A Question For those who have been on MFP for more than 1 yr
Jena_72
Posts: 1,057
I have had this on my mind for a while.... I have seen so many great inspirational folks on here who have lost sooooo much weight and have changed their lives! Some are still losing some are maintaining. For those Maintaining I would like to say THANK YOU for sticking around here and sharing your story and knowledge with all of us.:flowerforyou: Your support is vital to me on this awesome website and close knit community! You show us your before and after pictures, some of which I know at one time in your life were probably a very painful thing to see, again I Thank You! You offer advice to those who ask you. You add new friends and probably repeat yourselves quite a bit again thank you. You are the glue that holds this place together!:drinker: You show everyday people that ANYONE really can do this. You show us you don't have to be on a weight loss show to lose a drastic amount of weight. That TRANSFORMATIONS happen to regular people just like me!
NOW MY QUESTION.......
Do you ever look at a new MFP member and think SHE/HE IS GOING TO GET THERE!! Is there something about what someone says or does that tells you they have IT. They have the salt or grit to make it! Something that stands out to you that shows that the determination in a person is real and it is only a matter of time until the reach their goals?? I hope you get what I am trying to say. You are the veterans around here and when you see a rookie just getting their first 10 or 20 lbs off do you say to yourself about some, I HOPE they continue where others you sayOH! THEY WILL MAKE IT!! They got what it takes.If YES do you friend request some of those people to follow their journey?? I was just really curious about this. :bigsmile:
Looking forward to your responses as always..... you guys and gals are more inspiring than you know!!
P.S.
If your answer is yes well you should probably get that friend request to ME!! I for one can't wait to have before and after pictures like yours!! And I WILL have them!!:happy: :laugh:
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
Jena
9 weeks with MFP
NOW MY QUESTION.......
Do you ever look at a new MFP member and think SHE/HE IS GOING TO GET THERE!! Is there something about what someone says or does that tells you they have IT. They have the salt or grit to make it! Something that stands out to you that shows that the determination in a person is real and it is only a matter of time until the reach their goals?? I hope you get what I am trying to say. You are the veterans around here and when you see a rookie just getting their first 10 or 20 lbs off do you say to yourself about some, I HOPE they continue where others you sayOH! THEY WILL MAKE IT!! They got what it takes.If YES do you friend request some of those people to follow their journey?? I was just really curious about this. :bigsmile:
Looking forward to your responses as always..... you guys and gals are more inspiring than you know!!
P.S.
If your answer is yes well you should probably get that friend request to ME!! I for one can't wait to have before and after pictures like yours!! And I WILL have them!!:happy: :laugh:
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
Jena
9 weeks with MFP
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every one is different, and as great as this site is, it is only a tool to help keep track, which in turns, hopeuflly will keep the motivation going.
Bottom line is, you either want it or you don't. No site will magically make you lose, only you can by following the plan.0 -
I know this is for the veterans ... And the only reason I sneaked in was to DOUBLE DITTO!! MrsJ! :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou:
I'd love to have a few veteran friends to get advice from too, :bigsmile: and you ladies and gentlemen are the reason this site holds together!!0 -
Great message and question, you have raised my curiosity! I am very new to MFP, and I am so glad I found this community!0
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I've been on this sight for over six months now. I try not to judge people, but sometimes I wonder if people that have a general, overall negative attitude that they won't make it. I'm not talking about someone who is negative at that moment because they might have gained a pound or two. I'm talking about the overall tone of what a person writes. Attitude has everything to do with a person's journey. This sight helps us to see that someone fat like me can do it, so I know I can do it. Reading inspiring stories on here is so motivating to me! I don't think my husband and I could have done as well as we have without this website. It made us truly see what we are putting in our mouths. Who would have thought I could put 4,000 calories in my body at one meal? It has absolutely opened our eyes and do it right.
As for friending, I once friended someone and when I would lose weight, that person would cheer me on. I kinda freaked and cancelled the friending. I think that is just me, but I don't even friend my husband, whom I share everything (including how much I actually weigh).
