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So it seems that a lot people feel as though I am being attacked or whatever. That I get into a lot of thread battles with people. Here the thing.I have had lots of battling with losing 25 pounds in 5 weeks gaining 35 pounds, losing 50 pounds in 6 months gaining all that back and more. There is more to wight lost than what people are thinking. I use T nation as a guide because it is working for me. It might not work for you. Yes I want scale weight lost but I would rather what body fat lost. I am at the point where I can never weigh myself and still see results.
Also if you read a lot of the issues people are having it all is boiling down to the fact that scale weight has not changed for who know how long. Then the person feel that eat less calories and working out more will create the deficit to lose weight. They are realizing that it is not the cases. SO what your answer when that is there problem. Your overestimating your workouts and underestimating you food intake. BTW I do not own a food scale. I find now that I do not need to because A) I see results in the mirror
I do not record my workout but I workout to the point of being exhausted when I do want to have a very good workout. I also have not down and slow steady cardio in four months and have still lost fat, lost weight scale, and get stronger.
Like I said before maybe I am not human.
Also if you read a lot of the issues people are having it all is boiling down to the fact that scale weight has not changed for who know how long. Then the person feel that eat less calories and working out more will create the deficit to lose weight. They are realizing that it is not the cases. SO what your answer when that is there problem. Your overestimating your workouts and underestimating you food intake. BTW I do not own a food scale. I find now that I do not need to because A) I see results in the mirror
I do not record my workout but I workout to the point of being exhausted when I do want to have a very good workout. I also have not down and slow steady cardio in four months and have still lost fat, lost weight scale, and get stronger.Like I said before maybe I am not human.
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I wont comment on anything than a few statements.
There is not more to weight loss than CICO.
I agree scale weight of a body is irrelevant if you are concerned with more than weight loss...some people here only care about scale numbers, some people here care about fat loss over scale numbers.
Calorie deficet for weight loss
Exercise for health.
I don't personally do a lot of cardio either, I will do HIIT or go for a walk even a bike ride now that it's summer and I continue to lose fat, scale weight and get strong too...but I have no built any muscle.
That doesn't happen at a deficet even though I am doing a progressive load lifting program.0 -
Ok here is a example. I am your exact twin we are the same person in to different people. We follow our workouts exactly the same . We eat the same amount of calories but I am eating those calories in McDonalds. You choice to eat heathly. We would be the same exact weight through out the weight lost journey. Who would look better eating healthy or eating McDonalds eat meal?0
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depends. whoever had the best balance with their macros would end up probably looking better, so most likely the person who didnt eat mcdons since fast food tends to be high in carbs and fat, also sodium content in fast food would cause greater water retention giving the appearance of being "fat". you body doesnt recognize the difference between processed and unprocessed though, its all the nutritional contentOk here is a example. I am your exact twin we are the same person in to different people. We follow our workouts exactly the same . We eat the same amount of calories but I am eating those calories in McDonalds. You choice to eat heathly. We would be the same exact weight through out the weight lost journey. Who would look better eating healthy or eating McDonalds eat meal?0 -
as a side note, i do hardly any cardio, dont own a food scale (i estimate and use volume sizing) and dont really record workouts eithr, but i do follow a routine. ive been steadily losing around 2 lbs/week since october until recently where its slowed slightly to around a 1 lb/week. some people are just able to estimate their portion size well, so a scale isnt necessary in large calorie deficits for them0
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depends. whoever had the best balance with their macros would end up probably looking better, so most likely the person who didnt eat mcdons since fast food tends to be high in carbs and fat, also sodium content in fast food would cause greater water retention giving the appearance of being "fat". you body doesnt recognize the difference between processed and unprocessed though, its all the nutritional contentOk here is a example. I am your exact twin we are the same person in to different people. We follow our workouts exactly the same . We eat the same amount of calories but I am eating those calories in McDonalds. You choice to eat heathly. We would be the same exact weight through out the weight lost journey. Who would look better eating healthy or eating McDonalds eat meal?
