My meeting with a Sports Nutritionist
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As a scientist I would like to remind people of the "Half-life of facts", which says that over time half of what you know to be true will be untrue.
Skepticism and questioning facts are vital to progress. Hating on a forum that, at it's core, is supposed to encourage and inspire users to lose weight is wrong.
As a scientist I would expect you to appreciate asking for facts rather than being asked to take someone's word for things. Skepticism and questioning facts is vital to progress, I completely agree. And questioning and arguing the minutiae of an assertion is how we find truth.0 -
When an egg is released but isn’t fertilized, the body secretes progesterone to start the menstrual flow.
This is incorrect.
Progesterone is secreted starting with ovulation to prepare the uterus for implantation of the fertilized egg. If there is a pregnancy, progesterone secretion continues.
If the egg isn't fertilized, progesterone secretion drops off and the uterine lining sloughed off.
I missed that post otherwise I wouldn't have bothered with mine. And it was much more to the point than mine (shocker).0 -
Skepticism and questioning facts are vital to progress. Hating on a forum that, at it's core, is supposed to encourage and inspire users to lose weight is wrong.
.... The first part seems to contradict the second.
In my opinion they don't.
I can question your "facts" and promote what I believe to be true without it descending into an argument.
Questioning someone's facts and promoting your own opinion instead is pretty much the definition of an argument.
I guess that depends on what side of the Atlantic you're on.0 -
I'm saving this to read later:)0
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Thank you for taking the time to share this! Very informative and just plain common sense. She's the expert and I believe what she says. Pay no attention to all the crackpots coming out of the MFP woodwork to dispute what she told you and 'prove her wrong!'
LOL ..all the 'crackpots" are the ones that have kept weight off and recomped their bodies over a period of years…but hey, what would people that have actual long term success know...0 -
In high school, my friend's dad was a doctor and he told us the same thing about eating more around PMS. Glad to hear it from someone else!0
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I have coffee for breakfast every day and usually dont eat until after noon.
I am doing quite well.
YOU GONNA GET FAT!
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As a scientist I would like to remind people of the "Half-life of facts", which says that over time half of what you know to be true will be untrue.
Skepticism and questioning facts are vital to progress. Hating on a forum that, at it's core, is supposed to encourage and inspire users to lose weight is wrong.
As a scientist I would expect you to appreciate asking for facts rather than being asked to take someone's word for things. Skepticism and questioning facts is vital to progress, I completely agree. And questioning and arguing the minutiae of an assertion is how we find truth.
I agree totally and you missed my point. A discussion is welcome. An argument isn't.0 -
AS A SCIENTIST....
I'm going to have to agree with the masses that this all sounds like correlation and not causation.
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I'm actually going to speak to her credentials. She's a sports nutritionist. SPORTS. Not a nutritionist who specializes in weight loss. She does seem to know her stuff when it comes to sports. But knowing about sports does not mean she knows about weight loss.
The two are not the same. For example. I am a Social Psychologist. I conduct research on gender discrimination in the workplace and leadership. Saying a sports nutritionist can speak with authority and expertise on weight loss is like saying that I can start treating patients for depression.
LINE UP FOLKS! DOCTOR LIZ IS IN!!!0 -
I have coffee for breakfast every day and usually dont eat until after noon.
I am doing quite well.
YOU GONNA GET FAT!
this made me LOL0 -
Thank you for taking the time to share this! Very informative and just plain common sense. She's the expert and I believe what she says. Pay no attention to all the crackpots coming out of the MFP woodwork to dispute what she told you and 'prove her wrong!'
LOL ..all the 'crackpots" are the ones that have kept weight off and recomped their bodies over a period of years…but hey, what would people that have actual long term success know...
Yep. And the real argument among people who having done this is a razor thin area. We waste an incredible amount of time arguing with the idiots rather than discussing the gray areas among ourselves.0 -
AS A SCIENTIST....
I'm going to have to agree with the masses that this all sounds like correlation and not causation.
BUT
I'm actually going to speak to her credentials. She's a sports nutritionist. SPORTS. Not a nutritionist who specializes in weight loss. She does seem to know her stuff when it comes to sports. But knowing about sports does not mean she knows about weight loss.
