Donuts?

MyChocolateDiet

]OK, I will google the dirty dozen and read it.

Do you have any information on the thing about cancer and disease?

I have started walking and that's about it...I put some music on the Ipod and made a commitment to walk a few times a week.

The best source of information that you can find is really reading the label of the food. Do recognize and ingredient? Look it up--and see why it's in your food. One great example are flour tortillas. I used to feed them to my children several times a week. Then I looked at the ingredients: Hydrogenated oils, softening agents, mold inhibitors, flavor enhancers. If you research each ingredient--you will be able to follow the trail as to what adverse effects these ingredients can have on your health. YOU are your own best advocate! Small changes lead to sustainable changes! ETA: to add...I am a lover of doughnuts and donuts myself. I also eat ice cream and pizza, and beer. I just choose carefully...and certainly watch portion and frequency. HTH!


And walking? It is the best exercise for starting out! I commend you on your commitment! Keep up the good work!

thank you for your encouragement

Just curious...do you have any links on studies about the cancer and disease you mentioned? I would really like to read about this and seems like you have done your research.

thanks.

Please don't sit by the computer waiting for this person to find the research. I fear you and your computer will grow old while everyone else around you is flying about living their lives in their hovercrafts. Please don't wait in the tub for it either. Your fingers will prune. Please don't wait in your car with it idling...you'll run out of gas. Please don't wait on your laptop, the battery will die. Please don't wait on your cell phone's MFP app...same as previous. Please don't wait, your hair will turn grey.

BeachIron

Calories are indeed all that matter for weight loss.

For health and body composition, you want to pay attention to nutrients. Get enough protein and enough fat, eat a few servings of veggies every day, and forget about the rest.

This is pretty much spot on.
Get to the gym and do some resistance exercise 3 times per week. Continue to do your walking. When you get lighter and feel up to it add some running if you like. Get a good nights sleep for rest and recovery. Go to the doc once a year for a physical and a blood draw to make sure everything under the hood is all good...

Best of luck!

I was thinking of joining a gym.

and thanks for the support.

Lift, count the calories, watch those macros, lose weight and look good. Lots of hard work but it's really very simple.

MyChocolateDiet

i really wont spend my calories on a donut. whats the point? i'd be hungry in 20 mins anyways.

That's when that 2nd 3rd and 4th donut come in handy.

They sell them by the dozen for a reason!

and its also why we have so many fingers!

Oooooh. Those are the appendages that you stick in the hole. I've been doing it wrong . . .

It depends...were they glazed?

BeachIron

i really wont spend my calories on a donut. whats the point? i'd be hungry in 20 mins anyways.

That's when that 2nd 3rd and 4th donut come in handy.

They sell them by the dozen for a reason!

and its also why we have so many fingers!

Oooooh. Those are the appendages that you stick in the hole. I've been doing it wrong . . .

It depends...were they glazed?

Well. Yea. Of course. I sure "love" my donuts

One_Fur_luck

Calories are indeed all that matter for weight loss.

For health and body composition, you want to pay attention to nutrients. Get enough protein and enough fat, eat a few servings of veggies every day, and forget about the rest.

This is pretty much spot on.
Get to the gym and do some resistance exercise 3 times per week. Continue to do your walking. When you get lighter and feel up to it add some running if you like. Get a good nights sleep for rest and recovery. Go to the doc once a year for a physical and a blood draw to make sure everything under the hood is all good...

Best of luck!

I was thinking of joining a gym.

and thanks for the support.

Lift, count the calories, watch those macros, lose weight and look good. Lots of hard work but it's really very simple.

In other words, don't overthink?

One_Fur_luck

]OK, I will google the dirty dozen and read it.

Do you have any information on the thing about cancer and disease?

I have started walking and that's about it...I put some music on the Ipod and made a commitment to walk a few times a week.

The best source of information that you can find is really reading the label of the food. Do recognize and ingredient? Look it up--and see why it's in your food. One great example are flour tortillas. I used to feed them to my children several times a week. Then I looked at the ingredients: Hydrogenated oils, softening agents, mold inhibitors, flavor enhancers. If you research each ingredient--you will be able to follow the trail as to what adverse effects these ingredients can have on your health. YOU are your own best advocate! Small changes lead to sustainable changes! ETA: to add...I am a lover of doughnuts and donuts myself. I also eat ice cream and pizza, and beer. I just choose carefully...and certainly watch portion and frequency. HTH!


