Protien Question

lucysmommy

Hi

I am looking for some advice

put in my food diary for today and its seems i am over in protien. does this make a huge difference? all my other figures are green still :-)

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TateFTW

MFP really doesn't give you enough protein in its stock settings, and gives you WAY more carbs then needed. Most everyone goes to atleast 30% protein, and I personally use 40% for weight loss. 40-30-30 and 30-40-30 are popular settings for your macros in the goal section.

Protein is a very good thing. Technically there is such a thing as too much, but its almost impossible to get there.

rml_16

Your body can absorb 2g of protein per 1 kg of body weight (divide your weight by 2.2). That's the maximum you should be getting if you're an elite athlete. For the normal person, it's 1 to 1.4 (I think) g of protein per kg of body weight. It's pretty tough to get more than that unless you're really trying.

And I agree that MFP has it set low. It's set at 48 for me, and it should be at least 63.

lucysmommy

hiya

thanks for your speedy reply

all my other sections like carbs are a lot lower than the stated amount and thats with cereal, potato soup and potatoes with my dinner lol

i will carry on and concentrate on the cals and monitor the other sections
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TateFTW

If you go to "my home" and click on "goals" then you can select "change goals" and put in your own numbers. I think this is far superior to just knowing that what you want is different from the numbers on the screen.

Personally, I think those that are doing any resistance training should get around 1 g pr lb of bodyweight. I don't really know how kg's relate to that, because I'm amercian and therefore don't care about the system the rest of the world uses (I've been told they're all wrong and everything we do is right).

lucysmommy

lol

i am scottish but i like lbs and stones :-)

so i am about 88g of protien then?
xx

kate205gti

thankyou i was wondering the same thing - have just changed my goals too thanks for that now just need to find some protein bars that arent too high in calories

TheNewJessieMae

You need as much protien as possible Girl!!!!! It's good for you to be over!

rml_16

You need as much protien as possible Girl!!!!!

That is incorrect. Too much protein is not good for you. Too much of anything is not good for you.

LilynEdensmom

Thanks for this post, I am almost over in my protein.

LilynEdensmom

Thanks for this post, I am almost over in my protein.

FatGoinDown

These posts are very helpful. I hope the creators of the site are reading them. We can all learn from each other. I just started and was wondering what was up. I'm below my calories but way over on protein.

rml_16

If you go to "my home" and click on "goals" then you can select "change goals" and put in your own numbers. I think this is far superior to just knowing that what you want is different from the numbers on the screen.

Personally, I think those that are doing any resistance training should get around 1 g pr lb of bodyweight. I don't really know how kg's relate to that, because I'm amercian and therefore don't care about the system the rest of the world uses (I've been told they're all wrong and everything we do is right).

Kg is how it's figured, even in the US. Sorry to tell you. My info is from the Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic, which are in the US.

1g per pound is WAY more than you need and WAY more than your body can absorb. You can cause major health problems if you're getting that much on a regular basis.

And it's nice that YOU think that's what people should get, but I'll go with what experts say. Thanks, anyway.

dlmarkley66

So if I weigh 185#, which is 84kg x 1.4 =117 fm of protein per day? Just wanting to make sure I understand. It seems like mine is set at like 60 or something crazy like that. I have been worrying about it also. Thanks for the information.

kianaik

My trainer has given us the guideline of eating a minimum of 80g of protein per day up the equivalent of your weight. For example, if you weigh 155 lbs then eat between 80g and 155g of protein per day.

rml_16

My trainer has given us the guideline of eating a minimum of 80g of protein per day up the equivalent of your weight. For example, if you weigh 155 lbs then eat between 80g and 155g of protein per day.

Did you ask your trainer what kind of nutrition education he has? How much time he spent learning about that kind of thing? Most trainers have learned very little about nutrition or anatomy.

I wouldn't take the advice of a trainer on something like this. They're great at showing you how to exercise, but that's about it.

It worries me that they give nutritional advice because most of them don't actually know what they're talking about. You can do a quick Google search and find out what you need.

No human body can absorb more than 2g per kilogram of body weight, so eating 1g per pound is more than your body can absorb.

The health side effects include kidney and liver problems, a couple friends of mine had to have major stomach surgery (and will have health problems the rest of their lives) after getting too much protein on the advice of trainers and excess protein leaches calcium from the bones, which can lead to osteoporosis.

The 2 g per kilogram is also recommended for people who are elite athletes, not the average person.

lucysmommy

So if I weigh 185#, which is 84kg x 1.4 =117 fm of protein per day? Just wanting to make sure I understand. It seems like mine is set at like 60 or something crazy like that. I have been worrying about it also. Thanks for the information.

hiya i went with 1g of protein for 1kg of my weight

i think 1.4 is too much
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rml_16

So if I weigh 185#, which is 84kg x 1.4 =117 fm of protein per day? Just wanting to make sure I understand. It seems like mine is set at like 60 or something crazy like that. I have been worrying about it also. Thanks for the information.

hiya i went with 1g of protein for 1kg of my weight

i think 1.4 is too much
x

It's more of a range thing. You want to get a minimum amount, but you don't want to regularly get to much.

