Paleo = dying young?
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Why don't you view my diary back from 1/1/2014 - current. I strive for 80/20 under my primal diet, sometimes I come close or better, other times not as much. I do beer as part of my Primal diet. But pretty much you're going to find a huge salad every day (or multiple), a meat a veggie dish for dinner, eggs, nuts, diary and tea.
You're not proving anything by calling out the %20 of my 80/20, except that Paleo can be fun because it's designed to allow for treats and cheats. Nevermind the fact that last weekend was Valentines day and my daughter's birthday which is a great reason to have your Primal cheat day!
Unlike your diary which shows something to the tune of 3,000+ calories of drive-thru a day, now that we're throwing stones.
I don't actually care what you eat, but according to this definition, myself and about 3/4 of my friends list is "paleo." If this is a paleo diet, how is that word meaningful? You eat *less* fast food than some others? That just sounds like personal taste, I honestly don't get why it needs a name.
This is.... impressive.
Also, can you please define what you mean by "PBS please"?
Peanut Butter Sandwich
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Primal Bull ****?
Anyway, did anyone answer me why I should eat Primal/Paleo because of Hashimoto's? I tried combing through the thread, but it's gotten massive.
Many thanks.
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Your best bet is to look into it. There's a few sites I personally eat primal.
You may find it's not for you, but I would personally recommend looking.
I have always believed that Primal/Paleo isn't for me due to the restriction on legumes. I thought it meant avoiding them, but I'm more confused after this thread. I'm not trying to pick on the person's diary, but I can't understand what makes it primal. (Leaving out the cheat days Jonnythan has been quoting. Disregard those completely, and I don't understand what makes the other days primal.)0 -
I also thought paleo/primal avoided dairy....
I believe there is a split on this. Strict paleo avoids dairy. Primal and non-strict Paleo permits it depending on whether you can tolerate it or not. Some can and some can't. I think both recommend high fat or full fat versions when possible (whole milk rather than non-fat milk, but butter, cream, cheese fine for those that can tolerate it).0 -
Compared to this diary, I suspect that *you* are closer to "paleo/primal".
This is not even close to my diary. Pull the report from 1/1/14-current if you want to see it.
He pulled everyone of my cheats to mis-represent me.
Trust me I don't believe a word that guy says!!!
Why not? He's given excellent advice a number of times in numerous threads, and calls people out on their BS.0 -
is yogurt and pork rinds paleo/primal?AsaThorsWoman, I went back and reviewed your diary back to 1/1 as instructed. It appears that you started on the new year with a more or less Primal diet. WIthin a few weeks it started turning from Primal into a more... omnivorous sort of calorie-counting diet. By the standards of Primal, the entirety of February has been an abject disaster, starting with February 1 where over 2/3 of your daily intake came from cake, pizza, ice cream bars, and cookies. It's been off and on since the 1300 calories of beer on January 30 but more off than on.
This is a common trajectory for New Years' Resolutions. I'm encouraged, however, that you are still logging even though your diet is decidedly non-Primal.
Look at it this way. Look Monday thru Friday. The only non-primal things listed are my 900 freakin' calorie peice of cake Monday and some frozen yogurt Wednesday night.
I guess Saturday and Sunday don't count? Then again there's all this:
Wednesday 2/12:
Alcohol - Peppermint Schnapps, 4 oz 500 32 0 0 0 0
Anheuser-Busch - Budweiser, 36 floz 435 32 0 4 60 0
Taco Bell - Nachos Bell Grande, 308 g 760 85 39 19 1,320 13
Thursday 2/13:
Long John Silver's - Battered Fish, 1 piece 230 14 15 12 580 0
Long John Silver's - (Tartar Sauce), 1 oz (28g) 90 5 7 0 230 0
Wendy's - Jr Bacon Cheeseburger (From Wendys Website), 1 burger 390 26 22 20 870 2
Walmart Bakery - Chocolate Cupcake W/ Frosting, 1 cupcake 240 35 12 1 140 0
Friday 2/14:
Hershey's Kisses - Milk Chocolate (Per Piece), 2 Kiss 46 6 3 1 8 0
Butterfingers - Valentine Hearts Candy 5 Pieces, 1 pieces 40 6 2 0 8 0
Hershey's - Reese's Peanut Butter Filled Hearts, 1 pieces 42 5 3 1 15 0
Mcdonald's - Mcdouble (No Bun, No Ketchup), 2 Sandwich 460 6 34 36 1,060 2
Market Pantry Target - Mini Cupcake -- White Cake W/ White Frosting (Serving Size: 3 Cupcakes), 3 cupcakes 330 43 17 2 200 0
Mcdonald's - Mcdouble (No Bun, No Ketchup), 2 Sandwich 460 6 34 36 1,060 2
Mcdonald's - Chicken Mcnuggets (10 Piece) W/ Sweet 'n Sour Sauce, 10 Nuggets 5.7 oz (190 g) 520 42 30 22 1,050 2
Butterfinger - Valentine Heart, 1 piece 160 23 8 2 45 0
Pearson's - King Size Mint Patties, 0.5 PATTIE 85 18 2 1 45 0
Ghirardelli Squares - Milk Chocolate With Carmel Filling, 0 oz (1 square) 0 0 0 0 0 0
Elmer's Chocolate Candy - Assorted Chocolates, 3 pieces (34g) 140 25 5 1 20 1
Barefoot Wine Merlot - Wine, 5 ozs 120 5 0 1 2 0
Monday 2/17:
the Bakery at Walmart - White Cake With Buttercreme Icing, 0.18585000000000002 cake 80g 915 130 41 6 413 0
I'm not attacking you with this information. But, seriously.... your diet doesn't even approach paleo. Or primal.
