Can you really eat "clean" your whole life?
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I am working on lowering my bf% with strength training and lifting as well as cardio.
So I am hoping to see some flat abs LOL.
But the reason I asked this question is because this girl at my work told me I wont ever see flat abs if I continue to eat burgers, pasta and "white" flours.
So I got worried.
I also see people on here, and on blogs eating chicken, plain chicken for every meal, I would lose my mind.
I personally think Chicken breast is disgusting when cooked plain.
That girl is probably quoting something she read in a fitness magazine. We've all heard it, unfortunately.0 -
Of course it is ideal to never consume additives, colorings, high amounts of calories, "imitation food" (oreos, kraft singles, boxed meals, etc) but honestly I don't know anyone that can just not eat these things, at all, ever. I don't see a problem with cheat days where of course its monitored so you didn't get your days calories from doritos alone, however I think that we should be trying to move away from these habits. So honestly I would start with cheat days on Saturdays and then go to every other Saturday being your cheat days where you can eat something junky. It's okay to eat more calories than planned occasionally but making sure they are coming from at least half decent sources is pretty important. If you are craving something sweet on your "inbetween" Saturday, treat yourself to a pile of fruit.
That's just what I think though. Nobody is perfect, myself included.
Cookies, cheese and boxed food are imitation foods? Please go on...
First of all I consider food to be something that grows on trees, bushes, in the ground, basically on a plant or something that is classified as an animal (besides human).
Oreos:
SUGAR, UNBLEACHED UNRICHED FLOUR (, WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID) , HIGH OLEIC CONOLA OIL, AND/OR , PALM OIL, AND/OR , CANOLA OIL, AND/OR , SOYBEAN OIL, COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI), HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, CORNSTARCH, LEAVENING (, BAKING SODA, AND/OR , CALCIUM PHOSPHATE) , SALT, SOY LECITHIN, VANILLIN, - AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR , CHOCOLATE
where is the food? Okay there is flour, cornstarch, salt, and chocolate. Seriously can you argue that this fits into the definition of "food"? any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth?
Kraft singles? Stove top stuffing? Hamburger Helper? Cheez-its? Crackers? Chef Boyardee?
So those types of food don't fit into your definition of food, but everything you mentioned fits in my definition of food. So...what's your point?0 -
PS.. My great granddad lived to be over 100 eating unclean foods like cookies, whiskey, little debbie's, sara lee, hamburger healthy etc (that mad had a HUGE sweet tooth). he didnt have weight problems or health problems, low blood pressure. of course those "unhealthy" foods weren't the only things he was eating, but he worked them into his regular diet.
so i call BS on this idea that eating unhealthy stuff automatically makes you unhealthy.
my grandmother smoked all her life, barely drank water (got it from her coffee), ate meats that were left out over night... and she's still alive in her 90s!!! And she still smokes!!!
So did mine, and she died at 68 after a heart attack and a stroke...everything doesn't work for everyone.0 -
PS.. My great granddad lived to be over 100 eating unclean foods like cookies, whiskey, little debbie's, sara lee, hamburger healthy etc (that mad had a HUGE sweet tooth). he didnt have weight problems or health problems, low blood pressure. of course those "unhealthy" foods weren't the only things he was eating, but he worked them into his regular diet.
so i call BS on this idea that eating unhealthy stuff automatically makes you unhealthy.
my grandmother smoked all her life, barely drank water (got it from her coffee), ate meats that were left out over night... and she's still alive in her 90s!!! And she still smokes!!!
So did mine, and she died at 68 after a heart attack and a stroke...everything doesn't work for everyone.
Everyone who breathes dies. So......0 -
Such a relief to know I can actually achieve a flat stomach and still enjoy a freakin burger.
Yes. What nearly all diet plans/strategies try to do is achieve a calorie deficit through food choice - foods that are difficult to eat enough of to hit a surplus. That can work. But obviously people pick stupid diets and fail all the time.
MFP gets to the root issue - the calories themselves. So you don't have to try to trick your body with food choice. You just have to log accurately and control yourself. If you choose a burger, maybe you're choosing 900 calories. Maybe you want to eat half of it. Maybe you don't eat 1200 calories of lasagna for dinner when you have only 400 left. Tradeoffs based on knowledge.0 -
Such a relief to know I can actually achieve a flat stomach and still enjoy a freakin burger.
Yes. What nearly all diet plans/strategies try to do is achieve a calorie deficit through food choice - foods that are difficult to eat enough of to hit a surplus. That can work. But obviously people pick stupid diets and fail all the time.
MFP gets to the root issue - the calories themselves. So you don't have to try to trick your body with food choice. You just have to log accurately and control yourself. If you choose a burger, maybe you're choosing 900 calories. Maybe you want to eat half of it. Maybe you don't eat 1200 calories of lasagna for dinner when you have only 400 left. Tradeoffs based on knowledge.
