Women Hate

SymphonynSonata

I have a friend from India, born and raised. He got his wife pregnant and began telling me about how in their culture they really do not want daughters; and that if they were to have a boy it would be an absolute blessing from God. To have a girl would put shame on their family.

So, I thought he was pretty much BSing around, or maybe it was just a defect/personal dislike towards the idea of having a daughter. Whatever.

I watched The Dictator, and I laughed a lot, and then he says to his pregnant wife, "So, is it a boy or an abortion?"

I watched a documentary on Netflix called "Its a girl!" (or something) and evidently in China people will take their new born baby girls, put them into a box and float them down the river to get rid of them. In India, they just strangle and/or suffocate the baby.

I'm so taken aback and disgusted by this entire idea of entire populations of people sharing similar ideals of hating women. What does that do for the self esteem of their women? I've always noticed Indian women (and, hell, Chinese) are pretty stand offish and quiet. I figured that was just an Indian/Chinese thing - but now I wonder if its because they feel worthless being raised in a society that has no qualms about expressing their hatred for their gender.

Thoughts?

Sinisterly

I'm still adopting a little Chinese girl later in life, no matter who the hell I end up with or if I end up alone.

Tigerman999

Some other countries are sick, and still remove the female parts that make sex enjoyable for them

SymphonynSonata

Some other countries are sick, and still remove the female parts that make sex enjoyable for them

Oh yeah, I forgot all about that. W.T.F????????????

DMZ_1

Cultures that do not value baby daughters are not great in my opinion. Baby daughters should be valued as much as baby sons.

DjinnMarie

This has been going on since the dawn of civilization. Its not that they "hate" girls, but they pride boys. Boys carry on the family line, and are the money makers. Girls in these cultures cost money and provide very little contribution to the family, unless its producing male offspring.

mumblemagic

One of the social problems in a society that destroys its female infants is that you end up with too few women of marriageable (aka breeding) age a few years down the line. I read somewhere that this can cause an increase in rape as there are a large number of young men who are not sexually satisfied and have no prospect of becoming so through legitimate means. Also, although dowries are common and traditional in many parts of india, the opposite is become prevalent in some parts i.e. women of marriageable age are so rare that people are having to buy their sons a wife.

SrJoben

I never really understood how this works. You can't have a son unless someone had a daughter. Even if you value men, should not women, the people who produce men be valued?

Beyond my repugnance I just find the whole thing confusing. It's very bite the hand that feeds.

journey_man

I really mean no offense, but you're just now discovering patriarchy (and misogyny) at 22 years old? Where have you been?

DjinnMarie

I really mean no offense, but you're just now discovering patriarchy (and misogyny) at 22 years old? Where have you been?

In america's public school system.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

_TastySnoBalls_

I saw a clip on this subject a week or so ago. They were talking about how in some rural towns in India, the men have no women to marry because there are none! If ultrasound shows that the fetus is female they force the woman to have an abortion.

19TaraLynn84

Very, very heart-breaking! Those cultures will be dead before long. They won't allow enough females to live to reproduce enough people to carry on. They are shooting themselves in the foot. Or, as someone else already mentioned, they are biting the hands that feed them.

latewinterwolf

i think its china(i could be wrong) but a daughter cant carry on the family company the son has to / should so if they have a daughter they usually go and adopt a son or something. but yeah some countries are just completely messed up. the only thing i like about china is the one baby limit

PhearlessPhreaks

I'm with you, Symphony. It absolutely breaks my heart that these things happen. I have two daughters and I cannot imagine loving them any less than I would a son. And don't even get me started on child brides. Absolutely sickening and heartbreaking.

tapirfrog

I saw a clip on this subject a week or so ago. They were talking about how in some rural towns in India, the men have no women to marry because there are none! If ultrasound shows that the fetus is female they force the woman to have an abortion.

As a rule, rural areas in India do not have ultrasound facilities.

SrJoben

I really mean no offense, but you're just now discovering patriarchy (and misogyny) at 22 years old? Where have you been?

She's been living in a land where, relatively speaking, misogyny don't exist.

First World Misogyny: Blonde Jokes

Third World Misogyny: Getting your *kitten* cut off.

:huh:

19TaraLynn84

i think its china(i could be wrong) but a daughter cant carry on the family company the son has to / should so if they have a daughter they usually go and adopt a son or something. but yeah some countries are just completely messed up. the only thing i like about china is the one baby limit

Not trying to change the subject, but curious why you like China's one baby limit...

geebusuk

Very, very heart-breaking! Those cultures will be dead before long.

This sort of thing has been going on a VERY long time.

The culture of preferring may die out as education increases.

Also remember people of those origins still practice it in western countries - there's been things on the radio recently (in the UK) discussing the options, of which there aren't many if you allow abortions in the first place.

dakotababy

Evolution teaches us - with no females, there will be no more males. Their cultures will eventually die, and that will be it.

MichaelCoss

I don't disagree with you but would like to question how you feel about the widespread misandry that exists in western cutlures?

SymphonynSonata

I really mean no offense, but you're just now discovering patriarchy (and misogyny) at 22 years old? Where have you been?

