Ok to count other drinks towards water goal?

Achrya

I get water is a part of these things ...it just seems silly to me to count it as pure water :S

Because...? If I measure out two cups of water it's still two cups of water no matter what I mix in. It's just flavored.

I mean, if I eat protein powder and chase it with water that's fine to count but if I mix them in a cup it doesn't count? Why?

So you are pretty much saying everything that has water in it counts? So since soda is carbonated water with high fructose corn syrup in it,, it still counts as water? Juice with water in it is water. So theoretically you never really have to drink plain water cause everything that is liquid is water?...... ok thanks for the info :huh:

Yes. I sometimes don't drink actual water for days but my urine remains the same pale yellow/near clear color it is when I drink five bottles of water, which means I am no less hydrated while not drinking actual 'water'. You also get hydration from food, btw, but that's understandably harder to quantify than the water in a cup of coffee.

Always happy to spread some information around. *sips ginger ale*

So you pretty much just told everyone they never have to drink pure water again.... Soda all the time. Good luck with that.

Soda all the time? That's what I said? That's what people are going to take from what I said? And even if that is what people take from my comments...it doesn't make me wrong so...what's your point, exactly?

PikaKnight

I get water is a part of these things ...it just seems silly to me to count it as pure water :S

Because...? If I measure out two cups of water it's still two cups of water no matter what I mix in. It's just flavored.

I mean, if I eat protein powder and chase it with water that's fine to count but if I mix them in a cup it doesn't count? Why?

So you are pretty much saying everything that has water in it counts? So since soda is carbonated water with high fructose corn syrup in it,, it still counts as water? Juice with water in it is water. So theoretically you never really have to drink plain water cause everything that is liquid is water?...... ok thanks for the info :huh:

Yes. I sometimes don't drink actual water for days but my urine remains the same pale yellow/near clear color it is when I drink five bottles of water, which means I am no less hydrated while not drinking actual 'water'. You also get hydration from food, btw, but that's understandably harder to quantify than the water in a cup of coffee.

Always happy to spread some information around. *sips ginger ale*

So you pretty much just told everyone they never have to drink pure water again.... Soda all the time. Good luck with that.

I don't see anywhere where she told anyone to do that. She informed that liquid is liquid. She never said to drink soda all the time.

But please. Continue to prove your point by twisting things about. It's getting interesting.

susie3g

Personally, I don't log coffee, soda, milk, or juice as water. However, I do log my 16 oz. bottles of water that also contain sugar-free flavored drink mixes. My coffee, soda, milk, and juice all contain a good bit of calories. My sugar free lemonade water contains 10 calories. I log it as water, and I log the 10 calorie drink mix, also.

ETA: I also log my iced tea as water since I sweeten it with Splenda and not sugar.

Otterluv

I get water is a part of these things ...it just seems silly to me to count it as pure water :S

Because...? If I measure out two cups of water it's still two cups of water no matter what I mix in. It's just flavored.

I mean, if I eat protein powder and chase it with water that's fine to count but if I mix them in a cup it doesn't count? Why?

So you are pretty much saying everything that has water in it counts? So since soda is carbonated water with high fructose corn syrup in it,, it still counts as water? Juice with water in it is water. So theoretically you never really have to drink plain water cause everything that is liquid is water?...... ok thanks for the info :huh:

Yes. I sometimes don't drink actual water for days but my urine remains the same pale yellow/near clear color it is when I drink five bottles of water, which means I am no less hydrated while not drinking actual 'water'. You also get hydration from food, btw, but that's understandably harder to quantify than the water in a cup of coffee.

Always happy to spread some information around. *sips ginger ale*

So you pretty much just told everyone they never have to drink pure water again.... Soda all the time. Good luck with that.

I'm sorry, I'm not getting what your issue is? If you are counting calories, it would be tough to hit your calorie and macro goals while drinking lots and lots of regular soda. But, if you are drinking diet soda than really there is no problem. Have at it.

Hell, if you can hit your calorie and macro goals only drinking regular soda and nothing else, be my guest.

Achrya

I get water is a part of these things ...it just seems silly to me to count it as pure water :S

Because...? If I measure out two cups of water it's still two cups of water no matter what I mix in. It's just flavored.

