Fork over Knives

brizzeem

I watched fork over knives on netflix last night. Anybody else watch it and what are you're thoughts? I'll NEVER be a vegetarian........I would keep meat in my diet but the correct serving size (such as 4, 6, and 8 oz). Now regarding protein, they said 20% of animal based protein which includes dairy based protein in your diet can lead to cancer but not vegetable based protein. This concerns me because the protein sources I'm using is all meat and dairy based (mainly dairy). Also with the addition of eating meat leads to cardiovascular issues since meat has high levels of cholesterol. Again I'll NEVER turn vegan but I hopefully these levels remain low with the serving sizes being correct and not your typical American 1 lb burgers everyday.....

What do you guys think?

brizzeem

sunday morning BUMP

BigGuy47

If I don't go vegan I'll die, that's the basic premise of the film. Correct?

I'll pass on the propaganda and have a double cheeseburger instead.

LoupGarouTFTs

If I don't go vegan I'll die, that's the basic premise of the film. Correct?

I'll pass on the propaganda and have a double cheeseburger instead.

Precisely. Propaganda and hysteria. The China Study has long since been shot down.

shegrif

I watched it. I don't think we all have to become vegetarians to avoid death by cancer.
The human race would have gone extinct years ago if it were that bad.
Becoming vegetarian is good for those who really want to make that choice.
As for the rest of us, we just need to be balanced and use moderation.
We can always strive for healthier diets without going to extremes.

LoupGarouTFTs

I watched it. I don't think we all have to become vegetarians to avoid death by cancer.
The human race would have gone extinct years ago if it were that bad.
Becoming vegetarian is good for those who really want to make that choice.
As for the rest of us, we just need to be balanced and use moderation.
We can always strive for healthier diets without going to extremes.

The reason we are seeing more incidence of cancer is not directly due to our diet, but due to our longevity.

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Sunbrooke

I try to minimize my consumption of animal protein. I have been cutting back for years, and now I have it only a few times a week. I honestly don't miss it because I've just added a lot more beans and vegetables to my diet. If you want to cut back, start by having it only for dinner and then adding in more vegetarian dinners too. If you cook meat, add it into a soup, chili, or stir fry, where a little will go a long way. Experiment with other toppings for salads and other things to put in wraps.

LoupGarouTFTs

I try to minimize my consumption of animal protein. I have been cutting back for years, and now I have it only a few times a week. I honestly don't miss it because I've just added a lot more beans and vegetables to my diet. If you want to cut back, start by having it only for dinner and then adding in more vegetarian dinners too. If you cook meat, add it into a soup, chili, or stir fry, where a little will go a long way. Experiment with other toppings for salads and other things to put in wraps.

Or just eat what you like and don't worry about what's on someone else's plate.

Kara52217

Watched it 18 months or so ago... Hubby immediately went PLANT BASED and is down 30lbs and off ALL meds he was on prior to switching his diet. He was on 5 meds before this.

He went into it thinking he would try it for a month and see what happens. Yea that was 18 months ago.

randilyn0923

I definitely think everything in moderation can be okay, including meat and dairy. However, before I even saw this documentary I was on a 30 day plant-based diet (just to try it out) and it's 2 months later and I'm still doing it. All I can say is I've never felt so good. I'm more energetic and feel great. My husband has even noticed that I seem happier and not so tired all the time. That's huge for me! So I wouldn't try something like this because people tell you you're gonna die if you don't, but might as well give 30 days a shot and see for yourself how you feel. : )

LoupGarouTFTs

That's nice. It's still not an appropriate diet for everyone.

sebj93

I thought it was a great film, I watched it after 2 weeks of eating animal products, lazing around and gaining weight. It was the first step to my turning Vegan!

It is by far a non-complete resource, I mean you have to do your own research and decide what you believe is best for you. However it removed the negative connotations I associated with vegetarianism/veganism.

Make your own educated decisions and I'm sure you'll do just fine!

Sinisterly

I need my meats, sorry. Nope.

acsbeck

I don't believe that eating meat will cause cancer. I find that a lot of the food documentaries on Netflix really push a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle, so I take all of it with a grain of salt.

That said, it's pretty easy to cut the amount of protein from animal sources. My husband and I started doing that years ago for financial reasons but have continued for health reasons (he has to watch his cholesterol). I typically halve the amount of meat in a recipe and add a plant-based protein source instead. It's especially easy to do with ground beef, because quinoa and lentils are a great filler. It even works in hamburgers!

krawhitham

You know what else has been proven to cause cancer? Take a look:

Automobiles
Exhaust
Home cleaning products including laundry detergent
Emotional distress / stress
Nail polish remover
Hair coloring chemicals
Colognes and perfumes
Radiation (the same radiation they TREAT cancer with)
Certain Plastic food or water containers
LACK OF EXERCISE / BEING OVERFAT
And the list goes on, and on, and on...

Sorry, I'm not going to live my life trying to avoid things that "have been proven to cause" cancer... If I get it I get it, I'm gonna live my life healthy and happy and stress-free and frankly, I don't care.

Noogynoogs

I went Vegetarian after watching this. Tried Vegan for a few months but found it hard. I have gone back to being Veggie. The documentary Earthlings convinced me to go Vegetarian.

tennisdude2004

As long as I can eat mainly meat in my diet I'll happily go vegetarian!

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chloematilds

this much talk about food but almost no one talks about the increase in.convenience and decrease in non exercise activities.

You know what else has been proven to cause cancer? Take a look:

Automobiles
Exhaust
Home cleaning products including laundry detergent
Emotional distress / stress
Nail polish remover
Hair coloring chemicals
Colognes and perfumes
Radiation (the same radiation they TREAT cancer with)
Certain Plastic food or water containers
LACK OF EXERCISE / BEING OVERFAT
And the list goes on, and on, and on...

