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  • delicious_cocktail
    delicious_cocktail Posts: 5,797 Member
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    More info for those that seek it and are ignoring all the hyperbole:

    http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2009/06/8187/obesity-and-metabolic-syndrome-driven-fructose-sugar-diet
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/20/sugar-deadly-obesity-epidemic
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/is-sugar-a-toxin-experts-debate-the-role-of-fructose-in-our-obesity-epidemic/2013/08/30/58a906d6-f952-11e2-afc1-c850c6ee5af8_story.html

    Nice response. You post studies that don't support your assertion and then when you are challenged, you just post more links. Why don't I research every piece of trash that you throw at me to continue proving that you're full of it?

    I've enjoyed this chat.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
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    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673600040411

    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=199296

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3623194

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/4/537.short

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v482/n7383/full/482027a.html?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20120202



    Thanks! This is what I miss in so many posts.

    You miss people posting links that either don't prove what they claim the prove or are ridiculous?

    Because I actually see a lot of that around here.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    More info for those that seek it and are ignoring all the hyperbole:

    http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2009/06/8187/obesity-and-metabolic-syndrome-driven-fructose-sugar-diet
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/20/sugar-deadly-obesity-epidemic
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/is-sugar-a-toxin-experts-debate-the-role-of-fructose-in-our-obesity-epidemic/2013/08/30/58a906d6-f952-11e2-afc1-c850c6ee5af8_story.html

    Nice response. You post studies that don't support your assertion and then when you are challenged, you just post more links. Why don't I research every piece of trash that you throw at me to continue proving that you're full of it?

    I've enjoyed this chat.

    No doubt...and there are a seemingly infinite number of "articles" he could post too, all of them as flawed in conclusion (or in his belief that they support his conclusion) as those already provided.
  • fruttibiscotti
    fruttibiscotti Posts: 987 Member
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    Studies

    Stanhope KL, et al. Consuming fructose-sweetened, not glucose-sweetened, beverages increases visceral adiposity and lipids and decreases insulin sensitivity in overweight/obese humans. Journal of Clinical Investigation, 2009.

    Stanhope KL, et al. Adverse metabolic effects of dietary fructose: results from the recent epidemiological, clinical, and mechanistic studies. Current Opinion in Lipidology, 2013.

    Ludwig DS, et al. Relation between consumption of sugar-sweetened drinks and childhood obesity: a prospective, observational analysis. The Lancet, 2001.

    Schulze MB, et al. Sugar-Sweetened Beverages, Weight Gain, and Incidence of Type 2 Diabetes in Young and Middle-Aged Women. Journal of the American Medical Association, 2004.

    Bostick RM, et al. Sweetened beverage consumption and risk of coronary heart disease in women. Cancer Causes & Control, 1994.

    Fung TT, et al. Sugar, meat, and fat intake, and non-dietary risk factors for colon cancer incidence in Iowa women. The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2009.
  • delicious_cocktail
    delicious_cocktail Posts: 5,797 Member
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    Is there some new game going around where we post a list of studies and expect other people to develop our arguments for us? WTF?
  • delicious_cocktail
    delicious_cocktail Posts: 5,797 Member
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    Studies

    Stanhope KL, et al. Consuming fructose-sweetened, not glucose-sweetened, beverages increases visceral adiposity and lipids and decreases insulin sensitivity in overweight/obese humans. Journal of Clinical Investigation, 2009.

    Stanhope KL, et al. Adverse metabolic effects of dietary fructose: results from the recent epidemiological, clinical, and mechanistic studies. Current Opinion in Lipidology, 2013.

    Ludwig DS, et al. Relation between consumption of sugar-sweetened drinks and childhood obesity: a prospective, observational analysis. The Lancet, 2001.

    Schulze MB, et al. Sugar-Sweetened Beverages, Weight Gain, and Incidence of Type 2 Diabetes in Young and Middle-Aged Women. Journal of the American Medical Association, 2004.

    Bostick RM, et al. Sweetened beverage consumption and risk of coronary heart disease in women. Cancer Causes & Control, 1994.

    Fung TT, et al. Sugar, meat, and fat intake, and non-dietary risk factors for colon cancer incidence in Iowa women. The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2009.

    Hi! Since our other friend wandered off, can you please tell me what your core assertion is and how any specific one of these studies supports it?
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    Is there some new game going around where we post a list of studies and expect other people to develop our arguments for us? WTF?

    I guess this works on some people.

    Me? I immediately assume that the cites are misinterpreted or irrelevant...otherwise, they would feel more strongly about their position to take the time to type a few words about it.

    I recognize a few of the most recently posted cites...(the ones without links making it even more challenging)...as being irrelevant to consumption in moderation, like say, for example, A DIET W/ MEASURED CALORIES SUCH AS YOU WOULD FIND ON A SITE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO TRACK CALORIES.