Compared to this diary, I suspect that *you* are closer to "paleo/primal".
This is not even close to my diary. Pull the report from 1/1/14-current if you want to see it.
He pulled everyone of my cheats to mis-represent me.
He did say you did well in January, or did you miss that part?
I don't recall caveman having access to Yoplait...
Yes, yogurt is very natural and great for your gut and pork rinds are pork skin and salt.
Both primal.
Yoplait is actually a paleo creation.
It came about when a caveman one day milked an ugg (that's what they called cows back then).
Mixed it with some berries, left a few days in the sun and hey presto yoplait ( or gruff juice as it was marketed back then).0 -
Compared to this diary, I suspect that *you* are closer to "paleo/primal".
This is not even close to my diary. Pull the report from 1/1/14-current if you want to see it.
He pulled everyone of my cheats to mis-represent me.
Trust me I don't believe a word that guy says!!!
Why not? He's given excellent advice a number of times in numerous threads, and calls people out on their BS.
Because he's calling THEM out on THEIR bs. If he was agreeing with them they'd love him.0 -
Compared to this diary, I suspect that *you* are closer to "paleo/primal".
This is not even close to my diary. Pull the report from 1/1/14-current if you want to see it.
He pulled everyone of my cheats to mis-represent me.
Trust me I don't believe a word that guy says!!!
Why not? He's given excellent advice a number of times in numerous threads, and calls people out on their BS.
In a previous thread he told me Santa didn't exist (be careful of his bs that's all I'll say)0 -
It's not a fad for some. People do it because of diseases like Hashimoto's.
I was told by three specialists in three different countries that there is no diet on this planet that will improve a burnt out thyroid....the moment I started to believe that and agreed to take thyroid hormones I did a lot better.
If it's totally burnt out, yes, this is true. You'll need thyroid meds. But, if it's only partially affected, which it oftentimes is in Hashi's for years, then it can help out if you can help reduce the auto-immune response that triggers it. They don't seem to know what that is, but a primal/paleo diet seems to help people. They think it may be gluten, but could be other common culprits as well -- casein, lactose, lechtins -- or something else that is avoided in Primal/Paleo that hasn't been identified yet.
Whether you need thyroid meds for your Hashi's will depend on your individual T3 and T4 numbers.0 -
Mmm peanut butter (no bread though) heavily laden with grain. Very few nutrients and sometimes difficult to digest fibre, but that's the answer to an earlier post.
If your diet as a whole is nutritionally complete then bread being nutritionally deficient is of no issue. Unless you have a medical reason, there is no reason to avoid it.0 -
Primal Bull ****?
Anyway, did anyone answer me why I should eat Primal/Paleo because of Hashimoto's? I tried combing through the thread, but it's gotten massive.
Many thanks.
I did -- I'll see if I can go back and find the post.0 -
Compared to this diary, I suspect that *you* are closer to "paleo/primal".
This is not even close to my diary. Pull the report from 1/1/14-current if you want to see it.
He pulled everyone of my cheats to mis-represent me.
Trust me I don't believe a word that guy says!!!
Why not? He's given excellent advice a number of times in numerous threads, and calls people out on their BS.
I can't speak to his advice in this thread. But, from what I've seen, he's intellectually dishonest. He misrepresents and plays with semantic and touts them as being fact. Hard to have a legit discussion with someone that is intellectually dishonest.0 -
Why is anyone attacking anyone at all? She freely admitted that she had unusual events for which she deviated from Primal eating -- mainly a birthday party, v-day and a funeral. Based on that, you're going to call someone non-Primal?
