Why Bulletproof Coffee is BS Coffee
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So if you consume 250 calories worth of fat shortly after waking, versus consuming 250 calories of carbs, which will result in your body burning more body fat (this doesn't include the fat you just consumed) and why?
Where did you see me assert that? Reread what I actually wrote.
And, really, why would you assumed someone would put more than 2 tablespoons of anything into a mug of coffee?
I'm just asking you if there will be a difference in body fat oxidation with xx calories from dietary fat vs same calories from carbs in the AM.
You really don't understand the premise. The usefulness of bulletproof coffee is, other than the advantages of coconut oil's MCTs over other types of oil one can consume, one of timing, not of sourcing of calories. It does not involve swapping out xx calories of carbohydrates for xx calories of fats in one's daily food intake. It is quite simply rearranging your fats to contribute to fat loss and your carbs to contribute best to performance and recovery.
That doesn't make any sense. If you consume fat in the morning, you'll burn (or rather, oxidise) that fat for energy. If you consume carbs, your body will burn those. Not your body fat. Unless you're in a caloric deficit in which case it would be doing anyway, regardless of ketosis or anything else.0 -
I thought Joe Rogan was the guy from Fear Factor so bullet proof coffee took on a life of its own in my mind....
Joe Rogan was indeed the guy from Fear Factor...
He is also a very successful stand-up comedian, trained mixed-martial artist, color commentator for UFC (which he is awesome at), and activist for marijuana and other hallucinogens...
He's an eclectic dude who is not afraid to question the status quo, and admit when he's wrong. Be a cool guy to have a few beers with, for sure.
Except for that time he got into the epic forum fight with some kid, and was all "IM JOE ROGAN" as if it matters? It was linked all over, but like 10 years ago so I'm probably the only one that remembers. :sad:
I can never decide if Joe's a cool guy, a **** or both. What I do know is he's infinitely better than Mike Goldberg who just rattles off trivia during the fight. :laugh:0 -
So if you consume 250 calories worth of fat shortly after waking, versus consuming 250 calories of carbs, which will result in your body burning more body fat (this doesn't include the fat you just consumed) and why?
Where did you see me assert that? Reread what I actually wrote.
And, really, why would you assumed someone would put more than 2 tablespoons of anything into a mug of coffee?
I'm just asking you if there will be a difference in body fat oxidation with xx calories from dietary fat vs same calories from carbs in the AM.
You really don't understand the premise. The usefulness of bulletproof coffee is, other than the advantages of coconut oil's MCTs over other types of oil one can consume, one of timing, not of sourcing of calories. It does not involve swapping out xx calories of carbohydrates for xx calories of fats in one's daily food intake. It is quite simply rearranging your fats to contribute to fat loss and your carbs to contribute best to performance and recovery.
How does consuming fat increase fat loss?0 -
That doesn't make any sense. If you consume fat in the morning, you'll burn (or rather, oxidise) that fat for energy. If you consume carbs, your body will burn those. Not your body fat. Unless you're in a caloric deficit in which case it would be doing anyway, regardless of ketosis or anything else.
Your body is burning fat, body fat, when you awake in ketosis. When you consume carbs upon rising, your body switches to using carbs as fuel instead and will not switch back to using fat for fuel unless and until it has exhausted dietary carb intake. Assuming you aren't doing heavy endurance workouts in the early A.M., that will take quite a while. You'll then exercise later and either not intake the carbs when your body can most readily put them to good use, or consume the carbs and have a carb surplus that will shorten the amoutn of time your body spends in a fat burning state.
Yes, your body will stay fat burning if you consume bulletproof coffee in place of a carb for breakfast. Yes, it will need burn that dietary fat, but we're talking about 14gs of fat and 120 calories. Assuming you're not in a coma, your body will use that readily.How does consuming fat increase fat loss?
Timing.
One more time: This is not advocating that you consume more fat that you would otherwise or that you should consume less carbs. It's not in any way changing the ratio of the macros in your diet. It's merely taking advantage of the body's fueling and replenishment processes to promote fat loss and muscle recovery.0 -
That doesn't make any sense. If you consume fat in the morning, you'll burn (or rather, oxidise) that fat for energy. If you consume carbs, your body will burn those. Not your body fat. Unless you're in a caloric deficit in which case it would be doing anyway, regardless of ketosis or anything else.
Your body is burning fat, body fat, when you awake in ketosis. When you consume carbs upon rising, your body switches to using carbs as fuel instead and will not switch back to using fat for fuel unless and until it has exhausted dietary carb intake. Assuming you aren't doing heavy endurance workouts in the early A.M., that will take quite a while. You'll then exercise later and either not intake the carbs when your body can most readily put them to good use, or consume the carbs and have a carb surplus that will shorten the amoutn of time your body spends in a fat burning state.
Yes, your body will stay fat burning if you consume bulletproof coffee in place of a carb for breakfast. Yes, it will need burn that dietary fat, but we're talking about 14gs of fat and 120 calories. Assuming you're not in a coma, your body will use that readily.How does consuming fat increase fat loss?
Timing.
