WHy I follow a low fat raw vegan diet
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thanks for sharing…but I will continue to eat, drink, and be merry …I maintain 11% body fat doing what I do and it is working for me…
Enjoy your self torturing diet….0 -
Holy great wall of text.
Did not read. Probably don't need to anyway.
browsed through it…you would not have liked it...0 -
thanks for sharing…but I will continue to eat, drink, and be merry …I maintain 11% body fat doing what I do and it is working for me…
Enjoy your self torturing diet….
You should continue to do what works for you
For the record- it's not torture-- I absolutely love it! That's probably why it works so well for me and above all- I love the way it makes me feel
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I'm sorry you don't have a healthy relationship with food.
Quinoa = bad?!?!?!
LOL I thought the same thing...0 -
thanks for sharing…but I will continue to eat, drink, and be merry …I maintain 11% body fat doing what I do and it is working for me…
Enjoy your self torturing diet….
You should continue to do what works for you
For the record- it's not torture-- I absolutely love it! That's probably why it works so well for me and above all- I love the way it makes me feel
I should have clarified - that would be torture for me…glad it is working with you …
In all honesty, it sounds like you have an unhealthy view/relationship wit food..
*sips jack daniels*0 -
OP - thank you for your post. Everyone finds different diet lifestyles that work for them, and clearly this has worked for you. It is a shame that so many that commented were so negative and critical. This is a place to discuss, find support and offer advice. I tried Raw Vegan for 3 months last year, and felt the best I ever have. Unfortunately, my will power was a little on the weak side when it came to being around others that were eating lots of junk and delicious smelling cooked pasta etc, so eventually I fell back into eating whatever. Slowly but surely, i want to get back to eating mostly vegan again.
In any case, i am glad that you have found something that works so well for you and makes you feel happy and healthy! That is what is important!
Actually I'd say most people are concerned rather than critical. It's not what OP is eating but the dangerous mindset she has
"Dangerous"??? Ooooh I"m so intrigued, please elaborate.
To be honest I replied to this before I read the rest of the thread where you came back and commented. I was referring to all the commenters who felt you were showing disordered thinking towards food so "dangerous" for you. A lot of people were expressing a lot of concern for you rather than criticising which is what the quoted poster claimed.0 -
I'm sorry you don't have a healthy relationship with food.
Quinoa = bad?!?!?!
LOL I thought the same thing...
I love you guys! When I said "bad" I said it in quotes- not that it's bad as in bad food, meaning it's not what I normally eat. I've already said this quinoa is great! I love that you guys help me to work on my clarification and help me improve my writing and expression everytime- thanks!0 -
thanks for sharing…but I will continue to eat, drink, and be merry …I maintain 11% body fat doing what I do and it is working for me…
Enjoy your self torturing diet….
^ This. I prefer to be a bit less self loathing than what I gathered from the OP0 -
Its great that you are happier now and its also wonderful that you feel as though your mind/body connection has improved.
But please remember that the mind is a lot more powerful than the body. And often we can convince ourselves/believe things very strongly despite the fact that they may not be the best for us, our body and those around us. Some examples include people in cults, people who swear they feel great on the cabbage soup diet and pretty much everyone on My Strange Addiction.
You did say that your body still craves foods you are not 'allowed.' And you've had a very strong online reaction to your story, with lots of people expressing concern about this particular diet. Those two things might give rise to some serious introspection and discussion, rather than blind defense.0 -
cliffs for anyone interested:
OP did dukan diet, lost some weight, decided high protein was bad for her
started vegan diet, regularly went drinking with friends and ate french fries, nachos, and all things delicious (except meat and cheese)
met the banana girl at some festival and decided to dump all her friends and stop drinking
now eats high carb, low fat, and freaks out when she goes to Chipotle
pretty sure that covers it
:laugh: Thanks for that.
I'll make sure I eat some extra meat to make up for an extra vegan.0 -
ndj-- help me understand here. Unhealthy relationship how?
before I think I had an unhealthy relationship when I was 220lbs.