The two are not the same. For example. I am a Social Psychologist. I conduct research on gender discrimination in the workplace and leadership. Saying a sports nutritionist can speak with authority and expertise on weight loss is like saying that I can start treating patients for depression.
LINE UP FOLKS! DOCTOR LIZ IS IN!!!
but wait you are Dr. so you can perform open heart surgery on me, right?0 -
Every body works differently, I didn't eat breakfast during my first 20 lbs lost. I started eating breakfast because I didn't want to lose as fast as I was, and I'm still losing weight. I also used to eat dinner as my biggest meal of the day, being about 700-800 calories out of a 1300-1400 calorie day. And I lost weight fine...maybe these things she's SUGGESTING are for people who half *kitten* it in the gym and need extra help watching what they eat.
What is is SUGGESTING is really only relevant to people who are not counting calories and are taking a casual approach to nutrition. A person who is eating at a reasonable deficit and exercising a decent amount of self-control will see little to no benefit from eating a large breakfast and small dinner as calorie counting is what matters.You can do all the research you want, but at the end of the day it's about each person experimenting with different methods to find what works for them, as opposed to taking someone's word as law because, "..but research! Statistics and numbers!" Things that can be correlational and not causational!
Because anecdote > research.
Riiiiight.0 -
As a scientist I would like to remind people of the "Half-life of facts", which says that over time half of what you know to be true will be untrue.
Skepticism and questioning facts are vital to progress. Hating on a forum that, at it's core, is supposed to encourage and inspire users to lose weight is wrong.
As a scientist I would expect you to appreciate asking for facts rather than being asked to take someone's word for things. Skepticism and questioning facts is vital to progress, I completely agree. And questioning and arguing the minutiae of an assertion is how we find truth.
I agree totally and you missed my point. A discussion is welcome. An argument isn't.
It might help if you pointed out some of the posts you consider "hating" versus just "discussing." Otherwise we're just guessing at what you mean.0 -
Thank you for taking the time to share this! Very informative and just plain common sense. She's the expert and I believe what she says. Pay no attention to all the crackpots coming out of the MFP woodwork to dispute what she told you and 'prove her wrong!'
LOL ..all the 'crackpots" are the ones that have kept weight off and recomped their bodies over a period of years…but hey, what would people that have actual long term success know...
Yep. And the real argument among people who having done this is a razor thin area. We waste an incredible amount of time arguing with the idiots rather than discussing the gray areas among ourselves.
LOLZ …agreed...0 -
AS A SCIENTIST....
I'm going to have to agree with the masses that this all sounds like correlation and not causation.
BUT
I'm actually going to speak to her credentials. She's a sports nutritionist. SPORTS. Not a nutritionist who specializes in weight loss. She does seem to know her stuff when it comes to sports. But knowing about sports does not mean she knows about weight loss.
The two are not the same. For example. I am a Social Psychologist. I conduct research on gender discrimination in the workplace and leadership. Saying a sports nutritionist can speak with authority and expertise on weight loss is like saying that I can start treating patients for depression.
LINE UP FOLKS! DOCTOR LIZ IS IN!!!
but wait you are Dr. so you can perform open heart surgery on me, right?
MOST DEFINITELY! It's one of my favorite past times! Now where is that pesky aorta...0 -
As a scientist I would like to remind people of the "Half-life of facts", which says that over time half of what you know to be true will be untrue.
Skepticism and questioning facts are vital to progress. Hating on a forum that, at it's core, is supposed to encourage and inspire users to lose weight is wrong.
As a scientist I would expect you to appreciate asking for facts rather than being asked to take someone's word for things. Skepticism and questioning facts is vital to progress, I completely agree. And questioning and arguing the minutiae of an assertion is how we find truth.
I agree totally and you missed my point. A discussion is welcome. An argument isn't.
To me they are one in the same.0 -
I have coffee for breakfast every day and usually dont eat until after noon.
I am doing quite well.
YOU GONNA GET FAT!
mesmerizing, yet terrifying.0 -
As a scientist I would like to remind people of the "Half-life of facts", which says that over time half of what you know to be true will be untrue.
