Why you should NOT workout
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Why am I replying to this...
There is a fallacy in your argument
The premise that " we are born with a certain number of heartbeats"
does not support the conclusion that "if you exercise, your heart beats faster to your early demise"
Based on that argument alone we should also not: have sex (thus not reproduce), not work (stress causes elevated heart rates), not watch movies (elevates our emotions which increases our heart beats), and the list continues. The only thing we should do is stick a feeding tube in our bodies, stay in our beds, and sleep -- again like you said, its not about quality life, but I digress before I go onto another tangent
Yes, humans do have a "shelf life," as in eventually... we all die. WHEN we die is a matter of fate which I guess you can argue is already predetermined, so yes in theory we do have a "limited" amount of heart beats. Also whether by pulling the plug when you're brain dead or in a car accident or by natural death, the way everyone dies is through a cardiac death. This is where the confusion seems to be.
With the above stated information, lets go through a thought experiment: A man named John lives to be 50 year old and then dies. In those 50 years he has accumulated 123, 456, 789 heart beats.
Everyone dies (when determined by fate) and everyone dies a cardiac death, so your premise seems valid; however, it does NOT support the conclusion that thus we should not exercise.
In our hypothetical scenario, John died from a car accident. Your conclusion doesn't take into account the many other variables in life, it simply assumes that people die a natural death. It doesn't take into account accidents and ailments among other things that can befall on a person.
"Point is, time and gravity are what cause things to have a shelf life including instruments. And human body is the same. When you use it faster, you lose it faster.....is what they are saying."
Time is a man-made social construct -- time doesn't exist
Gravity is only but a theory.
But okay hypothetically again, let's say it was true and look at your argument from another scenario: You buy say.... an ipad and there is a product obsolescence that's set for exactly 2 years. This means in exactly 2 years, it will start malfunctioning and break. Would you A) Put it on a shelf to collect dust or
Use it as many times as you can to the best potential until it breaks at that 2 year mark. I think we both know the answer here, same thing applies to the human body.
"Ok so lets think about it. You buy a clock....you take super care of it, you keep it in a dust proof, vacuumed container. do you really think it will work longer than the identicant one you bought that gathered dust? i think not"
Yes, the answer to that question is yes. And again to prove the fallacy in your argument, let's look at another scenario: Cars. Imagine you had a car that you washed, changed the oils, changed the break fluid and steering wheel fluid, put water in it, etc on a regular basis. Imagine another car of the SAME make and model and year in which you didn't do any of those things. Which of the two would last longer? Same thing goes for the human body.
"The assertion is that 99% of life expectancy is in your genes and pre-decided upon birth.
Now quality of life is a variable you can change. You can be fit to enjoy a run or a hike. You can enjoy the fresh fruits and vegetables, program yourself to do that. You can lift your grandson when you are 80.
But you can probably not change expectation of life by any appreciable quantity.
This is why you see that life expectancy increases for a population and not for a subgroup of people, over time. And life expectancy increases due to medical break throughs and technological advances, not because of improved workouts."
You started off so well! Why did you stop!
Yes genes do play a factor, so you do realize there more factors that play into this, that's great!
BUT genes are NOT the only factors that play a role. Lifestyle and environmental factors also play a huge role into this!
Another scenario: a man has a family history (genetic) of high blood pressure that lead to the death of his father and grandfather via heart attack and stroke respectively. However, through diet and exercise he was able to prevent high blood pressure and has not had a case of it. So there goes the argument of genes being the sole determining factor.
As to life expectancy increases being due to medical and technological advances, not improved work outs.... Not quite...
For example, take a look at Japan. They have the highest living expectancy BECAUSE of their lifestyle of eating healthy and exercising (might not exactly be in a gym but they walk everywhere for example).
Also if you look at 1st world vs 3rd world countries one of the biggest differences (other than technological and medical advances) is their LIFESTYLE. People have access to clean water and food in 1st world countries that the 3rd world does not. But what's interesting to note is that if you compare a healthy person from a 1st world country vs 3rd world country, people in the 3rd world country are healthier because of their diet and active lifestyle. So in conclusion, the reason why the life expectancy is lower in 3rd world countries is NOT solely based on technological and medical advances but rather because of the lack of access to be able to live a healthy lifestyle.
