Need Help from Experienced Lifters (men or women)
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It's like some people just don't get the scientific mindset. At all.Why would I stop after nearly a year of consistent weighing, measuring, and logging? Especially when I enjoy it so much. I love tracking and gathering accurate data to observe trends.0 -
Buy a food scale and start weighing your portions. You're likely eating more than you think. And be patient. You're likely retaining some water for muscle repair, and also it takes awhile for the results from lifting to start to show.
true so by eating more than he thinks the answer is?
eat less
water retention for crying out loud
It's true that you can eat less without a scale. Personally I prefer the scale method. It doesn't take all of the guesswork out of it, but it does help. Before MFP I would lose weight with the vague idea of "eating less" but it was difficult to know how much less-- it all just felt like a shot in the dark.
YMMV
everyone has a different bmr tdee calorie burn from exercise, do you trust food companies labels to the exact calorie, one day you may burn more energy than the next , it is all guesswork, eat well exercise then reassess, this is a lifestyle change who in their right mind wants to weigh food and strap a heart rate monitor to themselves for the next 40 years
I have no problem weighing food for the next 40 years. Its a whole 10-20 minutes out of my day.
i will bet you one hundred thousand pounds(that is about 5 million of your mickey mouse dollars) that you stop weighing your food by independance day which i believe is july the 4th or december the 25th
Why would I stop after nearly a year of consistent weighing, measuring, and logging? Especially when I enjoy it so much. I love tracking and gathering accurate data to observe trends.
You enjoy weighing carrots, you live life on the edge that is a fact, what do you do in your spare time iron socks
I don't eat carrots.0 -
her post makes sense...make sure he is eating the amount he thinks he is. If he is logging wrong he may be eating MORE than he thinksBuy a food scale and start weighing your portions. You're likely eating more than you think. And be patient. You're likely retaining some water for muscle repair, and also it takes awhile for the results from lifting to start to show.
true so by eating more than he thinks the answer is?
eat less
water retention for crying out loud
therefore if he weighs his food he will be eating less than if he was measuring less accurately
and yes muscles retain water as they repair
for crying out loud.
you have great legs so i will not argue with you
Well aren't you patronizing. Also, there is nothing to argue with.0 -
Buy a food scale and start weighing your portions. You're likely eating more than you think. And be patient. You're likely retaining some water for muscle repair, and also it takes awhile for the results from lifting to start to show.
true so by eating more than he thinks the answer is?
eat less
water retention for crying out loud
It's true that you can eat less without a scale. Personally I prefer the scale method. It doesn't take all of the guesswork out of it, but it does help. Before MFP I would lose weight with the vague idea of "eating less" but it was difficult to know how much less-- it all just felt like a shot in the dark.
YMMV
everyone has a different bmr tdee calorie burn from exercise, do you trust food companies labels to the exact calorie, one day you may burn more energy than the next , it is all guesswork, eat well exercise then reassess, this is a lifestyle change who in their right mind wants to weigh food and strap a heart rate monitor to themselves for the next 40 years
I have no problem weighing food for the next 40 years. Its a whole 10-20 minutes out of my day.
i will bet you one hundred thousand pounds(that is about 5 million of your mickey mouse dollars) that you stop weighing your food by independance day which i believe is july the 4th or december the 25th
Why would I stop after nearly a year of consistent weighing, measuring, and logging? Especially when I enjoy it so much. I love tracking and gathering accurate data to observe trends.
You enjoy weighing carrots, you live life on the edge that is a fact, what do you do in your spare time iron socks
I don't eat carrots.
then you will go blind and wont even be able to find your scales, in fairness though with this scenario if you put on weight how would you know?
we have cracked it don't eat carrots no need for diets
Strawmans are cool0 -
Well, I don't know about you, but in my spare time, I don't iron socks, I hoist rocks! :smokin: \m/You enjoy weighing carrots, you live life on the edge that is a fact, what do you do in your spare time iron socks0 -
her post makes sense...make sure he is eating the amount he thinks he is. If he is logging wrong he may be eating MORE than he thinksBuy a food scale and start weighing your portions. You're likely eating more than you think. And be patient. You're likely retaining some water for muscle repair, and also it takes awhile for the results from lifting to start to show.
true so by eating more than he thinks the answer is?
eat less
water retention for crying out loud
therefore if he weighs his food he will be eating less than if he was measuring less accurately
and yes muscles retain water as they repair
for crying out loud.
you have great legs so i will not argue with you
Well aren't you patronizing. Also, there is nothing to argue with.