    *ahem*
  • skullshank
    skullshank Posts: 4,324 Member
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    stumbled on this little tidbit on the scientific american blog:

    "In a small but intriguing study, 17 adults in South Africa ate primarily fruit—about 20 servings with approximately 200 grams of total fructose each day—for 24 weeks and did not gain weight, develop high blood pressure or imbalance their insulin and lipid levels."

    granted, the study is 40-something years old....

    but isn't 200gr quite a bit?
    personally, i shoot for ~40gr/day

    here's all the sciency stuff that's over my head: http://archive.samj.org.za/1971 VOL XLV Jan-Jun/Articles/03 March/1.3 SOME BIOCHEMICAL EFFECTS OF A MAINLY FRUIT DIET IN MAN, B.J.Meyer, .E.J.F. de Bruin, D.G. du .pdf
  • RhonndaJ
    RhonndaJ Posts: 1,615 Member
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    I have started to think that while sugar is not a bad thing, the reality that sugar exacerbates cravings in a lot of people exists. So, more sugar in the diet, more cravings, more eating. Vicious cycle.

    No, no sources, nothing more than my babbling brain.

    Good thing we're on a calorie counting website and can make food choices based on daily goals.

    *puts more sugar into tea*

    Which is why I don't really understand some of these threads, but they're interesting and/or entertaining to read at times and occasionally comment on.

    ~uses sugar, splenda as I feel like it~
  • harveler
    harveler Posts: 9
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    Is there some new game going around where we post a list of studies and expect other people to develop our arguments for us? WTF?

    Yes, you win when you post evidence supporing your claim. So far you and the others "arguing" against the overwhelming evidence of the link between sugar and obesity have failed to cite a single scrap of proof to support their claims (name calling, dissecting legitimate studies with assumptions, semantic slanting, and posting jokes and GIFs don't cut it).
  • jeffd247
    jeffd247 Posts: 319 Member
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    How can anyone argue with some dude in an Amish hat with an angry face, and another dude whose avatar is just a picture of his junk?
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
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    Looks like this needs to be posted again:

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  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
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    Completely irrelevant as we are specifically discussing sugar. Stay with me here.

    It will be much easier to stay with you if you will use the "quote" link instead of "reply".



    Also, for the record, I disagree with most of your conclusions in this thread so far...

    ...I'm just not arsed enough to rebut each of your bogus points. Fortunately, for everyone involved, I'm sure others will be along shortly to do just that.

    i will not dignify anymore semantic slants with response...

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  • PetulantOne
    PetulantOne Posts: 2,131 Member
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    *sigh*

    When will moderation become the next fad?
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
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    How can anyone argue with some dude in an Amish hat with an angry face, and another dude whose avatar is just a picture of his junk?

    Angry face? Hmm. IDK. Doesn't look angry to me.
  • MyChocolateDiet
    MyChocolateDiet Posts: 22,281 Member
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    So, I was sitting on the couch with my mother last night. She is a huge proponent of eating healthy and exercise, and she knows how many problems I've had with my weight loss. She tossed an issue of National Geographic into my lap with the cover being a yummy looking cupcake with pink frosting and she told me to read it.


    "Sugar, A Not so Sweet Story" was the title. I chuckled. I began to read. I figured it would just rehash whatever stuff I'd heard before --- carbs are the enemy, pop is bad, America is fat, et al. I was soon to be proven dreadfully wrong. The article, which is quite a good read (I will contain a link in this post to it on the NG website), details the problems with sugar in today's diet --- everything from added sugar, corn syrup, sucralose, and all of those other sugar chemicals. It tells of how diabetes and other health problems are arising --- due to an excessively high amount of sugar in the food we eat. It even discusses how the slave trade began, because of a demand for sugar. Most doctors are********************** now ***********************agreeing that sugar, not fat, is the main reason for weight gain, diabetes, and a host of cardiovascular problems. It is a food for thought story. Please read it --- it's a very good article

    I figured to post in this thread since it is directly related to food and eating.


    ENJOY! :D

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/08/sugar/cohen-text

    In the past they were agreeing it was fat. In the future they will be agreeing it's something else. These demon foods that are a normal part of our diet get about a decades worth of bad press and then it's onto the next food villain. I guess it's sugar's turn right now. Wonder what it'll be next? Protein or veggies. It has to be a mainstay. I noticed that. It's always something we have eaten for centuries, like bread, or fats, or in this case sugar. Maybe water will be next, or wine, IDK.
  • delicious_cocktail
    delicious_cocktail Posts: 5,797 Member
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    Is there some new game going around where we post a list of studies and expect other people to develop our arguments for us? WTF?

    Yes, you win when you post evidence supporing your claim. So far you and the others "arguing" against the overwhelming evidence of the link between sugar and obesity have failed to cite a single scrap of proof to support their claims (name calling, dissecting legitimate studies with assumptions, semantic slanting, and posting jokes and GIFs don't cut it).

    European Association for the Study of Obesity (2009, May 8). Increased Food Intake Alone Explains Rise In Obesity In United States

    This means I win, right?
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
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    Is there some new game going around where we post a list of studies and expect other people to develop our arguments for us? WTF?

    Yes, you win when you post evidence supporing your claim. So far you and the others "arguing" against the overwhelming evidence of the link between sugar and obesity have failed to cite a single scrap of proof to support their claims (name calling, dissecting legitimate studies with assumptions, semantic slanting, and posting jokes and GIFs don't cut it).

    You are the one who is making the claim that sugar is the cause for the obesity epidemic. The burden of proof is upon you.
  • LiftAllThePizzas
    LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
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    In to find out how eating 10,000 calories of fat and protein a day will prevent diabetes.
  • Tigg_er
    Tigg_er Posts: 22,001 Member
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    How can anyone argue with some dude in an Amish hat with an angry face, and another dude whose avatar is just a picture of his junk?

    Now that cracked me up :laugh:

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