I mean, if I eat protein powder and chase it with water that's fine to count but if I mix them in a cup it doesn't count? Why?

So you are pretty much saying everything that has water in it counts? So since soda is carbonated water with high fructose corn syrup in it,, it still counts as water? Juice with water in it is water. So theoretically you never really have to drink plain water cause everything that is liquid is water?...... ok thanks for the info :huh:

Yes. I sometimes don't drink actual water for days but my urine remains the same pale yellow/near clear color it is when I drink five bottles of water, which means I am no less hydrated while not drinking actual 'water'. You also get hydration from food, btw, but that's understandably harder to quantify than the water in a cup of coffee.

Always happy to spread some information around. *sips ginger ale*

Yep. Well, except that I actually like water, so I drink it. Well, and it doesn't have the calories in it that soda does (I'd rather save those for chocolate, priorities people).

I drink diet soda, because calories are for ice cream.

I did have 3 frozen strawberry lemonades today. 570 calories went poof; there was no ice cream this day lol.



AND I logged each one as a glass of water. They were 20 ounces each (but some of that is sugar and flavoring and fruit), so I think I can assume 8 ounces of actual water in each.

Achrya

I only count pure water as water. I definitely would not count coffee, tea, or other caffeinated beverages since they do the opposite of water, and dehydrate you.

very much agreed

Awkward, considering that's not true at all.

Otterluv

I get water is a part of these things ...it just seems silly to me to count it as pure water :S

Because...? If I measure out two cups of water it's still two cups of water no matter what I mix in. It's just flavored.

I mean, if I eat protein powder and chase it with water that's fine to count but if I mix them in a cup it doesn't count? Why?

So you are pretty much saying everything that has water in it counts? So since soda is carbonated water with high fructose corn syrup in it,, it still counts as water? Juice with water in it is water. So theoretically you never really have to drink plain water cause everything that is liquid is water?...... ok thanks for the info :huh:

Yes. I sometimes don't drink actual water for days but my urine remains the same pale yellow/near clear color it is when I drink five bottles of water, which means I am no less hydrated while not drinking actual 'water'. You also get hydration from food, btw, but that's understandably harder to quantify than the water in a cup of coffee.

Always happy to spread some information around. *sips ginger ale*

Yep. Well, except that I actually like water, so I drink it. Well, and it doesn't have the calories in it that soda does (I'd rather save those for chocolate, priorities people).

I drink diet soda, because calories are for ice cream.

I did have 3 frozen strawberry lemonades today. 570 calories went poof; there was no ice cream this day lol.

I wish that I could stand the taste of diet soda. But, my stupid bitter taster issue messes it all up. Well, except for Splenda, which is okay but it upsets my stomach big time.

SABOTAGE!!!

auntiebabs

I only count pure water as water. I definitely would not count coffee, tea, or other caffeinated beverages since they do the opposite of water, and dehydrate you.

very much agreed

Nope, I used to think this, but it's not true....
COFFEE DOES NOT DEHYDRATE YOU... It just hydrates your marginally less effectively... read a study on this it said it's okay to count coffee as water .

Will go find the link and hit edit to paste it here


Here you go.

MAYO CLINIC SAYS: (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661)
Recent research shows that this is not true and that caffeine has a diuretic effect only if you consume large amounts of it — more than 500 to 600 milligrams (the equivalent of 5 to 7 cups of coffee) a day.

HUFFINGTON POST SITES PENNSYLVANIA UNIVERSITY & LA TROBE UNIVERSITY STUDIES
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/07/hydration-tea-coffee-lettuce-hydration-better-water_n_1577105.html

michellewelch2010

PikaKnight

Wait. Hold on. This thread is missing something. Oh yes.

Tuna Brownies.

Okay. Carry on.

meca85

When I say "defeat the purpose" I am referring to you the extra sugars and calories you are drinking.

For example- I will happily take SmartWater which is distilled water with electrolytes over Gatorade which also has electrolytes but also tons.of sugar and dyes.

