Is a Low-Carb Diet for You? Most Likely Not.

jennahbooboo

Oh hello, pasta.
Get in my belly.

My absolute weakness.

littlekitty3

I am a supporter of the "high carb" lifestyle.
Sure we humans are adaptable to just about anything. But going all low carb is basically cutting calories. Going low carb is putting you closer to ketosis, which is bad. Eating way too much protein (especially meat) actually triggers cancer cells. "But but I dont have cancer and I eat loads of meat" Ok and so did the other guy say about smoking cigarettes and has a case of black lung that could have a few cancerous cells starting out.
I caught on the post about low fat packaged foods. Yea it's all processed junk. Who needs processed junk? It tastes like sheeeeeet. Want something sweet? Eat an orange or a banana. It's not gonna kill you. The fruit sugar is not going to kill you, but the sugar in that low fat processed junk might screw your body up a bit.

As for the whole "misunderstanding on low carb". There isn't. Low carb is low carb, just because you say it's low carb because you're cutting out processed food or cutting back on calories doesn't make it low carb. Low carb came around because fat free came around and chemically process junk came from it. Low carb makes you friggen brain dead.
Eat whole foods in the most natural state as possible and STFU
/end rand

parkscs

Protein causes cancer like cigarettes do and low carbs leads to brain damage. Awesome contribution.

Wow. :noway:

Dragonwolf

Here is one among many: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1373635/

Good post. Here is where I get skeptical:

Conclusion
Although more long-term studies are needed before a firm conclusion can be drawn, it appears, from most literature studied, that a VLCARB is, if anything, protective against muscle protein catabolism during energy restriction, provided that it contains adequate amounts of protein.

Even elite bodybuilders will incorporate a keto diet into their training when competition is getting closer.

The longest study in that post was 9 weeks. Yet, you have some people that will tell you they have been on a keto diet for years. Where is the study that shows the long term effects of these diets? What about the results after someone stops this way of eating? How much weight might be gained at that point?

Where are the studies that show the results after someone stops Mediterranean/low-fat/veg*n/WW diets? Oh wait, there aren't any, because they're supposed to be lifestyle changes. A ketogenic or low-carb diet is designed to be, at the very least, a long term one to help correct health issues, and for many people, it is a permanent lifestyle change. It boggles my mind that low carb diets are pretty much the only ones criticized for what happens after someone stops following it.

That said, to provide some counter research to the OP, I'll just leave this here - http://eatingacademy.com/ It goes into great detail about ketosis, the ketogenic diet, and what it's like to live on it long-term (he's been on it for nearly 3 years now), including DEXA scans and notes on athletic performance. The main takeaways? No, it's not catabolic over the long term. No, it's not dangerous over the long term. No, it doesn't really affect performance after you're adapted (even on 600 mile bike rides). No, it's not for everyone, but it's not some "niche" thing that only a relative handful can pull off, either.

yarwell

But going all low carb is basically cutting calories. Going low carb is putting you closer to ketosis, which is bad.

You can eat masses of calories on low carb if you want, like this guy http://www.eatlowcarbhighfat.com/ Fat is the most calories per gram, after all. Cream, mmmmm.

No idea what's bad about ketosis, I like having a secondary supply of energy to my brain so I don't suffer from low blood sugar and "lack of energy" whatever that is.

lola0003

I love CARBSSSSS :bigsmile:

Dragonwolf

I am a supporter of the "high carb" lifestyle.
Sure we humans are adaptable to just about anything. But going all low carb is basically cutting calories. Going low carb is putting you closer to ketosis, which is bad. Eating way too much protein (especially meat) actually triggers cancer cells. "But but I dont have cancer and I eat loads of meat" Ok and so did the other guy say about smoking cigarettes and has a case of black lung that could have a few cancerous cells starting out.
I caught on the post about low fat packaged foods. Yea it's all processed junk. Who needs processed junk? It tastes like sheeeeeet. Want something sweet? Eat an orange or a banana. It's not gonna kill you. The fruit sugar is not going to kill you, but the sugar in that low fat processed junk might screw your body up a bit.

