Checking My Privilege: Character as the Basis of Privilege

embrace_the_dark_side

Furthermore, the physical tests they have to overcome to get combat roles will be gender neutral.

Furthermore, given that most of our military activities are less strength driven and more technology and mechanically driven, the "biological gap" between the two is increasingly irrelevant.

But... tell me more about how women (many of whom have signed up very quickly) for the exact jobs you claim they don't want to do is a sign of the double standard and of "white female privilege."

Really? Show me how and where they are signing up quickly to combat positions? I was actually in the military and just got out last year, so between the two of us I am the subject matter expert on the military. And as far as the rape goes, rape is a very difficult thing to prove, seeing as many times the accused will admit to intercourse but claim it as being consensual and rape semen doesn't look any different than consensual semen. And actually more males are raped in the military than females. And trying to talk about the frequency of rape in the military would be like talking about the frequency of rape in say New York city. It becomes more prevalent when you are living in the same complexes and are working in the same area and essentially together for long periods of time. And actually the female pt standards are very much lowered for women and I have never agreed with that. Hell an average enlisted female doesn't have any less of a chance of doing well on the male standard of the pt test as a sedentary enlisted male straight out of high school. It needs to be 1 standard especially if women want to be equals.

Um... women have been signing up (and passing) the United States Marine Corps School of Infantry course since 2013... in fact, despite passing these physical tests as well as or better than their male peers, they were denied the right to get the same opportunities for combat leadership positions.

Furthermore, the military hasn't even opened up the MOS's to female candidates so its impossible to get actual placement numbers... the best we can do is see how many are signing up for jobs DESPITE being told that even if they do well, they will be denied the job.

P.S. Why don't you blame the rape victim some more.

BraveNewdGirl

Ahhh men, can't live with 'em...

That's not fair either! I want to live with them! I legitimately like a great many of them. I just don't want to be a second-class citizen!

joel3736

Without commenting on the merits of the post, I must ask:

What equal rights did he purport to deny?

There are so many problematic statements in his post(s) that it's difficult to know where to begin, but I guess I can start with his claim that white males don't experience any more privilege than white females. That's absolutely ludicrous. His ability to discount wage gap statistics, sexual assault statistics, and come up with completely absurd conjecture about women falsely reporting rapes and refusing to settle the bill on a date all contribute to the patriarchal society that we live in. Attitudes like his are used to propagate misinformation and justify atrocities committed against women on a daily basis. It is exhausting to try to refute the asinine and often disgusting statements made by MRAs like him, so yes, sometimes defaulting to the Privilege Denying Dude meme is all I have the energy to respond with.

Well actually I am not an MRA, I just hate being scrutinized for being born a male. And the wage gap thing is a myth that has long since been debunked. If you want to make more money work more hours (men on average work 2-4 more hours weekly than women), don't take sick leave or maternity leave (women take more sick leave than men and are more likely to take maternity leave than men are to take paternity leave), choose the SAME career field where the money is (men generally major in careers in science or math which pay more generally than the communication and arts fields that women generally major in (these are generalities and there are exceptions)), oh and how about asking for a raise? Men generally are more likely to ask or even demand a raise than women are. Sexual assault and rape "statistics" conveniently omit any and all female on male rape instances because of course in order to be a rapist, you must have a penis. And feminists continue to come back with made up stats like 1 in 4 women being rape. Are you kidding? Use common sense, do you really believe that for every 3 women you see, there is a 4th that has or will be raped in her lifetime? I'm sorry I live in the realm of reality. And if you want to talk about rights, talk about those of civil rights that have long since been fought for and are continuing to be fought for. My great uncle was one of the guys to help get the Evanston, IL chapter of the NAACP started, because he and other blacks of the time had real problems and were truly oppressed.

snazzyjazzy21

Ahhh men, can't live with 'em...

That's not fair either! I want to live with them! I legitimately like a great many of them. I just don't want to be a second-class citizen!

Na I get ya. I like many men, just not the ignorant ones.