If you eat meat every day, you're probably doing fine. There's a lot of protein even in a single chicken breast.

I'm lacto-ovo vegetarian and it's not unusual for me to get 80-plus grams of protein just from food.

lucysmommy

So if I weigh 185#, which is 84kg x 1.4 =117 fm of protein per day? Just wanting to make sure I understand. It seems like mine is set at like 60 or something crazy like that. I have been worrying about it also. Thanks for the information.

hiya i went with 1g of protein for 1kg of my weight

i think 1.4 is too much
x

It's more of a range thing. You want to get a minimum amount, but you don't want to regularly get to much.

If you eat meat every day, you're probably doing fine. There's a lot of protein even in a single chicken breast.

I'm lacto-ovo vegetarian and it's not unusual for me to get 80-plus grams of protein just from food.

hiya

yeah i eat meat everyday - love it too much

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rml_16

If you're eating meat every day, it's highly unlikely you aren't getting enough protein. :-)

lucysmommy

cool

but i am over on my carbs now lol
oh well i am still under cals for the day

and i do a lot of running so really need carbs as well

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rml_16

cool

but i am over on my carbs now lol
oh well i am still under cals for the day

and i do a lot of running so really need carbs as well

x

Basically, concentrate on eating healthy foods and your calories. As far as weight loss goes, calories are really what counts. I've never been one to worry about carbs and I've never had trouble losing.

The majority of my carbs come from whole grains, fruits and veggies, anyway. And, like you said, carbs give you energy for exercise and they also feed your brain!

lucysmommy

thanks

will deffo stop over analyising it and just get on with it
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Vipecap

Fairly certain condescending answers are not needed because you think someone is wrong or because you think most trainers are stupid.

http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/19/suppl_5/513S#SEC3

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-protein-diets/AN00847

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/healthy-diet/NU00200

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/sports_health/nutrition/protein.aspx

If you are going to make those claims, at least show where you are getting your information so it doesn't become an "I'm right, your wrong" back and forth. You also forgot to mention that they are just guidelines and everyone's body responds differently. What may work for 99% people still may not work for 1%.

rml_16

This is from the Cleveland Clinic link YOU posted:

The following is a guideline that can be used to determine how much protein an athlete requires:
Competitive adult: 1.4-2.0 gm/kg body weight
Teenage athlete: 1.8-2.0 gm/kg body weight
Strength athlete: 1.4-1.8 gm/kg body weight
Endurance athlete: 1.2-1.4 gm/kg body weight
Maximum usable amount for adults: 2.0 gm/kg body weight

Which is what I said.

Nowhere in there does it say 1g per pound of body weight.

In fact, everything you posted supports what I said. I don't think trainers are stupid. I think trainers are undereducated for doling out nutrition advice.

Vipecap

You are right, the information I posted supports what you say. That was the whole point...? It was to show that you are providing information from reliable sources, not just saying it to say it. There are trainers who dole out advice completely in line with what you say, as there are those that dole out all kinds of wrong advice. Sweeping generalizations are never a good thing.

rml_16

You are right, the information I posted supports what you say. That was the whole point...? It was to show that you are providing information from reliable sources, not just saying it to say it. There are trainers who dole out advice completely in line with what you say, as there are those that dole out all kinds of wrong advice. Sweeping generalizations are never a good thing.

OK. I was confused. Thanks for posting the links. I get tired of looking them up all the time, but I have posted them before.

And I know there are trainers who have a clue. That's why I said "most" and not "all." I know enough people who have become PTs who don't have the nutritional training.

I wasn't meaning to be condescending. I just get so exasperated by this subject. I've seen so many people here say something to the effect of, "You can never have too much protein." No one's going to say you don't need protein, but you CAN have too much and the health effects can be pretty bad, so it's hard to just let that go.

And the 1g per pound is way more than anyone needs. I keep seeing that pop up, too. I guess I'm saying what I said I said out of concern, not to be mean.

musclebuilder

My trainer has given us the guideline of eating a minimum of 80g of protein per day up the equivalent of your weight. For example, if you weigh 155 lbs then eat between 80g and 155g of protein per day.

Did you ask your trainer what kind of nutrition education he has? How much time he spent learning about that kind of thing? Most trainers have learned very little about nutrition or anatomy.

I wouldn't take the advice of a trainer on something like this. They're great at showing you how to exercise, but that's about it.

It worries me that they give nutritional advice because most of them don't actually know what they're talking about. You can do a quick Google search and find out what you need.

No human body can absorb more than 2g per kilogram of body weight, so eating 1g per pound is more than your body can absorb.

The health side effects include kidney and liver problems, a couple friends of mine had to have major stomach surgery (and will have health problems the rest of their lives) after getting too much protein on the advice of trainers and excess protein leaches calcium from the bones, which can lead to osteoporosis.

