Low-Carb Help!
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Hi guys I'm trying the low-carb thing and have a question. I was looking at the "primal blueprint carbohydrate curve" diagram and it says the sweet spot for weight loss is staying between 50g-100g/day in carbs. Does this amount mean total carbs, including fiber, or net carbs, in which I subtract the grams of fiber from my total carb intake? Thank you!
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Hi guys I'm trying the low-carb thing and have a question. I was looking at the "primal blueprint carbohydrate curve" diagram and it says the sweet spot for weight loss is staying between 50g-100g/day in carbs. Does this amount mean total carbs, including fiber, or net carbs, in which I subtract the grams of fiber from my total carb intake? Thank you!
Luckily you can ignore the cho curve for weightloss as it's completely made up by Sisson and has no basis in reality0 -
I don't know the "primal blueprint carbohydrate curve diagram" but I know that for me, the sweet spot is definitely 50-100g NET (subtracting fiber) carbs. I found that through trial and error over a two year period. I'm now trying to get myself back into that zone on a regular basis...0
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Hi guys I'm trying the low-carb thing and have a question. I was looking at the "primal blueprint carbohydrate curve" diagram and it says the sweet spot for weight loss is staying between 50g-100g/day in carbs. Does this amount mean total carbs, including fiber, or net carbs, in which I subtract the grams of fiber from my total carb intake? Thank you!
Luckily you can ignore the cho curve for weightloss as it's completely made up by Sisson and has no basis in reality
ACg67, you seem like one of Marks jilted lovers, I'm feeling a lot hate there dude.
I eat based on the primal blue print - and for me it works.
Like every single diet people will suggest on MFP none of them suit everyone and you have to do your research and make informed decisions yourself.
That said, staying about 50g (approx. is ideal as you will be just outside the range of ketosis, however everybody reacts differently so sometimes it's a bit of trial an error).
Of all the diets I have researched before choosing one, I did find the primal blueprint to best suit my health needs.
He has a free podcast, I would suggest going on to his website and listening to the one he posted last week.
Don't be put off by the fact he sells supplements - he doesn't force them on anyone and in fact - like me you can happily follow the blueprint free of charge.
Again I will advice any information you get either on this site or anywhere else, do your own research.
Good luck.0 -
Hi guys I'm trying the low-carb thing and have a question. I was looking at the "primal blueprint carbohydrate curve" diagram and it says the sweet spot for weight loss is staying between 50g-100g/day in carbs. Does this amount mean total carbs, including fiber, or net carbs, in which I subtract the grams of fiber from my total carb intake? Thank you!
Luckily you can ignore the cho curve for weightloss as it's completely made up by Sisson and has no basis in reality
ACg67, you seem like one of Marks jilted lovers, I'm feeling a lot hate there dude.
I eat based on the primal blue print - and for me it works.
Like every single diet people will suggest on MFP none of them suit everyone and you have to do your research and make informed decisions yourself.
That said, staying about 50g (approx. is ideal as you will be just outside the range of ketosis, however everybody reacts differently so sometimes it's a bit of trial an error).
Of all the diets I have researched before choosing one, I did find the primal blueprint to best suit my health needs.
He has a free podcast, I would suggest going on to his website and listening to the one he posted last week.
Don't be put off by the fact he sells supplements - he doesn't force them on anyone and in fact - like me you can happily follow the blueprint free of charge.
Again I will advice any information you get either on this site or anywhere else, do your own research.
Good luck.
No hate, just a realist. Sisson either cherry picks studies or just completely makes things up and his cult just eats it up0 -
Diet composition does not have any direct impact on body weight.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/55/2/350.full.pdf
Eating a low-carb diet may help you stick to a diet by eliminating sources of highly palatable, calorie-dense foods. But there is nothing about the chemical nature of the food that is affecting body weight.0 -
Eats it up - great pun.
Hey dude I would hope that anyone following primal would do some background themselves - I know I do.
Plus, show me a diet or a study group that doesn't cherry pick their facts (or come from a bias side)!! In fact almost everyone I see debating on the MFP forums have their own unshakable (and unmoveable) belief in what's true, based on their own opinions from which they have cherry picked research to support.
That's why I did a fair bit of researching before choosing the primal.0 -
I don't know what the blue print is, but the net carbs vs total carbs thing may be trial and error like another user said.
I do low carb and follow Atkins loosely and Atkins does NET carbs (but the old Atkins was TOTAL carbs). I personally can be fine doing net carbs and not affect my weightloss or make me feel any more or less hungry, but others cannot and have to stick to TOTAL carbs.