Now I eat whatever I want. It's just that I've been eating clean food for so long that my tastebuds have changed. I love fresh food and I am happier than I have ever been in my life because of all the energy I have, the clarity of mind, my health, loosing weight, gaining more muscle, and just have an overwhelming sense of joy.
So I just want to know- this idea- it comes from something I said in my post- or is it projection? Meaning you imagine what your life would be like on my lifestyle?0 -
cliffs for anyone interested:
OP did dukan diet, lost some weight, decided high protein was bad for her
started vegan diet, regularly went drinking with friends and ate french fries, nachos, and all things delicious (except meat and cheese)
met the banana girl at some festival and decided to dump all her friends and stop drinking
now eats high carb, low fat, and freaks out when she goes to Chipotle
pretty sure that covers it
:laugh: Thanks for that.
I'll make sure I eat some extra meat to make up for an extra vegan.
Just eat the vegan 0 -
cliffs for anyone interested:
OP did dukan diet, lost some weight, decided high protein was bad for her
started vegan diet, regularly went drinking with friends and ate french fries, nachos, and all things delicious (except meat and cheese)
met the banana girl at some festival and decided to dump all her friends and stop drinking
now eats high carb, low fat, and freaks out when she goes to Chipotle
pretty sure that covers it
:laugh: Thanks for that.
I'll make sure I eat some extra meat to make up for an extra vegan.
I tell my sister that all the time. At first I used to give her a hard time, but shes an adult, looks fantastic and is healthy. So I told her that I wish everyone else was a vegan too. More cow and pig for me!!0 -
Its great that you are happier now and its also wonderful that you feel as though your mind/body connection has improved.
But please remember that the mind is a lot more powerful than the body. And often we can convince ourselves/believe things very strongly despite the fact that they may not be the best for us, our body and those around us. Some examples include people in cults, people who swear they feel great on the cabbage soup diet and pretty much everyone on My Strange Addiction.
You did say that your body still craves foods you are not 'allowed.' And you've had a very strong online reaction to your story, with lots of people expressing concern about this particular diet. Those two things might give rise to some serious introspection and discussion, rather than blind defense.
I'm loving the discussion!!!0 -
Thanks for the synopsis-- just some minor edits...cliffs for anyone interested:
OP did dukan diet, lost some weight, decided high protein [eating that high amounts of animal products on a daily baisi] was bad for her [after watching the documentary forks over knives that provides data linking high amounts of animal products with heart disease and cancer]
started vegan diet, regularly went drinking with friends and ate french fries, nachos, and all things delicious [that screwed up her weightloss progress] (except meat and cheese)
met the banana girl at some festival and decided to dump all her friends and stop drinking [amd decided that she wanted to do things with her friends other than go out and get trashed. Also that she wanted to meet more people that were into healthy eating and more athletic]
now eats high carb, low fat,{she has never felt better in her whole life} and freaks out when she goes to Chipotle [and she still has things like chipotle, but her perspective on what "bad" food has changed so much that even having a meal that doesn't completely follow LFRV is still a hell of a lot healthier than what she was eating before.
{She's not only lost 55.5lns and counting and feels the best she ever has but she's sooo happy and wanted to share her story}
pretty sure that covers it
So you watched forks over knives and decided to change your lifestyle? What research did you do or did you just take everything that was said as being gospel truth?0 -
I appreciate your post, it's so interesting the many different views people have about food and their relationship to it. It's amazing to me, the different beliefs and ideas. For me personally, if I ate what you did every day, my life would be complete hell. I would be miserable.0
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Thanks for the synopsis-- just some minor edits...cliffs for anyone interested:
OP did dukan diet, lost some weight, decided high protein [eating that high amounts of animal products on a daily baisi] was bad for her [after watching the documentary forks over knives that provides data linking high amounts of animal products with heart disease and cancer]
started vegan diet, regularly went drinking with friends and ate french fries, nachos, and all things delicious [that screwed up her weightloss progress] (except meat and cheese)
met the banana girl at some festival and decided to dump all her friends and stop drinking [amd decided that she wanted to do things with her friends other than go out and get trashed. Also that she wanted to meet more people that were into healthy eating and more athletic]
now eats high carb, low fat,{she has never felt better in her whole life} and freaks out when she goes to Chipotle [and she still has things like chipotle, but her perspective on what "bad" food has changed so much that even having a meal that doesn't completely follow LFRV is still a hell of a lot healthier than what she was eating before.
