3 questions for Ladies who Lift...
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LOL at everyone who doesn't curl or fly. Remember people, accessory work is also good for you. I like to hit my compounds first and then finish out the fatigue with accessory/iso work. My strength has increased quite well in my compound lifts with a combination of both.
Curl - 30-35lb dumbbells, 45-60lb barbells
Fly - 25-35lb dumbbells
Lifting - Consistently since 9/2011
I do plenty of accessory work, but I don't do either of those so I don't see why it matters to do those two specifically. The compounds hit those areas quite nicely without me having to spend too much time fussing on it.0 -
How much you can/should be lifting is depending on your current body weight/muscle development. This is a good reference:
http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards.html0 -
LOL at everyone who doesn't curl or fly. Remember people, accessory work is also good for you. I like to hit my compounds first and then finish out the fatigue with accessory/iso work. My strength has increased quite well in my compound lifts with a combination of both.
Curl - 30-35lb dumbbells, 45-60lb barbells
Fly - 25-35lb dumbbells
Lifting - Consistently since 9/2011
I do plenty of accessory work, but I don't do either of those so I don't see why it matters to do those two specifically. The compounds hit those areas quite nicely without me having to spend too much time fussing on it.
He's a guy. Our curls and flys are like your "glute bridges" and "hip thrusts". Nothing wrong with it, it's just accessory work on the parts that are undertrained, or that we want to develop a bit more.
OP needs to be concerned with, and start with, the basics for now though.0 -
LOL at everyone who doesn't curl or fly. Remember people, accessory work is also good for you. I like to hit my compounds first and then finish out the fatigue with accessory/iso work. My strength has increased quite well in my compound lifts with a combination of both.
Curl - 30-35lb dumbbells, 45-60lb barbells
Fly - 25-35lb dumbbells
Lifting - Consistently since 9/2011
I do plenty of accessory work, but I don't do either of those so I don't see why it matters to do those two specifically. The compounds hit those areas quite nicely without me having to spend too much time fussing on it.
compounds don't really hit biceps.
And even then I don't feel satisfied with the amount of chest work with bench only- only because I am limited on my pushing.
I curl maybe 2x a month- it's a LOW priority- but I do do them.
I do fly's more regularly- but I prefer the cross cable work than machine flys.
Compounds are GREAT. I'm a HUGE compound lifter- but the reality is- if you are trying to improve different body parts- specific accessory work is necessary- particularly biceps- that's the biggest weak point of compounds I would say.
Edit- I agree who said if you are a newb- don't bother with them for now.0 -
LOL at everyone who doesn't curl or fly. Remember people, accessory work is also good for you. I like to hit my compounds first and then finish out the fatigue with accessory/iso work. My strength has increased quite well in my compound lifts with a combination of both.
Curl - 30-35lb dumbbells, 45-60lb barbells
Fly - 25-35lb dumbbells
Lifting - Consistently since 9/2011
I do plenty of accessory work, but I don't do either of those so I don't see why it matters to do those two specifically. The compounds hit those areas quite nicely without me having to spend too much time fussing on it.
He's a guy. Our curls and flys are like your "glute bridges" and "hip thrusts". Nothing wrong with it, it's just accessory work on the parts that are undertrained, or that we want to develop a bit more.
OP needs to be concerned with, and start with, the basics for now though.
The poster LOLing is female.0 -
He's a guy. Our curls and flys are like your "glute bridges" and "hip thrusts". Nothing wrong with it, it's just accessory work on the parts that are undertrained, or that we want to develop a bit more.
OP needs to be concerned with, and start with, the basics for now though.
curls, fly's, glute bridges and hip thrusters are not gender specific.
I've seen men doing bridge lifts and women doing curls.0 -
LOL at everyone who doesn't curl or fly. Remember people, accessory work is also good for you. I like to hit my compounds first and then finish out the fatigue with accessory/iso work. My strength has increased quite well in my compound lifts with a combination of both.
I agree. It's almost like there's this attitude that if you lift using Barbells that's ALL you should do. I agree Compounds should make up the majority of your lifts but there's nothing wrong with doing isolation work as well. In fact, I have a dedicated day for Arms in my current workout plan & LOL if that angers some people!