The rigidity and holier-than-thou-ness of some people is just distasteful. Like a different way of life threatens you so much that you have to attack others.
Well.. yes. She had about a month of mostly Primal eating, and about a month of distinctly non-Primal eating. Claiming that eating Primal cleared up a host of medical problems with that as your track record is more than a bit disingenuous.0 -
Why don't you view my diary back from 1/1/2014 - current. I strive for 80/20 under my primal diet, sometimes I come close or better, other times not as much. I do beer as part of my Primal diet. But pretty much you're going to find a huge salad every day (or multiple), a meat a veggie dish for dinner, eggs, nuts, diary and tea.
You're not proving anything by calling out the %20 of my 80/20, except that Paleo can be fun because it's designed to allow for treats and cheats. Nevermind the fact that last weekend was Valentines day and my daughter's birthday which is a great reason to have your Primal cheat day!
Unlike your diary which shows something to the tune of 3,000+ calories of drive-thru a day, now that we're throwing stones.
I don't actually care what you eat, but according to this definition, myself and about 3/4 of my friends list is "paleo." If this is a paleo diet, how is that word meaningful? You eat *less* fast food than some others? That just sounds like personal taste, I honestly don't get why it needs a name.
This is.... impressive.
Also, can you please define what you mean by "PBS please"?
Peanut Butter Sandwich
Mmm peanut butter (no bread though) heavily laden with grain. Very few nutrients and sometimes difficult to digest fibre, but that's the answer to an earlier post.
For real? I win? sort of...0 -
Compared to this diary, I suspect that *you* are closer to "paleo/primal".
This is not even close to my diary. Pull the report from 1/1/14-current if you want to see it.
He pulled everyone of my cheats to mis-represent me.
Trust me I don't believe a word that guy says!!!
Why not? He's given excellent advice a number of times in numerous threads, and calls people out on their BS.
I can't speak to his advice in this thread. But, from what I've seen, he's intellectually dishonest. He misrepresents and plays with semantic and touts them as being fact. Hard to have a legit discussion with someone that is intellectually dishonest.
I'm pretty sure this woman was also called out by someone who strictly followed a paleo diet a few posts back, if that was the example you were using.0 -
All I'm saying is I chose not to restrict things from my diet.
So like Johnny I'm not on a restrictive diet. I've not looked at Johnny's diary but does he split his macros into percentages (if yes that's restricting his macro intake) restrictive diet!!!
There is a difference between restricting caloric intake and restricting what kinds of food you eat.
Having certain macro percentages doesn't eliminate ANY particular food from your diet.
And primal doesn't restrict any macro nutrient from its diet.
Just like a calorie is a calorie - a restrictive diet is a restrictive diet!!????????✋
You do realize that there is a macronutrient breakdown associated with primal and paleo eating, right? Or have you not delved into the real literature that has been published about this type of eating?
That's actually incorrect (at least for Primal). It has to do more with activity level and carbs. The more energy you need for greater exercise, the more carbs you use. Protein tends to be linked to bodyweight more than anything (depending on your goals). For most people that means it ends up being high fat, moderate protein and either low or moderate carbs. If you're looking to lose body fat, usually you lower the total carbs.
But you can have macros across the charts depending on your goals and current body comp. Protein grams stay pretty consistent, but their percentage can shift dramatically depending on the carb input and goals (to maintain, to shred, to gain, etc.). The big thing with Paleo/Primal is usually the content of the macros -- the types of fat, protein and carbs.
Sorry dude it's not quite that way - close activity has a lot to do with it. It's mainly about manipulating the bodies insulin secretion. The goal of primal is best health - maintenance of lean mass and reduction of body fat.
Have a listen to his podcasts - last weeks one should explain it for you. And it will be his works and not the Chinese whispers that go around the PBS.
I'll have to agree to disagree with you there. Those that are doing high activity seem to be eating a LOT more carbs -- good carbs, but carbs nonetheless and have a dramatically different macro input accordingly. Same for those looking to put on more muscle -- tend to have more protein (1+ gram per lb versus 0.7-0.7 per lb). Those looking to drop fat are reducing carb intake (less than 50 or 100 depending on how they affect them). Those looking to maintain, have much more generous carb allowances (100-250+), so their percentage fat and protein drop accordingly.
"good carbs"? :huh:
As for those reducing carb intake to lose fat, that is likely more a product of their overall calorie deficit than intentionally trying to eat low carb. Myself as an example, have been in a deficit for about ten days now. In order to hit my minimum protein target (~.9g/lb) and minimum fat target (~.45g/lb, I think), I have no choice but to be low carb. It isn't the low carbs that are resulting in my fat loss, it's my low calories. I can see how people could make the wrong connection though.