One more time: This is not advocating that you consume more fat that you would otherwise or that you should consume less carbs. It's not in any way changing the ratio of the macros in your diet. It's merely taking advantage of the body's fueling and replenishment processes to promote fat loss and muscle recovery.
Low carb wishful thinking0 -
Nope.
Not that I do low carb either.0 -
I don't buy nor bash stuff based on Youtube videos. If you go by You tube videos, you will have to wear a mask and drink 10 times boiled water. LMAO.0
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Nope.
Not that I do low carb either.
So your claims are substantiated by what?0 -
I looked at how to make bulletproof coffee and all i saw was, "spend money. Spend more money. Spend more money."
For ****s and giggles i may try it when my coffee plants start producing and i get the dairy cow im looking at.0 -
Since fat oxidization is in flux at all times, for a person in a calorie deficit there would be no NET difference.That doesn't make any sense. If you consume fat in the morning, you'll burn (or rather, oxidise) that fat for energy. If you consume carbs, your body will burn those. Not your body fat. Unless you're in a caloric deficit in which case it would be doing anyway, regardless of ketosis or anything else.
Your body is burning fat, body fat, when you awake in ketosis. When you consume carbs upon rising, your body switches to using carbs as fuel instead and will not switch back to using fat for fuel unless and until it has exhausted dietary carb intake. Assuming you aren't doing heavy endurance workouts in the early A.M., that will take quite a while. You'll then exercise later and either not intake the carbs when your body can most readily put them to good use, or consume the carbs and have a carb surplus that will shorten the amoutn of time your body spends in a fat burning state.
Yes, your body will stay fat burning if you consume bulletproof coffee in place of a carb for breakfast. Yes, it will need burn that dietary fat, but we're talking about 14gs of fat and 120 calories. Assuming you're not in a coma, your body will use that readily.How does consuming fat increase fat loss?
Timing.
One more time: This is not advocating that you consume more fat that you would otherwise or that you should consume less carbs. It's not in any way changing the ratio of the macros in your diet. It's merely taking advantage of the body's fueling and replenishment processes to promote fat loss and muscle recovery.
No MORE fat would be oxidized...0 -
wait, i thought "bulletproof coffee" was used to describe adding butter to coffee... is this something else?
If you add enough liquor you can feel 10 ft tall and bulletproof.0 -
*you're
I hate when I find the perfect gif, and they misspell something.
I had a friend here who used to talk about drinking this all the time. Too bad he's not here anymore to see this.
It's Ricky; I think the grammar mistake is appropriate here.0 -
I don't have a stance on this either way but wanted to point out that it isn't micro-toxins, it's mycotoxins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycotoxin0 -
I don't have a stance on this either way but wanted to point out that it isn't micro-toxins, it's mycotoxins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycotoxin
Oops. Thanks.0 -
The Nepalese put rancid yak butter in their tea.
Yes, it tastes as gross as it sounds....
Ummm... I just threw up in my mouth a little....:sick:0 -
The Nepalese put rancid yak butter in their tea.
Yes, it tastes as gross as it sounds....
Check out The Inuit ~ People of the Arctic: FOOD SOURCES
http://www.johntyman.com/arctic/inuit104.html
Rotten/Rancid meat is actually a favorite Inuit delicacy, and they beleive it has health promoting properties.
Aajonus Vonderplanitz claims that it cured his terminal cancer.0 -
I don't have a stance on this either way but wanted to point out that it isn't micro-toxins, it's mycotoxins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycotoxin
Thanks! I was wondering what they meant.0 -
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The Nepalese put rancid yak butter in their tea.
Yes, it tastes as gross as it sounds....
Ummm... I just threw up in my mouth a little....:sick:
Shows you how much cultural conditioning has on long term taste expereinces. Afghans drink goats milk, which most American dislike as much as rancid yak butter, and think that pasteurized cow's milk is worse than rancid yak butter. even drinking cow's milk that is not commercially processed doesn't go over well with most Americans. What you like is largely about what you were taught to like.0 -
The Nepalese put rancid yak butter in their tea.
Yes, it tastes as gross as it sounds....
Ummm... I just threw up in my mouth a little....:sick:
Shows you how much cultural conditioning has on long term taste expereinces. Afghans drink goats milk, which most American dislike as much as rancid yak butter, and think that pasteurized cow's milk is worse than rancid yak butter. even drinking cow's milk that is not commercially processed doesn't go over well with most Americans. What you like is largely about what you were taught to like.
Well, I'm not an American, but I agree cultural conditioning is massive in all sorts of areas of human experience, food taste included.
And although I have a pretty broad palette, even I found rancid yak butter tea "challenging". It's one of only two things in my travels that I've come across that I couldn't stomach.0 -
Since fat oxidization is in flux at all times, for a person in a calorie deficit there would be no NET difference.
No MORE fat would be oxidized...
Pretty sure that's not what you mean.wait, i thought "bulletproof coffee" was used to describe adding butter to coffee... is this something else?
If you add enough liquor you can feel 10 ft tall and bulletproof.