Way wow woa... Even a McDonald's McDouble is only 400 calories. What burgers are 900? I'm actually curious.0 -
Such a relief to know I can actually achieve a flat stomach and still enjoy a freakin burger.
Yes. What nearly all diet plans/strategies try to do is achieve a calorie deficit through food choice - foods that are difficult to eat enough of to hit a surplus. That can work. But obviously people pick stupid diets and fail all the time.
MFP gets to the root issue - the calories themselves. So you don't have to try to trick your body with food choice. You just have to log accurately and control yourself. If you choose a burger, maybe you're choosing 900 calories. Maybe you want to eat half of it. Maybe you don't eat 1200 calories of lasagna for dinner when you have only 400 left. Tradeoffs based on knowledge.
Way wow woa... Even a McDonald's McDouble is only 400 calories. What burgers are 900? I'm actually curious.
Red Robin.0 -
Of course it is ideal to never consume additives, colorings, high amounts of calories, "imitation food" (oreos, kraft singles, boxed meals, etc) but honestly I don't know anyone that can just not eat these things, at all, ever. I don't see a problem with cheat days where of course its monitored so you didn't get your days calories from doritos alone, however I think that we should be trying to move away from these habits. So honestly I would start with cheat days on Saturdays and then go to every other Saturday being your cheat days where you can eat something junky. It's okay to eat more calories than planned occasionally but making sure they are coming from at least half decent sources is pretty important. If you are craving something sweet on your "inbetween" Saturday, treat yourself to a pile of fruit.
That's just what I think though. Nobody is perfect, myself included.
Cookies, cheese and boxed food are imitation foods? Please go on...
First of all I consider food to be something that grows on trees, bushes, in the ground, basically on a plant or something that is classified as an animal (besides human).
Oreos:
SUGAR, UNBLEACHED UNRICHED FLOUR (, WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID) , HIGH OLEIC CONOLA OIL, AND/OR , PALM OIL, AND/OR , CANOLA OIL, AND/OR , SOYBEAN OIL, COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI), HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, CORNSTARCH, LEAVENING (, BAKING SODA, AND/OR , CALCIUM PHOSPHATE) , SALT, SOY LECITHIN, VANILLIN, - AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR , CHOCOLATE
where is the food? Okay there is flour, cornstarch, salt, and chocolate. Seriously can you argue that this fits into the definition of "food"? any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth?
Kraft singles? Stove top stuffing? Hamburger Helper? Cheez-its? Crackers? Chef Boyardee?
Way to cherry pick your examples.
Cookies: Flour, butter, sugar, leavening agent, egg+whateverelseyouwant
Kraft singles is not cheese, it is cheese product.
Hamburger helper is essentially pasta with seasoning in a box. Add ground beef to it.
Crackers? Unleavened bread.
Hamburger Helper is way worse than that and obviously those are the type of things I was talking about. That is why I specified oreos, Kraft singles, and boxed meals. Did I say everything in the grocery store? No. It is a shame that most on this site are more concerned for weight than they are for health.
as far as your other question goes, obviously these people can be healthy if these products don't make the majority of the diet. If you eat hamburger helper once a week, no it isn't going to make much difference. But if you ate oreos as a snack with it and then ate a banquet frozen dinner for lunch, yes it will make a difference. We shouldn't put the definition of health at the lowest bare minimum that we are willing to do, we should strive for better health. If you are on blood pressure medication at 50 years old, that is ultimately your fault except for like the 5% that's hereditary and even then, it was probably sparked by diet. There is no reason to settle for "just enough that I don't have to try and I can still lose weight" when we can cut out additives and toxins and try to reach a level of health that can carry through our lives.0 -
Such a relief to know I can actually achieve a flat stomach and still enjoy a freakin burger.
Yes. What nearly all diet plans/strategies try to do is achieve a calorie deficit through food choice - foods that are difficult to eat enough of to hit a surplus. That can work. But obviously people pick stupid diets and fail all the time.
MFP gets to the root issue - the calories themselves. So you don't have to try to trick your body with food choice. You just have to log accurately and control yourself. If you choose a burger, maybe you're choosing 900 calories. Maybe you want to eat half of it. Maybe you don't eat 1200 calories of lasagna for dinner when you have only 400 left. Tradeoffs based on knowledge.
Way wow woa... Even a McDonald's McDouble is only 400 calories. What burgers are 900? I'm actually curious.
A Whopper with cheese is 760 calories. That's pretty close.
I'm sure the burger at my favorite restaurant is well over 900. The burger itself is probably thicker than the whole McDouble, plus all the crazy and delicious toppings.0 -
Such a relief to know I can actually achieve a flat stomach and still enjoy a freakin burger.
