a symptom of the same disease. But posting here is a waste of your time and energy. It's totally lost on most people that what one eats affects health. If it's sold in the store it can't possibly be bad for us, because the government protects us and food manufacturers would never lie or work to make their food-like products as addictive as possible, because they aren't at all trying to sell as much as possible at all costs..... Ignorance is bliss.

Paranoia is bliss.


Actually wait, it's probably pretty tiring.

Well most of the time people on this site get the idea of what generally effects weight loss the most right, most of the time. However this does stick out like a sore thumb. No company has your best interests in mind. Its profit. Period. Satisfy as many laws as necessary to achieve it and try to change them to maximize your profit. If it serves to increase profit, appear to take an "interest" in people's concerns. Companies aren't "evil" either, but to not keep the idea that profit is first and foremost and above all is even in law in a corporation (yes sometimes they are not able to do the logical thing even because it does not maximize profit) in mind and not critically think is to create...today's America...

ThickMcRunFast

"sheeple"; FDA shilling, fructose alarmism...

I think that's an MFP bingo for me.

Wait wait, someone say something about starvation mode and/or getting bulky, quick.

ILiftHeavyAcrylics

In for irony

MstngSammy

It's a no brainer that obesity does not CAUSE diabetes but is a symptom of the same disease. But posting here is a waste of your time and energy. It's totally lost on most people that what one eats affects health. If it's sold in the store it can't possibly be bad for us, because the government protects us and food manufacturers would never lie or work to make their food-like products as addictive as possible, because they aren't at all trying to sell as much as possible at all costs..... Ignorance is bliss.

Actually, the reverse is true. Obesity is a major cause of diabetes. One of the main symptoms of diabetes is unexplained weight loss. The insulin problems are actually the symptoms of diabetes. The body stops being able to properly process sugar because you have diabetes, not the other way around. Does a cold make you sneeze, or does sneezing give you a cold?

Obesity from the extreme over-consumption of carby and sugary foods? Keeping your blood sugar at a constant high state? Like type 2....which is reversible?

Not being SA....just wanted opinion.


And of course I scr00 up the bolding lol (fixed...still in training)

PaleoPath4Lyfe

It's a no brainer that obesity does not CAUSE diabetes but is a symptom of the same disease. But posting here is a waste of your time and energy. It's totally lost on most people that what one eats affects health. If it's sold in the store it can't possibly be bad for us, because the government protects us and food manufacturers would never lie or work to make their food-like products as addictive as possible, because they aren't at all trying to sell as much as possible at all costs..... Ignorance is bliss.

Paranoia is bliss.



Actually wait, it's probably pretty tiring.

Its nasty and wasteful comments such as yours that she is speaking of.

You just don't get it. One day you will. Can't stand sheeple. Blindly follow the status quo because someone said it is true.

I was brought up and raised to question everything and I am better off in doing so.

If you've questioned sugar AND done your own research you would have found that Lustig uses SURVEY data (meaning just asking people instead of actually observing or testing in a controlled manner) spanning from 1989-1995 on children aged 2-17. The flaws in his data come from asking not observing, out of date and about children.

You have not heard me say one way or another whether I believe Lustig or not. I do believe he makes SOME valid points, even if he is not correct on everything he states.

No one is correct on everything they state.

I personally stay away from sugar because I am Diabetic, have PCOS and Metabolic Disorder along with recovering from a Pituitary tumor. So yeah, my body does not metabolize sugar well at all.

Now add in a diagnosis of Lupus and staying away from grains is a must.

Do I prefer to have to live this way. Hell No. But it is what it is. I see that our government agencies..........the ones that are supposed to protect us don't have our best interest at heart. They don't care what so ever.

Its in my best interest to stay away from it. I have to wear gloves to bake and decorate cakes for family members and friends as the powdered sugar absorbs into my hands and causes blood sugar highs that my Dr and I could not figure out where they were coming from.

I work with my Endocrinologist to adjust my eating and exercise plan as needed for my health and well being.

meeper123

In for paranoia and the use of the word "sheeple".

lol

Achrya

It's a no brainer that obesity does not CAUSE diabetes but is a symptom of the same disease. But posting here is a waste of your time and energy. It's totally lost on most people that what one eats affects health. If it's sold in the store it can't possibly be bad for us, because the government protects us and food manufacturers would never lie or work to make their food-like products as addictive as possible, because they aren't at all trying to sell as much as possible at all costs..... Ignorance is bliss.

Paranoia is bliss.



Actually wait, it's probably pretty tiring.

Its nasty and wasteful comments such as yours that she is speaking of.

You just don't get it. One day you will. Can't stand sheeple. Blindly follow the status quo because someone said it is true.

I was brought up and raised to question everything and I am better off in doing so.

If I was blindly following the pack I'd probably be riding the anti sugar/anti carb train, not drinking coffee and having pie for breakfast.

But please, tell me all about how I'm the one following along like a sheep. Tell me how much you know about me and what I do. I like a little humor with my breakfast. Enlighten me with your paleo wisdom.

Calling the previous poster paranoid is pretty typical sheeple talk speaking up for the food manufacturers, FDA and other government agencies.

They don't care about YOU nor anyone else. They are out for the $$ only. I am disappointed that you don't see this and you know what I am referring to. If you don't.........you are even more clueless and lost than I think you are.

mzenzer

It's a no brainer that obesity does not CAUSE diabetes but is a symptom of the same disease. But posting here is a waste of your time and energy. It's totally lost on most people that what one eats affects health. If it's sold in the store it can't possibly be bad for us, because the government protects us and food manufacturers would never lie or work to make their food-like products as addictive as possible, because they aren't at all trying to sell as much as possible at all costs..... Ignorance is bliss.