I got my arms from doing isolation work. I got my strength from doing compounds. Seriously.0 -
I think these are silly questions to ask since you really can't compare nor should you...
but since I spent a whole truckload of time farting around with accessory work over the last year (with a specific goal, mind you)...
curl 30 lb dumbbells
fly 30 lb dumbbells (didn't do the machine)
post injury time lifting: 16 months0 -
LOL at everyone who doesn't curl or fly. Remember people, accessory work is also good for you. I like to hit my compounds first and then finish out the fatigue with accessory/iso work. My strength has increased quite well in my compound lifts with a combination of both.
Curl - 30-35lb dumbbells, 45-60lb barbells
Fly - 25-35lb dumbbells
Lifting - Consistently since 9/2011
I do plenty of accessory work, but I don't do either of those so I don't see why it matters to do those two specifically. The compounds hit those areas quite nicely without me having to spend too much time fussing on it.
compounds don't really hit biceps.
And even then I don't feel satisfied with the amount of chest work with bench only- only because I am limited on my pushing.
I curl maybe 2x a month- it's a LOW priority- but I do do them.
I do fly's more regularly- but I prefer the cross cable work than machine flys.
Compounds are GREAT. I'm a HUGE compound lifter- but the reality is- if you are trying to improve different body parts- specific accessory work is necessary- particularly biceps- that's the biggest weak point of compounds I would say.
Edit- I agree who said if you are a newb- don't bother with them for now.
Please notice where I did say that I do accessory work, so I don't know why I need further instruction on needing to do accessory work. I've been pretty satisfied with my biceps without having to do curls as well, so far, and I haven't had many complaints on my chest either. I do accessory to try to improve my OHP because I have had a hard time getting past 70lb, but that does not include flyes right now, if we have to get into it.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with people doing them. I'm just LOLing at the general populace of lifters who don't being LOLed at for not doing those two specifically.0 -
LOL at everyone who doesn't curl or fly. Remember people, accessory work is also good for you. I like to hit my compounds first and then finish out the fatigue with accessory/iso work. My strength has increased quite well in my compound lifts with a combination of both.
Curl - 30-35lb dumbbells, 45-60lb barbells
Fly - 25-35lb dumbbells
Lifting - Consistently since 9/2011
I do plenty of accessory work, but I don't do either of those so I don't see why it matters to do those two specifically. The compounds hit those areas quite nicely without me having to spend too much time fussing on it.
He's a guy. Our curls and flys are like your "glute bridges" and "hip thrusts". Nothing wrong with it, it's just accessory work on the parts that are undertrained, or that we want to develop a bit more.
OP needs to be concerned with, and start with, the basics for now though.
Who's a guy? The OP? Weird, I guess I should have looked at that closer since they started a topic that said "3 questions for ladies who lift". For some reason, I thought they were a female.
ETA: Yup, just checked, OP is a female. So now color me doubly confused.0 -
Do not curl. Do not fly. I do plenty of accessory work with rows, chin-ups, dips, hip thrusts etc. but my current PRs are
Squat - 195
Deadlift - 240
Bench - 110
OHP - 850 -
Dead lift 154lbs
OHP 55lbs
Squat 110lbs
Bench press 55lbs
Pendlay row 66lbs
DD curl 20lb
Fly 18lb0 -
Please notice where I did say that I do accessory work, so I don't know why I need further instruction on needing to do accessory work. I've been pretty satisfied with my biceps without having to do curls as well, so far, and I haven't had many complaints on my chest either. I do accessory to try to improve my OHP because I have had a hard time getting past 70lb, but that does not include flyes right now, if we have to get into it.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with people doing them. I'm just LOLing at the general populace of lifters who don't being LOLed at for not doing those two specifically.
woah.
calm down. I didn't give you instruction anywhere. "you" was generic. not you specifically.
You said compounds hit biceps.
They don't. Compounds do NOT satisfactorily hit the biceps if you are trying to do more sculpting. I wasn't giving you advice on how to do it- I was just stating a fact.