BraveNewdGirl

Well actually I am not an MRA, I just hate being scrutinized for being born a male. And the wage gap thing is a myth that has long since been debunked. If you want to make more money work more hours (men on average work 2-4 more hours weekly than women), don't take sick leave or maternity leave (women take more sick leave than men and are more likely to take maternity leave than men are to take paternity leave), choose the SAME career field where the money is (men generally major in careers in science or math which pay more generally than the communication and arts fields that women generally major in (these are generalities and there are exceptions)), oh and how about asking for a raise? Men generally are more likely to ask or even demand a raise than women are. Sexual assault and rape "statistics" conveniently omit any and all female on male rape instances because of course in order to be a rapist, you must have a penis. And feminists continue to come back with made up stats like 1 in 4 women being rape. Are you kidding? Use common sense, do you really believe that for every 3 women you see, there is a 4th that has or will be raped in her lifetime? I'm sorry I live in the realm of reality. And if you want to talk about rights, talk about those of civil rights that have long since been fought for and are continuing to be fought for. My great uncle was one of the guys to help get the Evanston, IL chapter of the NAACP started, because he and other blacks of the time had real problems and were truly oppressed.

That's a whole lot of misinformation you've got there. Here's a little reading for you to (probably not) do:
http://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/military-sexual-assault-facts_b_4281704.html

snazzyjazzy21

Without commenting on the merits of the post, I must ask:

What equal rights did he purport to deny?

There are so many problematic statements in his post(s) that it's difficult to know where to begin, but I guess I can start with his claim that white males don't experience any more privilege than white females. That's absolutely ludicrous. His ability to discount wage gap statistics, sexual assault statistics, and come up with completely absurd conjecture about women falsely reporting rapes and refusing to settle the bill on a date all contribute to the patriarchal society that we live in. Attitudes like his are used to propagate misinformation and justify atrocities committed against women on a daily basis. It is exhausting to try to refute the asinine and often disgusting statements made by MRAs like him, so yes, sometimes defaulting to the Privilege Denying Dude meme is all I have the energy to respond with.

Well actually I am not an MRA, I just hate being scrutinized for being born a male. And the wage gap thing is a myth that has long since been debunked. If you want to make more money work more hours (men on average work 2-4 more hours weekly than women), don't take sick leave or maternity leave (women take more sick leave than men and are more likely to take maternity leave than men are to take paternity leave), choose the SAME career field where the money is (men generally major in careers in science or math which pay more generally than the communication and arts fields that women generally major in (these are generalities and there are exceptions)), oh and how about asking for a raise? Men generally are more likely to ask or even demand a raise than women are. Sexual assault and rape "statistics" conveniently omit any and all female on male rape instances because of course in order to be a rapist, you must have a penis. And feminists continue to come back with made up stats like 1 in 4 women being rape. Are you kidding? Use common sense, do you really believe that for every 3 women you see, there is a 4th that has or will be raped in her lifetime? I'm sorry I live in the realm of reality. And if you want to talk about rights, talk about those of civil rights that have long since been fought for and are continuing to be fought for. My great uncle was one of the guys to help get the Evanston, IL chapter of the NAACP started, because he and other blacks of the time had real problems and were truly oppressed.

Sorry I'll just give birth on my workplace floor then and raise my child in my cubicle.

joel3736

Furthermore, the physical tests they have to overcome to get combat roles will be gender neutral.

Furthermore, given that most of our military activities are less strength driven and more technology and mechanically driven, the "biological gap" between the two is increasingly irrelevant.

But... tell me more about how women (many of whom have signed up very quickly) for the exact jobs you claim they don't want to do is a sign of the double standard and of "white female privilege."

Really? Show me how and where they are signing up quickly to combat positions? I was actually in the military and just got out last year, so between the two of us I am the subject matter expert on the military. And as far as the rape goes, rape is a very difficult thing to prove, seeing as many times the accused will admit to intercourse but claim it as being consensual and rape semen doesn't look any different than consensual semen. And actually more males are raped in the military than females. And trying to talk about the frequency of rape in the military would be like talking about the frequency of rape in say New York city. It becomes more prevalent when you are living in the same complexes and are working in the same area and essentially together for long periods of time. And actually the female pt standards are very much lowered for women and I have never agreed with that. Hell an average enlisted female doesn't have any less of a chance of doing well on the male standard of the pt test as a sedentary enlisted male straight out of high school. It needs to be 1 standard especially if women want to be equals.