The other thing that affects net carbs is sugar alcohols. I'm guessing this affects people moreso than the fiber so be leery of products that are low net carbs but have alot of sugar alcohols.
Of the products that might have higher carb counts but decent amounts of fiber would be things like almonds or some veggies. I wouldn't worry too much as long as you don't binge eat on those which will add up fast calorie wise.0 -
See - mailmaker above is my case in point!!0
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Thank you so much everyone!0
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I started low carb at the start of the year.
I have my macros set to 40 fat/30 carb/30 protein. (I'm starting to lose inches like crazy! Now the weight is dropping again!)
This makes my carbs around 166 g and I set my sugars to 75 g.
It works for me.
I would say go for your NET carbs. I know the primal blueprint is close to paleo but I know nothing of the diagram.
I went to the low carb after reading...
.... do I say it?
GARY TAUBES (Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It)
If you are interested, please find a low carb group to join to find additional support from other low carbers.0 -
Hi guys I'm trying the low-carb thing and have a question. I was looking at the "primal blueprint carbohydrate curve" diagram and it says the sweet spot for weight loss is staying between 50g-100g/day in carbs. Does this amount mean total carbs, including fiber, or net carbs, in which I subtract the grams of fiber from my total carb intake? Thank you!
Luckily you can ignore the cho curve for weightloss as it's completely made up by Sisson and has no basis in reality
ACg67, you seem like one of Marks jilted lovers, I'm feeling a lot hate there dude.
I eat based on the primal blue print - and for me it works.
Like every single diet people will suggest on MFP none of them suit everyone and you have to do your research and make informed decisions yourself.
That said, staying about 50g (approx. is ideal as you will be just outside the range of ketosis, however everybody reacts differently so sometimes it's a bit of trial an error).
Of all the diets I have researched before choosing one, I did find the primal blueprint to best suit my health needs.
He has a free podcast, I would suggest going on to his website and listening to the one he posted last week.
Don't be put off by the fact he sells supplements - he doesn't force them on anyone and in fact - like me you can happily follow the blueprint free of charge.
Again I will advice any information you get either on this site or anywhere else, do your own research.
Good luck.
Thank you so much0 -
Eats it up - great pun.
Hey dude I would hope that anyone following primal would do some background themselves - I know I do.
Plus, show me a diet or a study group that doesn't cherry pick their facts (or come from a bias side)!! In fact almost everyone I see debating on the MFP forums have their own unshakable (and unmoveable) belief in what's true, based on their own opinions from which they have cherry picked research to support.
That's why I did a fair bit of researching before choosing the primal.
Does the vast majority of research, particularly tightly controlled trials in which cals and protein are held constant, show any fat loss advantage for low carb diets? And Sisson's beloved Grok ate a high carb diet in the insidious weight gain range of his curve, oops
Did you know Sisson calls added sugars poisons but adds them to his own protein powders, whoops again0 -
I started low carb at the start of the year.
I have my macros set to 40 fat/30 carb/30 protein. (I'm starting to lose inches like crazy! Now the weight is dropping again!)
This makes my carbs around 166 g and I set my sugars to 75 g.
It works for me.
I would say go for your NET carbs. I know the primal blueprint is close to paleo but I know nothing of the diagram.
I went to the low carb after reading...
.... do I say it?
GARY TAUBES (Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It)
If you are interested, please find a low carb group to join to find additional support from other low carbers.
Yaaaaay, confirmation bias and suggesting another guy who just makes things up with no basis in reality0 -
Acg67 - have you actually read anything of Taubes? It's very scientifically based, and he has the list of resources to prove it. I understand he is not a biologist, but - he is an actual scientist and knows how to conduct research, theorize, and what not.
Anyone interested can also look up the Nutrition Science Initiative, of which Taubes is a co-founder.I started low carb at the start of the year.
I have my macros set to 40 fat/30 carb/30 protein. (I'm starting to lose inches like crazy! Now the weight is dropping again!)
This makes my carbs around 166 g and I set my sugars to 75 g.
It works for me.
I would say go for your NET carbs. I know the primal blueprint is close to paleo but I know nothing of the diagram.
I went to the low carb after reading...
.... do I say it?
GARY TAUBES (Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It)
If you are interested, please find a low carb group to join to find additional support from other low carbers.