And walking? It is the best exercise for starting out! I commend you on your commitment! Keep up the good work!

thank you for your encouragement

Just curious...do you have any links on studies about the cancer and disease you mentioned? I would really like to read about this and seems like you have done your research.

thanks.

Please don't sit by the computer waiting for this person to find the research. I fear you and your computer will grow old while everyone else around you is flying about living their lives in their hovercrafts. Please don't wait in the tub for it either. Your fingers will prune. Please don't wait in your car with it idling...you'll run out of gas. Please don't wait on your laptop, the battery will die. Please don't wait on your cell phone's MFP app...same as previous. Please don't wait, your hair will turn grey.

What are you trying to say? You don't think she has the research to back up her claims?

Slaintegrl

I am new to the site and just saw someone say he ate 800 calories in donuts. That would be way too much sugar, right? I go over sugar if I eat a few pieces of fruit.

I see a lot of people claiming to eat ice cream and cake and pizza and I just don't see how they can lose weight this way.

Also a friend on my list sent me a message and told me to make sure I "set my macros" right? What is right?

Should I not use what MFP gave me?

Too much sugar for what?

Weight loss is determined by calorie deficit. Period.

Ummm, maybe too much sugar for anyone who is diabetic? or pre-diabetic?

LolBroScience

]OK, I will google the dirty dozen and read it.

Do you have any information on the thing about cancer and disease?

I have started walking and that's about it...I put some music on the Ipod and made a commitment to walk a few times a week.

The best source of information that you can find is really reading the label of the food. Do recognize and ingredient? Look it up--and see why it's in your food. One great example are flour tortillas. I used to feed them to my children several times a week. Then I looked at the ingredients: Hydrogenated oils, softening agents, mold inhibitors, flavor enhancers. If you research each ingredient--you will be able to follow the trail as to what adverse effects these ingredients can have on your health. YOU are your own best advocate! Small changes lead to sustainable changes! ETA: to add...I am a lover of doughnuts and donuts myself. I also eat ice cream and pizza, and beer. I just choose carefully...and certainly watch portion and frequency. HTH!


And walking? It is the best exercise for starting out! I commend you on your commitment! Keep up the good work!

You recognize all of these?

thesupremeforce

What are you trying to say? You don't think she has the research to back up her claims?

I'm not a gambler, but I'd put my money on "no" in this case. I'd label it fear mongering.

Don't over think the process. Trying to restrict too much in one area (or do too much in another area) vastly increases the likelihood of failure. Figure out how much you should be eating and aim for that number. Do some exercise, because exercise is good for you.

greenhudler

OP: Here's the problem: When you ask a few million people what the right answer is, you're going to get page after page of "Here's what you need to do…" Everybody will tell you what worked for THEM and try to convince you it will work for YOU too. It may. Or it may not. Some people are able to eat a donut or 2 every so often and stay in their calorie range. Others try to avoid those foods altogether. Me? I try to avoid them. There are lots of people who would crucify me for that, while others would tell me my diet isn't healthy enough.

Then you'll get all the arguments about what "healthy" actually is. Paleo, IIFYM, vegetarian, GF, unprocessed, organic, garbage in garbage out, you name it. Everybody's got an opinion. Some will tell you pop tarts are the devil while others will tell you those people are evil diet zombies.

In short, there is no consensus. And most of the time, on this site, there's not even civility.

Your job now that you've asked, is to figure out what's best for you. Do you WANT to give up donuts? If so then for pete's sake give them up. Do you WANT to have donuts every so often? Then have them every so often, as long as you find a way to make them fit in your health goals. So figure out what you want to do, then go for it. In my opinion, MFP is better at being supportive once you have a plan than it is helping you figure out your plan. If that makes sense.

Good luck.
TriJoe.

Ding ding ding we have a winner!

BossLadyDSimp

OP: Here's the problem: When you ask a few million people what the right answer is, you're going to get page after page of "Here's what you need to do…" Everybody will tell you what worked for THEM and try to convince you it will work for YOU too. It may. Or it may not. Some people are able to eat a donut or 2 every so often and stay in their calorie range. Others try to avoid those foods altogether. Me? I try to avoid them. There are lots of people who would crucify me for that, while others would tell me my diet isn't healthy enough.

Then you'll get all the arguments about what "healthy" actually is. Paleo, IIFYM, vegetarian, GF, unprocessed, organic, garbage in garbage out, you name it. Everybody's got an opinion. Some will tell you pop tarts are the devil while others will tell you those people are evil diet zombies.