Good luck on your journey and I hope you continue to keep a positive attitude to make sure your journey is successful.:drinker:0 -
I haven't been here a year but I have lost a large amount of weight (with a long way to go) and have seen a lot of people come and go on this site. I've seen more people quit then those who stick it out month after month, but it seems to be easier to spot those who will not make it. The "red flags" I often see for those that (99% of the time) end up giving up usually do one or more of these things:
-they get WAY too hard on themselves when they "mess up" - ie when they go over calories, eat too much cake, miss a day of exercise, etc and act like they've committed a major crime or that they've gone and "ruined everything"
-they eat a LOT of junk food and almost always go over calorie goals, day after day after day
-are excessively negative about themselves and even when they've achieved so much (like eating WAY healthier than they used to) they seem to only see the bad
-they go from eating 3000+ calories a day to trying to live off of 900 calories or less a day
-they push themselves too hard too fast, trying to look at this journey like a sprint instead of the marathon that it is
-can only see this as a temporary thing, a "diet" that they will some day "get off of" once they reach a magical number on the scale, forgetting that for lasting weight loss it has to become a lifestyle change and that even when goal weight is reached they will have to be vigilant with what they eat and how much they exercise for the rest of their lives. Maintenance is a commitment that means being active and eating healthy for life.
-are going to very unhealthy measures to lose the weight, forgetting that what they do to lose the weight is something they will need to do for life in order to keep it off
Now I'm not saying that EVERYONE that does one or more of these things will end up quitting, but they are definitely red flags.
The ones that I've seen stick around month after month are the ones with positive attitudes, the ones who know this is a lifelong journey, the ones that take the good with the bad and give themselves credit for their achievements, and the ones who are going about losing weight in a healthy and sustainable manner.
I hope that helps or answers your question. Sorry for being so long winded. lol
*hugs*
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hmmmmmmmmmmm:indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent:
i'm sure u would call me an MFP oldie.
but i'm no success.
i once thought i was though!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
back in 6-2009, i got w/in 5lbs of my goal and i was on top of the world!:bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile: (bikini pic in profile!!!:bigsmile: :bigsmile: )
but i've gained 10-15 lbs since then!:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
i still work out almost every fricken day and i am careful w/ my foods, but ..............::grumble: :grumble: :grumble:
i can not answer your question. perhapps i should not even have written in your thread. i too am in awe of the sucess people you talk of!0 -
I haven't been here for OVER a year. Just under actually. I started out the week before Thanksgiving last year, so 10 months on here. Wow, kinda funny that I might be considered a veteran or someone that could inspire and cheer on others. But I do admit I've learned A LOT from my time on here, the uphill struggles of weight loss especially when LIFE hits ya, and my own research on all of it. I do like to look at some newbies and spread some of what I've learned, especially since there have been many times I felt like I was a failure, I'm never gonna make it through this, I suck. LOL. I have to agree with sjd2010, there are some people that annoy me because they won't listen to advice, just bemoan their situation. But I'm the type of person to not say anything if it's not nice. I also don't visit the chats as much or reply to newsfeeds , as I'm so busy trying to stay active and keep up with my kids. I'll often just jump on for a moment to log my foods or plan my meals out, then I'm off. This is a choice, and just like life there will be ups and downs on the journey, but it still feels so good to come back after a meal, a day, or a week of being lazy or not eating right and jump right back into it. So if I can help anyone out, I'm happy to struggle through right alongside any of you.0
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thank you. it makes me feel good that newbies notice some of us stick around for encouragment.
My friend group is filled with positive thinking losers, so I will say yes the ppl I respond to I see something in what they are saying that tells me they will stick with it!
I am back into losing again now that my heart has healed (had mini stoke, then heart sx) so I need encouragment too!!
Good luck!:flowerforyou: Jeannie0 -
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good points stacy.
some of your words sound like u r talking about me.