{She's not only lost 55.5lns and counting and feels the best she ever has but she's sooo happy and wanted to share her story}
pretty sure that covers it
So you watched forks over knives and decided to change your lifestyle? What research did you do or did you just take everything that was said as being gospel truth?
Great question -- I studied pre-med, my background is in research (stemcell research) I did a lot of research in nutrition (scientific papers and case studies) and I'm now doing a nutrition program.0 -
Ok guys - with all respect I get what you're trying to tell me. That a lot of you would not be able to thrive on this lifestyle, and guess what? You don't have to. This is just the lifestyle that works sooooo well for me. I personally know multi-marathon runners, bodybuilders, and people who have cured themselves from diseases on this lifestyle. Lifestyle is not just about what we eat.
I'll share with you some before and after pics and then I'll share a pic of what I am planing to look like by the end of this year. You know what-- send me a friend request if you are curious to see if I'll get there. Even if you don't believe - let's see what's possible? I promise I won't make you eat Kale :P
But let's see what this year has in store. I'm tracking EVERYTHING-- and well I guess we'll just have to see if I get there
My before and after... (now and wanting to loose another 30-45 lbs)
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This is what I want to get to (but picture a green smoothie instead...
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Ok guys - with all respect I get what you're trying to tell me. That a lot of you would not be able to thrive on this lifestyle, and guess what? You don't have to. This is just the lifestyle that works sooooo well for me. I personally know multi-marathon runners, bodybuilders, and people who have cured themselves from diseases on this lifestyle. Lifestyle is not just about what we eat.
I'll share with you some before and after pics and then I'll share a pic of what I am planing to look like by the end of this year. You know what-- send me a friend request if you are curious to see if I'll get there. Even if you don't believe - let's see what's possible? I promise I won't make you eat Kale :P
But let's see what this year has in store. I'm tracking EVERYTHING-- and well I guess we'll just have to see if I get there
My before and after... (now and wanting to loose another 30-45 lbs)[/URL]
This is what I want to get to (but picture a green smoothie instead...[/URL]
Bravo! Best of luck in reaching your goal! I'm sure you will get there.0 -
Thanks for the synopsis-- just some minor edits...cliffs for anyone interested:
OP did dukan diet, lost some weight, decided high protein [eating that high amounts of animal products on a daily baisi] was bad for her [after watching the documentary forks over knives that provides data linking high amounts of animal products with heart disease and cancer]
started vegan diet, regularly went drinking with friends and ate french fries, nachos, and all things delicious [that screwed up her weightloss progress] (except meat and cheese)
met the banana girl at some festival and decided to dump all her friends and stop drinking [amd decided that she wanted to do things with her friends other than go out and get trashed. Also that she wanted to meet more people that were into healthy eating and more athletic]
now eats high carb, low fat,{she has never felt better in her whole life} and freaks out when she goes to Chipotle [and she still has things like chipotle, but her perspective on what "bad" food has changed so much that even having a meal that doesn't completely follow LFRV is still a hell of a lot healthier than what she was eating before.
{She's not only lost 55.5lns and counting and feels the best she ever has but she's sooo happy and wanted to share her story}
pretty sure that covers it
So you watched forks over knives and decided to change your lifestyle? What research did you do or did you just take everything that was said as being gospel truth?