Yes. What nearly all diet plans/strategies try to do is achieve a calorie deficit through food choice - foods that are difficult to eat enough of to hit a surplus. That can work. But obviously people pick stupid diets and fail all the time.
MFP gets to the root issue - the calories themselves. So you don't have to try to trick your body with food choice. You just have to log accurately and control yourself. If you choose a burger, maybe you're choosing 900 calories. Maybe you want to eat half of it. Maybe you don't eat 1200 calories of lasagna for dinner when you have only 400 left. Tradeoffs based on knowledge.
Way wow woa... Even a McDonald's McDouble is only 400 calories. What burgers are 900? I'm actually curious.
Burger King Flame Broiled Double Whopper
Carl's Jr Original Six Dollar Burger
Five Guys Bacon Cheeseburger0 -
Of course it is ideal to never consume additives, colorings, high amounts of calories, "imitation food" (oreos, kraft singles, boxed meals, etc) but honestly I don't know anyone that can just not eat these things, at all, ever. I don't see a problem with cheat days where of course its monitored so you didn't get your days calories from doritos alone, however I think that we should be trying to move away from these habits. So honestly I would start with cheat days on Saturdays and then go to every other Saturday being your cheat days where you can eat something junky. It's okay to eat more calories than planned occasionally but making sure they are coming from at least half decent sources is pretty important. If you are craving something sweet on your "inbetween" Saturday, treat yourself to a pile of fruit.
That's just what I think though. Nobody is perfect, myself included.
Cookies, cheese and boxed food are imitation foods? Please go on...
First of all I consider food to be something that grows on trees, bushes, in the ground, basically on a plant or something that is classified as an animal (besides human).
Oreos:
SUGAR, UNBLEACHED UNRICHED FLOUR (, WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID) , HIGH OLEIC CONOLA OIL, AND/OR , PALM OIL, AND/OR , CANOLA OIL, AND/OR , SOYBEAN OIL, COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI), HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, CORNSTARCH, LEAVENING (, BAKING SODA, AND/OR , CALCIUM PHOSPHATE) , SALT, SOY LECITHIN, VANILLIN, - AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR , CHOCOLATE
where is the food? Okay there is flour, cornstarch, salt, and chocolate. Seriously can you argue that this fits into the definition of "food"? any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth?
Kraft singles? Stove top stuffing? Hamburger Helper? Cheez-its? Crackers? Chef Boyardee?
Way to cherry pick your examples.
Cookies: Flour, butter, sugar, leavening agent, egg+whateverelseyouwant
Kraft singles is not cheese, it is cheese product.
Hamburger helper is essentially pasta with seasoning in a box. Add ground beef to it.
Crackers? Unleavened bread.
Hamburger Helper is way worse than that and obviously those are the type of things I was talking about. That is why I specified oreos, Kraft singles, and boxed meals. Did I say everything in the grocery store? No. It is a shame that most on this site are more concerned for weight than they are for health.
as far as your other question goes, obviously these people can be healthy if these products don't make the majority of the diet. If you eat hamburger helper once a week, no it isn't going to make much difference. But if you ate oreos as a snack with it and then ate a banquet frozen dinner for lunch, yes it will make a difference. We shouldn't put the definition of health at the lowest bare minimum that we are willing to do, we should strive for better health. If you are on blood pressure medication at 50 years old, that is ultimately your fault except for like the 5% that's hereditary and even then, it was probably sparked by diet. There is no reason to settle for "just enough that I don't have to try and I can still lose weight" when we can cut out additives and toxins and try to reach a level of health that can carry through our lives.
You fail to address that there is Arby's in your food diary.
Your entire statement is solely your opinion.0 -
PS.. My great granddad lived to be over 100 eating unclean foods like cookies, whiskey, little debbie's, sara lee, hamburger healthy etc (that mad had a HUGE sweet tooth). he didnt have weight problems or health problems, low blood pressure. of course those "unhealthy" foods weren't the only things he was eating, but he worked them into his regular diet.
so i call BS on this idea that eating unhealthy stuff automatically makes you unhealthy.
my grandmother smoked all her life, barely drank water (got it from her coffee), ate meats that were left out over night... and she's still alive in her 90s!!! And she still smokes!!!
So did mine, and she died at 68 after a heart attack and a stroke...everything doesn't work for everyone.
Everyone who breathes dies. So......