I never said that the water disappears if you add something to it, no matter what it will always be in that liquid form. What I am saying is that IF you are watching what you're eating and counting calories (i don't know if OP is)- for some it's easy and for some it is harder. You're always better off going for a simpler version of water.
For example at Applebee's today I could have had a frozen lemonade for ~300calories, the regular lemonade for ~150 calories, or plain water for 0calories, I opted for just plain water and I was totally fine with it.

Again my perspective. If you have something working for you to meet your goals, great!
This approach has worked for me in the past and so I will continue with it as I start cleaning up my eating habits.

magerum

So if I mix something in my water it changes properties, got it. Solid, gas, plasma? Or are we talking wizardry? Maybe alchemy?

Achrya

I get water is a part of these things ...it just seems silly to me to count it as pure water :S

Because...? If I measure out two cups of water it's still two cups of water no matter what I mix in. It's just flavored.

I mean, if I eat protein powder and chase it with water that's fine to count but if I mix them in a cup it doesn't count? Why?

So you are pretty much saying everything that has water in it counts? So since soda is carbonated water with high fructose corn syrup in it,, it still counts as water? Juice with water in it is water. So theoretically you never really have to drink plain water cause everything that is liquid is water?...... ok thanks for the info :huh:

Yes. I sometimes don't drink actual water for days but my urine remains the same pale yellow/near clear color it is when I drink five bottles of water, which means I am no less hydrated while not drinking actual 'water'. You also get hydration from food, btw, but that's understandably harder to quantify than the water in a cup of coffee.

Always happy to spread some information around. *sips ginger ale*

Yep. Well, except that I actually like water, so I drink it. Well, and it doesn't have the calories in it that soda does (I'd rather save those for chocolate, priorities people).

I drink diet soda, because calories are for ice cream.

I did have 3 frozen strawberry lemonades today. 570 calories went poof; there was no ice cream this day lol.

I wish that I could stand the taste of diet soda. But, my stupid bitter taster issue messes it all up. Well, except for Splenda, which is okay but it upsets my stomach big time.

SABOTAGE!!!

I don't know what I would do if I couldn't do diet soda...well I guess I'd work in a can of the real stuff a day or something.

Nothing fixes my late night sweet tooth like a frosty diet ginger ale. Love it.

Otterluv

So if I mix something in my water it changes properties, got it. Solid, gas, plasma? Or are we talking wizardry? Maybe alchemy?

Only with an equivalent exchange, let's not get crazy.

PikaKnight

So if I mix something in my water it changes properties, got it. Solid, gas, plasma? Or are we talking wizardry? Maybe alchemy?

Only with an equivalent exchange, let's not get crazy.

^Yeah. And who knows what that equivalent property will end up being. Could be an arm. Could be a whole body.

(I know Otter and Chelle will probably know what I'm referring to. >.>)

Achrya

When I say "defeat the purpose" I am referring to you the extra sugars and calories you are drinking.

For example- I will happily take SmartWater which is distilled water with electrolytes over Gatorade which also has electrolytes but also tons.of sugar and dyes.

I never said that the water disappears if you add something to it, no matter what it will always be in that liquid form. What I am saying is that IF you are watching what you're eating and counting calories (i don't know if OP is)- for some it's easy and for some it is harder. You're always better off going for a simpler version of water.
For example at Applebee's today I could have had a frozen lemonade for ~300calories, the regular lemonade for ~150 calories, or plain water for 0calories, I opted for just plain water and I was totally fine with it.

Again my perspective. If you have something working for you to meet your goals, great!
This approach has worked for me in the past and so I will continue with it as I start cleaning up my eating habits.

I woulda went with the frozen lemonade.

Achrya

So if I mix something in my water it changes properties, got it. Solid, gas, plasma? Or are we talking wizardry? Maybe alchemy?

Only with an equivalent exchange, let's not get crazy.

^Yeah. And who knows what that equivalent property will end up being. Could be an arm. Could be a whole body.

(I know Otter and Chelle will probably know what I'm referring to. >.>)

PikaKnight

So if I mix something in my water it changes properties, got it. Solid, gas, plasma? Or are we talking wizardry? Maybe alchemy?

Only with an equivalent exchange, let's not get crazy.