As for the whole "misunderstanding on low carb". There isn't. Low carb is low carb, just because you say it's low carb because you're cutting out processed food or cutting back on calories doesn't make it low carb. Low carb came around because fat free came around and chemically process junk came from it. Low carb makes you friggen brain dead.
Eat whole foods in the most natural state as possible and STFU
/end rand

When they were still on their traditional diet, the only cancer the Inuit got was from burning animal fat in a rather enclosed space.

The "Forks Over Knives" assertion that protein causes cancer is so much of a leap, it'd put a flying squirrel to shame. The study found that casein would potentially feed tumors that already existed in rats. Casein is milk protein, a specific protein that is known to be uniquely hard for many humans to process. This does not, by any stretch of the imagination, cross over to people who don't have tumors or to any other proteins.

Also, the studies in that "documentary" make no differentiation between an Oscar Meyer hot dog and a grass-fed steak. Hint - there's a world of difference between a meat product that's basically the end-of-the-line scraps from factory farmed animals that have since gone through a questionably-sanitary industrial meat processing plant and pumped full of questionably-safe non-organic/man-made chemicals, and cuts of meat from an animal that was raised in humane conditions, eating the food it was meant to eat, and butchered and packed at a local butcher shop.

Ketosis is not dangerous. Ketoacidosis is dangerous. Thankfully, Ketoacidosis can only happen if the body cannot produce insulin (ie - Type 1 Diabetes). Ketosis is regulated by insulin.

Fructose is one of the primary factors in non-aloholic fatty liver disease, and that part doesn't matter whether you're eating it from fruit or sucrose. So there is that.

Ketogenic diets came around as a treatment to seizure, in the early 1900s. Try again.

lizzyclatworthy

You say low carb and my brain automatically starts screaming for pizza. it's a defense mechanism!

parkscs

The "Forks Over Knives" assertion that protein causes cancer is so much of a leap, it'd put a flying squirrel to shame. The study found that casein would potentially feed tumors that already existed in rats. Casein is milk protein, a specific protein that is known to be uniquely hard for many humans to process. This does not, by any stretch of the imagination, cross over to people who don't have tumors or to any other proteins.

Oh I'm sure it causes cancer in the state of California, but otherwise not so much. :laugh:

MelRC117

I am a supporter of the "high carb" lifestyle.
Sure we humans are adaptable to just about anything. But going all low carb is basically cutting calories. Going low carb is putting you closer to ketosis, which is bad. Eating way too much protein (especially meat) actually triggers cancer cells. "But but I dont have cancer and I eat loads of meat" Ok and so did the other guy say about smoking cigarettes and has a case of black lung that could have a few cancerous cells starting out.
I caught on the post about low fat packaged foods. Yea it's all processed junk. Who needs processed junk? It tastes like sheeeeeet. Want something sweet? Eat an orange or a banana. It's not gonna kill you. The fruit sugar is not going to kill you, but the sugar in that low fat processed junk might screw your body up a bit.

As for the whole "misunderstanding on low carb". There isn't. Low carb is low carb, just because you say it's low carb because you're cutting out processed food or cutting back on calories doesn't make it low carb. Low carb came around because fat free came around and chemically process junk came from it. Low carb makes you friggen brain dead.
Eat whole foods in the most natural state as possible and STFU
/end rand

1. Low carb isn't eating "way too much protein"
2. Who says they are low carb because they're cutting back on calories? The ratio is what they are referring to. I could be eating 30% carb, 50% fat, 20% protein on 1700 calories or 3700 calories...you don't know the total calories. THAT is for what people may not agree on; what percentage of calories coming from carbs meets the "low carb" threshold. 30% is not low to me. In fact, anything over 10%, maybe 15% I do not consider low.
3. How is sugar in processed junk going to kill someone but not fruit sugar. Sugar is sugar is sugar to your body.
4. Whoever thinks a Kit Kat or Doritos taste like ****t cannot be trusted. Or they are lying. I'm going to go with lying.