I agree, but there is a big difference between 68 and 90! I would WAY rather live past 68 and meet my grandkids when I get them! We all need to make decisions for ourselves...if your family history includes certain illnesses then I don't see what can it hurt to live a lifestyle that will combat your particular make up. There is no history of cancer in our family, but we do have a lenghty history on both sides of heart attack, stroke and diabetes. I eat as if I have already been diagnosed and I am the only living person over 30 in my family that doesn't have a cholestoral problem and I will be 50 this year. Two of my cousins are already taking statins to combat a cholesteral issue at 42 and 45 years old...they won't exercise, and both are overweight - I feel that my diet and excercise has a large part to play in how long I will be alive.
I just think there is no right answer for every person...we all have such different heritage and genetic histories that no one thing can possibly be right for everyone.0 -
Eating clean is important for your health, not just weight loss.
If your diet consists of mainly processed, boxed "food" full of preservatives and additives, you will be unhealthy regardless of your weight.
Not only will you be unhealthy, but you will be supporting one of the most corrupt companies in the world. (Monsanto)
Do yourself a favor and eat what comes from the earth. It's not difficult to follow by any means, it's a lifestyle that was followed by our ancestors not so long ago.
Also, the majority of chicken sold in a public market is no where NEAR clean.
How is it "not difficult to follow by any means" to eat "what comes from the earth" and realistically, how many people have access to chickens that are NOT sold in a public market?
Frankly, your definition of "clean" is profoundly difficult for the majority of people.0 -
Of course it is ideal to never consume additives, colorings, high amounts of calories, "imitation food" (oreos, kraft singles, boxed meals, etc) but honestly I don't know anyone that can just not eat these things, at all, ever. I don't see a problem with cheat days where of course its monitored so you didn't get your days calories from doritos alone, however I think that we should be trying to move away from these habits. So honestly I would start with cheat days on Saturdays and then go to every other Saturday being your cheat days where you can eat something junky. It's okay to eat more calories than planned occasionally but making sure they are coming from at least half decent sources is pretty important. If you are craving something sweet on your "inbetween" Saturday, treat yourself to a pile of fruit.
That's just what I think though. Nobody is perfect, myself included.
Cookies, cheese and boxed food are imitation foods? Please go on...
First of all I consider food to be something that grows on trees, bushes, in the ground, basically on a plant or something that is classified as an animal (besides human).
Oreos:
SUGAR, UNBLEACHED UNRICHED FLOUR (, WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID) , HIGH OLEIC CONOLA OIL, AND/OR , PALM OIL, AND/OR , CANOLA OIL, AND/OR , SOYBEAN OIL, COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI), HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, CORNSTARCH, LEAVENING (, BAKING SODA, AND/OR , CALCIUM PHOSPHATE) , SALT, SOY LECITHIN, VANILLIN, - AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR , CHOCOLATE
where is the food? Okay there is flour, cornstarch, salt, and chocolate. Seriously can you argue that this fits into the definition of "food"? any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth?
Kraft singles? Stove top stuffing? Hamburger Helper? Cheez-its? Crackers? Chef Boyardee?
And yet, there's an Arby's sandwich in your food diary...
Edited because I missed the part where you eat animals. Still, I fail to see what tree bread grows on.
Of course it is ideal to never consume additives, colorings, high amounts of calories, "imitation food" (oreos, kraft singles, boxed meals, etc) but honestly I don't know anyone that can just not eat these things, at all, ever. I don't see a problem with cheat days where of course its monitored so you didn't get your days calories from doritos alone, however I think that we should be trying to move away from these habits. So honestly I would start with cheat days on Saturdays and then go to every other Saturday being your cheat days where you can eat something junky. It's okay to eat more calories than planned occasionally but making sure they are coming from at least half decent sources is pretty important. If you are craving something sweet on your "inbetween" Saturday, treat yourself to a pile of fruit.
That's just what I think though. Nobody is perfect, myself included.
please read through that again, I think you missed something there...0 -
PS.. My great granddad lived to be over 100 eating unclean foods like cookies, whiskey, little debbie's, sara lee, hamburger healthy etc (that mad had a HUGE sweet tooth). he didnt have weight problems or health problems, low blood pressure. of course those "unhealthy" foods weren't the only things he was eating, but he worked them into his regular diet.
so i call BS on this idea that eating unhealthy stuff automatically makes you unhealthy.
my grandmother smoked all her life, barely drank water (got it from her coffee), ate meats that were left out over night... and she's still alive in her 90s!!! And she still smokes!!!
So did mine, and she died at 68 after a heart attack and a stroke...everything doesn't work for everyone.
genetics tends to play a pretty big role too. So true, everything doesn't work for everyone, but I think the point is to not go health nut. Some people can live a long healthy life on meat and potatoes, others need to make sure they eat healthy.0 -
Of course it is ideal to never consume additives, colorings, high amounts of calories, "imitation food" (oreos, kraft singles, boxed meals, etc) but honestly I don't know anyone that can just not eat these things, at all, ever. I don't see a problem with cheat days where of course its monitored so you didn't get your days calories from doritos alone, however I think that we should be trying to move away from these habits. So honestly I would start with cheat days on Saturdays and then go to every other Saturday being your cheat days where you can eat something junky. It's okay to eat more calories than planned occasionally but making sure they are coming from at least half decent sources is pretty important. If you are craving something sweet on your "inbetween" Saturday, treat yourself to a pile of fruit.
