500 Calories a day??
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DR. Yes, I'm going to write down 500 calories on this piece of paper because I know you don't believe me and I want you to have some proof when you sue me for malpractice.
Why?
No misunderstanding, she even wrote it down on a piece of paper for me.I have this suspicious that you misunderstood the doctor. You sure he didn't suggest a 500 calorie deficit?
Why not? My doctor often writes instructions down for me when I go to her with a problem. I guess because some people forget stuff...?0 -
A US size 8 is not big at all! That is right in the middle of our sizes, if I am not mistaken.
I'm a US size 8, and as you see in my pic, I'm far from huge.0 -
I edited my previous post and made that comment. lol
Doesn't make sense. In reality what would happen to the patient if they followed that advice to the letter?
The first glaring one is a Dr. giving such advice. Regardless of how much actual nutritional schooling a Dr. might or might not have there's just no way they would have not either saw the journals, talked to peers or talked in general regarding the HCG diet and the dangers that arose from that diet let alone advise someone to eat that low without medical supervision or nutritional supplementation could be seen as malpractice, not to mention the Hippocratic Oath.I really don't believe the story at all, way too many red flags, sorry just my opinion.
Really, what red flags??? I've told the story exactly as it happenned, can't see why I would post something about 500 calories a day without a reason.
My theory, if OP is telling the truth, is the doctor is trying to brush her off. I mean, 10 kg is only like 20 lbs. Lap band? Seriously? Sounds like the doctor may not mesh well with OP personality and is trying to say something so insanely off the wall so she will go elsewhere.
She would eventually get hungry and eat. Maybe? I don't know. The whole story sounds crazy.
This could be factual, I just have my doubts, and it is the internet and there's lots of pro ana happening all the time.0 -
Maybe it was 500 calories per MEAL or 500 calorie DEFICIT per day?0
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Well I went to her for a second opinion, particularly as my thyroid is "sluggish". I gave her my long history of trying to lose weight, blood tests other doctors had taken, hormone tests my naturopath had done, a diet plan a dietician had done for me.
I was in shock when she said it, and I got out and "lost it", more so as I'm getting married in 3 weeks and I felt as though she was saying I was so ridiculously fat that I should need something so drastic to lose weight.
Now I'm currently a US Size 10/ Aus Size 12 (Although my wedding dress is a US Size 8, so I'm pretty happy with that lol). I don't think I qualify as morbidly obese, but she certainly made me feel that way.
She followed this advice by saying if 500 calories a day doesn't work for me I should consider lap band surgery or the like. Again, made me feel as though I was as big as some of those people I see in documentary's that need to break down walls of their house to get them out of there!!!
Lap band surgery?!?! You wouldn't even qualify as a candidate… what kind of doctor is she?0 -
Well I went to her for a second opinion, particularly as my thyroid is "sluggish". I gave her my long history of trying to lose weight, blood tests other doctors had taken, hormone tests my naturopath had done, a diet plan a dietician had done for me.
I was in shock when she said it, and I got out and "lost it", more so as I'm getting married in 3 weeks and I felt as though she was saying I was so ridiculously fat that I should need something so drastic to lose weight.
Now I'm currently a US Size 10/ Aus Size 12 (Although my wedding dress is a US Size 8, so I'm pretty happy with that lol). I don't think I qualify as morbidly obese, but she certainly made me feel that way.
She followed this advice by saying if 500 calories a day doesn't work for me I should consider lap band surgery or the like. Again, made me feel as though I was as big as some of those people I see in documentary's that need to break down walls of their house to get them out of there!!!
Lap band surgery?!?! You wouldn't even qualify as a candidate… what kind of doctor is she?
An imaginary one? A MFP member doctor who frequents these forums so much that forum sarcasm has spilled over into real life patient consultations?0 -
I tried this... and yes, I ended up in the hospital the morning of the 3rd day. My body went into starvation mode and I passed out several times.0
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DR. Yes, I'm going to write down 500 calories on this piece of paper because I know you don't believe me and I want you to have some proof when you sue me for malpractice.
Why?
No misunderstanding, she even wrote it down on a piece of paper for me.I have this suspicious that you misunderstood the doctor. You sure he didn't suggest a 500 calorie deficit?
Why not? My doctor often writes instructions down for me when I go to her with a problem. I guess because some people forget stuff...?
She wrote it down on the piece of paper I had handed her at the start of the consultation listing the issues I have been having.