Great question -- I studied pre-med, my background is in research (stemcell research) I did a lot of research in nutrition (scientific papers and case studies) and I'm now doing a nutrition program.
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ndj-- help me understand here. Unhealthy relationship how?
before I think I had an unhealthy relationship when I was 220lbs.
Now I eat whatever I want. It's just that I've been eating clean food for so long that my tastebuds have changed. I love fresh food and I am happier than I have ever been in my life because of all the energy I have, the clarity of mind, my health, loosing weight, gaining more muscle, and just have an overwhelming sense of joy.
So I just want to know- this idea- it comes from something I said in my post- or is it projection? Meaning you imagine what your life would be like on my lifestyle?
eh IDK …labeling whole food groups "bad" and then completely restricting just does not sound like a unhealthy relationship with food. Food is just food, that we use for energy. IT is not evil, it will not make you fat, skinny, etc….wont make you depressed, or happy, it is just good.
You could eat regular foods and have similar results…just saying.
I eat all the foods that you have deemed bad and restricted and I have had great success…
If I ate like you ate, I would be 1 - starving…2 - have horrible gym performance 3 - be miserable….
Just my two cents...0 -
ndj-- help me understand here. Unhealthy relationship how?
before I think I had an unhealthy relationship when I was 220lbs.
Now I eat whatever I want. It's just that I've been eating clean food for so long that my tastebuds have changed. I love fresh food and I am happier than I have ever been in my life because of all the energy I have, the clarity of mind, my health, loosing weight, gaining more muscle, and just have an overwhelming sense of joy.
So I just want to know- this idea- it comes from something I said in my post- or is it projection? Meaning you imagine what your life would be like on my lifestyle?
eh IDK …labeling whole food groups "bad" and then completely restricting just does not sound like a unhealthy relationship with food. Food is just food, that we use for energy. IT is not evil, it will not make you fat, skinny, etc….wont make you depressed, or happy, it is just good.
You could eat regular foods and have similar results…just saying.
I eat all the foods that you have deemed bad and restricted and I have had great success…
If I ate like you ate, I would be 1 - starving…2 - have horrible gym performance 3 - be miserable….
Just my two cents...
I totally understand your perspective. Did you see my post on what I eat-- trust me it's alot - not starving by any means. What I want to say when I talk about "not eating certain foods" isn't because I won't keep loosing weight I did a high protein diet and had success with my first 30some pounds. I do this because of the ENERGY that I feel. I feel soooo alive! When I don't eat this way I don't feel the same-- THAT"S why I say that I don't eat other things.
To be honest if I had to give someone else advice on what to eat - this would be it "cut out the highly processed junk and get your body moving"0 -
Ok guys - with all respect I get what you're trying to tell me. That a lot of you would not be able to thrive on this lifestyle, and guess what? You don't have to. This is just the lifestyle that works sooooo well for me. I personally know multi-marathon runners, bodybuilders, and people who have cured themselves from diseases on this lifestyle. Lifestyle is not just about what we eat.
I'll share with you some before and after pics and then I'll share a pic of what I am planing to look like by the end of this year. You know what-- send me a friend request if you are curious to see if I'll get there. Even if you don't believe - let's see what's possible? I promise I won't make you eat Kale :P
But let's see what this year has in store. I'm tracking EVERYTHING-- and well I guess we'll just have to see if I get there
My before and after... (now and wanting to loose another 30-45 lbs)[/URL]
This is what I want to get to (but picture a green smoothie instead...[/URL]
Have you started lifting yet?
Sorry if you covered that in the previous 5 pages of walls of text.0 -
ndj-- help me understand here. Unhealthy relationship how?
before I think I had an unhealthy relationship when I was 220lbs.
Now I eat whatever I want. It's just that I've been eating clean food for so long that my tastebuds have changed. I love fresh food and I am happier than I have ever been in my life because of all the energy I have, the clarity of mind, my health, loosing weight, gaining more muscle, and just have an overwhelming sense of joy.