That's just what I think though. Nobody is perfect, myself included.
Cookies, cheese and boxed food are imitation foods? Please go on...
First of all I consider food to be something that grows on trees, bushes, in the ground, basically on a plant or something that is classified as an animal (besides human).
Oreos:
SUGAR, UNBLEACHED UNRICHED FLOUR (, WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID) , HIGH OLEIC CONOLA OIL, AND/OR , PALM OIL, AND/OR , CANOLA OIL, AND/OR , SOYBEAN OIL, COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI), HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, CORNSTARCH, LEAVENING (, BAKING SODA, AND/OR , CALCIUM PHOSPHATE) , SALT, SOY LECITHIN, VANILLIN, - AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR , CHOCOLATE
where is the food? Okay there is flour, cornstarch, salt, and chocolate. Seriously can you argue that this fits into the definition of "food"? any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth?
Kraft singles? Stove top stuffing? Hamburger Helper? Cheez-its? Crackers? Chef Boyardee?
Way to cherry pick your examples.
Cookies: Flour, butter, sugar, leavening agent, egg+whateverelseyouwant
Kraft singles is not cheese, it is cheese product.
Hamburger helper is essentially pasta with seasoning in a box. Add ground beef to it.
Crackers? Unleavened bread.
Hamburger Helper is way worse than that and obviously those are the type of things I was talking about. That is why I specified oreos, Kraft singles, and boxed meals. Did I say everything in the grocery store? No. It is a shame that most on this site are more concerned for weight than they are for health.
as far as your other question goes, obviously these people can be healthy if these products don't make the majority of the diet. If you eat hamburger helper once a week, no it isn't going to make much difference. But if you ate oreos as a snack with it and then ate a banquet frozen dinner for lunch, yes it will make a difference. We shouldn't put the definition of health at the lowest bare minimum that we are willing to do, we should strive for better health. If you are on blood pressure medication at 50 years old, that is ultimately your fault except for like the 5% that's hereditary and even then, it was probably sparked by diet. There is no reason to settle for "just enough that I don't have to try and I can still lose weight" when we can cut out additives and toxins and try to reach a level of health that can carry through our lives.
You fail to address that there is Arby's in your food diary.
Your entire statement is solely your opinion.
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Such a relief to know I can actually achieve a flat stomach and still enjoy a freakin burger.
Yes. What nearly all diet plans/strategies try to do is achieve a calorie deficit through food choice - foods that are difficult to eat enough of to hit a surplus. That can work. But obviously people pick stupid diets and fail all the time.
MFP gets to the root issue - the calories themselves. So you don't have to try to trick your body with food choice. You just have to log accurately and control yourself. If you choose a burger, maybe you're choosing 900 calories. Maybe you want to eat half of it. Maybe you don't eat 1200 calories of lasagna for dinner when you have only 400 left. Tradeoffs based on knowledge.
Way wow woa... Even a McDonald's McDouble is only 400 calories. What burgers are 900? I'm actually curious.
Burger King Flame Broiled Double Whopper
Carl's Jr Original Six Dollar Burger
Five Guys Bacon Cheeseburger
the first two are probably more than I could eat at one serving.
It's not the "fast foodiness" of these that makes them a bad choice for me, it's the size.0 -
Such a relief to know I can actually achieve a flat stomach and still enjoy a freakin burger.
Yes. What nearly all diet plans/strategies try to do is achieve a calorie deficit through food choice - foods that are difficult to eat enough of to hit a surplus. That can work. But obviously people pick stupid diets and fail all the time.
MFP gets to the root issue - the calories themselves. So you don't have to try to trick your body with food choice. You just have to log accurately and control yourself. If you choose a burger, maybe you're choosing 900 calories. Maybe you want to eat half of it. Maybe you don't eat 1200 calories of lasagna for dinner when you have only 400 left. Tradeoffs based on knowledge.
Way wow woa... Even a McDonald's McDouble is only 400 calories. What burgers are 900? I'm actually curious.