I suggest when you go on a rant and tell everyone to "STFU" you do it with a little more of an educated rant. Or should a say rand?

littlekitty3

I am a supporter of the "high carb" lifestyle.
Sure we humans are adaptable to just about anything. But going all low carb is basically cutting calories. Going low carb is putting you closer to ketosis, which is bad. Eating way too much protein (especially meat) actually triggers cancer cells. "But but I dont have cancer and I eat loads of meat" Ok and so did the other guy say about smoking cigarettes and has a case of black lung that could have a few cancerous cells starting out.
I caught on the post about low fat packaged foods. Yea it's all processed junk. Who needs processed junk? It tastes like sheeeeeet. Want something sweet? Eat an orange or a banana. It's not gonna kill you. The fruit sugar is not going to kill you, but the sugar in that low fat processed junk might screw your body up a bit.

As for the whole "misunderstanding on low carb". There isn't. Low carb is low carb, just because you say it's low carb because you're cutting out processed food or cutting back on calories doesn't make it low carb. Low carb came around because fat free came around and chemically process junk came from it. Low carb makes you friggen brain dead.
Eat whole foods in the most natural state as possible and STFU
/end rand

1. Low carb isn't eating "way too much protein"
2. Who says they are low carb because they're cutting back on calories? The ratio is what they are referring to. I could be eating 30% carb, 50% fat, 20% protein on 1700 calories or 3700 calories...you don't know the total calories. THAT is for what people may not agree on; what percentage of calories coming from carbs meets the "low carb" threshold. 30% is not low to me. In fact, anything over 10%, maybe 15% I do not consider low.
3. How is sugar in processed junk going to kill someone but not fruit sugar. Sugar is sugar is sugar to your body.
4. Whoever thinks a Kit Kat or Doritos taste like ****t cannot be trusted. Or they are lying. I'm going to go with lying.

I suggest when you go on a rant and tell everyone to "STFU" you do it with a little more of an educated rant. Or should a say rand?

1) Low carb usually ends up being higher in protein.
2) Low carb is usually cutting back on calories (things they consider junk food) or having a calorie control like counting carbs. When you up your protein and fat intake your appetite is suppressed.
3) Fruit sugar is metabolized differently in your body than processed.
4) I used to eat Kit Kats and Doritos until I started eating whole foods. When you eat whole foods and then after a while eat the processed food again it tastes pretty terrible.

And I have educated myself with nutrition. I was also a D1 runner in college and a nutritionist for a coach in high school, if I didn't have this knowledge I would've competed like crap.

MelRC117

I am a supporter of the "high carb" lifestyle.
Sure we humans are adaptable to just about anything. But going all low carb is basically cutting calories. Going low carb is putting you closer to ketosis, which is bad. Eating way too much protein (especially meat) actually triggers cancer cells. "But but I dont have cancer and I eat loads of meat" Ok and so did the other guy say about smoking cigarettes and has a case of black lung that could have a few cancerous cells starting out.
I caught on the post about low fat packaged foods. Yea it's all processed junk. Who needs processed junk? It tastes like sheeeeeet. Want something sweet? Eat an orange or a banana. It's not gonna kill you. The fruit sugar is not going to kill you, but the sugar in that low fat processed junk might screw your body up a bit.

As for the whole "misunderstanding on low carb". There isn't. Low carb is low carb, just because you say it's low carb because you're cutting out processed food or cutting back on calories doesn't make it low carb. Low carb came around because fat free came around and chemically process junk came from it. Low carb makes you friggen brain dead.
Eat whole foods in the most natural state as possible and STFU
/end rand

1. Low carb isn't eating "way too much protein"
2. Who says they are low carb because they're cutting back on calories? The ratio is what they are referring to. I could be eating 30% carb, 50% fat, 20% protein on 1700 calories or 3700 calories...you don't know the total calories. THAT is for what people may not agree on; what percentage of calories coming from carbs meets the "low carb" threshold. 30% is not low to me. In fact, anything over 10%, maybe 15% I do not consider low.
3. How is sugar in processed junk going to kill someone but not fruit sugar. Sugar is sugar is sugar to your body.
4. Whoever thinks a Kit Kat or Doritos taste like ****t cannot be trusted. Or they are lying. I'm going to go with lying.

I suggest when you go on a rant and tell everyone to "STFU" you do it with a little more of an educated rant. Or should a say rand?