So to conclude this already long reply: death is inevitable and based on fate-- I'll take your premise. But fear of death should not be hindering us to live to the fullest; and once again there are MANY benefits to a healthy diet and exercise that's proven to help prevent/cure/alleviate the many road blocks in life that might prevent us from reaching the point where our heart will "run out of beats". So it might not necessarily let us live longer per say, but atleast it'll help us get to the point to where we die because our heart failed us.
Also quantity does not surpass quality (you can read John Mill to learn all about that).
And lastly... don't believe everything you hear on the interwebz
Is this real life? Did you just write a book?? On something.... Hmmmm
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Is this real life? Did you just write a book?? On something.... Hmmmm
Eh I'm a nerd, what can I say
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Why am I replying to this...
There is a fallacy in your argument
The premise that " we are born with a certain number of heartbeats"
does not support the conclusion that "if you exercise, your heart beats faster to your early demise"
Based on that argument alone we should also not: have sex (thus not reproduce), not work (stress causes elevated heart rates), not watch movies (elevates our emotions which increases our heart beats), and the list continues. The only thing we should do is stick a feeding tube in our bodies, stay in our beds, and sleep -- again like you said, its not about quality life, but I digress before I go onto another tangent
Yes, humans do have a "shelf life," as in eventually... we all die. WHEN we die is a matter of fate which I guess you can argue is already predetermined, so yes in theory we do have a "limited" amount of heart beats. Also whether by pulling the plug when you're brain dead or in a car accident or by natural death, the way everyone dies is through a cardiac death. This is where the confusion seems to be.
With the above stated information, lets go through a thought experiment: A man named John lives to be 50 year old and then dies. In those 50 years he has accumulated 123, 456, 789 heart beats.
Everyone dies (when determined by fate) and everyone dies a cardiac death, so your premise seems valid; however, it does NOT support the conclusion that thus we should not exercise.
In our hypothetical scenario, John died from a car accident. Your conclusion doesn't take into account the many other variables in life, it simply assumes that people die a natural death. It doesn't take into account accidents and ailments among other things that can befall on a person.
"Point is, time and gravity are what cause things to have a shelf life including instruments. And human body is the same. When you use it faster, you lose it faster.....is what they are saying."
Time is a man-made social construct -- time doesn't exist
Gravity is only but a theory.
But okay hypothetically again, let's say it was true and look at your argument from another scenario: You buy say.... an ipad and there is a product obsolescence that's set for exactly 2 years. This means in exactly 2 years, it will start malfunctioning and break. Would you A) Put it on a shelf to collect dust or Use it as many times as you can to the best potential until it breaks at that 2 year mark. I think we both know the answer here, same thing applies to the human body.
"Ok so lets think about it. You buy a clock....you take super care of it, you keep it in a dust proof, vacuumed container. do you really think it will work longer than the identicant one you bought that gathered dust? i think not"
Yes, the answer to that question is yes. And again to prove the fallacy in your argument, let's look at another scenario: Cars. Imagine you had a car that you washed, changed the oils, changed the break fluid and steering wheel fluid, put water in it, etc on a regular basis. Imagine another car of the SAME make and model and year in which you didn't do any of those things. Which of the two would last longer? Same thing goes for the human body.
"The assertion is that 99% of life expectancy is in your genes and pre-decided upon birth.
Now quality of life is a variable you can change. You can be fit to enjoy a run or a hike. You can enjoy the fresh fruits and vegetables, program yourself to do that. You can lift your grandson when you are 80.
But you can probably not change expectation of life by any appreciable quantity.
This is why you see that life expectancy increases for a population and not for a subgroup of people, over time. And life expectancy increases due to medical break throughs and technological advances, not because of improved workouts."
You started off so well! Why did you stop!
Yes genes do play a factor, so you do realize there more factors that play into this, that's great!
BUT genes are NOT the only factors that play a role. Lifestyle and environmental factors also play a huge role into this!
Another scenario: a man has a family history (genetic) of high blood pressure that lead to the death of his father and grandfather via heart attack and stroke respectively. However, through diet and exercise he was able to prevent high blood pressure and has not had a case of it. So there goes the argument of genes being the sole determining factor.