So yes macro and micro nutrients is where the difference is in this little example.0 -
as a side note, i do hardly any cardio, dont own a food scale (i estimate and use volume sizing) and dont really record workouts eithr, but i do follow a routine. ive been steadily losing around 2 lbs/week since october until recently where its slowed slightly to around a 1 lb/week. some people are just able to estimate their portion size well, so a scale isnt necessary in large calorie deficits for them
Your just like me and figured out the secret to this whole weight lost process and you are doing it. I am sure if you wanted to gain muscle as you were losing weight that you have enough knowledge to do so.0 -
Yes Macro's matter....no argument there....but You can hit macro's eating MacDonald's...DQ, KFC etc.
Any fast food resturant has "healthy" options...
"healthy" is subjective.
I could go to DQ and get a grilled chicken burger and a side salad and it would be 280 calories, 26 grams of protien and 3.5grams of fat...to me that is not bad, unhealthy or otherwise not desireable (it's one of my favorite meals there actually)
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Grilled chicken salad has 170 calories with 24 grams of protien and 2g of fat.0 -
I was expecting a link to some site :bigsmile:0
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as a side note, i do hardly any cardio, dont own a food scale (i estimate and use volume sizing) and dont really record workouts eithr, but i do follow a routine. ive been steadily losing around 2 lbs/week since october until recently where its slowed slightly to around a 1 lb/week. some people are just able to estimate their portion size well, so a scale isnt necessary in large calorie deficits for them
Your just like me and figured out the secret to this whole weight lost process and you are doing it. I am sure if you wanted to gain muscle as you were losing fat that you have enough knowledge to do so.
there FIFY
You don't lose weight and build muscle at the same time....that is counter intuitive. Unless you are experiencing Noob gains which are low and end quickly or are mobidly obese .
You can lose fat, gain muscle doing a recomp but you don't lose weight...you stay the same....0 -
Every single post I have commented on also has the same exact problem. People one do not truly not how much there body needs calorie wise to maintain weight. That something that needs to be know so you can set up your calories deficit. For Me I just tested out one week. Friday to Friday follow my fitness pal to a T. 1500 calorie a day for for a two pound decrease. I love the gym. I love to lift weights so I tweaking my diet to 1750 calories and I went to the gym twice this week. 3.2 pound decrease. So now I can eat more calories since I like to gym daily. I also feel as some of the weight lost might be muscle. I have to tweak my diet again to eating more on exercise days or higher intensity exercise days since I workout all the time. On day I have a lower intensity work out I can eat less. That process is getting me able to get stronger every week and still see fat lost in the mirror and lost on weight scale.0
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I was expecting a link to some site :bigsmile:
I know you were don't need to since I am doing what the link says.0 -
as a side note, i do hardly any cardio, dont own a food scale (i estimate and use volume sizing) and dont really record workouts eithr, but i do follow a routine. ive been steadily losing around 2 lbs/week since october until recently where its slowed slightly to around a 1 lb/week. some people are just able to estimate their portion size well, so a scale isnt necessary in large calorie deficits for them
Your just like me and figured out the secret to this whole weight lost process and you are doing it. I am sure if you wanted to gain muscle as you were losing fat that you have enough knowledge to do so.
there FIFY
You don't lose weight and build muscle at the same time....that is counter intuitive. Unless you are experiencing Noob gains which are low and end quickly or are mobidly obese .
You can lose fat, gain muscle doing a recomp but you don't lose weight...you stay the same....
So you do not see it possible to for exact gain a half and pound and losing a pound and a half in a week. The scale will show one pound decrease. The pound of fat you lost can being seeing in the mirror.
I have also being lifting weights for years so newbie gain for me came when I was in high school.0 -
If you really think you gain a pound of muscle in a week on your 5-2 weight-loss diet, you must be a genetic miracle and should be studied.
ETA: strength gain does not equal muscle gain (few grams maybe, not pounds :laugh: )0 -
If you really think you gain a pound of muscle in a week on your 5-2 weight-loss diet, you must be a genetic miracle and should be studied.