I find it weird to have to justify what has happened ... apparently I must have nothing better to do then make up crazy stories about dr's ?!?!?0 -
Well I went to her for a second opinion, particularly as my thyroid is "sluggish". I gave her my long history of trying to lose weight, blood tests other doctors had taken, hormone tests my naturopath had done, a diet plan a dietician had done for me.
I was in shock when she said it, and I got out and "lost it", more so as I'm getting married in 3 weeks and I felt as though she was saying I was so ridiculously fat that I should need something so drastic to lose weight.
Now I'm currently a US Size 10/ Aus Size 12 (Although my wedding dress is a US Size 8, so I'm pretty happy with that lol). I don't think I qualify as morbidly obese, but she certainly made me feel that way.
She followed this advice by saying if 500 calories a day doesn't work for me I should consider lap band surgery or the like. Again, made me feel as though I was as big as some of those people I see in documentary's that need to break down walls of their house to get them out of there!!!
Lap band surgery?!?! You wouldn't even qualify as a candidate… what kind of doctor is she?
An imaginary one? A MFP member doctor who frequents these forums so much that forum sarcasm has spilled over into real life patient consultations?
Only person I'm sensing sarcasm from is you………….
OP hasn't been sarcastic once in this entire thread.0 -
I edited my previous post and made that comment. lol
Doesn't make sense. In reality what would happen to the patient if they followed that advice to the letter?
The first glaring one is a Dr. giving such advice. Regardless of how much actual nutritional schooling a Dr. might or might not have there's just no way they would have not either saw the journals, talked to peers or talked in general regarding the HCG diet and the dangers that arose from that diet let alone advise someone to eat that low without medical supervision or nutritional supplementation could be seen as malpractice, not to mention the Hippocratic Oath.I really don't believe the story at all, way too many red flags, sorry just my opinion.
Really, what red flags??? I've told the story exactly as it happenned, can't see why I would post something about 500 calories a day without a reason.
My theory, if OP is telling the truth, is the doctor is trying to brush her off. I mean, 10 kg is only like 20 lbs. Lap band? Seriously? Sounds like the doctor may not mesh well with OP personality and is trying to say something so insanely off the wall so she will go elsewhere.
She would eventually get hungry and eat. Maybe? I don't know. The whole story sounds crazy.
This could be factual, I just have my doubts, and it is the internet and there's lots of pro ana happening all the time.
HA, I'm far from pro ana, and certainly wouldn't put a topic up to promote anything like 500 calories per day. I made it clear that I had no intention of following this advice, because it sounded crazy to me. If my post read something along the lines of "I'm going to follow the advice, what are people's tips for eating" etc, then maybe it could be regarded as trolling.
It would only get to the point of being negligent IF I chose to follow this and ended up with a permenant side effect, that's how medical negligence laws work here in Aus.
Each to their own, but really, your skepticism is apparently making you read WAY too much into an innocent post.0 -
DR. Yes, I'm going to write down 500 calories on this piece of paper because I know you don't believe me and I want you to have some proof when you sue me for malpractice.
Why?
No misunderstanding, she even wrote it down on a piece of paper for me.I have this suspicious that you misunderstood the doctor. You sure he didn't suggest a 500 calorie deficit?
Why not? My doctor often writes instructions down for me when I go to her with a problem. I guess because some people forget stuff...?
She wrote it down on the piece of paper I had handed her at the start of the consultation listing the issues I have been having.
I find it weird to have to justify what has happened ... apparently I must have nothing better to do then make up crazy stories about dr's ?!?!?
Maybe she's giving you a temporary VLCD plan of 500 cal so you can fit in your wedding dress in 3 weeks, no? And the lap band comment may have been a joke, yes?
You only have 20 lbs to lose. That's not a lot. And, people do go on fasts and survive. Clearly 500 calories per day is not a lifestyle, long term plan.0 -
Your doctor is obviously confusing you with another patient. The only person I know who was ever put on such a low calorie diet was my grandmother, and she had open heart surgery and was suffering from congestive heart failure. Get a new doctor. From the sound of it, if you increase your daily caloric expenditure, even without a change in diet, you will manage to lose the 10kg you want. Also, consider going to another doctor. One who does not "project" the problems of other patients on you.0
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Well I went to her for a second opinion, particularly as my thyroid is "sluggish". I gave her my long history of trying to lose weight, blood tests other doctors had taken, hormone tests my naturopath had done, a diet plan a dietician had done for me.