^Yeah. And who knows what that equivalent property will end up being. Could be an arm. Could be a whole body.

(I know Otter and Chelle will probably know what I'm referring to. >.>)

Aye Sir!

Otterluv

But, if you mess up you can get cool arm replacements which you can then do all sorts of useful stuff with.

auntiebabs

When I was pregnant, for some reason this topic came up regarding decaf coffee.
And she explained that in order for me to drink 1 cup of coffee, I would have to drink 2 cups (twice the amount) of pure water to stay properly hydrated as coffee dehydrates you.

So if your watching what you're eating and exercising, coffee would just counteract your effort and your better off drinking plain water or infused water.

Your body is composed of water of and needs it, "water is water no matter what you mix in it" is just silly because if I mix Kool-Aid i've just negated the benefit of water by adding sugar and other junk and therefore my body and organs won't benefit from "water"

...oh.

Doctor's are notoriously poorly educated in the field of nutrition.

PikaKnight

But, if you mess up you can get cool arm replacements which you can then do all sorts of useful stuff with.

^True story...ish.

Otterluv

But, if you mess up you can get cool arm replacements which you can then do all sorts of useful stuff with.

^True story...ish.

Okay, I glossed over a few parts here and there. Still, silver linings and all that jazz.

suremeansyes

So what you guys are saying is if I drink soda instead of water I get a new, cool arm?

Achrya

But, if you mess up you can get cool arm replacements which you can then do all sorts of useful stuff with.

Well I know what I'm watching tonight.

mom2kpr

If you really want to, you can also count broth based soups toward your water. The whole 8 8 oz of water a day is not true. Yes water is a healthy choice & it is probably good to get some plain wayer everyday. But as long as you stay hydraded all day all you need is liquids. Even liquids with calorie - such as milk - will hydrate you. Just remember to count the calories. With that said, the more plain water I drink, the more I crave plain water. But I do get bored withit sometimes & use Mio or have tea.

EvgeniZyntx

When I was pregnant, for some reason this topic came up regarding decaf coffee.
And she explained that in order for me to drink 1 cup of coffee, I would have to drink 2 cups (twice the amount) of pure water to stay properly hydrated as coffee dehydrates you.

So if your watching what you're eating and exercising, coffee would just counteract your effort and your better off drinking plain water or infused water.

Your body is composed of water of and needs it, "water is water no matter what you mix in it" is just silly because if I mix Kool-Aid i've just negated the benefit of water by adding sugar and other junk and therefore my body and organs won't benefit from "water"

Who is "she"? And no..lmao. Kool aid doesn't negate anything. A substance when mixed with water doesn't just evaporate the water out magically just because it got mixed in.

No this is actually true.

I f you drink the water and have the kool aid powder separately you can count the water.
Together it isn't water. It's kool aid. Entropy shows you you can't separate the kool aid molecules afterwards.

Sarauk2sf

I get water is a part of these things ...it just seems silly to me to count it as pure water :S

Because...? If I measure out two cups of water it's still two cups of water no matter what I mix in. It's just flavored.

I mean, if I eat protein powder and chase it with water that's fine to count but if I mix them in a cup it doesn't count? Why?

So you are pretty much saying everything that has water in it counts? So since soda is carbonated water with high fructose corn syrup in it,, it still counts as water? Juice with water in it is water. So theoretically you never really have to drink plain water cause everything that is liquid is water?...... ok thanks for the info :huh:

Yes. I sometimes don't drink actual water for days but my urine remains the same pale yellow/near clear color it is when I drink five bottles of water, which means I am no less hydrated while not drinking actual 'water'. You also get hydration from food, btw, but that's understandably harder to quantify than the water in a cup of coffee.

Always happy to spread some information around. *sips ginger ale*

So you pretty much just told everyone they never have to drink pure water again.... Soda all the time. Good luck with that.

No, they did not.

Also, I never drink 'pure' water.

Sarauk2sf

Wait. Hold on. This thread is missing something. Oh yes.

Tuna Brownies.

Okay. Carry on.

:flowerforyou:

Sarauk2sf

OP:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/821181-myths-and-facts-about-hydration-requirements

lemonsnowdrop

In for more FMA references.