I do not follow that article to the exact. I do not care about how much I increase muscle during my weight lost journey. I just want to be eating correctly to get stronger every week while losing fat and a little losing scale weight. I think a pound of true lean mass (muscle) would be to take steroids. Not if every week. my squats work can increase by 5 pounds or 10 pounds. That is still a gain for muscles.0 -
If you really think you gain a pound of muscle in a week on your 5-2 weight-loss diet, you must be a genetic miracle and should be studied.
ETA: strength gain does not equal muscle gain (few grams maybe, not pounds :laugh: )
strength gain does not equal muscle gain but there is a ratio. I know for a fact cuz I see it in the mirror. I am carrying 32% body fat as of Sunday but I can still see my quads, biceps, tricep, traps, shoulders.0 -
A ratio, really?
Noone is saying you can not get stronger on a diet. Of course you can. Your body is amazing at adapting (CNS one of them). The problem most people have is that you are posting the last few days as if Jesus himself came down from the heavens and touched you with this incredible diet and lifting plan which will melt of fat and make you gain muscle at the same time.
I read this on bodybuilding.com earlier and it stuck with me:You shouldn't put a lot of energy into gaining a lot of strength on a cut. You won't be gaining actual muscle mass until you're in a cal surplus. If you try to increase strength TOO much you're taking strength gains off the table for later when it'll actually count for something. Strength gains aren't infinite. They key when in a deficit is to maintain muscle not try to increase it which won't happen in any measureable amounts not to mention the added recovery time when putting out more effort than necessary.
Everything you do in the gym has a cost, but not everything necessarily has a benefit.0 -
A ratio, really?
Noone is saying you can not get stronger on a diet. Of course you can. Your body is amazing at adapting (CNS one of them). The problem most people have is that you are posting the last few days as if Jesus himself came down from the heavens and touched you with this incredible diet and lifting plan which will melt of fat and make you gain muscle at the same time.
I read this on bodybuilding.com earlier and it stuck with me:You shouldn't put a lot of energy into gaining a lot of strength on a cut. You won't be gaining actual muscle mass until you're in a cal surplus. If you try to increase strength TOO much you're taking strength gains off the table for later when it'll actually count for something. Strength gains aren't infinite. They key when in a deficit is to maintain muscle not try to increase it which won't happen in any measureable amounts not to mention the added recovery time when putting out more effort than necessary.
Everything you do in the gym has a cost, but not everything necessarily has a benefit.
My questions to that person would be how long is the recovery time to fully repair a muscle. Weight training is you tear you muscles then your diet protein repairs a newer bigger muscle. The one benefit of steroids is the recovery time to fully repair muscles is so quick that you are able to bench heavy every single day.0 -
Also there is such a battle on when losing weight should you only do cardio, weight training, or both. I have done counts of research on this. Muscles burns more calories than fat. A lot of people only do cardio. I also am one of these people where I did elliptical 6 days a week for 60 minute every session. Yes I lost weight. Yes I lost fat. When I looked at myself in the mirror I saw no change like a smaller fatter me. Diet at the time was wreck. I fell into the eat less workout more. AT like the less time weeks I increased my cardio to 75 min sessions six days a week to be able to see scale weight lost. I got down to size 36 pants weighting at 205. Right now I weight 227 and my pant size is 36.0
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Yes lifting heavy and eating enough protein helps retain muscle mass while losing fat. That's what most people on these forums recommend. Still not seeing any indication of your method being able to give you a significant -muscle- GAIN while losing fat.0
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Yes lifting heavy and eating enough protein helps retain muscle mass while losing fat. That's what most people on these forums recommend. Still not seeing any indication of your method being able to give you a significant -muscle- GAIN while losing fat.
Ok next week I will do what is called a evaluation week. One rep max on every single muscle because I simply just do not. Two months I will do the same evaluation week and I know I will see gains and be losing fat.0 -
While you do that, I'll call the scientists to stop looking for the next big breakthrough because we got it right here.
And again: your strength gains don't imply muscle hypertrophy. This evaluation won't tell us anything. I went from 6kg dumbell curls (4x7reps) to 14kg in ~6 months. I'm on a deficit every day. Please explain my strength gain from your point of view.