Skepticism and questioning facts are vital to progress. Hating on a forum that, at it's core, is supposed to encourage and inspire users to lose weight is wrong.
As a scientist I would expect you to appreciate asking for facts rather than being asked to take someone's word for things. Skepticism and questioning facts is vital to progress, I completely agree. And questioning and arguing the minutiae of an assertion is how we find truth.
I agree totally and you missed my point. A discussion is welcome. An argument isn't.
Well I'm sorry there has been a disagreement on MFP where you don't find it welcome.
Perhaps when you see a disagreement or debate on an internet forum you should just close your browser instead of entering into it.
Also: posts repeatedly arguing that arguments are not welcome. Well done.0 -
Thank you for taking the time to share this! Very informative and just plain common sense. She's the expert and I believe what she says. Pay no attention to all the crackpots coming out of the MFP woodwork to dispute what she told you and 'prove her wrong!'
LOL ..all the 'crackpots" are the ones that have kept weight off and recomped their bodies over a period of years…but hey, what would people that have actual long term success know...
Yep. And the real argument among people who having done this is a razor thin area. We waste an incredible amount of time arguing with the idiots rather than discussing the gray areas among ourselves.
Heh. You know, I actually question why I bother trying to help people on the main forums. The reasonable discussions take place in groups and you're not trying to explain basic concepts over and over and over to people who neither appreciate your time nor likely will follow the advice you give them.0 -
Thank you for taking the time to share this! Very informative and just plain common sense. She's the expert and I believe what she says. Pay no attention to all the crackpots coming out of the MFP woodwork to dispute what she told you and 'prove her wrong!'
LOL ..all the 'crackpots" are the ones that have kept weight off and recomped their bodies over a period of years…but hey, what would people that have actual long term success know...
Yep. And the real argument among people who having done this is a razor thin area. We waste an incredible amount of time arguing with the idiots rather than discussing the gray areas among ourselves.
Heh. You know, I actually question why I bother trying to help people on the main forums. The reasonable discussions take place in groups and you're not trying to explain basic concepts over and over and over to people who neither appreciate your time nor likely will follow the advice you give them.
On the contrary, I seem to learn the most by defending my opinions from idiots attacking on all sides.0 -
Thank you for taking the time to share this! Very informative and just plain common sense. She's the expert and I believe what she says. Pay no attention to all the crackpots coming out of the MFP woodwork to dispute what she told you and 'prove her wrong!'
LOL ..all the 'crackpots" are the ones that have kept weight off and recomped their bodies over a period of years…but hey, what would people that have actual long term success know...
Yep. And the real argument among people who having done this is a razor thin area. We waste an incredible amount of time arguing with the idiots rather than discussing the gray areas among ourselves.
Heh. You know, I actually question why I bother trying to help people on the main forums. The reasonable discussions take place in groups and you're not trying to explain basic concepts over and over and over to people who neither appreciate your time nor likely will follow the advice you give them.
seriously, I feel like I am typing the same thing over and over…and then same crap always come up "sugar is bad", "carbs are evil", what detox should I do …and on and on and on ...0 -
Thank you for taking the time to share this! Very informative and just plain common sense. She's the expert and I believe what she says. Pay no attention to all the crackpots coming out of the MFP woodwork to dispute what she told you and 'prove her wrong!'
LOL ..all the 'crackpots" are the ones that have kept weight off and recomped their bodies over a period of years…but hey, what would people that have actual long term success know...
Yep. And the real argument among people who having done this is a razor thin area. We waste an incredible amount of time arguing with the idiots rather than discussing the gray areas among ourselves.
Heh. You know, I actually question why I bother trying to help people on the main forums. The reasonable discussions take place in groups and you're not trying to explain basic concepts over and over and over to people who neither appreciate your time nor likely will follow the advice you give them.
On the contrary, I seem to learn the most by defending my opinions from idiots attacking on all sides.
that is a good point…repetition leads to a sharper argument...0 -
I had a great meeting with one of the top Sports Nutritionists in the country today. I went in expecting to discuss how many calories I should be eating, macros, etc. Here are the highlights of the meeting:
- weight loss of more than 1 lb. per week is 97% likely to be regained and lost muscle tissue is replaced by fat when regained
- people who KEEP weight off do the following: eat breakfast, don't allow themselves to get overly hungry, eat everything in moderation, exercise, weigh themselves regularly and keep a food journal.