Um... women have been signing up (and passing) the United States Marine Corps School of Infantry course since 2013... in fact, despite passing these physical tests as well as or better than their male peers, they were denied the right to get the same opportunities for combat leadership positions.

Furthermore, the military hasn't even opened up the MOS's to female candidates so its impossible to get actual placement numbers... the best we can do is see how many are signing up for jobs DESPITE being told that even if they do well, they will be denied the job.

P.S. Why don't you blame the rape victim some more.

MP's are a technically a combat mos. We had female combat medics, so it's not like they aren't in combat roles at all. And you are wrong about the females passing the marines fitness test. It was in the news about how 55% aren't even passing the newly revised fitness test that more accurately compares to their male counterparts whom are passing the similar test at MUCH higher levels and still are having to do more pullups and other events. They still have yet to even touch the APFT (army physical fitness test). Hell I would run a slow 13:30 2-mile and the top women are running about 15:30-16mins and they somehow ended up with more points on the run than I did, because they were female. But I suppose that is equality? And interestingly enough, there is a large contingent of women that are very upset over the revised marines fitness test, because they claim it as being sexist even though they are being judged on a more comparable standard to that of men.

joel3736

Women can be in combat, they just have to be physically and mentally fit enough to do so. And most are not. The vast majority are not. They can legally be in them now though and hopefully the army forces them to meet the male standards the way the marines are trying to make it happen. Because it's funny how so many women are ok with equal rights when the standards are lowered for them. No! There needs to be 1 set standard.

So...you're saying that with the number of men who came off of combat with mental issues, PTSD, depression and even very violent and sometimes deadly outcomes once they're home, they're trying to hold women to a different standard?

And some women are coming home with PTSD as well. Hell on the service connected disability claims, many people are just trying to put that down because it is something like an automatic 50% disability or 100% disability claim or something.

joel3736

Without commenting on the merits of the post, I must ask:

What equal rights did he purport to deny?

There are so many problematic statements in his post(s) that it's difficult to know where to begin, but I guess I can start with his claim that white males don't experience any more privilege than white females. That's absolutely ludicrous. His ability to discount wage gap statistics, sexual assault statistics, and come up with completely absurd conjecture about women falsely reporting rapes and refusing to settle the bill on a date all contribute to the patriarchal society that we live in. Attitudes like his are used to propagate misinformation and justify atrocities committed against women on a daily basis. It is exhausting to try to refute the asinine and often disgusting statements made by MRAs like him, so yes, sometimes defaulting to the Privilege Denying Dude meme is all I have the energy to respond with.

Well actually I am not an MRA, I just hate being scrutinized for being born a male. And the wage gap thing is a myth that has long since been debunked. If you want to make more money work more hours (men on average work 2-4 more hours weekly than women), don't take sick leave or maternity leave (women take more sick leave than men and are more likely to take maternity leave than men are to take paternity leave), choose the SAME career field where the money is (men generally major in careers in science or math which pay more generally than the communication and arts fields that women generally major in (these are generalities and there are exceptions)), oh and how about asking for a raise? Men generally are more likely to ask or even demand a raise than women are. Sexual assault and rape "statistics" conveniently omit any and all female on male rape instances because of course in order to be a rapist, you must have a penis. And feminists continue to come back with made up stats like 1 in 4 women being rape. Are you kidding? Use common sense, do you really believe that for every 3 women you see, there is a 4th that has or will be raped in her lifetime? I'm sorry I live in the realm of reality. And if you want to talk about rights, talk about those of civil rights that have long since been fought for and are continuing to be fought for. My great uncle was one of the guys to help get the Evanston, IL chapter of the NAACP started, because he and other blacks of the time had real problems and were truly oppressed.

Sorry I'll just give birth on my workplace floor then and raise my child in my cubicle.

Nobody is forcing you to have children, it is your choice. That is my point. For instance, I made the choice to not re-enlist in the army, because I wanted to see what I could do as a civilian and go to school...if you want to make as much as men with all things being equal, then having children will get in the way of your career. It is just a fact.

joel3736

Ahhh men, can't live with 'em...