She's been living in a land where, relatively speaking, misogyny don't exist.

First World Misogyny: Blonde Jokes

Third World Misogyny: Getting your *kitten* cut off.

:huh:

Thanks! Yeah, I've heard of both, but never to the extent of murdering babies because they are female - that's pretty damn different than "Oh, get in the kitchen, broad" or "Womens are just for sex" A society ran by men =/= women hate, btw.

SymphonynSonata

I don't disagree with you but would like to question how you feel about the widespread misandry that exists in western cutlures?

I...have never witnessed this. I do not and will never agree with hatred of another human being based on their gender or race alone. It's what that human being DOES that deserves hatred; not something that they have absolutely no control over.

NikkieLite

Misogyny is alive and well in all parts of the world.

QueenBishOTUniverse

Will never understand the whole "only sons carry on family" concept. Prior to genetic testing the only parent you could be 100% certain of is the mother, therefor the only lineage you can be 100% certain of is maternal, and it doesn't take modern science to undertand the basics of this concept.

There's a reason schools stopped doing bloodtyping labs.... One too many lawsuits when Jr. started asking how s/he could have type A blood when mom and dad are both O......

latewinterwolf

i think its china(i could be wrong) but a daughter cant carry on the family company the son has to / should so if they have a daughter they usually go and adopt a son or something. but yeah some countries are just completely messed up. the only thing i like about china is the one baby limit

Not trying to change the subject, but curious why you like China's one baby limit...

Watch jeremy kyle. and lets face it the world is getting more and more and more overpopulated.
its like those people on benefits who keep on having kids just so they can get more money. those people should have been castrated / spayed at birth

ArtemisRuns

We have friends in Beijing who had fraternal twins - one boy, one girl. The parents are professionals and can afford to pay the fees, so they get to keep both children. Sick, I know. The ones who keep a second child are forced to pay high fines and if they can't pay, they are ruined.. they will he hounded by the government, harassed, threatened, living in fear.. .unless they make the problem go away. The one child rule is inhumane.

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SrJoben

Evolution teaches us - with no females, there will be no more males. Their cultures will eventually die, and that will be it.

That doesn't really have anything to do with evolution. A lot of the cultures that are by modern western standards very misogynistic have been doing the same stuff since pre-history. Their existence in the modern day disproves your second sentence.

A nation can easily have 20% fewer girls, like most of the the Asian countries do, and still be packed with people. China is a solid example. You can't say that country is dying out and keep a straight face.

sola24

I am from india and I know what you mean. Though it has not been the case in my families (I would consider myself lucky) and many others.. but thats still a mentality which exist in india. Very few people actually want a girl. Even if its a girl and she turns out to be of a dark skin tone, there will be no end to her woes. Girls, specially girls with a dark complexion is considered as a burden to family. Its a sick mentality. There are activists, protests but it is going to take a long time to change peoples mentality.

SymphonynSonata

For population control, wouldn't it make more sense to get rid of the boys? A woman can have (on average) about 4 kids before being tapped out, right? I know there are massive exceptions, and this might not be the right number at all, but roll with me here.
A man can impregnate 300 women and out of those 300 about 250 will have a smooth birth. Men are more of a population problem than women are, IMO.

Anyway, I want to turn into a man and be put in that predicament, but whatever.

SymphonynSonata

I am from india and I know what you mean. Though it has not been the case in my families (I would consider myself lucky) and many others.. but thats still a mentality which exist in india. Very few people actually want a girl. Even if its a girl and she turns out to be of a dark skin tone, there will be no end to her woes. Girls, specially girls with a dark complexion is considered as a burden to family. Its a sick mentality. There are activists, protests but it is going to take a long time to change peoples mentality.

Wow, over dark skin? How come? Is there some kind of flawed logic that goes along with it, or just a "beauty" thing? (btw, I think dark skinned women are the best, but okay, lol)

19TaraLynn84

i think its china(i could be wrong) but a daughter cant carry on the family company the son has to / should so if they have a daughter they usually go and adopt a son or something. but yeah some countries are just completely messed up. the only thing i like about china is the one baby limit

Not trying to change the subject, but curious why you like China's one baby limit...

Watch jeremy kyle. and lets face it the world is getting more and more and more overpopulated.
its like those people on benefits who keep on having kids just so they can get more money. those people should have been castrated / spayed at birth

Overpopulation is a myth. More and more babies are being born, but plenty of people are dying, too. More people are choosing on their own to have only one or two children, and many are even choosing to not have any at all. The problem we have going on here is not overpopulation, but people having children knowing they can't support them, which is what you mentioned. People on government benefits have children who grow up on government benefits. Then they have children......and on and on it goes. However, I have 4 children. My husband has a job, pays for our own insurance. We are not on any kind of government benefits. Unless you want to count my husband's military benefits, but he has earned those, and they aren't that great anyway. I would hate to be told I shouldn't have more children just because other people are irresponsible. There are parents in China who would love to have more children and it's an absolute shame to deny them their rights. It's not about overpopulation over there. It's about control.