Yaaaaay, confirmation bias and suggesting another guy who just makes things up with no basis in reality0 -
Acg67 - have you actually read anything of Taubes? It's very scientifically based, and he has the list of resources to prove it. I understand he is not a biologist, but - he is an actual scientist and knows how to conduct research, theorize, and what not.
Anyone interested can also look up the Nutrition Science Initiative, of which Taubes is a co-founder.
I've read GCBC and Why We Get Fat, his blog and NYT pieces, stuff like this is completely made up and not supported whatsoever
"If you restrict only carbohydrates, you can always eat more protein and fat if you feel the urge, since they have no effect on fat accumulation"
Location 2519 Kindle edition of Why We Get Fat
"But protein and fat don't make us fat-only the carbohydrates do-so there is no reason to curtail them in any way"
Location 3064 Why We Get Fat0 -
If low carb helps you adhere to your "diet" (caloric deficit) then it works for you. But it is the deficit doing the work, not the low carb.0
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Acg67 - have you actually read anything of Taubes? It's very scientifically based, and he has the list of resources to prove it. I understand he is not a biologist, but - he is an actual scientist and knows how to conduct research, theorize, and what not.
Anyone interested can also look up the Nutrition Science Initiative, of which Taubes is a co-founder.
I'm interested in real science, something Taubes fails at miserably........
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/why-we-get-fat/
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2011/05/16/thin-body-of-evidence-why-i-have-doubts-about-gary-taubess-why-we-get-fat/
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ca/2011/08/carbohydrate-hypothesis-of-obesity.html
and more.......0 -
Some people want to try a low carb diet. Some say it is working for them. Others think it has no basis in reality. While still others think it helps create a calorie deficit that leads to weight loss.
That about cover it? I think those opinions are adequately expressed in this thread now.
Anyone else have any input on the question the OP actually asked?0 -
Eats it up - great pun.
Hey dude I would hope that anyone following primal would do some background themselves - I know I do.
Plus, show me a diet or a study group that doesn't cherry pick their facts (or come from a bias side)!! In fact almost everyone I see debating on the MFP forums have their own unshakable (and unmoveable) belief in what's true, based on their own opinions from which they have cherry picked research to support.
That's why I did a fair bit of researching before choosing the primal.
Does the vast majority of research, particularly tightly controlled trials in which cals and protein are held constant, show any fat loss advantage for low carb diets? And Sisson's beloved Grok ate a high carb diet in the insidious weight gain range of his curve, oops
Did you know Sisson calls added sugars poisons but adds them to his own protein powders, whoops again
A supplement manufacturer using added sugar, what next are you going to suggest he uses bulking agents? A revelation like that would rock the very foundations of my belief system.
You seem to have a real downer on people suggesting low carb (are you secretly the CEO of Kelloggs) You and erickirb look very similar is this one of those conspiracy thing?????
Just because low carb doesn't suit you doesn't mean it won't suit others. For example I'm not in to line dancing (its a phobia about tassels sort of thing), but I know loads of people that love it (in fact I think Mark Sissons is big line dancer) and I wouldn't suggest to them not to do just because its not my bag.
By the way a link about a low carb study showing loss of body fat and maintenance of lean mass.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/120777320 -
Eats it up - great pun.
Hey dude I would hope that anyone following primal would do some background themselves - I know I do.
Plus, show me a diet or a study group that doesn't cherry pick their facts (or come from a bias side)!! In fact almost everyone I see debating on the MFP forums have their own unshakable (and unmoveable) belief in what's true, based on their own opinions from which they have cherry picked research to support.
That's why I did a fair bit of researching before choosing the primal.
Does the vast majority of research, particularly tightly controlled trials in which cals and protein are held constant, show any fat loss advantage for low carb diets? And Sisson's beloved Grok ate a high carb diet in the insidious weight gain range of his curve, oops
Did you know Sisson calls added sugars poisons but adds them to his own protein powders, whoops again
A supplement manufacturer using added sugar, what next are you going to suggest he uses bulking agents? A revelation like that would rock the very foundations of my belief system.
You seem to have a real downer on people suggesting low carb (are you secretly the CEO of Kelloggs) You and erickirb look very similar is this one of those conspiracy thing?????
Just because low carb doesn't suit you doesn't mean it won't suit others. For example I'm not in to line dancing (its a phobia about tassels sort of thing), but I know loads of people that love it (in fact I think Mark Sissons is big line dancer) and I wouldn't suggest to them not to do just because its not my bag.