The 2 g per kilogram is also recommended for people who are elite athletes, not the average person.

rml_16, I have not seen any evidence that high protein intake has any adverse effects on healthy kidney or liver function. The evidence I have seen suggests that low protein diets does not prevent the decline in renal function with age but may acually contribute to the decline. As far as high protein and liver function. Again, no evidence suggests any adverse effects in healthy liver function. In fact I have read numerous studies that increased protein intake is beneficial for those with liver disease and improves function. Which makes sense since protein is needed to repair the tissue. As far as higher protein diets causing an increase in calcium excretion which over time may lead to osteoporosis. That is certainly debatable. There have been studies done on healthy young women on low protein diets who developed hypocalciuria .While low protein diets show decreased calcium excretion, low protein intake also shows significant reduction in intestinal calcium absorption. Which may lead to a reduction in calcium balance.

TateFTW

If you go to "my home" and click on "goals" then you can select "change goals" and put in your own numbers. I think this is far superior to just knowing that what you want is different from the numbers on the screen.

Personally, I think those that are doing any resistance training should get around 1 g pr lb of bodyweight. I don't really know how kg's relate to that, because I'm amercian and therefore don't care about the system the rest of the world uses (I've been told they're all wrong and everything we do is right).

Kg is how it's figured, even in the US. Sorry to tell you. My info is from the Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic, which are in the US.

1g per pound is WAY more than you need and WAY more than your body can absorb. You can cause major health problems if you're getting that much on a regular basis.

And it's nice that YOU think that's what people should get, but I'll go with what experts say. Thanks, anyway.

Wow. Your kind of a jerk. You tell me I'm wrong, then in the next post say not to worry about carbs because you didn't worry about carbs and you still lost. But that's cool. I'll just assume that what worked for me and what I've read hundreds of times worked for others is wrong, and a women who can't even get a joke about american egocentrism is correct.

rml_16

If you go to "my home" and click on "goals" then you can select "change goals" and put in your own numbers. I think this is far superior to just knowing that what you want is different from the numbers on the screen.

Personally, I think those that are doing any resistance training should get around 1 g pr lb of bodyweight. I don't really know how kg's relate to that, because I'm amercian and therefore don't care about the system the rest of the world uses (I've been told they're all wrong and everything we do is right).

Unless you're diabetic, too many carbs won't cause major health problems.

Kg is how it's figured, even in the US. Sorry to tell you. My info is from the Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic, which are in the US.

1g per pound is WAY more than you need and WAY more than your body can absorb. You can cause major health problems if you're getting that much on a regular basis.

And it's nice that YOU think that's what people should get, but I'll go with what experts say. Thanks, anyway.

Wow. Your kind of a jerk. You tell me I'm wrong, then in the next post say not to worry about carbs because you didn't worry about carbs and you still lost. But that's cool. I'll just assume that what worked for me and what I've read hundreds of times worked for others is wrong, and a women who can't even get a joke about american egocentrism is correct.

My response apparently didn't take.

I got the joke. It just wasn't funny.

And too many carbs won't cause the adverse health effects that too much protein will. This isn't about weight loss. It's about not killing yourself or causing permanant health problems. If all you're worried about is losing weight, then too much protein (as long as you're within your calorie goals) won't keep you from losing weight.

I personally, in the real world, know more than one person who has had serious health issues caused by too much protein who was otherwise healthy.

rml_16

My trainer has given us the guideline of eating a minimum of 80g of protein per day up the equivalent of your weight. For example, if you weigh 155 lbs then eat between 80g and 155g of protein per day.

Did you ask your trainer what kind of nutrition education he has? How much time he spent learning about that kind of thing? Most trainers have learned very little about nutrition or anatomy.

I wouldn't take the advice of a trainer on something like this. They're great at showing you how to exercise, but that's about it.

It worries me that they give nutritional advice because most of them don't actually know what they're talking about. You can do a quick Google search and find out what you need.

No human body can absorb more than 2g per kilogram of body weight, so eating 1g per pound is more than your body can absorb.

The health side effects include kidney and liver problems, a couple friends of mine had to have major stomach surgery (and will have health problems the rest of their lives) after getting too much protein on the advice of trainers and excess protein leaches calcium from the bones, which can lead to osteoporosis.

The 2 g per kilogram is also recommended for people who are elite athletes, not the average person.

rml_16, I have not seen any evidence that high protein intake has any adverse effects on healthy kidney or liver function. The evidence I have seen suggests that low protein diets does not prevent the decline in renal function with age but may acually contribute to the decline. As far as high protein and liver function. Again, no evidence suggests any adverse effects in healthy liver function. In fact I have read numerous studies that increased protein intake is beneficial for those with liver disease and improves function. Which makes sense since protein is needed to repair the tissue. As far as higher protein diets causing an increase in calcium excretion which over time may lead to osteoporosis. That is certainly debatable. There have been studies done on healthy young women on low protein diets who developed hypocalciuria .While low protein diets show decreased calcium excretion, low protein intake also shows significant reduction in intestinal calcium absorption. Which may lead to a reduction in calcium balance.

There's a difference between a low protein diet and a diet in which you get enough protein. I'm not talking about limiting protein intake to unhealthy levels. I'm saying you need a certain amount for your health, but too much will harm you.

If the Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic and my many, many friends and relatives who are RNs, doctors and nutritionists are in agreement on this one, I tend to believe it.