That's not fair either! I want to live with them! I legitimately like a great many of them. I just don't want to be a second-class citizen!

You aren't a second class citizen. You can vote, you can work, go to school (hell 60% of ALL students in college are FEMALE and that number is growing), you have just as many rights as I do. So I don't know what you are complaining about. I have likely faced more discrimination for being half black than you have for being a woman.

snazzyjazzy21

Without commenting on the merits of the post, I must ask:

What equal rights did he purport to deny?

There are so many problematic statements in his post(s) that it's difficult to know where to begin, but I guess I can start with his claim that white males don't experience any more privilege than white females. That's absolutely ludicrous. His ability to discount wage gap statistics, sexual assault statistics, and come up with completely absurd conjecture about women falsely reporting rapes and refusing to settle the bill on a date all contribute to the patriarchal society that we live in. Attitudes like his are used to propagate misinformation and justify atrocities committed against women on a daily basis. It is exhausting to try to refute the asinine and often disgusting statements made by MRAs like him, so yes, sometimes defaulting to the Privilege Denying Dude meme is all I have the energy to respond with.

Well actually I am not an MRA, I just hate being scrutinized for being born a male. And the wage gap thing is a myth that has long since been debunked. If you want to make more money work more hours (men on average work 2-4 more hours weekly than women), don't take sick leave or maternity leave (women take more sick leave than men and are more likely to take maternity leave than men are to take paternity leave), choose the SAME career field where the money is (men generally major in careers in science or math which pay more generally than the communication and arts fields that women generally major in (these are generalities and there are exceptions)), oh and how about asking for a raise? Men generally are more likely to ask or even demand a raise than women are. Sexual assault and rape "statistics" conveniently omit any and all female on male rape instances because of course in order to be a rapist, you must have a penis. And feminists continue to come back with made up stats like 1 in 4 women being rape. Are you kidding? Use common sense, do you really believe that for every 3 women you see, there is a 4th that has or will be raped in her lifetime? I'm sorry I live in the realm of reality. And if you want to talk about rights, talk about those of civil rights that have long since been fought for and are continuing to be fought for. My great uncle was one of the guys to help get the Evanston, IL chapter of the NAACP started, because he and other blacks of the time had real problems and were truly oppressed.

Sorry I'll just give birth on my workplace floor then and raise my child in my cubicle.

Nobody is forcing you to have children, it is your choice. That is my point. For instance, I made the choice to not re-enlist in the army, because I wanted to see what I could do as a civilian and go to school...if you want to make as much as men with all things being equal, then having children will get in the way of your career. It is just a fact.

You're right. It is my choice. And if I choose to have kids, I'm gonna take the maternity leave which I am entitled to considering I created a human being and walked around like a human incubator for 9 months.

joel3736

Well actually I am not an MRA, I just hate being scrutinized for being born a male. And the wage gap thing is a myth that has long since been debunked. If you want to make more money work more hours (men on average work 2-4 more hours weekly than women), don't take sick leave or maternity leave (women take more sick leave than men and are more likely to take maternity leave than men are to take paternity leave), choose the SAME career field where the money is (men generally major in careers in science or math which pay more generally than the communication and arts fields that women generally major in (these are generalities and there are exceptions)), oh and how about asking for a raise? Men generally are more likely to ask or even demand a raise than women are. Sexual assault and rape "statistics" conveniently omit any and all female on male rape instances because of course in order to be a rapist, you must have a penis. And feminists continue to come back with made up stats like 1 in 4 women being rape. Are you kidding? Use common sense, do you really believe that for every 3 women you see, there is a 4th that has or will be raped in her lifetime? I'm sorry I live in the realm of reality. And if you want to talk about rights, talk about those of civil rights that have long since been fought for and are continuing to be fought for. My great uncle was one of the guys to help get the Evanston, IL chapter of the NAACP started, because he and other blacks of the time had real problems and were truly oppressed.

