Big news story: protein

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  • whovian67
    whovian67 Posts: 608 Member
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    Every 6 months, opinions change... Like Kale is sooooo 2013 so i guess we should quit eating it... Swiss Chard is the veggie of 2014...sometimes it's embarrasing to be in the medical field
  • cwsreddy
    cwsreddy Posts: 998 Member
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    Welp, never mind. Article lost all credibility to me when the lead researcher said this:

    "We are not saying go and do some crazy diet we came up with. If we are wrong, there is no harm done, but if we are right you are looking at an incredible effect that in general is about as bad as smoking."

    Um... what? Really?
  • LisaUlrey
    LisaUlrey Posts: 136 Member
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    EVERYTHING CAUSES CANCER! Everything....Just live your life the way you want to and stop worrying
  • Beckilovespizza
    Beckilovespizza Posts: 334 Member
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    Something similar was mentioned on the Dr Michael Mosley documentary 'Eat Fast Live Longer', something about protein helping IGF1 cells grow, if I understood correctly? I'm not gonna stop with my meat though! So much conflicting advice hard to know what to do...
  • Snow3y
    Snow3y Posts: 1,412 Member
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    Thanks to others who take the time to research this thoroughly to support/argue against this post.

    People REALLY need to do their research before reposting everything they read, they leave out so much important information.
  • DamePiglet
    DamePiglet Posts: 3,730 Member
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    I'm getting hungry just reading this...
    Red beans and rice with smoked sausage for lunch today.

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    Nom nom! Protein... deadly, delicious protein!!!
  • cwsreddy
    cwsreddy Posts: 998 Member
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    Something similar was mentioned on the Dr Michael Mosley documentary 'Eat Fast Live Longer', something about protein helping IGF1 cells grow, if I understood correctly? I'm not gonna stop with my meat though! So much conflicting advice hard to know what to do...

    No it isn't. Keep doing what you're all doing and work on losing the weight!

    At the end of the day there will always be new studies and conflicting information but the ONE thing that doesn't change, is that you will be healthier if you're not overweight. That's the one CONSTANT in all these new studies. So until something clear cut comes out one way or the other, keep on doing yo thang.
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
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    Not true the news story is based on recent studies. Here are the details:

    (HealthDay News) -- Millions of middle-aged Americans chow down each day on steaks, cheeseburgers and other protein-rich fare.

    Now two studies find that diets high in meat and cheese, when eaten in middle age, might shorten people's life spans.

    However, in a surprise twist, the same research team found that eating lots of animal-based protein in old age might actually do the opposite.

    "The research shows that a low-protein diet in middle age is useful for preventing cancer and overall mortality [death]," study co-author Eileen Crimmins, the AARP Chair in Gerontology at the University of Southern California, said in a university news release. "However, we also propose that at older ages, it may be important to avoid a low-protein diet to allow the maintenance of healthy weight and protection from frailty."

    The findings were published March 4 in the journal Cell Metabolism

    In the study, the researchers looked at data on more than 6,800 middle-aged and older adults in the United States. They found that 50-year-olds who got more than 20 percent of their calories from animal protein -- mainly meat or dairy products -- had a fourfold increased risk of death from cancer or diabetes. And they had a nearly twofold increased risk of death from any cause over the next 18 years, compared to people on more low-protein regimens.

    Even middle-aged people who consumed only "moderate" levels of animal protein had a threefold increased risk of death from cancer, the researchers reported.

    This increased risk of death was much lower or non-existent in 50-year-olds who ate a diet high in protein sourced mainly from plants, the researchers added.

    However, the study also found that people older than 65 who consumed high amounts of animal protein had a 60 percent lower risk of dying from cancer and a 28 percent lower risk of death from any cause, compared to people who shied away from meat and dairy at this age. Similar benefits were seen in seniors who had moderate levels of protein intake.

    "The majority of Americans are eating about twice as much protein as they should, and it seems that the best change would be to lower the daily intake of all proteins but especially animal-derived proteins," at least in middle age, study senior author Dr. Valter Longo, of the University of Southern California, said in the university news release. "But don't get extreme in cutting out protein; you can go from protected to malnourished very quickly."