1) Low carb usually ends up being higher in protein.
2) Low carb is usually cutting back on calories (things they consider junk food) or having a calorie control like counting carbs. When you up your protein and fat intake your appetite is suppressed.
3) Fruit sugar is metabolized differently in your body than processed.
4) I used to eat Kit Kats and Doritos until I started eating whole foods. When you eat whole foods and then after a while eat the processed food again it tastes pretty terrible.

And I have educated myself with nutrition. I was also a D1 runner in college and a nutritionist for a coach in high school, if I didn't have this knowledge I would've competed like crap.

1. No, not necessarily. May be higher but not out of the moderate range.
2. I don't consider bread junk food. I don't consider an orange junk food. I cut back on my calories by not eating those foods or not in the quantity I normally would. I understand how low carb works to suppress your appetite, thus calorie deficit.
3. How is fruit sugar metabolized differently? My body would get really messed up on a fruit filled donut.
4. I'm curious as what you consider a "whole food"? Is spinach a whole food? There's no way spinach tastes better than Doritos. Or is it only organic spinach?

EvanKeel

I am a supporter of the "high carb" lifestyle.
Sure we humans are adaptable to just about anything. But going all low carb is basically cutting calories. Going low carb is putting you closer to ketosis, which is bad. Eating way too much protein (especially meat) actually triggers cancer cells. "But but I dont have cancer and I eat loads of meat" Ok and so did the other guy say about smoking cigarettes and has a case of black lung that could have a few cancerous cells starting out.
I caught on the post about low fat packaged foods. Yea it's all processed junk. Who needs processed junk? It tastes like sheeeeeet. Want something sweet? Eat an orange or a banana. It's not gonna kill you. The fruit sugar is not going to kill you, but the sugar in that low fat processed junk might screw your body up a bit.

As for the whole "misunderstanding on low carb". There isn't. Low carb is low carb, just because you say it's low carb because you're cutting out processed food or cutting back on calories doesn't make it low carb. Low carb came around because fat free came around and chemically process junk came from it. Low carb makes you friggen brain dead.
Eat whole foods in the most natural state as possible and STFU
/end rand

1. Low carb isn't eating "way too much protein"
2. Who says they are low carb because they're cutting back on calories? The ratio is what they are referring to. I could be eating 30% carb, 50% fat, 20% protein on 1700 calories or 3700 calories...you don't know the total calories. THAT is for what people may not agree on; what percentage of calories coming from carbs meets the "low carb" threshold. 30% is not low to me. In fact, anything over 10%, maybe 15% I do not consider low.
3. How is sugar in processed junk going to kill someone but not fruit sugar. Sugar is sugar is sugar to your body.
4. Whoever thinks a Kit Kat or Doritos taste like ****t cannot be trusted. Or they are lying. I'm going to go with lying.

I suggest when you go on a rant and tell everyone to "STFU" you do it with a little more of an educated rant. Or should a say rand?

1) Low carb usually ends up being higher in protein.
2) Low carb is usually cutting back on calories (things they consider junk food) or having a calorie control like counting carbs. When you up your protein and fat intake your appetite is suppressed.
3) Fruit sugar is metabolized differently in your body than processed.
4) I used to eat Kit Kats and Doritos until I started eating whole foods. When you eat whole foods and then after a while eat the processed food again it tastes pretty terrible.

And I have educated myself with nutrition. I was also a D1 runner in college and a nutritionist for a coach in high school, if I didn't have this knowledge I would've competed like crap.

1 and 2) "Usually" means just exactly nothing. It's really best to speak in specific terms about a situation, hypothetical or otherwise. I have no interest in what people "might" do or what they're "likely" to do. I'd venture to say that anyone pushing on a stance about behavior is probably selling something.

3) Good luck proving that sufficiently. Fractionated sugars and metabolic shunting are interesting concepts. I'm looking forward the research that will come of it, but your claim is currently not supported.

4) Nope. I eat a mix of whole foods and "crap." There are items in each category that detest and some of both that I love. Okra? Hideously bad. Awful. There is nothing you can do to that to make it good, including deep frying and dipping it chocolate. On the flip side, I'll take an apple over Swedish fish any day; they're just weird.