I was in shock when she said it, and I got out and "lost it", more so as I'm getting married in 3 weeks and I felt as though she was saying I was so ridiculously fat that I should need something so drastic to lose weight.
Now I'm currently a US Size 10/ Aus Size 12 (Although my wedding dress is a US Size 8, so I'm pretty happy with that lol). I don't think I qualify as morbidly obese, but she certainly made me feel that way.
She followed this advice by saying if 500 calories a day doesn't work for me I should consider lap band surgery or the like. Again, made me feel as though I was as big as some of those people I see in documentary's that need to break down walls of their house to get them out of there!!!
Lap band surgery?!?! You wouldn't even qualify as a candidate… what kind of doctor is she?
An imaginary one? A MFP member doctor who frequents these forums so much that forum sarcasm has spilled over into real life patient consultations?
Only person I'm sensing sarcasm from is you………….
OP hasn't been sarcastic once in this entire thread.
I was referring to OP doctor. You have to admit it sounds like crazy advice.....0 -
Do you have a medical association in your country where you can report this doctor? Just the fact that she told you to eat 50 calories and suggest band surgery as an option for you to lose 22 pounds is ludicrous.
Size 8 is a fine size. Make sure you lose your 22 pounds slowly, as that's not much to lose.0 -
I just looked up how much overweight someone has to be for lap band surgery. Lap band surgery is only for people with BMIs of 40 or higher, or 30 or higher, if there is a "comorbid" condition present, such as diabetes, heart disease, etc., and the patient has been unsuccessful losing weight. 20 lbs. overweight wouldn't even qualify as a BMI of over 30 unless she's very petite (around 5'1" or 5'2"). For instance, I'm 5'1.5", and I'd have to weigh at least 160 to qualify for lap band surgery. Also, a 500 calorie diet is not recommended without a was doctor and nutirtionist direct supervision, typically only for extremely obese patients whose health is at risk. However, there are doctors in Mexico who will do lap bands on people who are only modestly overweight.... Maybe this is where her doctor will send her?0
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I could go on with more red flags with the general tone/word phrasing that could be interpreted in a way that describes someones insecurities and body image (BDD) and I see more.......but maybe it's late and I should go to bed, sorry I really don't mean to upset you, just mentioning the possibility. Seriously, report the Dr. immediately before someone and not necessarily you end up in the ER.
DR. Yes, I'm going to write down 500 calories on this piece of paper because I know you don't believe me and I want you to have some proof when you sue me for malpractice.
Why?
No misunderstanding, she even wrote it down on a piece of paper for me.I have this suspicious that you misunderstood the doctor. You sure he didn't suggest a 500 calorie deficit?
Why not? My doctor often writes instructions down for me when I go to her with a problem. I guess because some people forget stuff...?
She wrote it down on the piece of paper I had handed her at the start of the consultation listing the issues I have been having.
I find it weird to have to justify what has happened ... apparently I must have nothing better to do then make up crazy stories about dr's ?!?!?0 -
This is why I worry about VLCDers, even if they say they are under the care of a doctor. 'cause that is just crazy town.0
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Maybe 500 calories per meal, not for the whole day. :-)
I was thinking the same thing-- each meal?! Lol0 -
I do the 5:2 or sometimes 4:3 diet, which means 2 or 3 days a week you only eat 500 calories and the other 4 or 5 you eat whatever you want, within reason. But it's not every day. On the 500 calorie days you can get pretty creative and eat more than you think, mostly veggies. You do lose weight really quickly and easily on it, and I don't feel like I'm starving in any way because the day you are at 500 calories, you know the next day you can have whatever. :drinker:0
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I would run away from that doctor real fast and never return!0
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If you have a sluggish thyroid, have you considered getting treatment from an endocrinologist who specializes in treating thyroid conditions?0
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Possibly and I hope that you just got a really stupid Dr. Just to let you know most ED sites don't allow any discussion regarding actual numbers, none. And it could be that reason a person with ED reads this and interprets it as "It's ok to eat 500 calories because a Dr. says so" That was the pro ana red flag for me, again if you got a Dr that shouldn't be practicing you should probably encourage that by never going back.
I edited my previous post and made that comment. lol
Doesn't make sense. In reality what would happen to the patient if they followed that advice to the letter?