Burger King Flame Broiled Double Whopper
Carl's Jr Original Six Dollar Burger
Five Guys Bacon Cheeseburger
Yep. And step it up out of fast food joints and you get some nice juicy burgers with bacon, cheese, thick buns nom nom nom. I'll note that I'm not trying to lose weight, so a tiny McDouble is like a Mcwastingmytime. Good value on those though.0 -
Better question: Why would you want to? :huh:
For the record, I've never eaten dirt. :bigsmile:0 -
PS.. My great granddad lived to be over 100 eating unclean foods like cookies, whiskey, little debbie's, sara lee, hamburger healthy etc (that mad had a HUGE sweet tooth). he didnt have weight problems or health problems, low blood pressure. of course those "unhealthy" foods weren't the only things he was eating, but he worked them into his regular diet.
so i call BS on this idea that eating unhealthy stuff automatically makes you unhealthy.
my grandmother smoked all her life, barely drank water (got it from her coffee), ate meats that were left out over night... and she's still alive in her 90s!!! And she still smokes!!!
So did mine, and she died at 68 after a heart attack and a stroke...everything doesn't work for everyone.
Everyone who breathes dies. So......
I agree, but there is a big difference between 68 and 90! I would WAY rather live past 68 and meet my grandkids when I get them! We all need to make decisions for ourselves...if your family history includes certain illnesses then I don't see what can it hurt to live a lifestyle that will combat your particular make up. There is no history of cancer in our family, but we do have a lenghty history on both sides of heart attack, stroke and diabetes. I eat as if I have already been diagnosed and I am the only living person over 30 in my family that doesn't have a cholestoral problem and I will be 50 this year. Two of my cousins are already taking statins to combat a cholesteral issue at 42 and 45 years old...they won't exercise, and both are overweight - I feel that my diet and excercise has a large part to play in how long I will be alive.
I just think there is no right answer for every person...we all have such different heritage and genetic histories that no one thing can possibly be right for everyone.
I don't plan on having kids or grandkids so living to 90 doesn't matter to me. I'll live the best that I can but I'm not going to pretend that I won't ever get sick or possibly get some life threatening disease because I don't eat only raw foods or whatever the trend is for the decade.
Plus..there are quite a few other ways people die that has nothing to do with their diet. :laugh:0 -
Of course it is ideal to never consume additives, colorings, high amounts of calories, "imitation food" (oreos, kraft singles, boxed meals, etc) but honestly I don't know anyone that can just not eat these things, at all, ever. I don't see a problem with cheat days where of course its monitored so you didn't get your days calories from doritos alone, however I think that we should be trying to move away from these habits. So honestly I would start with cheat days on Saturdays and then go to every other Saturday being your cheat days where you can eat something junky. It's okay to eat more calories than planned occasionally but making sure they are coming from at least half decent sources is pretty important. If you are craving something sweet on your "inbetween" Saturday, treat yourself to a pile of fruit.
That's just what I think though. Nobody is perfect, myself included.
Cookies, cheese and boxed food are imitation foods? Please go on...
First of all I consider food to be something that grows on trees, bushes, in the ground, basically on a plant or something that is classified as an animal (besides human).
Oreos:
SUGAR, UNBLEACHED UNRICHED FLOUR (, WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID) , HIGH OLEIC CONOLA OIL, AND/OR , PALM OIL, AND/OR , CANOLA OIL, AND/OR , SOYBEAN OIL, COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI), HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, CORNSTARCH, LEAVENING (, BAKING SODA, AND/OR , CALCIUM PHOSPHATE) , SALT, SOY LECITHIN, VANILLIN, - AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR , CHOCOLATE
where is the food? Okay there is flour, cornstarch, salt, and chocolate. Seriously can you argue that this fits into the definition of "food"? any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth?
Kraft singles? Stove top stuffing? Hamburger Helper? Cheez-its? Crackers? Chef Boyardee?
And yet, there's an Arby's sandwich in your food diary...
Edited because I missed the part where you eat animals. Still, I fail to see what tree bread grows on.
Of course it is ideal to never consume additives, colorings, high amounts of calories, "imitation food" (oreos, kraft singles, boxed meals, etc) but honestly I don't know anyone that can just not eat these things, at all, ever. I don't see a problem with cheat days where of course its monitored so you didn't get your days calories from doritos alone, however I think that we should be trying to move away from these habits. So honestly I would start with cheat days on Saturdays and then go to every other Saturday being your cheat days where you can eat something junky. It's okay to eat more calories than planned occasionally but making sure they are coming from at least half decent sources is pretty important. If you are craving something sweet on your "inbetween" Saturday, treat yourself to a pile of fruit.
That's just what I think though. Nobody is perfect, myself included.
please read through that again, I think you missed something there...
I bolded the part that I read. I guess your cheat days include foods you don't consider foods.0 -
Eating clean is important for your health, not just weight loss.
If your diet consists of mainly processed, boxed "food" full of preservatives and additives, you will be unhealthy regardless of your weight.