That's a whole lot of misinformation you've got there. Here's a little reading for you to (probably not) do:
http://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/military-sexual-assault-facts_b_4281704.html

Sorry, I go more with personal experience, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the military. Because the media will NOT have anything good to say about the military, that is just a fact. That is why my squad leader/section chief told us not to talk to the media at all when we deployed, because they will spin every word around to make us out to be bad guys. And then everybody (INCLUDING AMERICANS) would have more ammunition against us and would continue to call us "war criminals" and other derogatory names. And the pay wage gap again is a MYTH! It is illegal to discriminate based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or national origin. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, but it is ILLEGAL and quit rare in present day America. And please don't believe everything the media says, they are full of s*&%.

snazzyjazzy21

Well actually I am not an MRA, I just hate being scrutinized for being born a male. And the wage gap thing is a myth that has long since been debunked. If you want to make more money work more hours (men on average work 2-4 more hours weekly than women), don't take sick leave or maternity leave (women take more sick leave than men and are more likely to take maternity leave than men are to take paternity leave), choose the SAME career field where the money is (men generally major in careers in science or math which pay more generally than the communication and arts fields that women generally major in (these are generalities and there are exceptions)), oh and how about asking for a raise? Men generally are more likely to ask or even demand a raise than women are. Sexual assault and rape "statistics" conveniently omit any and all female on male rape instances because of course in order to be a rapist, you must have a penis. And feminists continue to come back with made up stats like 1 in 4 women being rape. Are you kidding? Use common sense, do you really believe that for every 3 women you see, there is a 4th that has or will be raped in her lifetime? I'm sorry I live in the realm of reality. And if you want to talk about rights, talk about those of civil rights that have long since been fought for and are continuing to be fought for. My great uncle was one of the guys to help get the Evanston, IL chapter of the NAACP started, because he and other blacks of the time had real problems and were truly oppressed.

That's a whole lot of misinformation you've got there. Here's a little reading for you to (probably not) do:
http://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/military-sexual-assault-facts_b_4281704.html

Sorry, I go more with personal experience, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the military. Because the media will NOT have anything good to say about the military, that is just a fact. That is why my squad leader/section chief told us not to talk to the media at all when we deployed, because they will spin every word around to make us out to be bad guys. And then everybody (INCLUDING AMERICANS) would have more ammunition against us and would continue to call us "war criminals" and other derogatory names.

This explains so much.

joel3736

Well actually I am not an MRA, I just hate being scrutinized for being born a male. And the wage gap thing is a myth that has long since been debunked. If you want to make more money work more hours (men on average work 2-4 more hours weekly than women), don't take sick leave or maternity leave (women take more sick leave than men and are more likely to take maternity leave than men are to take paternity leave), choose the SAME career field where the money is (men generally major in careers in science or math which pay more generally than the communication and arts fields that women generally major in (these are generalities and there are exceptions)), oh and how about asking for a raise? Men generally are more likely to ask or even demand a raise than women are. Sexual assault and rape "statistics" conveniently omit any and all female on male rape instances because of course in order to be a rapist, you must have a penis. And feminists continue to come back with made up stats like 1 in 4 women being rape. Are you kidding? Use common sense, do you really believe that for every 3 women you see, there is a 4th that has or will be raped in her lifetime? I'm sorry I live in the realm of reality. And if you want to talk about rights, talk about those of civil rights that have long since been fought for and are continuing to be fought for. My great uncle was one of the guys to help get the Evanston, IL chapter of the NAACP started, because he and other blacks of the time had real problems and were truly oppressed.

That's a whole lot of misinformation you've got there. Here's a little reading for you to (probably not) do:
http://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/military-sexual-assault-facts_b_4281704.html

Sorry, I go more with personal experience, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the military. Because the media will NOT have anything good to say about the military, that is just a fact. That is why my squad leader/section chief told us not to talk to the media at all when we deployed, because they will spin every word around to make us out to be bad guys. And then everybody (INCLUDING AMERICANS) would have more ammunition against us and would continue to call us "war criminals" and other derogatory names.

This explains so much.