- when ovulating, women can need an additional 300-500 calories, so instead of feeling like you have no willpower when you are PMS'ing, you should eat more.....your body needs it
- eating protein AND carbs after working out is essential - carbs fuel, protein rebuilds....we need both
- saving all your calories until dinner causes you to gain weight; you are supposed to fuel during the day and lose weight while you are sleeping - so eat the majority of your calories throughout the day and SPOIL YOUR APPETITE for dinner and then just have something light
- you CAN gain muscle on a deficit for the first 6 months of starting a weightlifting program and then you plateau
- using a scale as the only method to assess your progress is a BAD idea, especially if you are weight training; instead, use your mirror, tape measure, and how your clothes fit. if you see less fat, you are losing fat, even if the scale is not moving much.
- sustainable weight loss is about managing your intake and NOT allowing yourself to get overly hungry is really important. When you allow yourself to get overly hungry, your body has a physiological response that causes you to overeat, and you ultimately take in more calories than you would have consumed if you had just kept up with your hunger
- you should eat when your body is showing signs of hunger - it is a sign that all the energy you gave it has been used up and it needs more fuel to keep going. You should stay in the 4-5 range, where 1 is starving and 10 is stuffed and 5 is content. Most dieters stay in the 3 range, are always hungry, and "blow" their eating because their body rebels eventually and they overeat. That is why managing your hunger is hugely important.
- you need to eat just as many calories on your rest day as your workout days to rebuild your muscles, so go ahead and eat when you are hungry on your off day....it's beneficial
- metabolic damage is a REAL thing, but you have to eat very little to cause it - and you will know it's happening because you will be hungry all the time, day in and day out.....and that is not sustainable. Most people underestimate the calories they are consuming....for example, my 80 calorie apple I was munching while we met was really 140 calories, she told me!
- You DO NOT need to eat when you aren't hungry just to meet a calorie goal (unless you are underweight). Your body is the best calorie counter there is, she said. And apparently I am right on track!
Her name is Nancy Clark, in case anyone wants to check out her credentials and website. Hope this is helpful. The meeting has changed the way I've been looking at my weight loss, for the better! The diet industry has made all of us afraid to trust ourselves...and they make billions as a result.
As someone who's been in maintenance for nearly eight years now (I lost 70-80 pounds), I agree with much of what you had to say. I would NOT have agreed with you 5 or 6 years ago, but the mind is very powerful. Very good tips, and I can guarantee you that the ones on here who successfully maintain large weight losses and transform their bodies will adhere to many of those principles down the road if they want to keep it off. The biggest piece of advice I can give people is to not starve themselves.0 -
In high school, my friend's dad was a doctor and he told us the same thing about eating more around PMS. Glad to hear it from someone else!
I have read some things to suggest the same, during menstruation, that is. My question here is there is typically a two week window between ovulation and the start of menstruation. That leaves a lot of time for extra calories.0 -
Thank you for taking the time to share this! Very informative and just plain common sense. She's the expert and I believe what she says. Pay no attention to all the crackpots coming out of the MFP woodwork to dispute what she told you and 'prove her wrong!'
LOL ..all the 'crackpots" are the ones that have kept weight off and recomped their bodies over a period of years…but hey, what would people that have actual long term success know...
Yep. And the real argument among people who having done this is a razor thin area. We waste an incredible amount of time arguing with the idiots rather than discussing the gray areas among ourselves.
Heh. You know, I actually question why I bother trying to help people on the main forums. The reasonable discussions take place in groups and you're not trying to explain basic concepts over and over and over to people who neither appreciate your time nor likely will follow the advice you give them.
On the contrary, I seem to learn the most by defending my opinions from idiots attacking on all sides.