Sorry, I'm not going to live my life trying to avoid things that "have been proven to cause" cancer... If I get it I get it, I'm gonna live my life healthy and happy and stress-free and frankly, I don't care.

BlackEyedPanda

I don't believe that eating meat will cause cancer.

Well the good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not. High meat consumption DOES increase your risk of cancer, heart-disease, dementia, bowel problems, type II diabetes, obesity and so on. You can keep meat in your diet and still be healthy but you can also be a smoker and be healthy. These are statistically possible but why increase your risk? I am not saying 'don't eat meat at all or you'll die' - but I am saying - don't eat meat daily or you significantly increase your risk of developing some of the top health problems today.

LoupGarouTFTs

I find it difficult to understand why people want to change their lives based on films made by people with a domestic animal extinction agenda. It boggles the mind.

LoupGarouTFTs

I don't believe that eating meat will cause cancer.

Well the good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not. High meat consumption DOES increase your risk of cancer, heart-disease, dementia, bowel problems, type II diabetes, obesity and so on. You can keep meat in your diet and still be healthy but you can also be a smoker and be healthy. These are statistically possible but why increase your risk? I am not saying 'don't eat meat at all or you'll die' - but I am saying - don't eat meat daily or you significantly increase your risk of developing some of the top health problems today.

Prove it. Unbiased science has yet to do so.

BlackEyedPanda

You know what else has been proven to cause cancer? Take a look:

Automobiles
Exhaust
Home cleaning products including laundry detergent
Emotional distress / stress
Nail polish remover
Hair coloring chemicals
Colognes and perfumes
Radiation (the same radiation they TREAT cancer with)
Certain Plastic food or water containers
LACK OF EXERCISE / BEING OVERFAT
And the list goes on, and on, and on...

Sorry, I'm not going to live my life trying to avoid things that "have been proven to cause" cancer... If I get it I get it, I'm gonna live my life healthy and happy and stress-free and frankly, I don't care.

Some of these put you at greater risk than others. You can choose to be stupid about it or you can look at the evidence.


Smoking causes cancer - we all know that - but we don't go shouting 'WELL ALL THESE OTHER THINGS DO TO' and ignore it from there because we know effect sizes matter. Extended exposure to hair colouring chemicals (depending on how you dye your hair) probably can cause alterations in cell health causing a minutely increased risk of cancer - it won't increase it much. Being obese and eating high amounts of meat isn't comparable to that because the evidence that these two factors are detrimental to our health is so compelling. Sure, you may be obese and eat five portions of meat every day and never get cancer but if you do get bowel cancer you are far more likely to be obese or/and a meat-eater than fit or/and vegan.

SaintGiff

I stop paying attention the minute someone says "X will give you cancer".

QueenBishOTUniverse

I don't believe that eating meat will cause cancer.

Well the good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not. High meat consumption DOES increase your risk of cancer, heart-disease, dementia, bowel problems, type II diabetes, obesity and so on. You can keep meat in your diet and still be healthy but you can also be a smoker and be healthy. These are statistically possible but why increase your risk? I am not saying 'don't eat meat at all or you'll die' - but I am saying - don't eat meat daily or you significantly increase your risk of developing some of the top health problems today.

Prove it. Unbiased science has yet to do so.

Seriously, you want to make THAT claim, you'd better post the link to a publication from a peer reviewed journal to back it up. Don't worry, we'll wait.

LoupGarouTFTs

Sure, you may be obese and eat five portions of meat every day and never get cancer but if you do get bowel cancer you are far more likely to be obese or/and a meat-eater than fit or/and vegan.

The science please? Not from PCRM or related sources?

BlackEyedPanda

I don't believe that eating meat will cause cancer.

Well the good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not. High meat consumption DOES increase your risk of cancer, heart-disease, dementia, bowel problems, type II diabetes, obesity and so on. You can keep meat in your diet and still be healthy but you can also be a smoker and be healthy. These are statistically possible but why increase your risk? I am not saying 'don't eat meat at all or you'll die' - but I am saying - don't eat meat daily or you significantly increase your risk of developing some of the top health problems today.

Prove it. Unbiased science has yet to do so.

Sorry I have no intention on doing your google search for you but there are some good, peer-reviewed studies looking at lifestyle factors associated with different illness that you can find on google scholar or on PubMed. The China Study is the most well-known but methodologically poor. There are a number of studies out there that look at large samples of people affected by cancer, dementia etc and compare them to healthy population in terms of lifestyle factors. I suggest you do your own literature research and decide for yourself what evidence you want to believe in. I am a scientist and I certainly have made my mind - I don't work in nutrition but I can evaluate the quality or research articles and having done so I don't agree that these studies are biased.

Having a serving of meat every two days probably doesn't increase your risk of these disease on any level whatsoever but eating meat on every meal certainly does.

BlackEyedPanda

I'd love to spend the whole day posting you links but I am sure we are all more than capable of finding these papers if we are interested and right now I don't have the time to compensate for your laziness.

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LoupGarouTFTs

I'd love to spend the whole day posting you links but I am sure we are all more than capable of finding these papers if we are interested and right now I don't have the time to compensate for your laziness.

*shrugs* I already know what's there. However, your ad hominem attack tells me all I need to know.

For your edification. Please, if you're looking at Forks over Knives for the first time, read a bit more before making life-changing decisions.

http://anthonycolpo.com/forks-over-knives-the-latest-vegan-nonsense-dissected-debunked-and-destroyed/

http://rawfoodsos.com/the-china-study/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TboCgUmgQYQ