How so?

snazzyjazzy21

Well actually I am not an MRA, I just hate being scrutinized for being born a male. And the wage gap thing is a myth that has long since been debunked. If you want to make more money work more hours (men on average work 2-4 more hours weekly than women), don't take sick leave or maternity leave (women take more sick leave than men and are more likely to take maternity leave than men are to take paternity leave), choose the SAME career field where the money is (men generally major in careers in science or math which pay more generally than the communication and arts fields that women generally major in (these are generalities and there are exceptions)), oh and how about asking for a raise? Men generally are more likely to ask or even demand a raise than women are. Sexual assault and rape "statistics" conveniently omit any and all female on male rape instances because of course in order to be a rapist, you must have a penis. And feminists continue to come back with made up stats like 1 in 4 women being rape. Are you kidding? Use common sense, do you really believe that for every 3 women you see, there is a 4th that has or will be raped in her lifetime? I'm sorry I live in the realm of reality. And if you want to talk about rights, talk about those of civil rights that have long since been fought for and are continuing to be fought for. My great uncle was one of the guys to help get the Evanston, IL chapter of the NAACP started, because he and other blacks of the time had real problems and were truly oppressed.

That's a whole lot of misinformation you've got there. Here's a little reading for you to (probably not) do:
http://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/military-sexual-assault-facts_b_4281704.html

Sorry, I go more with personal experience, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the military. Because the media will NOT have anything good to say about the military, that is just a fact. That is why my squad leader/section chief told us not to talk to the media at all when we deployed, because they will spin every word around to make us out to be bad guys. And then everybody (INCLUDING AMERICANS) would have more ammunition against us and would continue to call us "war criminals" and other derogatory names.

This explains so much.

How so?

Your inherent dismissal of statistics in favour of your own limited experience explains your point of view. Your opinion cannot be changed because you refuse to believe that things can be different than how they appear in your personal view of the world.

joel3736

Well actually I am not an MRA, I just hate being scrutinized for being born a male. And the wage gap thing is a myth that has long since been debunked. If you want to make more money work more hours (men on average work 2-4 more hours weekly than women), don't take sick leave or maternity leave (women take more sick leave than men and are more likely to take maternity leave than men are to take paternity leave), choose the SAME career field where the money is (men generally major in careers in science or math which pay more generally than the communication and arts fields that women generally major in (these are generalities and there are exceptions)), oh and how about asking for a raise? Men generally are more likely to ask or even demand a raise than women are. Sexual assault and rape "statistics" conveniently omit any and all female on male rape instances because of course in order to be a rapist, you must have a penis. And feminists continue to come back with made up stats like 1 in 4 women being rape. Are you kidding? Use common sense, do you really believe that for every 3 women you see, there is a 4th that has or will be raped in her lifetime? I'm sorry I live in the realm of reality. And if you want to talk about rights, talk about those of civil rights that have long since been fought for and are continuing to be fought for. My great uncle was one of the guys to help get the Evanston, IL chapter of the NAACP started, because he and other blacks of the time had real problems and were truly oppressed.

That's a whole lot of misinformation you've got there. Here's a little reading for you to (probably not) do:
http://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/military-sexual-assault-facts_b_4281704.html

Sorry, I go more with personal experience, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the military. Because the media will NOT have anything good to say about the military, that is just a fact. That is why my squad leader/section chief told us not to talk to the media at all when we deployed, because they will spin every word around to make us out to be bad guys. And then everybody (INCLUDING AMERICANS) would have more ammunition against us and would continue to call us "war criminals" and other derogatory names.

This explains so much.

How so?

Your inherent dismissal of statistics in favour of your own limited experience explains your point of view. Your opinion cannot be changed because you refuse to believe that things can be different than how they appear in your personal view of the world.

Lol limited experience? I spent 7 years in the military. When it comes to virtually all things military, I am a subject matter expert certainly compared to you. You have never served in the military. Only 1% of the U.S. population has, so those are the only ones who truly have a knowledgeable opinion on goings on within the military. And I don't dismiss actual FACTS. But you are coming up with junk from huffington post and other unreliable/anti-military media outlets?...and yes you can choose to have children and take maternity leave. I never said that you can't, but that decision comes with a consequence. And that is a delay in your professional/career development. All actions come with an equal and opposite reaction. Nothing wrong with having children as long as you can support them. But you can't then whine about not being paid as much as someone who has been working consistently at their job with no breaks in employment.

tycho_mx

Sorry Joel, the pay wage gap is not a myth. My wife and I have the exact same graduate degree (M. Sc.). She has an extra undergrad. She still doesn't quite have the same opportunities I have. We don't have menial jobs, we're fortunate to hold decent jobs with a comfortable life. But still is not equal. That said, the plural of anecdote is not evidence.