Paranoia is bliss.



Actually wait, it's probably pretty tiring.

So is ignorance.....

PaleoPath4Lyfe

I am no tin foil hat wearer. I am enlightened.

Cranquistador

thesupremeforce

I'm just in for this picture.

PaleoPath4Lyfe

It's a no brainer that obesity does not CAUSE diabetes but is a symptom of the same disease. But posting here is a waste of your time and energy. It's totally lost on most people that what one eats affects health. If it's sold in the store it can't possibly be bad for us, because the government protects us and food manufacturers would never lie or work to make their food-like products as addictive as possible, because they aren't at all trying to sell as much as possible at all costs..... Ignorance is bliss.

Paranoia is bliss.



Actually wait, it's probably pretty tiring.

Its nasty and wasteful comments such as yours that she is speaking of.

You just don't get it. One day you will. Can't stand sheeple. Blindly follow the status quo because someone said it is true.

I was brought up and raised to question everything and I am better off in doing so.

If I was blindly following the pack I'd probably be riding the anti sugar/anti carb train, not drinking coffee and having pie for breakfast.

But please, tell me all about how I'm the one following along like a sheep. Tell me how much you know about me and what I do. I like a little humor with my breakfast. Enlighten me with your paleo wisdom.

Calling the previous poster paranoid is pretty typical sheeple talk speaking up for the food manufacturers, FDA and other government agencies.

They don't care about YOU nor anyone else. They are out for the $$ only. I am disappointed that you don't see this and you know what I am referring to. If you don't.........you are even more clueless and lost than I think you are.

I am no tin foil hat wearer. Just because I believe something different than you does not make me a conspiracy theorist.

The proof is in the pudding in what she speaks.

Write Kelloggs a letter and see if they care about you. They don't care about you, they care about your money.

And obviously you don't get the other part of what I said, which is really sad. You are blinder than I thought.

MstngSammy

LOL :laugh:

Achrya

It's a no brainer that obesity does not CAUSE diabetes but is a symptom of the same disease. But posting here is a waste of your time and energy. It's totally lost on most people that what one eats affects health. If it's sold in the store it can't possibly be bad for us, because the government protects us and food manufacturers would never lie or work to make their food-like products as addictive as possible, because they aren't at all trying to sell as much as possible at all costs..... Ignorance is bliss.

Paranoia is bliss.


Actually wait, it's probably pretty tiring.

Well most of the time people on this site get the idea of what generally effects weight loss the most right, most of the time. However this does stick out like a sore thumb. No company has your best interests in mind. Its profit. Period. Satisfy as many laws as necessary to achieve it and try to change them to maximize your profit. If it serves to increase profit, appear to take an "interest" in people's concerns. Companies aren't "evil" either, but to not keep the idea that profit is first and foremost and above all is even in law in a corporation (yes sometimes they are not able to do the logical thing even because it does not maximize profit) in mind and not critically think is to create...today's America...

Are you telling me that companies designed to make money do what is needed to make money? No way.

There is a huge difference between acknowledging that companies are out for themselves and the paranoia being observed in this thread. It's a bit like video game forums, where people spin their theories of why A class is buffed while B class is nerfed and say Y company can't be trusted because they just want your money. Of course they want your money; that doesn't mean they're going around bringing down the nerf bat of sidelining on your class to make some other class happier.

Phoenix_Warrior

:flowerforyou: I'm going to write Ben & Jerry a love song. Because I care

Achrya

I'm just in for this picture.

It's cute right? I want one.

usmcmp

By the way this has been discussed before a few times. Here are two of the more recent ones.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1145634-sugar-the-bitter-truth
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1071347-sugar-the-bitter-truth

zyxst

In to pass out tin foil hats, but Achrya beat me to it.

in_the_stars

Its in my best interest to stay away from it. I have to wear gloves to bake and decorate cakes for family members and friends as the powdered sugar absorbs into my hands and causes blood sugar highs that my Dr and I could not figure out where they were coming from.

ummmm... what?!

Achrya

It's a no brainer that obesity does not CAUSE diabetes but is a symptom of the same disease. But posting here is a waste of your time and energy. It's totally lost on most people that what one eats affects health. If it's sold in the store it can't possibly be bad for us, because the government protects us and food manufacturers would never lie or work to make their food-like products as addictive as possible, because they aren't at all trying to sell as much as possible at all costs..... Ignorance is bliss.

Paranoia is bliss.



Actually wait, it's probably pretty tiring.

Its nasty and wasteful comments such as yours that she is speaking of.

You just don't get it. One day you will. Can't stand sheeple. Blindly follow the status quo because someone said it is true.

I was brought up and raised to question everything and I am better off in doing so.

If I was blindly following the pack I'd probably be riding the anti sugar/anti carb train, not drinking coffee and having pie for breakfast.

But please, tell me all about how I'm the one following along like a sheep. Tell me how much you know about me and what I do. I like a little humor with my breakfast. Enlighten me with your paleo wisdom.

Calling the previous poster paranoid is pretty typical sheeple talk speaking up for the food manufacturers, FDA and other government agencies.

They don't care about YOU nor anyone else. They are out for the $$ only. I am disappointed that you don't see this and you know what I am referring to. If you don't.........you are even more clueless and lost than I think you are.

I am no tin foil hat wearer. Just because I believe something different than you does not make me a conspiracy theorist.

The proof is in the pudding in what she speaks.

Write Kelloggs a letter and see if they care about you. They don't care about you, they care about your money.

And obviously you don't get the other part of what I said, which is really sad. You are blinder than I thought.

actually, nevermind.