As to life expectancy increases being due to medical and technological advances, not improved work outs.... Not quite...
For example, take a look at Japan. They have the highest living expectancy BECAUSE of their lifestyle of eating healthy and exercising (might not exactly be in a gym but they walk everywhere for example).
Also if you look at 1st world vs 3rd world countries one of the biggest differences (other than technological and medical advances) is their LIFESTYLE. People have access to clean water and food in 1st world countries that the 3rd world does not. But what's interesting to note is that if you compare a healthy person from a 1st world country vs 3rd world country, people in the 3rd world country are healthier because of their diet and active lifestyle. So in conclusion, the reason why the life expectancy is lower in 3rd world countries is NOT solely based on technological and medical advances but rather because of the lack of access to be able to live a healthy lifestyle.
So to conclude this already long reply: death is inevitable and based on fate-- I'll take your premise. But fear of death should not be hindering us to live to the fullest; and once again there are MANY benefits to a healthy diet and exercise that's proven to help prevent/cure/alleviate the many road blocks in life that might prevent us from reaching the point where our heart will "run out of beats". So it might not necessarily let us live longer per say, but atleast it'll help us get to the point to where we die because our heart failed us.
Also quantity does not surpass quality (you can read John Mill to learn all about that).
And lastly... don't believe everything you hear on the interwebz
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I read a site that was promoting this idea. Lol.
Don't do squats either because you'll wear out your legs.
Don't *kitten*, because you'll wear out your critical parts.
Lies! Everyone knows you just go blind from masturbating too often :ohwell:
More lies.....if you *kitten* with your eyes closed, you remain unblind
But what if you *kitten* in a blindfold with your eyes open?
You get cataracts of course, silly question.
Old wives tale, you do not go blind frm masturbatinh.
Sorry if thers spelling errors, due to a recent visiom problem Ive had to lern to touch typ!0 -
Heard on the interwebz that we are all born with a certain number of heartbeats. So if you exercise, your heart beats faster to your early demise.
If a clock, a clutch, an IPad has s shelf life, then it makes sense that the heart as a shelf life.
What say you?
Don't believe the premise that you have finite beats but exercise also makes your heart stronger and more efficient lowering your resting heart rate and meaning that everyday tasks won't elevate your heart rate anywhere near as much
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I spy with my little eye.....
...... A TROLL!!!!!!0 -
I spy with my little eye.....
If you lack the intelligence to understand what's being said, I'm sure you'd label Einstein a troll
...... A TROLL!!!!!!0 -
My take on this. Six years ago I had 4 different arythmias in my heart . I would get bouts where my heart would race over 200 beats a minute usually when I was at rest. I had a procedure done called a electro ablation. They go in and burn the bad spots on the heart making it bleed . Thus this is what kills the circuit. ANYWAY sorry so long, but my cardiologist told me in Rochester that because your heart is a muscle, like any other muscle in your body you have to exercise it to keep it working efficiently. He described it as people who can no longer use their legs the muscles atrophy, making them no longer usable, so we have to strengthen that heart and keep it strong. We are all born with a expiration date anyway, having nothing to do with sitting around so the heart can rest. Kind of bullsh-- to me. Just sayin.0
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The assertion is that 99% of life expectancy is in your genes and pre-decided upon birth.
This is probably true. My grandmother chain smoked cigarettes and worked in a hair salon where she breathed in carcinogenic chemicals for 50-60 years. She died at age 86. She really would have probably died at 86 anyway, or maybe 90, but what's the damn difference? What age you're going to live to is definitely genetic, and considering how long my grandparents lived (85-95 even though they drank, smoked and ate straight lard on bread every single day in their childhood) I've got a pretty good chance of living that long too.
Oh, and I drink, smoke, stir fry my veggies in bacon grease *and* work out on a regular basis.
We're not on this site to live to 100. I certainly am not. Who wants to spend the last 15 years of life not being able to wipe their own butt? Exercising is my way of being physically able to wipe my own butt... until I'm tired of it...
Amen sister!!!!!!!!:drinker:0 -
The amount of people who take this seriously is too damn high!0
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It's on the internetz, I believe it!