Domestically, you've been shown resources stating the income gap. Internationally, the OECD has shown the same - about 20% in north america. You have yourself stated that women make a majority of university students, yet they make only 24 of top 500 companies CEOs. Oh, they must all be studying fluff like chick literature and being busy breeding instead of being productive, right?

http://www.oecd.org/gender/data/genderwagegap.htm

But for those that don't want to accept reality, no amount of evidence will be sufficient. And yes, your experience is indeed limited (all of ours is, actually). You just can't simply extrapolate what you see to the general case. You might much more experienced in the military than 99% of the population - but you apply that observation to the general gender wage gap case.

joel3736

Sorry Joel, the pay wage gap is not a myth. My wife and I have the exact same graduate degree (M. Sc.). She has an extra undergrad. She still doesn't quite have the same opportunities I have. We don't have menial jobs, we're fortunate to hold decent jobs with a comfortable life. But still is not equal. That said, the plural of anecdote is not evidence.

Domestically, you've been shown resources stating the income gap. Internationally, the OECD has shown the same - about 20% in north america. You have yourself stated that women make a majority of university students, yet they make only 24 of top 500 companies CEOs. Oh, they must all be studying fluff like chick literature and being busy breeding instead of being productive, right?

http://www.oecd.org/gender/data/genderwagegap.htm

But for those that don't want to accept reality, no amount of evidence will be sufficient.

We have as close to equality as we will likely get. Men and women are different. They have different characteristics and biologically they are very different. And women would undoubtedly hold more CEO positions if they didn't take breaks to have children, if they put off having children. I am not saying that they have to, but we all make choices in life. And honestly, I think everyone should have to enlist in the military for at least a few years. You would all then find out what it is like to temporarily have your privileges revoked. And for the last time YES the gender wage gap is a MYTH.

BraveNewdGirl

We have as close to equality as we will likely get. Men and women are different. They have different characteristics and biologically they are very different. And women would undoubtedly hold more CEO positions if they didn't take breaks to have children, if they put off having children. I am not saying that they have to, but we all make choices in life. And honestly, I think everyone should have to enlist in the military for at least a few years. You would all then find out what it is like to temporarily have your privileges revoked. And for the last time YES the gender wage gap is a MYTH.

Translation: I'm allergic to actual information. I will only take into account statistics that I have personally made up on the spot. Also, I was in the military. It's very important that you acknowledge that I was in the military.

tycho_mx

Sorry Joel, the pay wage gap is not a myth. My wife and I have the exact same graduate degree (M. Sc.). She has an extra undergrad. She still doesn't quite have the same opportunities I have. We don't have menial jobs, we're fortunate to hold decent jobs with a comfortable life. But still is not equal. That said, the plural of anecdote is not evidence.

Domestically, you've been shown resources stating the income gap. Internationally, the OECD has shown the same - about 20% in north america. You have yourself stated that women make a majority of university students, yet they make only 24 of top 500 companies CEOs. Oh, they must all be studying fluff like chick literature and being busy breeding instead of being productive, right?

http://www.oecd.org/gender/data/genderwagegap.htm

But for those that don't want to accept reality, no amount of evidence will be sufficient.

We have as close to equality as we will likely get. Men and women are different. They have different characteristics and biologically they are very different. And women would undoubtedly hold more CEO positions if they didn't take breaks to have children, if they put off having children. I am not saying that they have to, but we all make choices in life. And honestly, I think everyone should have to enlist in the military for at least a few years. You would all then find out what it is like to temporarily have your privileges revoked. And for the last time YES the gender wage gap is a MYTH.

It's a myth because you say so . Gotcha. The OECD is a bunch of commie pinkos that are out to get the hard-working productive people. And now you're moving to " we are as close to equality as we'll get". You mean USA? Or the World? Because institutions like the OECD and UN report that some societies (like Norway) are closer to being gender-equal than us in North America.