Not only will you be unhealthy, but you will be supporting one of the most corrupt companies in the world. (Monsanto)
Do yourself a favor and eat what comes from the earth. It's not difficult to follow by any means, it's a lifestyle that was followed by our ancestors not so long ago.
Also, the majority of chicken sold in a public market is no where NEAR clean.
How is it "not difficult to follow by any means" to eat "what comes from the earth" and realistically, how many people have access to chickens that are NOT sold in a public market?
Frankly, your definition of "clean" is profoundly difficult for the majority of people.
Exactly. I do buy chicken from local farms when I can for a number of reasons. "Clean" not being one of them. They are much more expensive than supermarket chicken and only available at certain times of the year. I would not have the money to stock up to buy enough to keep me out through the year. I also buy quarter cows and pigs (which are often cheaper by the pound but again require an initial large payout). These are also only available certain times of the year. Same with vegetables.
It would simply not be possible for me to eat like that year round. Nor would it be financially possible.0 -
I'm not going to spend all day on this thread, but I just want to make it known that even clean eaters or persons that say packaged foods aren't real foods can't do it all the time. I don't understand why people hate on agriculture so much, either. It would be impossible to feed America if it weren't for GMOs or companies like Monsanto, but that discussion is for another thread.0
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PS.. My great granddad lived to be over 100 eating unclean foods like cookies, whiskey, little debbie's, sara lee, hamburger healthy etc (that mad had a HUGE sweet tooth). he didnt have weight problems or health problems, low blood pressure. of course those "unhealthy" foods weren't the only things he was eating, but he worked them into his regular diet.
so i call BS on this idea that eating unhealthy stuff automatically makes you unhealthy.
my grandmother smoked all her life, barely drank water (got it from her coffee), ate meats that were left out over night... and she's still alive in her 90s!!! And she still smokes!!!
So did mine, and she died at 68 after a heart attack and a stroke...everything doesn't work for everyone.
Everyone who breathes dies. So......
I agree, but there is a big difference between 68 and 90! I would WAY rather live past 68 and meet my grandkids when I get them! We all need to make decisions for ourselves...if your family history includes certain illnesses then I don't see what can it hurt to live a lifestyle that will combat your particular make up. There is no history of cancer in our family, but we do have a lenghty history on both sides of heart attack, stroke and diabetes. I eat as if I have already been diagnosed and I am the only living person over 30 in my family that doesn't have a cholestoral problem and I will be 50 this year. Two of my cousins are already taking statins to combat a cholesteral issue at 42 and 45 years old...they won't exercise, and both are overweight - I feel that my diet and excercise has a large part to play in how long I will be alive.
I just think there is no right answer for every person...we all have such different heritage and genetic histories that no one thing can possibly be right for everyone.
I don't plan on having kids or grandkids so living to 90 doesn't matter to me. I'll live the best that I can but I'm not going to pretend that I won't ever get sick or possibly get some life threatening disease because I don't eat only raw foods or whatever the trend is for the decade.
Understood...and I am in no way a "raw food" fanatic. I have just found the key to my success is to only eat like a crazy person two days a week! LOL...it boils down to the fact that I don't have an OFF button once I get started in a day...0 -
I'm not going to spend all day on this thread, but I just want to make it known that even clean eaters or persons that say packaged foods aren't real foods can't do it all the time. I don't understand why people hate on agriculture so much, either. It would be impossible to feed America if it weren't for GMOs or companies like Monsanto, but that discussion is for another thread.
Thanks for your insight! I appreciate it.0 -
I'm curious,
I originally lost weight, went from 150 to 110 pounds a couple of years ago. I ate CLEAN, I mostly just ate salads, fruit salads, and chicken.
Then, I gained the weight back, not only was I not eating enough calories when I lost the weight, I was depriving myself of everything I loved. Pasta, burgers, Pizza etc.
Now, I'm losing weight again, I'm at 130 from 137 and I haven't been eating clean at all.
If I crave a burger, I will have one. I have cheat days on Saturdays.
I see some people say they eat egg whites, chicken for lunch (plain chicken), chicken for dinner EVERYDAY. How is that sustainable? If you can do it, good for you, but I would lose my mind.
I want to lose weight the right way this time, but can I actually achieve the body I want eating everything I want in moderation, or do I have to eat "clean"?
I'm not sure what eating 'clean' actually means. It seems to depend on who you ask.
You are losing weight therefore whatever you are doing is working for you.
I eat whatever I want but keep within my TDEE. It works for me, I've lost 43lbs so far this year with 18lbs to go to target.
Losing weight and keeping it off is a life time commitment so whatever you do has to be sustainable, healthy and nutritious - but with plenty room for a few of the so-called 'naughty' things.