Who the hell has a set of weights as their profile pic? really, thanks for the input though mr/mrs 50kg and bar
People who lift weights?0 -
Good on you for doing this with your wife. Way to show support!
I would like to add that my first few months of lifting heavier this fall slowed down my weight loss significantly. After roughly two months of adding muscle, the weight (and more importantly the inches) started coming off at a much faster rate.
I just thought I would add that in. The above poster(s) seem to have thoroughly addressed the other issues that could be slowing you down (all great advice!)0 -
Well, I don't know about you, but in my spare time, I don't iron socks, I hoist rocks! :smokin: \m/You enjoy weighing carrots, you live life on the edge that is a fact, what do you do in your spare time iron socks
A fine past time hoisting rocks, i prefer lowering them0 -
her post makes sense...make sure he is eating the amount he thinks he is. If he is logging wrong he may be eating MORE than he thinksBuy a food scale and start weighing your portions. You're likely eating more than you think. And be patient. You're likely retaining some water for muscle repair, and also it takes awhile for the results from lifting to start to show.
true so by eating more than he thinks the answer is?
eat less
water retention for crying out loud
therefore if he weighs his food he will be eating less than if he was measuring less accurately
and yes muscles retain water as they repair
for crying out loud.
you have great legs so i will not argue with you
Well aren't you patronizing. Also, there is nothing to argue with.
Who the hell has a set of weights as their profile pic? really, thanks for the input though mr/mrs 50kg and bar
People who lift weights?
god knows but im trying to download the corner of my treadmill0 -
Buy a food scale and start weighing your portions. You're likely eating more than you think. And be patient. You're likely retaining some water for muscle repair, and also it takes awhile for the results from lifting to start to show.
true so by eating more than he thinks the answer is?
eat less
water retention for crying out loud
It's true that you can eat less without a scale. Personally I prefer the scale method. It doesn't take all of the guesswork out of it, but it does help. Before MFP I would lose weight with the vague idea of "eating less" but it was difficult to know how much less-- it all just felt like a shot in the dark.
YMMV
everyone has a different bmr tdee calorie burn from exercise, do you trust food companies labels to the exact calorie, one day you may burn more energy than the next , it is all guesswork, eat well exercise then reassess, this is a lifestyle change who in their right mind wants to weigh food and strap a heart rate monitor to themselves for the next 40 years
I have no problem weighing food for the next 40 years. Its a whole 10-20 minutes out of my day.
i will bet you one hundred thousand pounds(that is about 5 million of your mickey mouse dollars) that you stop weighing your food by independance day which i believe is july the 4th or december the 25th
Why would I stop after nearly a year of consistent weighing, measuring, and logging? Especially when I enjoy it so much. I love tracking and gathering accurate data to observe trends.
You enjoy weighing carrots, you live life on the edge that is a fact, what do you do in your spare time iron socks
I don't eat carrots.
then you will go blind and wont even be able to find your scales, in fairness though with this scenario if you put on weight how would you know?
we have cracked it don't eat carrots no need for diets
Why are you looking down at people who have no problems with weighing their food long term or logging their food for the rest of their life? Are you going to scoff at those who have to take medications for the rest of their life too?
I have food issues. I'm an overeater, as well as a stress/bored/emotional eater. Weighing and logging my food works for me and has done a lot in helping curb my binge eating as well. And I don't see anything wrong at all doing it for the rest of my life if it means never going back to my heaviest weight or more.0 -
her post makes sense...make sure he is eating the amount he thinks he is. If he is logging wrong he may be eating MORE than he thinksBuy a food scale and start weighing your portions. You're likely eating more than you think. And be patient. You're likely retaining some water for muscle repair, and also it takes awhile for the results from lifting to start to show.
true so by eating more than he thinks the answer is?
eat less
water retention for crying out loud
therefore if he weighs his food he will be eating less than if he was measuring less accurately
and yes muscles retain water as they repair
for crying out loud.
you have great legs so i will not argue with you
Well aren't you patronizing. Also, there is nothing to argue with.