You are on a diet where you basically eat maintenance 5 days and cut 2 days. Your body doesn't have a calendar though. It will not easily switch between 'calorie surplus muscle building' and 'calorie deficit fat loss', especially not on a day by day basis. That's why most people prefer longer cut / bulk cycles, it is way more efficient.0 -
Yes lifting heavy and eating enough protein helps retain muscle mass while losing fat. That's what most people on these forums recommend. Still not seeing any indication of your method being able to give you a significant -muscle- GAIN while losing fat.
Ok next week I will do what is called a evaluation week. One rep max on every single muscle because I simply just do not. Two months I will do the same evaluation week and I know I will see gains and be losing fat.
That is not an indication of muscle gains...
That indicates strength gains...I have had great strength gains but no muscle gains...0 -
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Do wut werks for you brah0
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Yes lifting heavy and eating enough protein helps retain muscle mass while losing fat. That's what most people on these forums recommend. Still not seeing any indication of your method being able to give you a significant -muscle- GAIN while losing fat.
Ok next week I will do what is called a evaluation week. One rep max on every single muscle because I simply just do not. Two months I will do the same evaluation week and I know I will see gains and be losing fat.
That is not an indication of muscle gains...
That indicates strength gains...I have had great strength gains but no muscle gains...
lift for muscular strength. high weight low reps of how people grow in muscles mass. People already think I look muscular when in my eyes I am weak as anything.0 -
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I guarantee people facial expressions after my complete transformation will be jaw dropping follow by how you finally do it.0
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Yes lifting heavy and eating enough protein helps retain muscle mass while losing fat. That's what most people on these forums recommend. Still not seeing any indication of your method being able to give you a significant -muscle- GAIN while losing fat.
Ok next week I will do what is called a evaluation week. One rep max on every single muscle because I simply just do not. Two months I will do the same evaluation week and I know I will see gains and be losing fat.
That is not an indication of muscle gains...
That indicates strength gains...I have had great strength gains but no muscle gains...
lift for muscular strength. high weight low reps of how people grow in muscles mass. People already think I look muscular when in my eyes I am weak as anything.
what?
Yes you lift for stength gains...which is high weight low rep....such as SL 5x5
to build mass you eat a calorie surplus and 8-12 reps...0 -
Yes lifting heavy and eating enough protein helps retain muscle mass while losing fat. That's what most people on these forums recommend. Still not seeing any indication of your method being able to give you a significant -muscle- GAIN while losing fat.
Ok next week I will do what is called a evaluation week. One rep max on every single muscle because I simply just do not. Two months I will do the same evaluation week and I know I will see gains and be losing fat.
That is not an indication of muscle gains...
That indicates strength gains...I have had great strength gains but no muscle gains...
lift for muscular strength. high weight low reps of how people grow in muscles mass. People already think I look muscular when in my eyes I am weak as anything.
what?
Yes you lift for stength gains...which is high weight low rep....such as SL 5x5
to build mass you eat a calorie surplus and 8-12 reps...
calorie surplus is correct. 8-12 reps is getting to muscular endurance. Not quite mass. 5x5 is decent but like 5x3x1 will build more size and mass.0 -
im gonna have to agree with sezxystef, 8-12 is widely the accepted range to induce muscle hypertophyYes lifting heavy and eating enough protein helps retain muscle mass while losing fat. That's what most people on these forums recommend. Still not seeing any indication of your method being able to give you a significant -muscle- GAIN while losing fat.
Ok next week I will do what is called a evaluation week. One rep max on every single muscle because I simply just do not. Two months I will do the same evaluation week and I know I will see gains and be losing fat.
That is not an indication of muscle gains...
That indicates strength gains...I have had great strength gains but no muscle gains...
lift for muscular strength. high weight low reps of how people grow in muscles mass. People already think I look muscular when in my eyes I am weak as anything.
what?
Yes you lift for stength gains...which is high weight low rep....such as SL 5x5
to build mass you eat a calorie surplus and 8-12 reps...
calorie surplus is correct. 8-12 reps is getting to muscular endurance. Not quite mass. 5x5 is decent but like 5x3x1 will build more size and mass.0
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