I could take a few course by mail and call myself a nutritionist. I suspect an actual RD would be somewhat more likely to go by an 80/20 rule as far as whole, nutrient dense foods go.

cshouston81

I am a supporter of the "high carb" lifestyle.
Sure we humans are adaptable to just about anything. But going all low carb is basically cutting calories. Going low carb is putting you closer to ketosis, which is bad. Eating way too much protein (especially meat) actually triggers cancer cells. "But but I dont have cancer and I eat loads of meat" Ok and so did the other guy say about smoking cigarettes and has a case of black lung that could have a few cancerous cells starting out.
I caught on the post about low fat packaged foods. Yea it's all processed junk. Who needs processed junk? It tastes like sheeeeeet. Want something sweet? Eat an orange or a banana. It's not gonna kill you. The fruit sugar is not going to kill you, but the sugar in that low fat processed junk might screw your body up a bit.

As for the whole "misunderstanding on low carb". There isn't. Low carb is low carb, just because you say it's low carb because you're cutting out processed food or cutting back on calories doesn't make it low carb. Low carb came around because fat free came around and chemically process junk came from it. Low carb makes you friggen brain dead.
Eat whole foods in the most natural state as possible and STFU
/end rand

1. Low carb isn't eating "way too much protein"
2. Who says they are low carb because they're cutting back on calories? The ratio is what they are referring to. I could be eating 30% carb, 50% fat, 20% protein on 1700 calories or 3700 calories...you don't know the total calories. THAT is for what people may not agree on; what percentage of calories coming from carbs meets the "low carb" threshold. 30% is not low to me. In fact, anything over 10%, maybe 15% I do not consider low.
3. How is sugar in processed junk going to kill someone but not fruit sugar. Sugar is sugar is sugar to your body.
4. Whoever thinks a Kit Kat or Doritos taste like ****t cannot be trusted. Or they are lying. I'm going to go with lying.

I suggest when you go on a rant and tell everyone to "STFU" you do it with a little more of an educated rant. Or should a say rand?

1) Low carb usually ends up being higher in protein.
2) Low carb is usually cutting back on calories (things they consider junk food) or having a calorie control like counting carbs. When you up your protein and fat intake your appetite is suppressed.
3) Fruit sugar is metabolized differently in your body than processed.
4) I used to eat Kit Kats and Doritos until I started eating whole foods. When you eat whole foods and then after a while eat the processed food again it tastes pretty terrible.

And I have educated myself with nutrition. I was also a D1 runner in college and a nutritionist for a coach in high school, if I didn't have this knowledge I would've competed like crap.

Do yourself a favor and just stop now. Your arguments are full of logical fallacies and disinformation.

travispuknocarbs

But going all low carb is basically cutting calories. Going low carb is putting you closer to ketosis, which is bad.

You can eat masses of calories on low carb if you want, like this guy http://www.eatlowcarbhighfat.com/ Fat is the most calories per gram, after all. Cream, mmmmm.

No idea what's bad about ketosis, I like having a secondary supply of energy to my brain so I don't suffer from low blood sugar and "lack of energy" whatever that is.

yarwell, I suspect littlekitty3 is confused about what ketosis is and in fact like most people who have been misled by the high carb mantra actually thinks it means ketoacidosis, which is very dangerous... but not much to do with ketosis.

FXOjafar

Low carb.

When Bacon and Eggs for breakfast and Strawberries and Cream for desert become health food.

I just love a diet that lets me eat stuff I enjoy (oh Camembert, how I love thee) and still lose weight without much exercise and I continue to astound the doctor with the blood work results which are bang on perfect.

I feel great! I'm off now for a nice 16km bushwalk/rock climbing with friends and I'm not going to forget to take my cheese and Biltong!

neanderthin

Low carb.

When Bacon and Eggs for breakfast and Strawberries and Cream for desert become health food.

I just love a diet that lets me eat stuff I enjoy (oh Camembert, how I love thee) and still lose weight without much exercise and I continue to astound the doctor with the blood work results which are bang on perfect.

I feel great! I'm off now for a nice 16km bushwalk/rock climbing with friends and I'm not going to forget to take my cheese and Biltong!