I am not American. I was raised in a country that establishes mandatory military service for all males entering adulthood. And no, I wasn't deployed anywhere - where I was raised can hardly keep its own stuff in order to be invading other places.

Farewell - there's no point in having a conversation where one party simply puts his fingers in his ears and says "nya, nya, can't hear you, it's not true". But hey, common tactic - can't lose an argument that way. But can't be taken seriously either.

joel3736

We have as close to equality as we will likely get. Men and women are different. They have different characteristics and biologically they are very different. And women would undoubtedly hold more CEO positions if they didn't take breaks to have children, if they put off having children. I am not saying that they have to, but we all make choices in life. And honestly, I think everyone should have to enlist in the military for at least a few years. You would all then find out what it is like to temporarily have your privileges revoked. And for the last time YES the gender wage gap is a MYTH.

Translation: I'm allergic to actual information. I will only take into account statistics that I have personally made up on the spot. Also, I was in the military. It's very important that you acknowledge that I was in the military.

Yeah I was in the military, which means that I defended EVERY SINGLE RIGHT that you enjoy and take for granted. You even have the right to be ungrateful about that. And no I don't ignore REAL facts. I ignore BULL****!

joel3736

Sorry Joel, the pay wage gap is not a myth. My wife and I have the exact same graduate degree (M. Sc.). She has an extra undergrad. She still doesn't quite have the same opportunities I have. We don't have menial jobs, we're fortunate to hold decent jobs with a comfortable life. But still is not equal. That said, the plural of anecdote is not evidence.

Domestically, you've been shown resources stating the income gap. Internationally, the OECD has shown the same - about 20% in north america. You have yourself stated that women make a majority of university students, yet they make only 24 of top 500 companies CEOs. Oh, they must all be studying fluff like chick literature and being busy breeding instead of being productive, right?

http://www.oecd.org/gender/data/genderwagegap.htm

But for those that don't want to accept reality, no amount of evidence will be sufficient.

We have as close to equality as we will likely get. Men and women are different. They have different characteristics and biologically they are very different. And women would undoubtedly hold more CEO positions if they didn't take breaks to have children, if they put off having children. I am not saying that they have to, but we all make choices in life. And honestly, I think everyone should have to enlist in the military for at least a few years. You would all then find out what it is like to temporarily have your privileges revoked. And for the last time YES the gender wage gap is a MYTH.

It's a myth because you say so . Gotcha. The OECD is a bunch of commie pinkos that are out to get the hard-working productive people. And now you're moving to " we are as close to equality as we'll get". You mean USA? Or the World? Because institutions like the OECD and UN report that some societies (like Norway) are closer to being gender-equal than us in North America.

I am not American. I was raised in a country that establishes mandatory military service for all males entering adulthood. And no, I wasn't deployed anywhere - where I was raised can hardly keep its own stuff in order to be invading other places.

Farewell - there's no point in having a conversation where one party simply puts his fingers in his ears and says "nya, nya, can't hear you, it's not true". But hey, common tactic - can't lose an argument that way. But can't be taken seriously either.

Sorry I should have been more specific. Yes in North America, we do have equality. I cannot speak for other countries, as I have only been to Iraq, Kuwait and for only like an hour long break in Ireland and Germany. But yes in America, we certainly are as close to equal as we can get. And interestingly we never address the problems that men face, only those that women face or claim to face. But you can keep living with the illusion that your wife gives you that she is so "oppressed" by this "patriarchy".

BraveNewdGirl

Yeah I was in the military, which means that I defended EVERY SINGLE RIGHT that you enjoy and take for granted. You even have the right to be ungrateful about that. And no I don't ignore REAL facts. I ignore BULL****!

sugarstrawberries

To write about privilege you should probably understand what it is first.

SnuggleSmacks

Joel obviously doesn't have kids. When he does finally find a woman who will marry him and bare his crotchfruit, I hope she refuses to be the one who takes time from work in order to care for the youngins' when they're sick.

AtticWindow

To write about privilege you should probably understand what it is first.

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