Who thinks all calories do the same things for use?

SEAFOODMAN

here we go!

tennisdude2004

Do we really need another post like this?


Food has many properties and "calorie" is one of those properties describing the energy value of that particular food. That variable is the same across different food groups but the other properties that a food has, are NOT the same across different food groups.

So for example, 100 calories of cake compared to 100 calories of chicken, will provide the same energy to the diet. But it will provide a whole bunch of things in addition to energy value that will differ between the two, such as micronutrition, differences in amino acids, fatty acids, differing effects on satiety, palatability/preference. Those additional properties can have an effect on weight loss in that they can effect energy output (one side of the energy balance equation) and quite clearly food selection can effect satiety/adherence which can effect calorie intake.

None of this means a calorie is not a calorie. Calorie deficits are still a fundamental requirement of weight loss and the opposite is true for weight gain. It is still fundamentally the energy balance equation.

QFT

No it won't and that's the point. This it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you're in a deficit is wrong. Not all energy from calories are absorbed by the body at the same quantity.

sbarella

Do we really need another post like this?

We need this like we need another "what counts as water" thread . . .

Do you think I should eat back my exercise calories?

KnM0107

Do we really need another post like this?

We need this like we need another "what counts as water" thread . . .

Do you think I should eat back my exercise calories?

Is sugar evil?

Mother_Superior

Please fella...tell me, for my own peace of mind...you don't own any horses do you?

SunofaBeach14

Do we really need another post like this?

We need this like we need another "what counts as water" thread . . .

Then why read and then add to this thread.

You need it because deep down in places you don't like to talk about - you love it

'tis true, you amuse me . . .:


like a drunken fool stumbling across a parking lot and putting his key in the ignition with a cop watching

tennisdude2004

Do we really need another post like this?

We need this like we need another "what counts as water" thread . . .

Do you think I should eat back my exercise calories?

Based on your calorie usage (including the amount of activity you do) MFP sets your calorie goal accordingly so yes you will be eating back (if that's the right phrase) a proportion of your exercise calorie usage.

tennisdude2004

Do we really need another post like this?

We need this like we need another "what counts as water" thread . . .

Then why read and then add to this thread.

You need it because deep down in places you don't like to talk about - you love it

'tis true, you amuse me . . .:


like a drunken fool stumbling across a parking lot and putting his key in the ignition with a cop watching

Your the cat - I'm the string! ????????????

tennisdude2004

Do we really need another post like this?

We need this like we need another "what counts as water" thread . . .

Do you think I should eat back my exercise calories?

Is sugar evil?

No.

Sabine_Stroehm

LOL stirring the pot is right.

I found this link on one of the forums here on MFP.

I read it and found it very informative. Take it for what its worth.

Its a fairly involved article but worth reading if you have the time.

Enjoy



http://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/

That was a fun read, thanks. His site is interesting as well.

FredDoyle

It doesn't matter. You're attacking a strawman.
Metabolic pathways notwithstanding, if I'm losing a pound a week, I know I have tilted the energy equation in the direction I want if I'm trying to lose weight.

SunofaBeach14

Do we really need another post like this?

We need this like we need another "what counts as water" thread . . .

Then why read and then add to this thread.

You need it because deep down in places you don't like to talk about - you love it

'tis true, you amuse me . . .:


like a drunken fool stumbling across a parking lot and putting his key in the ignition with a cop watching

Your the cat - I'm the string! ????????????

:indifferent:

LiftAllThePizzas

That's broscience.

RllyGudTweetr

Do we really need another post like this?


Food has many properties and "calorie" is one of those properties describing the energy value of that particular food. That variable is the same across different food groups but the other properties that a food has, are NOT the same across different food groups.

So for example, 100 calories of cake compared to 100 calories of chicken, will provide the same energy to the diet. But it will provide a whole bunch of things in addition to energy value that will differ between the two, such as micronutrition, differences in amino acids, fatty acids, differing effects on satiety, palatability/preference. Those additional properties can have an effect on weight loss in that they can effect energy output (one side of the energy balance equation) and quite clearly food selection can effect satiety/adherence which can effect calorie intake.

None of this means a calorie is not a calorie. Calorie deficits are still a fundamental requirement of weight loss and the opposite is true for weight gain. It is still fundamentally the energy balance equation.

Side Steel FTW, ladies and gentlemen.

tennisdude2004

It doesn't matter. You're attacking a strawman.
Metabolic pathways notwithstanding, if I'm losing a pound a week, I know I have tilted the energy equation in the direction I want if I'm trying to lose weight.

Okay so maybe I'm the odd one out then - personally I want to know how things work so I can make informed decisions.

That answers most of the questions I had about a lot (not all because some of the members seem really knowledgeable) of the posters on the forums I've entered.

Thanks you've cleared that one up for me.

krazyforyou

Oh crap another one of these

geebusuk

No it won't and that's the point. This it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you're in a deficit is wrong. Not all energy from calories are absorbed by the body at the same quantity.

Could you give an example where you're in a deficit but the body keeps the same weight (apart from water weight.)?
When 'calories' out is more than 'calories in' but the body retains the same total number of calories in the body, could you explain where the extra 'calories out' come from?

mammamaurer

tennisdude2004

No it won't and that's the point. This it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you're in a deficit is wrong. Not all energy from calories are absorbed by the body at the same quantity.

Could you give an example where you're in a deficit but the body keeps the same weight (apart from water weight.)?
When 'calories' out is more than 'calories in' but the body retains the same total number of calories in the body, could you explain where the extra 'calories out' come from?

Have you heard of the energy equation calculation?

If yes then surely that explains what I mean.

SideSteel

Do we really need another post like this?


Food has many properties and "calorie" is one of those properties describing the energy value of that particular food. That variable is the same across different food groups but the other properties that a food has, are NOT the same across different food groups.

So for example, 100 calories of cake compared to 100 calories of chicken, will provide the same energy to the diet. But it will provide a whole bunch of things in addition to energy value that will differ between the two, such as micronutrition, differences in amino acids, fatty acids, differing effects on satiety, palatability/preference. Those additional properties can have an effect on weight loss in that they can effect energy output (one side of the energy balance equation) and quite clearly food selection can effect satiety/adherence which can effect calorie intake.

None of this means a calorie is not a calorie. Calorie deficits are still a fundamental requirement of weight loss and the opposite is true for weight gain. It is still fundamentally the energy balance equation.

QFT

No it won't and that's the point. This it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you're in a deficit is wrong. Not all energy from calories are absorbed by the body at the same quantity.

No what won't?