Who the hell has a set of weights as their profile pic? really, thanks for the input though mr/mrs 50kg and bar
People who lift weights?
god knows but im trying to download the corner of my treadmill
Maybe he's showing his progress on a certain lift? Why so judgey?0 -
As people have said OP:
weigh your food. Even if it's just for the short term to get a handle on your portions.
Then you can go back to doing things by eye and know you're getting somewhere close. It doesn't have to be for ever if you don't need it/want to do it. Again if you want to continue to weigh your food, there's nothing wrong with that either.
There's definitely an element of water retention if you've jumped back into a routine after doing nothing for a while, but you're probably messing up your intake or you've got your TDEE wrong. Reassess, run for 2 weeks. Reassess, run for 2 weeks. Etc, etc.0 -
Posting on this web site is so bittersweet. I love the sincere advice. I hate wading through the flirtations and arguments that often have little to do with the questions I've asked...
Thanks to all of you who seriously responded. Your advice is GREATLY appreciated. It's funny to ask for it, becuase I've felt accomplished at this kind of stuff for about three years now (265 lbs down to 180). However, it's always been through drastic calorie cuts and I want to do it right this time.
As to weighing food, I might wait on that. Like you few last posters said, I just got into this with the new year after three months of very sporadic exercise and terrible nutrition. I think I'm doing great, nutritionally, because I tend to overestimate my portion sizes and understimate calories burned (not too drastically, but somewhat). Also, I've been eating like a saint. Practically no alcohol, mostly vegetarian (my wife's a veggie), super-lean protein (lowfat cottage cheese, tofu, high-protein / nonfat yogurt, egg whites, baked chicken breast), very limited carbs (multigrain / seed bread, whole wheat pasta), and organic, raw veggies and fruits.
My bet is that I haven't given it enough time. I fully forgot that starting a new program lifting involves water retention and muscle swelling. However, if it truly don't see results in two months, I will absolutely buy a HRM, digital scale, further research my TDEE, etc. Right now, I feel like I'm working too hard with diet and exercise to not see some results in the near future. I have to admit to being way too impatient, especially aftering seeing fast results on a 1400 calorie / day diet.
Thank you, thank you, thank you again! I seriously love that, all goofballs aside, this site is a community of people who want to help each other out. If I come across others having similar problems, I'll pass your advice and links on to them. Have a great year and GET SWOLE!0 -
Also, to the poster who lauded me for supporting my wife, THANK YOU. It felt silly at first, but the workouts ARE GREAT and I do love supporting my wife. It also works out well, because we love spending time together.
Anyway, the person you really should be lauding is her. She's almost five months pregnant with our first child and lifts like a badass. For some reason, I never make friends on this web site, yet she has a ton (being a woman, maybe?). However, if you want to friend this badass woman of mine, Kellybean14 is the name.
Thanks again, everybody.0 -
Posting on this web site is so bittersweet. I love the sincere advice. I hate wading through the flirtations and arguments that often have little to do with the questions I've asked...
Thanks to all of you who seriously responded. Your advice is GREATLY appreciated. It's funny to ask for it, becuase I've felt accomplished at this kind of stuff for about three years now (265 lbs down to 180). However, it's always been through drastic calorie cuts and I want to do it right this time.
As to weighing food, I might wait on that. Like you few last posters said, I just got into this with the new year after three months of very sporadic exercise and terrible nutrition. I think I'm doing great, nutritionally, because I tend to overestimate my portion sizes and understimate calories burned (not too drastically, but somewhat). Also, I've been eating like a saint. Practically no alcohol, mostly vegetarian (my wife's a veggie), super-lean protein (lowfat cottage cheese, tofu, high-protein / nonfat yogurt, egg whites, baked chicken breast), very limited carbs (multigrain / seed bread, whole wheat pasta), and organic, raw veggies and fruits.
My bet is that I haven't given it enough time. I fully forgot that starting a new program lifting involves water retention and muscle swelling. However, if it truly don't see results in two months, I will absolutely buy a HRM, digital scale, further research my TDEE, etc. Right now, I feel like I'm working too hard with diet and exercise to not see some results in the near future. I have to admit to being way too impatient, especially aftering seeing fast results on a 1400 calorie / day diet.