If you are strength only? compound all week long.
no you don't have to do them- but doing compounds only as an advanced lifter is not going to get you everything you want unless your ONLY goal is pure strength numbers on THOSE lifts.
Secondly- if you are a girl- Almost no one is going to complain about your chest. ever. seriously. that's just stupid.
And to be honest- every compound lifter I know in real life- includes them to some degree because biceps are the weakest point on compound lifting. I'm not going to LOL anyone for NOT curling- but it's one of those things of which you need to be aware.
What you do for your program? your business.0 -
1) what type of curl? typically DD are 20-30 lbs, BB 30-40lbs
2) dd fly, 20lb. Fly machine, 40-45lb
3) since Feb
Is this a one rep max or what? This information is useless unless you tell us how many reps you're doing.
Also, not sure which kind of flye we're refering to since there are a couple and can work different muscle groups....
Dumbbell curls: 15's usually 3 sets of 10-12
Incline Chest Dumbbell Flye: 15's 3 sets of 12
Chest Dumbbell Flye (flat bench): 15's 3 sets of 12
Lifting since 2005 (give or take some several month breaks)0 -
1. 15-20pounds
2. I don't do flyes
3. Nearly two years0 -
I've contemplated added bicep curls into my routine for mainly vanity reasons but then I wonder if I should also do triceps then, and yeah, ain't nobody got time for that...0
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LOL at everyone who doesn't curl or fly. Remember people, accessory work is also good for you. I like to hit my compounds first and then finish out the fatigue with accessory/iso work. My strength has increased quite well in my compound lifts with a combination of both.
Curl - 30-35lb dumbbells, 45-60lb barbells
Fly - 25-35lb dumbbells
Lifting - Consistently since 9/2011
LOL at anyone who thinks the weight you use on curls or flyes matters.
Lifting consistently since I was 13 ('98)0 -
LOL at everyone who doesn't curl or fly. Remember people, accessory work is also good for you. I like to hit my compounds first and then finish out the fatigue with accessory/iso work. My strength has increased quite well in my compound lifts with a combination of both.
Curl - 30-35lb dumbbells, 45-60lb barbells
Fly - 25-35lb dumbbells
Lifting - Consistently since 9/2011
I do plenty of accessory work, but I don't do either of those so I don't see why it matters to do those two specifically. The compounds hit those areas quite nicely without me having to spend too much time fussing on it.
He's a guy. Our curls and flys are like your "glute bridges" and "hip thrusts". Nothing wrong with it, it's just accessory work on the parts that are undertrained, or that we want to develop a bit more.
OP needs to be concerned with, and start with, the basics for now though.
Who's a guy? The OP? Weird, I guess I should have looked at that closer since they started a topic that said "3 questions for ladies who lift". For some reason, I thought they were a female.
ETA: Yup, just checked, OP is a female. So now color me doubly confused.
The post you're confused about wasn't referring to the original post. It was a reference to this post.. I've c/p it below.LOL at everyone who doesn't curl or fly. Remember people, accessory work is also good for you. I like to hit my compounds first and then finish out the fatigue with accessory/iso work. My strength has increased quite well in my compound lifts with a combination of both.
Curl - 30-35lb dumbbells, 45-60lb barbells
Fly - 25-35lb dumbbells
Lifting - Consistently since 9/2011
Ah, yeah, that poster is also a woman.0 -
I've contemplated added bicep curls into my routine for mainly vanity reasons but then I wonder if I should also do triceps then, and yeah, ain't nobody got time for that...
dips- chest and tri's
bam- totally justifiable!!!0 -
LOL at everyone who doesn't curl or fly. Remember people, accessory work is also good for you. I like to hit my compounds first and then finish out the fatigue with accessory/iso work. My strength has increased quite well in my compound lifts with a combination of both.
I agree. It's almost like there's this attitude that if you lift using Barbells that's ALL you should do. I agree Compounds should make up the majority of your lifts but there's nothing wrong with doing isolation work as well. In fact, I have a dedicated day for Arms in my current workout plan & LOL if that angers some people!
I got my arms from doing isolation work. I got my strength from doing compounds. Seriously.
I actually got mine from mainly compound work.