    A second study, this time conducted in mice, found that a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet shortened the rodents' lifespan.

    Overall, the findings provide "convincing evidence that a high-protein diet -- particularly if the proteins are derived from animals -- is nearly as bad as smoking for your health," Longo said in a journal news release. He was the senior author of the study conducted in humans.

    The effects of protein consumption on a person's risk of an early death may be partly due to the activation of natural growth hormone and a cellular growth factor called IGF-1, the researchers explained.

    "Notably, the activity of these factors, but also body weight, declines naturally with aging, which may explain why older people not only did not benefit but appeared to do worse if they ate a low-protein diet," Longo said.

    The researchers believe the studies will boost understanding about links between diet and health.

    "We have shown explicitly why it is that calories aren't all the same -- we need to look at where the calories come from and how they interact," Steve Simpson, senior author of the mouse study, said in the journal news release.

    "This research has enormous implications for how much food we eat, our body fat, our heart and metabolic health, and ultimately the duration of our lives," said Simpson, a researcher at the University of Sydney in Australia.

    Except the meat and dairy are also primary sources of fat and they haven't disproven that the fat might be the cause, not the protein. Causality.
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
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    Oh, and it also depends on the type of cancer... there are literally thousands of kinds . Like, for instance, I have brain cancer, and they really have no idea what causes that.
  • denlord59
    denlord59 Posts: 3
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    please help - I love eggs and have now found out I am allergic to egg white. Eating egg yolks on their own is not the same. Does anyone have any suggestions. This is probably the wrong place to post this.
  • rowlandsw
    rowlandsw Posts: 1,166 Member
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    Another news report with nothing backing it probably funded by an anti-meat and dairy group. Seems like every study has an agenda behind it either by the researchers to start with or to appease their funders.
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
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    please help - I love eggs and have now found out I am allergic to egg white. Eating egg yolks on their own is not the same. Does anyone have any suggestions. This is probably the wrong place to post this.

    It is, I'd start a new thread under the nutrition heading. You'll get a lot more notice and real help ther.
  • cwsreddy
    cwsreddy Posts: 998 Member
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    Another news report with nothing backing it probably funded by an anti-meat and dairy group. Seems like every study has an agenda behind it either by the researchers to start with or to appease their funders.

    you're right. EVERY study. not just the ones the masses disagree with. :wink:
  • denlord59
    denlord59 Posts: 3
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    many thanks
  • GeekdGirl
    GeekdGirl Posts: 218 Member
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    Growing up I'd been told that starlight gives you cancer... read that again. Star-light. As in the light from stars in the sky...
  • zumbajheri
    zumbajheri Posts: 200 Member
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    I'm in after reading this: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-03/uosc-mac022814.php
  • coolraul07
    coolraul07 Posts: 1,606 Member
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    It's gone full circle. At first, fats were the enemy, then carbs. Now protein? I bet scientists are going to start recommending that Air and Sunlight only diet. :noway:

    Make way for next stage in human evolution. Behold - "Arboreus - The Photosynthetic Man"
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  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
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    I know for fact (well I read it in a paper somewhere) that worrying about cancer gives you cancer.
  • nickowastaken
    nickowastaken Posts: 751 Member
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    The list of things that cause cancer according to the Daily Mail:

    http://www.anorak.co.uk/288298/scare-stories/the-daily-mails-list-of-things-that-give-you-cancer-from-a-to-z.html/

    List includes *kitten*... I don't know but I think there needs to be more research into that one...
  • jlynnm70
    jlynnm70 Posts: 460 Member
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    It's gone full circle. At first, fats were the enemy, then carbs. Now protein? I bet scientists are going to start recommending that Air and Sunlight only diet. :noway:

    Wait - we know the SUN is bad - melanoma - and I'm sure there is something with air pollution - I have an idea - just do the best you can AND.....

    Live and let Live - after all no one gets out ALIVE!!!!!

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