So I just want to know- this idea- it comes from something I said in my post- or is it projection? Meaning you imagine what your life would be like on my lifestyle?
eh IDK …labeling whole food groups "bad" and then completely restricting just does not sound like a unhealthy relationship with food. Food is just food, that we use for energy. IT is not evil, it will not make you fat, skinny, etc….wont make you depressed, or happy, it is just good.
You could eat regular foods and have similar results…just saying.
I eat all the foods that you have deemed bad and restricted and I have had great success…
If I ate like you ate, I would be 1 - starving…2 - have horrible gym performance 3 - be miserable….
Just my two cents...
I totally understand your perspective. Did you see my post on what I eat-- trust me it's alot - not starving by any means. What I want to say when I talk about "not eating certain foods" isn't because I won't keep loosing weight I did a high protein diet and had success with my first 30some pounds. I do this because of the ENERGY that I feel. I feel soooo alive! When I don't eat this way I don't feel the same-- THAT"S why I say that I don't eat other things.
To be honest if I had to give someone else advice on what to eat - this would be it "cut out the highly processed junk and get your body moving"
You have more energy because you're losing weight. Wait until you get lean and learn the value of a good bowl of ice cream or a couple of donuts on squat day. Just wait. Too much is made of what food rather than how much, and the importance of exercise.0 -
Ok guys - with all respect I get what you're trying to tell me. That a lot of you would not be able to thrive on this lifestyle, and guess what? You don't have to. This is just the lifestyle that works sooooo well for me. I personally know multi-marathon runners, bodybuilders, and people who have cured themselves from diseases on this lifestyle. Lifestyle is not just about what we eat.
I'll share with you some before and after pics and then I'll share a pic of what I am planing to look like by the end of this year. You know what-- send me a friend request if you are curious to see if I'll get there. Even if you don't believe - let's see what's possible? I promise I won't make you eat Kale :P
But let's see what this year has in store. I'm tracking EVERYTHING-- and well I guess we'll just have to see if I get there
My before and after... (now and wanting to loose another 30-45 lbs)[/URL]
This is what I want to get to (but picture a green smoothie instead...[/URL]
Have you started lifting yet?
Sorry if you covered that in the previous 5 pages of walls of text.
Yes I have. I will candidly admit that I am clueless when it comes to this, but like everything else in my life I am a tenacious learner. Will get a trainer soon. Also I was told - muscles are build in the gym and abs are built in the kitchen.
I am telling you I WILL DO THIS!!!0 -
Ok guys - with all respect I get what you're trying to tell me. That a lot of you would not be able to thrive on this lifestyle, and guess what? You don't have to. This is just the lifestyle that works sooooo well for me. I personally know multi-marathon runners, bodybuilders, and people who have cured themselves from diseases on this lifestyle. Lifestyle is not just about what we eat.
I'll share with you some before and after pics and then I'll share a pic of what I am planing to look like by the end of this year. You know what-- send me a friend request if you are curious to see if I'll get there. Even if you don't believe - let's see what's possible? I promise I won't make you eat Kale :P
But let's see what this year has in store. I'm tracking EVERYTHING-- and well I guess we'll just have to see if I get there
My before and after... (now and wanting to loose another 30-45 lbs)[/URL]
This is what I want to get to (but picture a green smoothie instead...[/URL]
Have you started lifting yet?
Sorry if you covered that in the previous 5 pages of walls of text.
Yes I have. I will candidly admit that I am clueless when it comes to this, but like everything else in my life I am a tenacious learner. Will get a trainer soon. Also I was told - muscles are build in the gym and abs are built in the kitchen.
I am telling you I WILL DO THIS!!!
Sweet. Sounds like a plan!! You're already well on your way. Hope you keep it up and make it all the way.0 -
I may have missed it, but how much protein are you getting per day?0
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Ok guys - with all respect I get what you're trying to tell me. That a lot of you would not be able to thrive on this lifestyle, and guess what? You don't have to. This is just the lifestyle that works sooooo well for me. I personally know multi-marathon runners, bodybuilders, and people who have cured themselves from diseases on this lifestyle. Lifestyle is not just about what we eat.