-they get WAY too hard on themselves when they "mess up" - ie when they go over calories, eat too much cake, miss a day of exercise, etc and act like they've committed a major crime or that they've gone and "ruined everything"
-are excessively negative about themselves and even when they've achieved so much (like eating WAY healthier than they used to) they seem to only see the bad
-they push themselves too hard too fast, trying to look at this journey like a sprint instead of the marathon that it is
-can only see this as a temporary thing, a "diet" that they will some day "get off of" once they reach a magical number on the scale, forgetting that for lasting weight loss it has to become a lifestyle change and that even when goal weight is reached they will have to be vigilant with what they eat and how much they exercise for the rest of their lives. Maintenance is a commitment that means being active and eating healthy for life.0 -
hmmmmmmmmmmm:indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent:
i'm sure u would call me an MFP oldie.
but i'm no success.
i once thought i was though!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
back in 6-2009, i got w/in 5lbs of my goal and i was on top of the world!:bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile: (bikini pic in profile!!!:bigsmile: :bigsmile: )
but i've gained 10-15 lbs since then!:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
i still work out almost every fricken day and i am careful w/ my foods, but ..............::grumble: :grumble: :grumble:
i can not answer your question. perhapps i should not even have written in your thread. i too am in awe of the sucess people you talk of!
My little Oregon friend, will you please share with the class the amount of weight you DID lose please?? Thankyouverymuch!!
You ARE a success..........so you backslid a bit, so did I and I am DEF a success!!
You can I can lose that last 20 together!!
Your beautiful!0 -
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good points stacy.
some of your words sound like u r talking about me.
-they get WAY too hard on themselves when they "mess up" - ie when they go over calories, eat too much cake, miss a day of exercise, etc and act like they've committed a major crime or that they've gone and "ruined everything"
-are excessively negative about themselves and even when they've achieved so much (like eating WAY healthier than they used to) they seem to only see the bad
-they push themselves too hard too fast, trying to look at this journey like a sprint instead of the marathon that it is
-can only see this as a temporary thing, a "diet" that they will some day "get off of" once they reach a magical number on the scale, forgetting that for lasting weight loss it has to become a lifestyle change and that even when goal weight is reached they will have to be vigilant with what they eat and how much they exercise for the rest of their lives. Maintenance is a commitment that means being active and eating healthy for life.
Awww, I hope I didn't offend anyone. It's just what I have seen that seems to be most common with the "quitters". But people can always change. Because truth be told I was once one of those people I described, years ago, that's who I was. Not so today, not so anymore. Every day, every minute, is an opportunity to totally reinvent ourselves and to leave our old ways behind. I haven't been that negative woman in years, nor do I plan on being her ever again! *hugs*0 -
Bumping so I don't forget to reply later – when I'm not completely, totally exhausted.0
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My date lies - I've been here and on track since mid-late January.
I think Stacy is 100% right. But I'd say the winners are the tortoises and the losers are the hares. I've been here 9 months and lost about 40 pounds. But it's in a lifestyle that I can ABSOLUTELY maintain. Forever. Happily. Without craving. Because frankly, when I'm craving something, I have it. But I have a teeeeny tiny bit of it, or I modify it to be much healthier.
I've started reading ingredients, cleaning my house more, and finding interesting ways to add more and more activity into my life. And let me tell you what, my dogs and my husband love me for it :happy: And I love myself for it!!
So how do you know you're sticking? You've made peace with your faults, accepted them, love yourself, and you're just pushing to be a little bit better. And you do it with patience (and sometimes a little grace ... maybe )0 -
My date lies - I've been here and on track since mid-late January.
I think Stacy is 100% right. But I'd say the winners are the tortoises and the losers are the hares. I've been here 9 months and lost about 40 pounds. But it's in a lifestyle that I can ABSOLUTELY maintain. Forever. Happily. Without craving. Because frankly, when I'm craving something, I have it. But I have a teeeeny tiny bit of it, or I modify it to be much healthier.
I've started reading ingredients, cleaning my house more, and finding interesting ways to add more and more activity into my life. And let me tell you what, my dogs and my husband love me for it :happy: And I love myself for it!!
So how do you know you're sticking? You've made peace with your faults, accepted them, love yourself, and you're just pushing to be a little bit better. And you do it with patience (and sometimes a little grace ... maybe )
OMG can I hug you??? You just reminded me of so VERY much!! I just rebooted or did a Uturn as Tweeber referred to last year. Feels good to be back in the saddle agin!0 -
What an excellent post!
I would say some of the people who I just "know" are going to succeed are the people that are here every day. Receiving support from others and giving it as well.