By the way a link about a low carb study showing loss of body fat and maintenance of lean mass.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/120777320 -
Great you've got my email, please feel free to send over the studies that dispute this one.
Plus as an added note of course this study would have been financed by some association such as Atkins ( would kelloggs want to conduct such a study).
Please don't be naive, behind every study there's someone or some organisation with a vested interest.0 -
Great you've got my email, please feel free to send over the studies that dispute this one.0
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As I've added to my post above every study will have its vested interests and will probably direct the study to get the results it wants.
I'm looking forward to reading the studies you are going to send over disputing the results of this one.
Cheers0 -
Great you've got my email, please feel free to send over the studies that dispute this one.
Plus as an added note of course this study would have been financed by some association such as Atkins ( would kelloggs want to conduct such a study).
Please don't be naive, behind every study there's someone or some organisation with a vested interest.0 -
Great send over the ones that dispute low carbs medium too high fat and protein reduce body fat and maintain lean mass and I'll have a thorough read of them.
Look forward to getting through????0 -
As I've added to my post above every study will have its vested interests and will probably direct the study to get the results it wants.
I'm looking forward to reading the studies you are going to send over disputing the results of this one.
CheersMean (±SE) weight losses (6.3 ± 0.6 and 7.2 ± 0.8 kg in KLC and NLC dieters, respectively; P = 0.324) and fat losses (3.4 and 5.5 kg in KLC and NLC dieters, respectively; P = 0.111) did not differ significantly by group after 6 wk.All food and drink were provided to subjects, and energy intake was strictly controlled.
The group that consumed 40% carbs as opposed to 5% actually lost more fat mass, which for study pruposes is statistically insignificant, but this study wasn't about weight loss, it's focus was elsewhere.
Funny how believers need to believe. I find paleo dieters and vegans have much in common in regards to the belief system. I'm sure your not disagreeing that we should look at studies from all sides of the matter?0 -
If it works for you, if you have more energy, if your skin looks better, if your blood work is improving, if you are losing the fat, then ignore the nay-sayers and follow the low carb plan.
Everyone's body chemistry and genetics are slightly different. You have to do your own research and ultimately do what works for you.0 -
If it floats your boat, and you like the plan, then who cares. It's your body, your choice, your lifestyle. We are all built differently. What works for one person doesn't necessary work for another. Give me a bag of carrots and greek yogurt, I'm a happy camper. Give me a steak and popcorn, I'm killing over in pain.0
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Eats it up - great pun.
Hey dude I would hope that anyone following primal would do some background themselves - I know I do.
Plus, show me a diet or a study group that doesn't cherry pick their facts (or come from a bias side)!! In fact almost everyone I see debating on the MFP forums have their own unshakable (and unmoveable) belief in what's true, based on their own opinions from which they have cherry picked research to support.
That's why I did a fair bit of researching before choosing the primal.
Does the vast majority of research, particularly tightly controlled trials in which cals and protein are held constant, show any fat loss advantage for low carb diets? And Sisson's beloved Grok ate a high carb diet in the insidious weight gain range of his curve, oops
Did you know Sisson calls added sugars poisons but adds them to his own protein powders, whoops again
A supplement manufacturer using added sugar, what next are you going to suggest he uses bulking agents? A revelation like that would rock the very foundations of my belief system.
You seem to have a real downer on people suggesting low carb (are you secretly the CEO of Kelloggs) You and erickirb look very similar is this one of those conspiracy thing?????
Just because low carb doesn't suit you doesn't mean it won't suit others. For example I'm not in to line dancing (its a phobia about tassels sort of thing), but I know loads of people that love it (in fact I think Mark Sissons is big line dancer) and I wouldn't suggest to them not to do just because its not my bag.
By the way a link about a low carb study showing loss of body fat and maintenance of lean mass.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12077732
http://www.colorado.edu/intphys/Class/IPHY3700_Greene/pdfs/atkins/Volek_diet.pdf
So self reported intake and didn't control for protein intake? And done by Volek? lol
What's next the Phinney fat adaptation studies or maybe the A to Z study? lol0 -
Thanks for the study. Interesting thing is that as you mentioned In the Atkins study they minipulate the conditions to suit there out come. Well same applys on this one. the study was done based on a sedatury study group. And also based on a low calorie group trying to achieve ketosis.
As you will know with the primal blue print (I hope you've done your research this time and are not confusing them with Atkins) they promote lean body mass maintanence and an active life style so this study you have provided is not a relative comparison.
Hopefully you have something more appropriate you can send me.
Cheers0
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