You sir, rock your diet.

RamaAkyer

I go crazy if I get below 200g of carbs a day

fitandfortyish

Can you tell me why there are requirements by the body to have fat and protein but we can live well with absolutely no carbs? I suggest you get informed. As for needing carbs for exercise, that has been proven to be false. The body converts fat and protein to glucose just fine. Think of eskimos - protein and fat and no carbs and they are healthy. We eat a lot of carbs and this nation is getting fatter and fatter.

Total agreement...although huge difference between low carb and no-carb. Lots and lots of science backing cardio efficiency with lower carb diets--that is unless you are a endurance Olympic athlete. That changes things a bit...

johnnye1972

I am a supporter of the "high carb" lifestyle.
Sure we humans are adaptable to just about anything. But going all low carb is basically cutting calories. Going low carb is putting you closer to ketosis, which is bad. Eating way too much protein (especially meat) actually triggers cancer cells. "But but I dont have cancer and I eat loads of meat" Ok and so did the other guy say about smoking cigarettes and has a case of black lung that could have a few cancerous cells starting out.
I caught on the post about low fat packaged foods. Yea it's all processed junk. Who needs processed junk? It tastes like sheeeeeet. Want something sweet? Eat an orange or a banana. It's not gonna kill you. The fruit sugar is not going to kill you, but the sugar in that low fat processed junk might screw your body up a bit.

As for the whole "misunderstanding on low carb". There isn't. Low carb is low carb, just because you say it's low carb because you're cutting out processed food or cutting back on calories doesn't make it low carb. Low carb came around because fat free came around and chemically process junk came from it. Low carb makes you friggen brain dead.
Eat whole foods in the most natural state as possible and STFU
/end rand

1. Low carb isn't eating "way too much protein"
2. Who says they are low carb because they're cutting back on calories? The ratio is what they are referring to. I could be eating 30% carb, 50% fat, 20% protein on 1700 calories or 3700 calories...you don't know the total calories. THAT is for what people may not agree on; what percentage of calories coming from carbs meets the "low carb" threshold. 30% is not low to me. In fact, anything over 10%, maybe 15% I do not consider low.
3. How is sugar in processed junk going to kill someone but not fruit sugar. Sugar is sugar is sugar to your body.
4. Whoever thinks a Kit Kat or Doritos taste like ****t cannot be trusted. Or they are lying. I'm going to go with lying.

I suggest when you go on a rant and tell everyone to "STFU" you do it with a little more of an educated rant. Or should a say rand?

1) Low carb usually ends up being higher in protein.
2) Low carb is usually cutting back on calories (things they consider junk food) or having a calorie control like counting carbs. When you up your protein and fat intake your appetite is suppressed.
3) Fruit sugar is metabolized differently in your body than processed.
4) I used to eat Kit Kats and Doritos until I started eating whole foods. When you eat whole foods and then after a while eat the processed food again it tastes pretty terrible.

And I have educated myself with nutrition. I was also a D1 runner in college and a nutritionist for a coach in high school, if I didn't have this knowledge I would've competed like crap.

Do yourself a favor and just stop now. Your arguments are full of logical fallacies and disinformation.

No! How dare you attempt to stop Littlekitty posting?? Reading Littlekitty's posts are my comedic relief for the day. I show everybody at work LIttlekitty's posts and we all get a good laugh.

happyrelation

Young adults are already in a category that lose weight a lot faster than say someone who is 45.
I am 40 and found P90X and Insanity worked well..very well. Bill Phillips Body for Life worked very well years ago.
And I wanted something that was easier on my body, didn't take as much time, and I didn't have to think about what my next meal was going to be.
I researched and found two that my full criteria. I know there are more out there...
First I found one that is great for men and women at http://buildthemuscle.net.
And the one I decided to do because it has a great support system of women doing the program and finished the program, just for women, and simply laid out and guaranteed and I found it at http://inshapenow.net.
I'm losing on average 1 1/2 pounds a week.
I think one of the keys to success is setting yourself up for success. Find a plan that is realistic to your lifestyle so you aren't cheating or angry at yourself for missing a workout or a meal.

To your lifestyle change!