Thank you, thank you, thank you again! I seriously love that, all goofballs aside, this site is a community of people who want to help each other out. If I come across others having similar problems, I'll pass your advice and links on to them. Have a great year and GET SWOLE!
I think you are right to be patient. It's best to give any change in diet/exercise a good solid 4-6 weeks before really evaluating it.
As far as weight loss stalling, I can tell you that when I stalled out it was due to a few factors: overestimating my burns, nibbling here and there and not logging it, and having too high of a baseline calorie goal. Any one of those things wouldn't have totally stalled me, but all together they gobbled my calorie deficit right up. So, it's a good idea to re-evaluate what you are doing every now and then. But, again, it hasn't been long enough for you to totally get a sense of what's happening yet.0 -
her post makes sense...make sure he is eating the amount he thinks he is. If he is logging wrong he may be eating MORE than he thinksBuy a food scale and start weighing your portions. You're likely eating more than you think. And be patient. You're likely retaining some water for muscle repair, and also it takes awhile for the results from lifting to start to show.
true so by eating more than he thinks the answer is?
eat less
water retention for crying out loud
therefore if he weighs his food he will be eating less than if he was measuring less accurately
and yes muscles retain water as they repair
for crying out loud.
you have great legs so i will not argue with you
Well aren't you patronizing. Also, there is nothing to argue with.
Who the hell has a set of weights as their profile pic? really, thanks for the input though mr/mrs 50kg and bar
People who lift weights?
god knows but im trying to download the corner of my treadmill
Lol. This is a fitness site. That picture represents a milestone for me in terms of fitness.
Who the hell has no picture up at all?0 -
Do you even lift?
her post makes sense...make sure he is eating the amount he thinks he is. If he is logging wrong he may be eating MORE than he thinksBuy a food scale and start weighing your portions. You're likely eating more than you think. And be patient. You're likely retaining some water for muscle repair, and also it takes awhile for the results from lifting to start to show.
true so by eating more than he thinks the answer is?
eat less
water retention for crying out loud
therefore if he weighs his food he will be eating less than if he was measuring less accurately
and yes muscles retain water as they repair
for crying out loud.
you have great legs so i will not argue with you
Well aren't you patronizing. Also, there is nothing to argue with.
Who the hell has a set of weights as their profile pic? really, thanks for the input though mr/mrs 50kg and bar
People who lift weights?
god knows but im trying to download the corner of my treadmill
Lol. This is a fitness site. That picture represents a milestone for me in terms of fitness.
Who the hell has no picture up at all?0 -
Good for you for deciding to just hang in there.
Might want to work on that particular mindset though. That's part and parcel of your "drastic" measures you have taken in the past. You're gonna have to spend the rest of your life being mindful of what you're putting in your facehole, so you might as well use this time now to get used to enjoying "unsaintly" food in moderation within your calorie budget. Because that's what you'll have to do to maintain. I'm getting really good at it-- I've been doing just that since the end of September, just holding the line. I'm getting stronger, though, so I'm ok with that. I just wanted to skewer the idea of eating like a saint, because moral value cannot be attached to food. It's just food. It doesn't get to have that much power.Also, I've been eating like a saint.
That is my full intention. :drinker:Have a great year and GET SWOLE!0 -
If you are looking for fast results to your body composition from lifting, it's not going to happen. Give it 6 months and you'll start to notice some changes. Then give it a year and you'll be happier. Lifting is a slow and steady process to changing your body. Good luck and kudos for getting on this with your wife!0
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If you are looking for fast results to your body composition from lifting, it's not going to happen. Give it 6 months and you'll start to notice some changes. Then give it a year and you'll be happier. Lifting is a slow and steady process to changing your body. Good luck and kudos for getting on this with your wife!
^so much this.Also, to the poster who lauded me for supporting my wife, THANK YOU. It felt silly at first, but the workouts ARE GREAT and I do love supporting my wife. It also works out well, because we love spending time together.
Anyway, the person you really should be lauding is her. She's almost five months pregnant with our first child and lifts like a badass. For some reason, I never make friends on this web site, yet she has a ton (being a woman, maybe?). However, if you want to friend this badass woman of mine, Kellybean14 is the name.
Thanks again, everybody.
You may not be cutting fat as fast as you'd like, but you show yourself to be of the highest character here. Good luck to you (and good luck on your 1st, your life's about to get turned around!).0
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