However, I agree that isolation work is an important aspect of a routine, depending on your goals and your 'lifting life'. I just don't see that it is necessary to do curls - there are other ways to hit biceps.0 -
Secondly- if you are a girl- Almost no one is going to complain about your chest. ever. seriously. that's just stupid.
I wasn't talking about other people complaining about my chest. I was talking about in my own strength progression regarding furthering my lifts.0 -
1) what type of curl? typically DD are 20-30 lbs, BB 30-40lbs
2) dd fly, 20lb. Fly machine, 40-45lb
3) since Feb
Is this a one rep max or what? This information is useless unless you tell us how many reps you're doing.
Also, not sure which kind of flye we're refering to since there are a couple and can work different muscle groups....
Dumbbell curls: 15's usually 3 sets of 10-12
Incline Chest Dumbbell Flye: 15's 3 sets of 12
Chest Dumbbell Flye (flat bench): 15's 3 sets of 12
Lifting since 2005 (give or take some several month breaks)
typically 3 sets (each), reps of 8-12. If i can get to 15, it's time to move up 5 lbs
unless I'm doing squats or deadlifts, then I start of 15 lbs under and work up to the weight I did last - reps of 5-8. My reason (in case anyone wonders or fuss @ me) both of those exercises are PAINFUL to me. Squats on my R knee & L shoulder and DL's on my hip (which is odd). I have a spinal fusion (scoliosis) w/ arthritis so I am taking things gently.0 -
Lol, I don't bother with Triceps. Honestly they get hit so directly on bench & press that I have a hard time justifying direct work on them. Again, given my goals. I want nice strong, sizable tris, but I trust this will come with a 225+ bench.0
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The poster LOLing is female.
Son of a bi... could we please keep the profile images to something a little more traditionally gender specific so this doesn't keep happening to me?! LMAO
Edit: Wait... why DID I think that was a dude? Whatever, workout what you like lol. Just make sure your focus is on compound movements, the truely heavy and important ones.0 -
Lol, I don't bother with Triceps. Honestly they get hit so directly on bench & press that I have a hard time justifying direct work on them. Again, given my goals. I want nice strong, sizable tris, but I trust this will come with a 225+ bench.
Elbow longevity.
You'll see.0 -
Hmmm... there are much more important lifts to worry about then bicep curls and flys... even the amount of pushups would be a better indicator of strength...
I guess I would use 25-30lb dumbells for curls...
I would focus more on what your deadlifts, squats, presses, rows, and benches are. Much more telling of your strength and power.0 -
I need a goal to shoot for..so please tell me the following: 1) how much weight do you curl? 2) how much do you flye? 3) How long have you been lifting?
Well I do a modified, stronglifts (2 day split) program.
But occasionally I add accessory into my routine:
Curl (rarely, if I do it's the EZ bar, 40lbs)
Flye ( I use a flye machine since I had a bad experience doing DB flyes on a bench after ab work, 40-50lbs)
Been lifting seriously since this summer.0 -
Lol, I don't bother with Triceps. Honestly they get hit so directly on bench & press that I have a hard time justifying direct work on them. Again, given my goals. I want nice strong, sizable tris, but I trust this will come with a 225+ bench.
Elbow longevity.
You'll see.
Wait, what? Are you saying I'm going to be hurting my elbows by doing tri iso or not?0 -
I need a goal to shoot for..so please tell me the following: 1) how much weight do you curl? 2) how much do you flye? 3) How long have you been lifting?
1) I usually curl with a barbell - 30-40lbs. Curl for dumbbells are usually 20-25lbs.
2) I do cable flys/dumbell flys at about 20-30lbs.
3) I've been lifiting for about 2 years.
everyone is different. not everyone is on the same lifting level as others. I worked my way up to those amounts0 -
Lol, I don't bother with Triceps. Honestly they get hit so directly on bench & press that I have a hard time justifying direct work on them. Again, given my goals. I want nice strong, sizable tris, but I trust this will come with a 225+ bench.
Elbow longevity.
You'll see.
Wait, what? Are you saying I'm going to be hurting my elbows by doing tri iso or not?
You are at risk for elbow (and shoulder) problems by benching. Doing iso tri work can help mitigate some of that.0
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