You left out the cat gif though, I am dissapoint.0 -
.I spy with my little eye.....
If you lack the intelligence to understand what's being said, I'm sure you'd label Einstein a troll
...... A TROLL!!!!!!
If you lack the intelligence to properly reply to a quote on a message forum, I'm sure you would consider Kanye West as smart as Einstein.0 -
I am a French model...0
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.I spy with my little eye.....
If you lack the intelligence to understand what's being said, I'm sure you'd label Einstein a troll
...... A TROLL!!!!!!
If you lack the intelligence to properly reply to a quote on a message forum, I'm sure you would consider Kanye West as smart as Einstein.
*facepalm*
I won't even try to find an image0 -
.I spy with my little eye.....
If you lack the intelligence to understand what's being said, I'm sure you'd label Einstein a troll
...... A TROLL!!!!!!
If you lack the intelligence to properly reply to a quote on a message forum, I'm sure you would consider Kanye West as smart as Einstein.
*facepalm*
I won't even try to find an image
I gotcha...
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You guys are so witty and smart!!0
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Today I stopped working out and I felt so much better!0
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Heard on the interwebz that we are all born with a certain number of heartbeats. So if you exercise, your heart beats faster to your early demise.
If a clock, a clutch, an IPad has s shelf life, then it makes sense that the heart as a shelf life.
What say you?
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Heard on the interwebz that we are all born with a certain number of heartbeats. So if you exercise, your heart beats faster to your early demise.
If a clock, a clutch, an IPad has s shelf life, then it makes sense that the heart as a shelf life.
What say you?
Exactly! Stop punching yourself in the face on the stairmaster!0 -
The human body is far more complex than a watch or an iPad, but yeah, there is a valid point there. Too much of anything is not good for the body. It is actually true that you can be too healthy or too fit.
I hope this isn't trolling but I think this might make for an interesting read and although it focuses on running, it might answer your question. http://www.health24.com/Fitness/News/Too-much-running-may-shorten-your-life-201404020 -
A body in motion stays in motion ..
So to save your heart lie in bed all day and move as little as possible. Side effects may include: weight gain, bed sores, muscle atrophy, and death.0 -
Amazing how a lot of people can't see sarcasm and wit! I just find it so hysterical! I think Brits are generally so much more sarcastic than you guys over the pond. Seems some of my American friends love sarcasm, other have got offended, but they are no longer on my friends list!!! This was incredibly amusing! Thanks :-D0
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#BestMFPThread20140
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But we have no definite proof that exercise makes you live longer. Not talking quality of life. Sure you can be a fat slob, cant take the stairs and live to be 100, and sure you can be an athlete and have a heart attach at 45....
Point is, time and gravity are what cause things to have a shelf life including instruments. And human body is the same. When you use it faster, you lose it faster.....is what they are saying.
i am just the news bearer
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This analogy reminds me of a certain society that covered up their mirrors because they didn't want to wear it out. You ony got so many looks. haha!
If you need an analogy, would you rather drive a car that's just been sitting in the garage for a year straight, untouched or drive one that has been on the road, getting regular maintenance?0 -
Though I don't think exercise is essential for a long life, but if you don't take care of yourself I'm sure a host of other things like heart / lung disease, diabetes, etc will get you first. Exercise is proved to help treat depression too. I guess the point I am trying to make is that from my point of view the pros out weigh any cons I can see.0
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OP, you've must have never heard of antifragility or Wolff's law (even though he was analyzing bones).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifragile:_Things_That_Gain_from_Disorder
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OP is talking sense.
That's why athletes have chronic pain when they are older, and football players sometimes experience symptoms of brain damage when older.
Gymnasts are short.
Look at Muhammad Ali.
Bruce Lee died young too even though he was so fit.
First of all I fixed your offensive language...second of all those are irrelevant points.
- Gymnasts are short because only the best of the best make it to the big stage and that includes having the genetic factors necessary to be the best. i.e. short and lean.
- Muhammad Ali's brain injury was caused by head trauma from a contact sport.
- Bruce Lee died of cerebral edema.
None of these are related AT ALL to heart rate. Did you even read the post?0 -
When everything becomes to stressful, remember that it will all be over when you're dead.
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