The first glaring one is a Dr. giving such advice. Regardless of how much actual nutritional schooling a Dr. might or might not have there's just no way they would have not either saw the journals, talked to peers or talked in general regarding the HCG diet and the dangers that arose from that diet let alone advise someone to eat that low without medical supervision or nutritional supplementation could be seen as malpractice, not to mention the Hippocratic Oath.I really don't believe the story at all, way too many red flags, sorry just my opinion.
Really, what red flags??? I've told the story exactly as it happenned, can't see why I would post something about 500 calories a day without a reason.
My theory, if OP is telling the truth, is the doctor is trying to brush her off. I mean, 10 kg is only like 20 lbs. Lap band? Seriously? Sounds like the doctor may not mesh well with OP personality and is trying to say something so insanely off the wall so she will go elsewhere.
She would eventually get hungry and eat. Maybe? I don't know. The whole story sounds crazy.
This could be factual, I just have my doubts, and it is the internet and there's lots of pro ana happening all the time.
HA, I'm far from pro ana, and certainly wouldn't put a topic up to promote anything like 500 calories per day. I made it clear that I had no intention of following this advice, because it sounded crazy to me. If my post read something along the lines of "I'm going to follow the advice, what are people's tips for eating" etc, then maybe it could be regarded as trolling.
It would only get to the point of being negligent IF I chose to follow this and ended up with a permenant side effect, that's how medical negligence laws work here in Aus.
Each to their own, but really, your skepticism is apparently making you read WAY too much into an innocent post.0 -
You've got to be kidding. Are you sure you went to a doctor? Some people are very good at setting themselves up with signs with letters after their names, which say, "Medical Clinic" or "Doctor-Supervised Weight Loss", or the like (I'm a retired lawyer and have seen that happen both with fake doctors and fake lawyers). 500 calories a day would be possible in extreme health cases - not treating obesity though - and would require hospitalization, medical supervision, an IV to provide the missing nutrients, etc. What this man is doing is very very dangerous. In Canada, you would report this individual to the College of Physicians and Surgeons. If you're in the States, I don't know what you'd do. But one thing for sure...don't go back to him (obviously!)0
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did your doc offer the HCG plan with that 500Kcal a day?:huh:0
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Base it on 5:2 diet, it could be true. Health wise, both physical and mental, not ideal.0
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If you have a sluggish thyroid, have you considered getting treatment from an endocrinologist who specializes in treating thyroid conditions?
this^^^^ and meantime get a different Doctor, this ones been reading too much about Hollywood diets stars do to lose weight quickly (neglecting them doing it under the supervision of an entire team and it being nothing to do with health)0 -
I think you should find a new doctor!! Haha0
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My mother has an underactive thyroid. It's upsetting for her, like her body is turning against her. Unfortunately she can't diet with the results most people would acheive so she took up the 500cal (a day) diet. She did it through a pharmacist who monitored her health througout.
http://lipotrim.co.uk/pharmacy_programme/
I think it's only for actual overweight people and it's certainly not a long-term thing. But it was 500cal a day and suggested by her doctor.0 -
I have Hashimoto's (autoimmune thyroid disease). I lost more slowly than most MFPers, but I lost. What worked for me was setting my goal to .5 lb. per week and being very, very patient.
MFP has a Hypothyroidism and Hyperthyroidism group: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/770-hypothyroidism-and-hyperthyroidism
This post is full of good advice: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants0 -
Well I went to her for a second opinion, particularly as my thyroid is "sluggish". I gave her my long history of trying to lose weight, blood tests other doctors had taken, hormone tests my naturopath had done, a diet plan a dietician had done for me.
I was in shock when she said it, and I got out and "lost it", more so as I'm getting married in 3 weeks and I felt as though she was saying I was so ridiculously fat that I should need something so drastic to lose weight.
Now I'm currently a US Size 10/ Aus Size 12 (Although my wedding dress is a US Size 8, so I'm pretty happy with that lol). I don't think I qualify as morbidly obese, but she certainly made me feel that way.
She followed this advice by saying if 500 calories a day doesn't work for me I should consider lap band surgery or the like. Again, made me feel as though I was as big as some of those people I see in documentary's that need to break down walls of their house to get them out of there!!!
I can't believe this doctor said that! I honestly don't think a size 10 would even qualify you for a lap band? You're not morbidly obese. So if this was a second opinion, this isn't your regular doc, right? I wouldn't go back.0
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