In short, there is no consensus. And most of the time, on this site, there's not even civility.

Your job now that you've asked, is to figure out what's best for you. Do you WANT to give up donuts? If so then for pete's sake give them up. Do you WANT to have donuts every so often? Then have them every so often, as long as you find a way to make them fit in your health goals. So figure out what you want to do, then go for it. In my opinion, MFP is better at being supportive once you have a plan than it is helping you figure out your plan. If that makes sense.

Good luck.
TriJoe.

Ding ding ding we have a winner!

Perfectly stated ... I found that I like to eat healthier food for fuel for my body esp. when working out ... I still have wine, and pizza, and other sugary things but they become less and less frequent and smaller and smaller portions. I say if you need to eat it to keep on track with logging and such then do it. If you find that you can go without it and substitute it, then do that.


This is about YOUR journey ... no one shoved the food in your mouth to get you where you WERE, no one can do the calorie counting or working out to get you WHERE YOU ARE TRYING TO GO!

GOOD LUCK

paleojoe

I agree with some of you that its ok to indulge in your favorite foods sometimes, but just because you can lose weight eating junk food doesn't mean you should! and just cause you're losing the weight doesn't mean you're healthy...

It also does not mean you are not healthy...

Remember, it is important that you look at all foods in the context of the diet as a whole. Some foods are more nutritionally dense then others and some foods are more calorically dense then others. The combination of foods in context with the individuals goals determine wether or not the diet as a whole is healthy.

conniedj

thank you for your encouragement

Just curious...do you have any links on studies about the cancer and disease you mentioned? I would really like to read about this and seems like you have done your research.

thanks.

I used to have all of the studies...and I can list a ton...but here is a link for a report for Carcinogens done by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Public Health Service National Toxicology Program.
http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/roc/twelfth/roc12.pdf

It is a huge database with all known and suspected carcinogens. Here are a couple of common carcinogens used as additives in processed foods:

Nitrates/Nitrites (preservative: N-Nitromasine)
BHA-preservative
P-Cresidine ( food dyes/artificial color red blue green orange)
Acetyldehyde (artificial flavor: butter apple orange) (also used as a preservative)
Diazoaminobenzene (artificial dye/color red yellow blue)
hydrogenated oils
Bromated flour (potassium bromate) ( white flour conditioner)

This is my short list of most common carcinogen still used in foods manufactured and distributed for consumption in the USA. Note: Most other countries have banned the use of the above. Companies like Kraft, Nestle, Kellogg's manufacture products without these ingredients for export to the countries that have banned the ingredients.

This list is not exhaustive--just a start. And Certainly one can argue that carcinogens don't necessarily cause cancer. But if it isn't necessary in the food--and isn't a healthful addition, why eat it? For me the answer is simple. Don't--or limit as much as possible. This is just the carcinogenic additives.

Chronic diseases are an additional conversation--also one more subjective to causation/correlation. There are many many studies out there about every chronic disease--many of which are related to lifestyle choices ( read: food, exercise, sleep, etc) But suffice it to say that the logic still holds true that high caloric/low nutritive foods ( think soda, fast foods, highly processed foods) are poor choices for long term health. I think most people would agree with that.

And to everyone: I don't necessarily want to try to convince you on my point of view. I am merely sharing some information that brought me to it (meaning my POV)

KnM0107

i really wont spend my calories on a donut. whats the point? i'd be hungry in 20 mins anyways.

If I have a donut after dinner I am not eating it to get full or stay full. Dinner takes care of that. I for one don't think that every thing I eat MUST stick with me for hours. That sounds silly to me. The point would be if I have met my nutritional needs through an overall healthy diet and I have the calories, I can eat what I want. IIFYM!

paleojoe

i really wont spend my calories on a donut. whats the point? i'd be hungry in 20 mins anyways.

If I have a donut after dinner I am not eating it to get full or stay full. Dinner takes care of that. I for one don't think that every thing I eat MUST stick with me for hours. That sounds silly to me. The point would be if I have met my nutritional needs through an overall healthy diet and I have the calories, I can eat what I want. IIFYM!

At 128 pounds lost I would say you know what you are talking about...

One_Fur_luck

Thanks everyone for your input.

Cranquistador

Thanks everyone for your input.

stick around...you will learn a lot.

BeachIron

What? No free donuts?