I think for some, the caloric deficit will be enough. But for others, they need more than the deficit -- they will need the deficit in a very specific way (usually by low carbs or at least low glycemic carbs).
But I don't think the research supports this conclusion. It defies understanding to suggest that macronutrient percentages (within a reasonable, non-extreme range) materially affect the CO side of the CICO equation. Inflammation, water retention, other things that might lead to scale weight but not necessarily fat weight? Yeah, I might still be open to those possibilities...but macros materially affecting metabolism? Nope, I don't see it.
Also, I'd still like to know what makes a good carb "good" and a bad carb "bad". (And it had better be more than just fiber unless we're evaluating each of these foods in an unrealistic vacuum.)0 -
Why is anyone attacking anyone at all? She freely admitted that she had unusual events for which she deviated from Primal eating -- mainly a birthday party, v-day and a funeral. Based on that, you're going to call someone non-Primal?
The rigidity and holier-than-thou-ness of some people is just distasteful. Like a different way of life threatens you so much that you have to attack others.
I only looked at her diary because it became such a topic of discussion, but I'm not referring to the birthday/Valentine's Day/funeral days. I don't understand how items like "Fat free raspberry cheesecake yogurt" fit the Paleo/Primal model. There are several days in a row in January where there are brownies, rice, and ice cream sandwiches. There are plenty of days in January with something like pizza, donuts.
I guess my understanding of the diet is off. I thought it was about minimally processing and very close adherence to an avoided food list. That eating pizza or brownies would be considered cheating full-stop, not a built in part of the diet. (Not making the cheater a terrible person, just not a strict Primal adherent.)0 -
Why don't you view my diary back from 1/1/2014 - current. I strive for 80/20 under my primal diet, sometimes I come close or better, other times not as much. I do beer as part of my Primal diet. But pretty much you're going to find a huge salad every day (or multiple), a meat a veggie dish for dinner, eggs, nuts, diary and tea.
You're not proving anything by calling out the %20 of my 80/20, except that Paleo can be fun because it's designed to allow for treats and cheats. Nevermind the fact that last weekend was Valentines day and my daughter's birthday which is a great reason to have your Primal cheat day!
Unlike your diary which shows something to the tune of 3,000+ calories of drive-thru a day, now that we're throwing stones.
I don't actually care what you eat, but according to this definition, myself and about 3/4 of my friends list is "paleo." If this is a paleo diet, how is that word meaningful? You eat *less* fast food than some others? That just sounds like personal taste, I honestly don't get why it needs a name.
This is.... impressive.
Also, can you please define what you mean by "PBS please"?
Peanut Butter Sandwich
Mmm peanut butter (no bread though) heavily laden with grain. Very few nutrients and sometimes difficult to digest fibre, but that's the answer to an earlier post.
For real? I win? sort of...
Congrats!
You must be very...uh...proud.
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Compared to this diary, I suspect that *you* are closer to "paleo/primal".
This is not even close to my diary. Pull the report from 1/1/14-current if you want to see it.
He pulled everyone of my cheats to mis-represent me.
Trust me I don't believe a word that guy says!!!
Why not? He's given excellent advice a number of times in numerous threads, and calls people out on their BS.
I can't speak to his advice in this thread. But, from what I've seen, he's intellectually dishonest. He misrepresents and plays with semantic and touts them as being fact. Hard to have a legit discussion with someone that is intellectually dishonest.
Yeah, asking you for data to substantiate your claims is just plain ol dishonest. We should just take you at your word that you were eating a massive deficit and not losing weight instead of asking for the data to substantiate it.0 -
Compared to this diary, I suspect that *you* are closer to "paleo/primal".
This is not even close to my diary. Pull the report from 1/1/14-current if you want to see it.
He pulled everyone of my cheats to mis-represent me.
Trust me I don't believe a word that guy says!!!
Why not? He's given excellent advice a number of times in numerous threads, and calls people out on their BS.
I can't speak to his advice in this thread. But, from what I've seen, he's intellectually dishonest. He misrepresents and plays with semantic and touts them as being fact. Hard to have a legit discussion with someone that is intellectually dishonest.
I'm pretty sure this woman was also called out by someone who strictly followed a paleo diet a few posts back, if that was the example you were using.
They've actually been going back and forth on it for sometime. I dont' think she said she was strict anything, but Primal (and anyone that's familiar with Primal knows that they aim for an 80/20). I've had several exchanges that were intellectually dishonest and after having to go back and forth on semantics, he finally dropped the subject.0
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