Fitness & health become part of who you are after a while & if you let it become part of who you are, change isn't far behind!
Thanks again for the wonderful topic!
-Chancy0 -
I also joined way before June, but changed my name in June...I think that's why it's showing the incorrect date *shrugs shoulders*0
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What StacySkinny wrote makes all of the sense in the world. Steady with persistence, we can't beat ourselves up when we fall back into an old habit, and we need to make this work in the long run and not overdo skimping on nutrition or killing ourselves to the point of injury with exercise. I really liked what you wrote. I've been here for six weeks and I think I can keep doing what I'm doing so far. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I must sleep now, but I'm curious to read the rest of the comments to your question, which is a great one to ask!0
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Thank You All So Much!! Bumping to see who else takes the stage! You are all so awesome! I guess I pick great 'loser' friends as I already have a few of you as friends! :flowerforyou: You are all helping me so much, I will be happy to help people in the same way NEXT YEAR:drinker: :bigsmile: :smooched:0
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My date lies - I've been here and on track since mid-late January.
I think Stacy is 100% right. But I'd say the winners are the tortoises and the losers are the hares. I've been here 9 months and lost about 40 pounds. But it's in a lifestyle that I can ABSOLUTELY maintain. Forever. Happily. Without craving. Because frankly, when I'm craving something, I have it. But I have a teeeeny tiny bit of it, or I modify it to be much healthier.
I've started reading ingredients, cleaning my house more, and finding interesting ways to add more and more activity into my life. And let me tell you what, my dogs and my husband love me for it :happy: And I love myself for it!!
So how do you know you're sticking? You've made peace with your faults, accepted them, love yourself, and you're just pushing to be a little bit better. And you do it with patience (and sometimes a little grace ... maybe )
This pretty much sums up my experience here. I wanted to cook healthier for my family but I still eat out, fast food even, but in moderation. I think that is a big key, being able to do it in moderation. I always try to tell myself when I want more to eat, the next meal isnt so far away and just wait and look forward to it.
I try to find ways now to exercise more. Walking the dog more, taking the kids with me to walk the dog and get them involved in exercise. I am worried about them as well with getting enough activity daily. I figure the more I do, the more I can eat a little bit more but if I go over, as I did today, tomorrow I will do better and not go over.
I think if you never give yourself some treats, as I did today eating ice cream cake for my son's b-day, and consider yourself being deprived, you will probably eventually cave in and may get way off track.
hope this helps, kind of tired right now and may sound scattered-brained.0 -
I am loving reading this thread. I have only been on MFP for about 4 1/2 months but I fully plan on being here and still losing at the year mark and beyond. I just wanted to chime in and say thanks to all of you who have been here a while too. It is so inspiring to me to see someone who has stayed with MFP over time, lost weight a little at a time and in a healthy way, and is now encouraging those of us who are closer to the beginning of our journey. It is seeing all of you and remembering that if I am not inching ahead that I will start regaining weight (again) that helps me keep going on the tough days and discouraging days. Thanks so much!0
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I've not been here that long, but can already 'see' the keepers and quitters. Myself included!!
I totally agree with Stacey. The only thing I would add to the quitter list is the excuses! You know, I had a bad day because <..................> instead of just putting it down to life and getting back on the wagon, the day turns into a week and then they are gone.
I know that if I have a bad day then I mostly want to!! :bigsmile: That is, it's a planned 'cheat' day (call it what you will) and soon as its over, I'm back in the lifestyle. I cut myself some slack. I don't think that 100% commitment is necessary. I live the 80/20 rule :bigsmile:
I KNOW that if that day turns into 2 or 3 or 4, then, I'm going to be falling off the wagon!! I've done it so many times. The negative attitude is "I've blown it, I'm giving up now". But this time, I dont have that thought at all!
So, my answer is: live life!! Don't worry about a cheat day! Live it and get back to healthy living after. You dont need excuses to live your life!! You just need to stick to your goal and realise that it's a LONG TERM goal. There is NO quick fix. All us yo-yo dieters actually know that!! So the idea of MFP is to incorporate life into your goal and your goal into your life. :drinker:
Never give up! Slow and steady wins the race :flowerforyou:0 -
I totally agree with Stacey. The only thing I would add to the quitter list is the excuses!