I can see some benefit to that as you really have to dig into a topic to truly defend it, whereas others who agree with the premise will usually take it at its word.0 -
Thank you for taking the time to share this! Very informative and just plain common sense. She's the expert and I believe what she says. Pay no attention to all the crackpots coming out of the MFP woodwork to dispute what she told you and 'prove her wrong!'
LOL ..all the 'crackpots" are the ones that have kept weight off and recomped their bodies over a period of years…but hey, what would people that have actual long term success know...
Yep. And the real argument among people who having done this is a razor thin area. We waste an incredible amount of time arguing with the idiots rather than discussing the gray areas among ourselves.
Heh. You know, I actually question why I bother trying to help people on the main forums. The reasonable discussions take place in groups and you're not trying to explain basic concepts over and over and over to people who neither appreciate your time nor likely will follow the advice you give them.
Please carry on for all the people reading and learning but not participating
Love from The Creepers :flowerforyou:0 -
Thank you for taking the time to share this! Very informative and just plain common sense. She's the expert and I believe what she says. Pay no attention to all the crackpots coming out of the MFP woodwork to dispute what she told you and 'prove her wrong!'
LOL ..all the 'crackpots" are the ones that have kept weight off and recomped their bodies over a period of years…but hey, what would people that have actual long term success know...
Yep. And the real argument among people who having done this is a razor thin area. We waste an incredible amount of time arguing with the idiots rather than discussing the gray areas among ourselves.
Heh. You know, I actually question why I bother trying to help people on the main forums. The reasonable discussions take place in groups and you're not trying to explain basic concepts over and over and over to people who neither appreciate your time nor likely will follow the advice you give them.
On the contrary, I seem to learn the most by defending my opinions from idiots attacking on all sides.
I can see some benefit to that as you really have to dig into a topic to truly defend it, whereas others who agree with the premise will usually take it at its word.
Argument is great, I love it, but arguing against a brick wall is fruitless. The better focus is on those areas that are actually open for debate. In other words, arguing with flat earthers isn't going to accomplish anything. There are better subjects. Just my 2 cents.0 -
Thank you for taking the time to share this! Very informative and just plain common sense. She's the expert and I believe what she says. Pay no attention to all the crackpots coming out of the MFP woodwork to dispute what she told you and 'prove her wrong!'
LOL ..all the 'crackpots" are the ones that have kept weight off and recomped their bodies over a period of years…but hey, what would people that have actual long term success know...
Yep. And the real argument among people who having done this is a razor thin area. We waste an incredible amount of time arguing with the idiots rather than discussing the gray areas among ourselves.
Heh. You know, I actually question why I bother trying to help people on the main forums. The reasonable discussions take place in groups and you're not trying to explain basic concepts over and over and over to people who neither appreciate your time nor likely will follow the advice you give them.
Please carry on for all the people reading and learning but not participating
Love from The Creepers :flowerforyou:
Right on! I've countless laughs reading these forums - and reading NDJ1979's seemingly endless repetitive responses over and over!0 -
Thank you for taking the time to share this! Very informative and just plain common sense. She's the expert and I believe what she says. Pay no attention to all the crackpots coming out of the MFP woodwork to dispute what she told you and 'prove her wrong!'
LOL ..all the 'crackpots" are the ones that have kept weight off and recomped their bodies over a period of years…but hey, what would people that have actual long term success know...
Yep. And the real argument among people who having done this is a razor thin area. We waste an incredible amount of time arguing with the idiots rather than discussing the gray areas among ourselves.
Heh. You know, I actually question why I bother trying to help people on the main forums. The reasonable discussions take place in groups and you're not trying to explain basic concepts over and over and over to people who neither appreciate your time nor likely will follow the advice you give them.
On the contrary, I seem to learn the most by defending my opinions from idiots attacking on all sides.
I can see some benefit to that as you really have to dig into a topic to truly defend it, whereas others who agree with the premise will usually take it at its word.
Argument is great, I love it, but arguing against a brick wall is fruitless. The better focus is on those areas that are actually open for debate. In other words, arguing with flat earthers isn't going to accomplish anything. There are better subjects. Just my 2 cents.
I agree, but I can't seem to stay out of the brick wall sugar addiction threads…maybe I have a *gasp* addiction???? bahahahahahaha0
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