:laugh: Asked the first time whether I knew what Bulletproof coffe was, my answer was "Black coffee with good whiskey"
Always a crowd pleaser.0 -
if is MAKES ME bulletproof - I AM IN!!0
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Is this the coffee with grassfed butter and coconut oil added to it?
I'm at work and get watch the video.
I don't get the point of adding butter or coconut oil to your coffee...
Unless you really suck at hitting your fat macro...
Hmm,.. *strokes chin* maybe I should do that to hit my fat macro...
If you aren't going to workout in the morning, you can actually have it in place of a traditional breakfast and it will keep you both satiated, and in the state of ketosis you were in when you woke up (presuming you aren't diabetic, of course). Theoretically, since you're body will keep burning fat for fuel, you can drop some body fat.
You don't want to do it on days you will be doing a hard workout in the morning because then you'll need soem protein and carbs.
I was kidding. I'm not putting butter and coconit oil in my coffee.
I'd be willing to try coconut oil. But I probably wont because I'm lazy.
Plus I train fasted. I go to the gym at 5am.
My coffee occurs at about 730am.0 -
Well, I'm not an American, but I agree cultural conditioning is massive in all sorts of areas of human experience, food taste included.
And although I have a pretty broad palette, even I found rancid yak butter tea "challenging". It's one of only two things in my travels that I've come across that I couldn't stomach.
Did you have pretty broad palatte exposure from a younger age?0 -
I typically see it used as an energy drink that doesn't contain a lot of carbs, rather than some sort of magical fat burning potion. The idea is consuming caffeine combined with fat (particularly when we're talking about MCT oil) to wake you up and to provide a burst of energy. I don't know anyone that has actually purchased the coffee labelled "bulletproof coffee" but I know plenty of people who just use the name to refer to any coffee drink that contains fats (usually pure MCT or something like coconut oil which is predominantly MCTs).0
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The Nepalese put rancid yak butter in their tea.
Yes, it tastes as gross as it sounds....
Ummm... I just threw up in my mouth a little....:sick:
Shows you how much cultural conditioning has on long term taste expereinces. Afghans drink goats milk, which most American dislike as much as rancid yak butter, and think that pasteurized cow's milk is worse than rancid yak butter. even drinking cow's milk that is not commercially processed doesn't go over well with most Americans. What you like is largely about what you were taught to like.
(I'm not american either lol). Def all about what we are conditioned to like from a young age( unless you are my kids and hate everything:laugh:) . I personally like my tea with nothing in it (not even milk or cream) so something fatty like butter not appealing, but rancid butter.... Ugh... I don't think I could do it!! I'm willing to try a lot of things but I don't think something like that would ever be one of them!!0 -
Why, per se? Assuming you're not diabetic, your body is in a ketogenic state when you wake. If you avoid immediate intake of simple and complex carbs, the body will continue to use fat as fuel.
There is a difference between "use fat as a fuel" and "use stored body fat as a fuel".
If you are ingesting fat, the increased metabolic load upon waking up isn't met by burning more stored fat (which is what we want and what your earlier post implied), it is met by metabolizing ingested fat, which has no more effect on stored fat than if you ingested carbs.
Butter in coffee is delicious. It's also a great way to blow up your caloric deficit.0 -
Your body is burning fat, body fat, when you awake in ketosis.
This is where you're going off the rails. When you awake, your body is burning stored fat if it has been in a caloric deficit.
Ketosis or not makes no difference. If you're in ketosis and waking up with a belly full of fat-rich food that the body hasn't had a chance to digest yet, it will get its energy for burning the ingested food, not from stored fats.0 -
That was not what I was implying, though in the overly simplistic culture of MFP that's likely what many would infer. The body is burning stored fat. If you consume fats upon breaking your fast, your body will continue to burn fat as fuel - note - that is not an identical statement to "your body will continue to burn body fat as fuel." It will burn your dietary fat before it will burn any stored fat - but we're talking a minimal amount of about 14g of fat and around 120 calories.
Where that fat is MTC coconut oil, there are studies suggesting that EE will be slightly increased. The most commonly cited one dates from way back in 1996 and found that 15-30 grams of MCTs per day increased 24 hour EEby 5% or about 120 calories per day. There are more recent studies but probably the best two indicators came from the large scale use of coconut oil in feed in both a large scale cattle operation and in racing greyhounds. In both scenarios, without other changes to feed, the animals lost body fat as a percentage of body composition, even though in both cases the oil did not represent a caloric increase. In both cases they were looking to feed the oil for fat to maintain body fat, not hoping to decrease it, so they were understandably not happy.
And, one more time, because nothing ever is absorbed the first seven times it's stated exactly the same, we were not discussion the consequences of increasing any fat intake or decreasing any carb intake - merely adjusted when they were ingested to improve performance and recovery.0 -
I don't see the difference between the body burning dietary fat and dietary carbs in the morning. Can you explain it?
If you're in a calorie deficit, your body will continue to use body fat to make up the deficit whether you give it calories from fat or carbs in the morning.
Why would the body burn more body fat if it's in a deficit when given dietary fat instead of carbs?0
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