The people I expect to be successful are the ones who take ownership of the process and don't see themselves as victims. Sadly, it's easier to spot those who are likely to fail. Red flags to me are when someone says something like "Please motivate me" or "My husband [or mom, or roommate, or whatever] brought home some doughnuts [or chips, or cookies, or whatever], and I couldn't resist." Another red flag is someone who proclaims frequently, "I'm back on track again." If you get back on track over and over again, it means you're getting OFF track over and over again.
The successful losers are the ones who are completely honest with themselves, who don't try to do too much too fast, and who honor the commitments they make to themselves as well as they those they make to others. I believe people would make better choices if it was the health of their loved ones that was at stake, so why give in to temptation when it's your health that's at stake?0 -
I totally agree with Stacey. The only thing I would add to the quitter list is the excuses!
The people I expect to be successful are the ones who take ownership of the process and don't see themselves as victims. Sadly, it's easier to spot those who are likely to fail. Red flags to me are when someone says something like "Please motivate me" or "My husband [or mom, or roommate, or whatever] brought home some doughnuts [or chips, or cookies, or whatever], and I couldn't resist." Another red flag is someone who proclaims frequently, "I'm back on track again." If you get back on track over and over again, it means you're getting OFF track over and over again.
The successful losers are the ones who are completely honest with themselves, who don't try to do too much too fast, and who honor the commitments they make to themselves as well as they those they make to others. I believe people would make better choices if it was the health of their loved ones that was at stake, so why give in to temptation when it's your health that's at stake?0 -
mrsjbarnes, I really love this thread and am very glad you started it. It really got me thinking about what it takes to "make it" and even inspired me to write a blog about it. Thanks for putting the question out there that really makes us all think and evaluate where we are in our journey! *hugs*0
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I would love more input from our MFP Vets!! Thanks Again to those of you that replied!! :flowerforyou:0 -
I started in Jan 08, and was down over 20lbs when my daughter was diagnosed with leukemia in April of 08. Totally lost my head, the only thing that mattered was her and getting her well. I tried halfheartedly a few times to lose the weight while she was going through her 2 1/2 years of treatment, but was never fully committed so continually gave up. In all, I put on the 20 I lost, plus 10ish more, I forget the exact amount.
I got semi-serious again last July, but then my Dad was diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer at the age of 55 (he's still going strong, but will not live to see his 70s... we're praying he sees part of his 60s and for a cure!), so that shot that attempt out the door.
Finally at the end April of this year I thought, what am I doing to myself? I can't help my daughter or my Dad if I'm an overweight mess (and the stressed out "strong one" of the family... I was thisclose to punching the next person that said that to me after my Dad was diagnosed "Oh, you'll get your sister and everyone through this because you're the strong one." *insert scream here*), so I completely and utterly recommitted myself to getting ME healthy. Which is a bonus, because after my daughter finished her chemo, they told us that she has even more of a chance to be obese because of the steroids she had to take, and her father's side of the family are all obese. I hope that if she pays as close attention to me as I know she has been, she'll see that even though her Mom is "old" (haha, I'm only 35) and can get healthy, that it won't be much of a stretch to keep herself healthy too.
As a bonus, my husband joined this site in May or June and has now lost 40lbs and is about halfway to his goal weight, and avoiding diabetes too!0 -
hmmmmmmmmmmm:indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent:
i'm sure u would call me an MFP oldie.
but i'm no success.
i once thought i was though!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
back in 6-2009, i got w/in 5lbs of my goal and i was on top of the world!:bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile: (bikini pic in profile!!!:bigsmile: :bigsmile: )
but i've gained 10-15 lbs since then!:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
i still work out almost every fricken day and i am careful w/ my foods, but ..............::grumble: :grumble: :grumble:
i can not answer your question. perhapps i should not even have written in your thread. i too am in awe of the sucess people you talk of!