I'll share with you some before and after pics and then I'll share a pic of what I am planing to look like by the end of this year. You know what-- send me a friend request if you are curious to see if I'll get there. Even if you don't believe - let's see what's possible? I promise I won't make you eat Kale :P
But let's see what this year has in store. I'm tracking EVERYTHING-- and well I guess we'll just have to see if I get there
My before and after... (now and wanting to loose another 30-45 lbs)[/URL]
This is what I want to get to (but picture a green smoothie instead...[/URL]
Have you started lifting yet?
Sorry if you covered that in the previous 5 pages of walls of text.
Yes I have. I will candidly admit that I am clueless when it comes to this, but like everything else in my life I am a tenacious learner. Will get a trainer soon. Also I was told - muscles are build in the gym and abs are built in the kitchen.
I am telling you I WILL DO THIS!!!
pick up starting strength and new rules of lifting for woman..
start a program of compounds - squats, deadlifts, overhead press, bench press, rows, pull up/chin up,etc…once you have the form down develop a program where you are lifting heavy three days a week to start and working in 6-10 rep range…do some cardio on off days…as you progress back off cardio and go to four day upper/lower split.
I will say that if you are going to do this you are going to have seriously reexamine your diet…recoup requires eating a lot and hitting macros and IMO you are going to need more than raw veggies to get to your desired picture...0 -
I'm glad you found a diet that works for you and helps you live a better quality of life. I hope the best for you.0
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I'm sorry, when you say 80/10/10, is that your macros setup? Because that is far from a healthy and balanced diet. Your way of eating is taking over your life. If that's not an unhealthy relationship with food, I don’t know what is...
Yup. Disordered eating, revisionist thinking, obsession with eating seriously affecting her personal life, progression from one fad diet to another, unhealthy diet, etc. I'm seeing things like this on her pre-vegan high-protein diet:
"My body does really gravitate towards Dukan naturally. I don't crave carbs at all, but I do crave protein"
"I was really craving bad carbs this weekend, pad thai, lo mein, pizza, but it's the one thing I won't let myself have. I feel like even having one small carb will be a very slippery slope. "
"I am a VERY happy Dukaner this morning!!!! I am so glad I started my fitness plan last night!"
"I need to loose 15 lbs in a relatively short period of time (less than a month) and [Dukan] is the only way I know how"
This is really all over the place and more than a little worrisome.
I'm vegan and commend the OP on her journey to veganism and the HIGH CARB life. I understand that most of you here on a SAD diet will resist and not understand the way of thinking of veganism, high carb or why people eat raw.
I'm not denying the OP may have orthorexia- an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy.
80/10/10 IS HEALTHY MACO RATIO. Human breast milk- which is a food that one can live on for the rest of their life, only contains 5% calories from protein. This is a time in your life which you are developing the most. Think about that.
High fat, disguised as high protein diets such as paleo, atkins, etc are the reason most Americans are fat, overweight and sick.
I'm honestly not expecting anyone to get this at all- and expecting to receive backlash if anyone reads this.
A high carb diet doesn't require calorie restriction. So 10% of calories from protein actually ends up being a lot- if you're eating 2,500 or more calories a day.
Macro ratios are pointless. Macro intake, such as protein, should be looked at on a per-gram basis. Science shows over and over that adult human beings require much more protein than you'd expect to simply maintain muscle mass while losing weight.
Remember: OP is not a baby full of growth hormones on a calorie surplus. OP is a grown adult woman on a calorie deficit. Protein requirements go up significantly on a gram-for-gram basis in a calorie deficit to maintain muscle mass.
OP clearly wants to be lean and muscular. A low-protein diet will make this much, much harder.
Also: OP is not a gorilla.0
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