I've just eaten a bag of Cadbury's chocolate buttons (75 cals) - so shoot me!!!!0 -
PS.. My great granddad lived to be over 100 eating unclean foods like cookies, whiskey, little debbie's, sara lee, hamburger healthy etc (that mad had a HUGE sweet tooth). he didnt have weight problems or health problems, low blood pressure. of course those "unhealthy" foods weren't the only things he was eating, but he worked them into his regular diet.
so i call BS on this idea that eating unhealthy stuff automatically makes you unhealthy.
my grandmother smoked all her life, barely drank water (got it from her coffee), ate meats that were left out over night... and she's still alive in her 90s!!! And she still smokes!!!
So did mine, and she died at 68 after a heart attack and a stroke...everything doesn't work for everyone.
genetics tends to play a pretty big role too. So true, everything doesn't work for everyone, but I think the point is to not go health nut. Some people can live a long healthy life on meat and potatoes, others need to make sure they eat healthy.
EXACTLY!0 -
Of course it is ideal to never consume additives, colorings, high amounts of calories, "imitation food" (oreos, kraft singles, boxed meals, etc) but honestly I don't know anyone that can just not eat these things, at all, ever. I don't see a problem with cheat days where of course its monitored so you didn't get your days calories from doritos alone, however I think that we should be trying to move away from these habits. So honestly I would start with cheat days on Saturdays and then go to every other Saturday being your cheat days where you can eat something junky. It's okay to eat more calories than planned occasionally but making sure they are coming from at least half decent sources is pretty important. If you are craving something sweet on your "inbetween" Saturday, treat yourself to a pile of fruit.
That's just what I think though. Nobody is perfect, myself included.
Cookies, cheese and boxed food are imitation foods? Please go on...
First of all I consider food to be something that grows on trees, bushes, in the ground, basically on a plant or something that is classified as an animal (besides human).
Oreos:
SUGAR, UNBLEACHED UNRICHED FLOUR (, WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID) , HIGH OLEIC CONOLA OIL, AND/OR , PALM OIL, AND/OR , CANOLA OIL, AND/OR , SOYBEAN OIL, COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI), HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, CORNSTARCH, LEAVENING (, BAKING SODA, AND/OR , CALCIUM PHOSPHATE) , SALT, SOY LECITHIN, VANILLIN, - AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR , CHOCOLATE
where is the food? Okay there is flour, cornstarch, salt, and chocolate. Seriously can you argue that this fits into the definition of "food"? any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth?
Kraft singles? Stove top stuffing? Hamburger Helper? Cheez-its? Crackers? Chef Boyardee?
And yet, there's an Arby's sandwich in your food diary...
Edited because I missed the part where you eat animals. Still, I fail to see what tree bread grows on.
Of course it is ideal to never consume additives, colorings, high amounts of calories, "imitation food" (oreos, kraft singles, boxed meals, etc) but honestly I don't know anyone that can just not eat these things, at all, ever. I don't see a problem with cheat days where of course its monitored so you didn't get your days calories from doritos alone, however I think that we should be trying to move away from these habits. So honestly I would start with cheat days on Saturdays and then go to every other Saturday being your cheat days where you can eat something junky. It's okay to eat more calories than planned occasionally but making sure they are coming from at least half decent sources is pretty important. If you are craving something sweet on your "inbetween" Saturday, treat yourself to a pile of fruit.
That's just what I think though. Nobody is perfect, myself included.
please read through that again, I think you missed something there...
I bolded the part that I read. I guess your cheat days include foods you don't consider foods.
"Of course it is ideal to never consume additives, colorings, high amounts of calories, "imitation food" (oreos, kraft singles, boxed meals, etc) but honestly I don't know anyone that can just not eat these things, at all, ever."
"Nobody is perfect, myself included."
let me break this down for you a bit since you're having trouble. I am not saying that I don't eat those things, I'm simply stating they are bad.0 -
Mushrooms are neither plants nor animals.0
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No, you do not need to eat whatever your definition of 'clean' is.
Well, what's your definition of clean?
there are a million of them...for example, you mentioned eating a burger and that being unclean...what is unclean about ground beef? Many a paleo follower (clean eating) consumes ground beef...there is nothing inherently "unclean" about it.
The problem with "clean" eating is the demonization of certain foods...even foods that are perfectly good and healthy for you. There was a "clean eater" here the other day arguing with me that colored vegetables in excess would be considered "unclean"...and really, veggies in general needed to be raw to be considered "clean"...see...just too much derp.
Just eat a balanced diet chalk full of nutrient dense whole foods (including hamburger...last time I checked, beef was a whole food) and enjoy some pizza or ice cream or whatever on occasion....it's really not this hard and I don't understand people's insistence that a proper diet has to be all about food deprivation or else it's "unclean" or some other derpness.0
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