I just LOVE this post! I'm gonna keep it!!!0 -
The honesty of the posts on this thread is what I like best about MFP and it's the honesty that makes the difference between success and not-success.0
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I started in Jan 08, and was down over 20lbs when my daughter was diagnosed with leukemia in April of 08. Totally lost my head, the only thing that mattered was her and getting her well. I tried halfheartedly a few times to lose the weight while she was going through her 2 1/2 years of treatment, but was never fully committed so continually gave up. In all, I put on the 20 I lost, plus 10ish more, I forget the exact amount.
I got semi-serious again last July, but then my Dad was diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer at the age of 55 (he's still going strong, but will not live to see his 70s... we're praying he sees part of his 60s and for a cure!), so that shot that attempt out the door.
Finally at the end April of this year I thought, what am I doing to myself? I can't help my daughter or my Dad if I'm an overweight mess (and the stressed out "strong one" of the family... I was thisclose to punching the next person that said that to me after my Dad was diagnosed "Oh, you'll get your sister and everyone through this because you're the strong one." *insert scream here*), so I completely and utterly recommitted myself to getting ME healthy. Which is a bonus, because after my daughter finished her chemo, they told us that she has even more of a chance to be obese because of the steroids she had to take, and her father's side of the family are all obese. I hope that if she pays as close attention to me as I know she has been, she'll see that even though her Mom is "old" (haha, I'm only 35) and can get healthy, that it won't be much of a stretch to keep herself healthy too.
As a bonus, my husband joined this site in May or June and has now lost 40lbs and is about halfway to his goal weight, and avoiding diabetes too!
Wow, girl your post really touched my heart! I love that despite what you've gone through (and continue to go through) you've decided to put yourself on the list. You're totally right, you can't do anything for other people if your own health starts to decline. Eating healthy and exercising regularly is going to assure you're in tip-top shape to deal with whatever life has to offer - the good and the bad.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. You're such a sweet heart! Your daughter and dad (and you) are in my prayers! *big hugs*0 -
I started in Jan 08, and was down over 20lbs when my daughter was diagnosed with leukemia in April of 08. Totally lost my head, the only thing that mattered was her and getting her well. I tried halfheartedly a few times to lose the weight while she was going through her 2 1/2 years of treatment, but was never fully committed so continually gave up. In all, I put on the 20 I lost, plus 10ish more, I forget the exact amount.
I got semi-serious again last July, but then my Dad was diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer at the age of 55 (he's still going strong, but will not live to see his 70s... we're praying he sees part of his 60s and for a cure!), so that shot that attempt out the door.
Finally at the end April of this year I thought, what am I doing to myself? I can't help my daughter or my Dad if I'm an overweight mess (and the stressed out "strong one" of the family... I was thisclose to punching the next person that said that to me after my Dad was diagnosed "Oh, you'll get your sister and everyone through this because you're the strong one." *insert scream here*), so I completely and utterly recommitted myself to getting ME healthy. Which is a bonus, because after my daughter finished her chemo, they told us that she has even more of a chance to be obese because of the steroids she had to take, and her father's side of the family are all obese. I hope that if she pays as close attention to me as I know she has been, she'll see that even though her Mom is "old" (haha, I'm only 35) and can get healthy, that it won't be much of a stretch to keep herself healthy too.
As a bonus, my husband joined this site in May or June and has now lost 40lbs and is about halfway to his goal weight, and avoiding diabetes too!
Thank You Clarissa.
May God continue you Bless you with the strength so many depend on.
As a mother of 3 daughters, your story hits very close to my heart. I can't imagine cancer in my child. And like Stacy said for you to still know you have to put yourself on the list after all that, speaks volumes to me. I have let things keep me down to long and when I hear a story like yours and still see you continue on your OWN journey, while accompining others on theirs. I feel I have no right NOT to GET UP. I am so glad to have met you and even more glad I thought to post this thread, thank you so, so much for sharing your story.
My oldest daughter is a Type 1 diabetic diagnosed when the was 12(she's 15 now). She is insulin dependant, and manages her diabetes on her own for the most part. Having a diabetic TEEN is really hard sometimes. But I know I have to teach her to stay active, by being active. She doesn't have a weight problem but the thing is, she can't afford to have one either. And neither can I as I have had Gestational Diabetes twice, and that alone puts me at a higher risk for diabetes.
So this is me putting me on the list um I mean at the top of the list.0
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